Long Shot Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 This football club is no longer my football club. It is being run both on and off the pitch by a man who only cares about his ego and I cannot support that. If Saints win it will be the team he picked and that goes against all the principles I used to hold dear in football. I had a long chat last night with someone very well-placed to gauge just how serious a position this club is in. Unless Wilde, Askham, Cowen or the other Lowe backers wake up to the damage their leader is doing to the club and "pull the plug" at the next AGM we will go into administration. When that happens Lowe will 100% blame the stay away fans and more than likely move to pick up the remnants for a comparative pittance. He has no feelings towards this club and certainly blames everyone else for our current position. I really don't think many on here truly appreciate what is going on right now, some even still support Lowe while others think after he has gone there will still be a Southampton FC. So the only way to save our club is to get the fans and the shareholders to rebel and sadly the only thing that guarantees that is when the team fail badly (remember Branfoot). A loss v Wolves will increase the lilihood of that and so sadly for the first time in nearly half a century of undying loyalty I am hoping for a home defeat. I am sure you will all want to have a pop and some will tell me to eff off and find another club etc etc etc but I just ask you to have a good hard look at what is going on at the club and then ask yourself if you are truly happy. I am not saying it should be taken out on the players or even the manager, it is not their fault but pressure must be put on the man who takes all the major decisions. If he stays we are finished, it is as simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 After listening to Radio Hampshire last night when duncan phoned in, I wholeheartedly agree with you Longshot!!! This is a crisis that we may never recover from if we don't act now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 Sorry mate, we don't want Lowe at the club, but NO explanation and NO excuse can justify ANY fan posting that they want us to lose a football match. You have build up a fair amount of respect on here and you lost that in one moment of insanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 If i'm honest i hope we lose too. I know it's wrong to hope your own team loses but i think (rightly or wrongly) it'd be for the best as it'd turn the screw on Lowe and Wilde. I reckon Wolves will thrash us anyway - 5-0 or 6-0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 I want Lowe and his hangers on gone from the club ASAP but still want to see them win on a Saturday afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 I can't really see what good it will do us to lose. Lowe and Wilde aren't going anywhere, especially not at the AGM. Why would they stand down, and who would take over? Having said that, I don't have to wish they lose, they'll do it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fos1 Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 Cowans, Withers, Askham, Thomson friendship does not come into this now this is about saving our football, not looking after your friend Lowe, you have to for once in your lives think of the football club. To unite this club, to get us out of this mess Lowe has to be removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 What has me very concerned is the fact that Mr lowe still has to rely on others to keep him in power. However if Saints go into admin I worry that Mr Lowe will buy full power cheaply and so will no longer need any other shareholders to support him, he will go from 6% to 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 I want Lowe and his hangers on gone from the club ASAP but still want to see them win on a Saturday afternoon. I have to agree. I can understand Long Shot's position, but I can't bring myself to wish defeat on my team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 Do shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 This football club is no longer my football club. It is being run both on and off the pitch by a man who only cares about his ego and I cannot support that. If Saints win it will be the team he picked and that goes against all the principles I used to hold dear in football. I had a long chat last night with someone very well-placed to gauge just how serious a position this club is in. Unless Wilde, Askham, Cowen or the other Lowe backers wake up to the damage their leader is doing to the club and "pull the plug" at the next AGM we will go into administration. When that happens Lowe will 100% blame the stay away fans and more than likely move to pick up the remnants for a comparative pittance. He has no feelings towards this club and certainly blames everyone else for our current position. I really don't think many on here truly appreciate what is going on right now, some even still support Lowe while others think after he has gone there will still be a Southampton FC. So the only way to save our club is to get the fans and the shareholders to rebel and sadly the only thing that guarantees that is when the team fail badly (remember Branfoot). A loss v Wolves will increase the lilihood of that and so sadly for the first time in nearly half a century of undying loyalty I am hoping for a home defeat. I am sure you will all want to have a pop and some will tell me to eff off and find another club etc etc etc but I just ask you to have a good hard look at what is going on at the club and then ask yourself if you are truly happy. I am not saying it should be taken out on the players or even the manager, it is not their fault but pressure must be put on the man who takes all the major decisions. If he stays we are finished, it is as simple as that. It's a pretty sorry state of affairs when genuine Saints fans start to feel like this , and a damning indictment to those who're responsible for our much loved club's decline . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 After listening to Radio Hampshire last night when duncan phoned in, I wholeheartedly agree with you Longshot!!! This is a crisis that we may never recover from if we don't act now! What did Duncan say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 What has me very concerned is the fact that Mr lowe still has to rely on others to keep him in power. However if Saints go into admin I worry that Mr Lowe will buy full power cheaply and so will no longer need any other shareholders to support him, he will go from 6% to 100% He would be swinging from the Itchen Bridge if that happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 This football club is no longer my football club. eff off and find another club ask yourself if you are truly happy. After your opening statement you should take your own advice further down. Who the fu ck, if sane, could be happy at the minute, never, NEVER have I wanted my team to lose a match, its almost sacrilege to do so. So you hope we get spanked then expect a statement on Monday announcing a regime change ??? a change to bring about what ??? I want us to win tomorrow, something that could bring about a positive change, in attitude and attendance for the next home game and with every win there after the numbers rise thus staveing off administration which truly would be a disaster for my club. Be careful what you wish for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 i never want saints to lose so i will support my team again,the politics can be played out behind the scenes and will resolve itself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 You no longer support the team. This a saints fans forum. Why are u posting on here? Lowe may not be right for the club but at least he wants them to win. You pich a club for life so choose wisely is what i told my boy. Call urself a football fan. Shame on u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 This football club is no longer my football club. It is being run both on and off the pitch by a man who only cares about his ego and I cannot support that. If Saints win it will be the team he picked and that goes against all the principles I used to hold dear in football. I had a long chat last night with someone very well-placed to gauge just how serious a position this club is in. Unless Wilde, Askham, Cowen or the other Lowe backers wake up to the damage their leader is doing to the club and "pull the plug" at the next AGM we will go into administration. When that happens Lowe will 100% blame the stay away fans and more than likely move to pick up the remnants for a comparative pittance. He has no feelings towards this club and certainly blames everyone else for our current position. I really don't think many on here truly appreciate what is going on right now, some even still support Lowe while others think after he has gone there will still be a Southampton FC. So the only way to save our club is to get the fans and the shareholders to rebel and sadly the only thing that guarantees that is when the team fail badly (remember Branfoot). A loss v Wolves will increase the lilihood of that and so sadly for the first time in nearly half a century of undying loyalty I am hoping for a home defeat. I am sure you will all want to have a pop and some will tell me to eff off and find another club etc etc etc but I just ask you to have a good hard look at what is going on at the club and then ask yourself if you are truly happy. I am not saying it should be taken out on the players or even the manager, it is not their fault but pressure must be put on the man who takes all the major decisions. If he stays we are finished, it is as simple as that. The stay away fans are as bad as Lowe IMO. neither will admit they share some the blame of what is happening at our club. When its dead you both will point fingers and say I told you so. Congrats bud. I hope you will be pleased with your self. And for the record I dont think losing on saturday will make the blindest bit of difference as we are playing a team that is top of the league and doing very well so there probably isnt many at the club that realisticly expect us to get points out of it. The plan will be set to get more points than 3 other teams and it will also be set on who we need to beat to get enough points. Achieve that and the people in charge will have succeeded for this season. anything more will be a bonus and talked up on the OS. anything less will be failure and administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mprobert Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 C o y r !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Shot Posted 14 November, 2008 Author Share Posted 14 November, 2008 (edited) Sorry mate, we don't want Lowe at the club, but NO explanation and NO excuse can justify ANY fan posting that they want us to lose a football match. You have build up a fair amount of respect on here and you lost that in one moment of insanity. Phil speaking to someone who I respect - it is that desperate. A win tomorrow only perpertrates the problem - it is one result in 123 years, a drop in the ocean. We are weeks away from armigeddon. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Posts like the ones of Scotty Dogs further up just show how people are happy to stick their heads in the sand and hope this is just a horrible dream. It's not and we have got to face reality before it is too late. For too long too many people have turned a blind eye to what is going on off the pitch, often preferring to shoot the messenger. Well, soon there won't be a pitch. Where will fans turn then? Perhaps I will keep this thread and then send it to all those who have mocked or insulted it when they find they no longer have a club to support. Saints winning tomorrow will not solve our problems, it will be mere wallpaper over a widening chasm, the fans have got to look past the results but sadly I am losing the faith when I see a serious thread that comes from the heart being treated with disdain. (Not you mate but the likes of Scotty Dog - says it all really.) Edited 14 November, 2008 by Long Shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 although i dont agree, i can see where LS is coming from...a win tomorrow would fuel stupid comments like jan is getting it right and watch the OS go into meltdown on how there is a buzz at the training ground...then Jan will make 4-5 unforced changes again and we will lose again...and prove that w win against wolves was a freak result and not the start of something.. in a few words...I dont really care if we win or not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 i never want saints to lose so i will support my team again,the politics can be played out behind the scenes and will resolve itself To be fair there is no point in burying our heads in the sand and what goes on behind the scene does concern us a little but it shouldnt as much as it does. years ago most fans wouldnt have had a clue who the chairman was at there own club yet now we can name the chairmen of most clubs in the Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 To be fair there is no point in burying our heads in the sand and what goes on behind the scene does concern us a little but it shouldnt as much as it does. years ago most fans wouldnt have had a clue who the chairman was at there own club yet now we can name the chairmen of most clubs in the Prem. but this is not years ago..football has and will change.. years ago a second division team would/could have england players playing for them and/or win the FA cup.... this is the here and now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fos1 Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 Do shut up. Shut up and our club will die, I do not think you realise how close we are to going under something has to be done and quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 (edited) Sorry mate, we don't want Lowe at the club, but NO explanation and NO excuse can justify ANY fan posting that they want us to lose a football match. Phil - I respectfully disagree (at a general principle level) Take away the irrational emotions that many people who enjoy watching a game of football exhibit (and I'm not saying that that emotion is a bad thing, it just interferes with rational thought) and what Long Shot says is a perfectly understandable viewpoint. Analogy alert... Burning back old vegetation allows new shoots to grow. Amputating an injured leg can save the life of the patient. England not qualifying for Euro2008 gets rid of Steve McClaren. Long Shot makes a valid point whether people agree with him or not. (and I'm not declaring here whether I agree with him myself...just respecting his opinion) Edited 14 November, 2008 by trousers Long Shot - sorry for calling you a 'him' if you're a 'her'!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 when I see a serious thread that comes from the heart being treated with disdain. My problem is that I do not believe it comes from the heart, if I have shown contempt then it is because I believe you have an ulterior motive. You joined the forum August 2008, in another thread you suggested you did not want to be percieved as LLS or St David both disappeared from the forum long before your arrival, doesn't stack up to me and believe you are on here to make mischief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 (edited) ........................ Edited 7 December, 2008 by Viking Warrior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 PS Im with Dubai Phil on the matter of wanting our team to lose That is a definate no no for me Devil's advocate question coming up.... Were you happy that Steve McClaren lost the England manager's job? (I'm assuming you're also an England fan here...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 I see were your coming from but i want our team to win tomorrow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hacienda Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 We are going to go under regardless. Lowe thought we happily trot along to SMS and keep the money rolling in, he was wrong. He's slashed back as much as he can and taken the cheap option every time and all he has left is the players. If he sells our best players it leads to us going down, if he doesn't we go bust. He's f u c ked it up royally and our club will be playing L1 football next season and may never recover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 What did Duncan say? +1 Anyone got a transcript that we can all argue over?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 I see were your coming from but i want our team to win tomorrow... But, IF what Long Shot says is correct then you are advocating the demise of SFC.... All a bit paradoxical IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 but this is not years ago..football has and will change.. years ago a second division team would/could have england players playing for them and/or win the FA cup.... this is the here and now exactly which is why i said we shouldnt bury our heads in the sand. its not like years ago where the board were invisible and just results matter. today clubs are more transparent so we see more from top to bottom and we need to be happy about the whole package. I dont think we should be involved as much as we are but i do think we should be involved. I can understand Long Shots frustration but coming on here a day before we play 1 of the best form teams in the league hoping they beat us to get some kind of reaction seems a bit silly to me. If we get points out of this game I will be amazed and have a smile on my face from ear to ear until we next get beaten. In much the same way as I used to when we beat Man U. Back then I knew we were crap, i knew we were in a relegation fight before the season kicked off and I knew that we would pull out some surprises along the way. we are in the same situation now but on a lower scale and with less money. To me its a time when Saints fans should be at there strongest. but we have fans turning against the club they claim to support. sad really isnt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 Sorry mate, we don't want Lowe at the club, but NO explanation and NO excuse can justify ANY fan posting that they want us to lose a football match. You have build up a fair amount of respect on here and you lost that in one moment of insanity. agree. Forum for saints fans. Saints fans will never support the other team. You are not supporting saints and therefore place my interest in your opinions on here together with likes of mack rill and the skates. Support saints tomorrow and always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 This sort of thread is not helping the situation. Fortunately we are in a free society and anybody can buy shares in the club. The fact is Lowe and Wilde hold most shares so they run the club that is the way it is. Boycotting the club will achieve little as no one will want to buy shares to oust Lowe and Wilde. The better the club does there is more chance somebody will buy into it. Hating Lowe is really hurting the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 Devil's advocate question coming up.... Were you happy that Steve McClaren lost the England manager's job? (I'm assuming you're also an England fan here...) I wasnt. I wanted Steve McClaren to do well. I didnt think he was either good enough or the right choice but I never wanted him to fail.I support England and want them to succeed. I would prefer the managment to be english when doing so but will support them all the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hacienda Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 Lowe is really hurting the club I've corrected it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 We are going to go under regardless. Lowe thought we happily trot along to SMS and keep the money rolling in, he was wrong. He's slashed back as much as he can and taken the cheap option every time and all he has left is the players. If he sells our best players it leads to us going down, if he doesn't we go bust. He's f u c ked it up royally and our club will be playing L1 football next season and may never recover. So you saying that he made the wrong cut backs? maybe he should have sold the players 1st and kept the corners open? maybe he should have just ignored the banks and went further into debt? I can see how his thought process was so wrong and how the rest of the board had no part making these decissions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labibs Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 What will losing tmw accomplish, apart from pushing us closer to relegation? Even if we were bottom and adrift at Christmas, what can change about our situation? Is there anyone waiting to take us over? Is there another manager (who would realistically take the job) who could do a substantially better job than Jan, given that they would have no money to spend and would have to play with exactly the same squad? I hate the current situation at Saints, have no love for Lowe and lament some of Jan's crazy team selections at times, but until someone can give me a viable and realistic alternative for the running of the club and the team, I will continue to give the team my full support You will likely get your wish though I can see us get a tonking tmw. Kightley up against Lloyd James at RB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 I wasnt. I wanted Steve McClaren to do well. I didnt think he was either good enough or the right choice but I never wanted him to fail.I support England and want them to succeed. I would prefer the managment to be english when doing so but will support them all the same. Yes, of course we all want the incumbent management to do well but it was widely recognised that Steve McClaren was doing more harm than good but, like it or not, it usually takes a failure to inject new impetus into a situation - that's just a fact of life. If England go on to win the World Cup in 2010 you will be able to trace the seeds of that triumph to Steve McClaren losing against Croatia in November 2007. It's a head and heart situation. Of course noone wants their team to lose in their heart of hearts but sometimes the head is wiser than the heart. Take away human emotion and the logic is sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 I can understand Long Shots depression but I want my team to win whatever the situation in the boardroom or changing room. Our problem is that we are playing too many inexperienced players but despite that we are still in the financial mire. For that reason alone I think Lowe has failed. Why have the accounts not been produced? Well for the Auditors to sign them off you need to be a going concern and have a working capital. Is that the reason for the delay? We all know the figures. They were disclosed in July so the loss of £6m is not the reason. How can the issue be addressed? Well Lowe will not go. His supporters will not desert him. So does Wilde holds the key? It is known he is worried about matters. He seems to spend very little time at the club. Who is controlling this club? Lowe is only around for 2 days a week. Will Wilde sell his 15%? It is very unlikely he will sell to Crouch or any of his known supporters or sympathisors. So we need a benefactor out there who can buy Mike out and make a difference. AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM. I think we are stuck with Lowe. I will continue to support the team. I cannot support Lowe or Wilde at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 I'd rather Lowe be no where near this club like most others, but seriously what is the alternative ???? There is no rich sugar Daddy waiting in the wings. This board is full up with 'Lowe out' threads but do you honestly think everything will turn rosy should he walk out the door ? Dont kid yourselves that the missing 15k would resurface & grace themselves at St Mary's...there is a recession on - people have more important things to spend their money on. Yes I can see it getting worse...players will inevitabally be sold in January & I can honestly see us in Div 1 next year but unless Paul Allen comes aknocking what can we do ? I will continue to support SFC & will be longing for a win tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hacienda Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 So you saying that he made the wrong cut backs? maybe he should have sold the players 1st and kept the corners open? maybe he should have just ignored the banks and went further into debt? I can see how his thought process was so wrong and how the rest of the board had no part making these decissions. As you are obviously simple minded I'll explain it in simple terms. Lowe gambled on loyalty. He lost. Lowe gambled on cheap youngsters. He lost. The result of losing both gambles will be administration and relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 I will continue to support the team. I cannot support Lowe or Wilde at this time. And therein lies the paradox.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hacienda Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 I'd rather Lowe be no where near this club like most others, but seriously what is the alternative ???? Anything will be too little too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 Yes, of course we all want the incumbent management to do well but it was widely recognised that Steve McClaren was doing more harm than good but, like it or not, it usually takes a failure to inject new impetus into a situation - that's just a fact of life. If England go on to win the World Cup in 2010 you will be able to trace the seeds of that triumph to Steve McClaren losing against Croatia in November 2007. It's a head and heart situation. Of course noone wants their team to lose in their heart of hearts but sometimes the head is wiser than the heart. Take away human emotion and the logic is sound. But while he still had the job I still wanted him to succeed. when he didnt it was right to make the change and the FA made that change. Club managment is a little more tricky as the time frames to choose someone and the ability to gather a decent squad are not the same as a national team but there are still similaritys. If England had won against croatia and made it into the Euros would we have supported England in every game and hope they got things right or hoped they lost so Mcclaren would get the boot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CabbageFace Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 You want us too lose so you have something to moan about in your pathetic exsitence. Saints dont need fans like you, glory hunters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 I can't get myself to want the team to lose in order to get rid of Lowe and Co. But the way to get shot of the charlatans would be for the team to play Wolves in front of an empty stadium and no reason for not wanting Saints to beat them either. I accept Dubai-Phil's opinion on another thread that it would be better to have an in stadium protest such as holding up red cards, turning our backs on the board, etc, but personally I believe that the mass boycott for just one match, if really well observed, would force the board's resignation within days. If it didn't, then it would be repeated. Even if Lowe was stubborn his cohorts would probably see sense and force him to go by withdrawing their support. The protest would be on the understanding that the board was to be replaced by independent executive directors who were able and well respected rather than the major shareholders. Immediately the current board was deposed unity could be restored and a rallying cry issued for the fans to return to save the club. Nobody in charge at the moment has the moral authority to issue such a call. I liken this scenario to Trousers analogy of cutting off the gangrenous leg to save the life of the patient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 But while he still had the job I still wanted him to succeed. when he didnt it was right to make the change and the FA made that change. Club managment is a little more tricky as the time frames to choose someone and the ability to gather a decent squad are not the same as a national team but there are still similaritys. If England had won against croatia and made it into the Euros would we have supported England in every game and hope they got things right or hoped they lost so Mcclaren would get the boot? No, I'd have wanted them to win.... Hypocritical? Perhaps. It's a paradox whichever way one looks at it but it doesn't mean Long Shot's viewpoint is wrong. It's just a different opinion. Doesn't make 'him' or anyone else a 'bad' fan if they genuinely believe it will help the club in the long run.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 Long shot, if things are as bad as you portray them to be then why is Michael Wilde letting it happen ? Surely he would have acted by now ? As for wanting us to lose. NO WAY, a good run of results and a chance of sniffing around the tails of the top six and all will be forgotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 I've corrected it for you. Another Mindless Anti Lowe Rant Try and be constructive and say why the Anti Lowe Hatred is not harming the club. If we only have a limited budget for Players wages we can only pay for young and relatively inexperienced players. If we were not in debt we would not have this problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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