Transfers-In; How succesful?

[Professor]

Since Jan 2012, by which time promotion to The Prem was looking probable, Transfers-in have included:-

Tadanari Lee

Maya Yoshida

Nathan Clyne

Steven Davis

Jay Rodriguez

Gaston Ramirez

Paulo Gazziniga

Emmanuel Mayuka

Artur Boruk

Vegard Forren

 

Of those 10, Boruk, Yoshida and Clyne are regular first choice players. Rodriguez is moving towards regular selection, while Davis and Ramirez seem to be in and out. That leaves three not being picked and Lee out of the club, initially on loan. Two of our recent opponents, QPR and Newcastle appear to have achieved more with their inward transfers. Is SFC's recruitment team performing well enough?

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Since Jan 2012, by which time promotion to The Prem was looking probable, Transfers-in have included:-

Tadanari Lee

Maya Yoshida

Nathan Clyne

Steven Davis

Jay Rodriguez

Gaston Ramirez

Paulo Gazziniga

Emmanuel Mayuka

Artur Boruk

Vegard Forren

 

Of those 10, Boruk, Yoshida and Clyne are regular first choice players. Rodriguez is moving towards regular selection, while Davis and Ramirez seem to be in and out. That leaves three not being picked and Lee out of the club, initially on loan. Two of our recent opponents, QPR and Newcastle appear to have achieved more with their inward transfers. Is SFC's recruitment team performing well enough?

 

Another thread on this necessary?

 

Besides, you also haven't mentioned Billy Sharp.

[Suhari]

Overall our recruitment is poor.

 

You can make a case that Lee was a decent signing, that hasn't worked out after injury. Clyne is decent, ditto Maya, Boruk and Davis. Gaston will come good, but hoped for more given the price tag.

 

The rest....hmmm. Not convinced by J-Rod: why did we spend that much on him? Paulo - why? Mayuka and Forren - strange buys.

 

Some knee-jerk signings; it doesn't feel like we actually have a plan. Wonder what the summer will bring.

[Saint Garrett]

Lee - sh!t

Maya - Bargain

Clyne - Bargain

Davis - Bargain

J-Rod - A bit over priced but looks very promising

Gaston - Overpriced but glimpses of class - Next season will be huge for him

Gazza - promising and very young but not convincing. Needs to put some work in and maybe next season on loan

Mayuka - Looked lively when I've seen him but pretty much a waste of 4m as hes not played

Boruc - Class

Forren - Very odd signing.

[warsash saint]

How can anyone pass judgement on Forren when the guy has been injured has yet to play?? Bizarre

[Village Saint]

Since Jan 2012, by which time promotion to The Prem was looking probable, Transfers-in have included:-

Tadanari Lee

Maya Yoshida

Nathan Clyne

Steven Davis

Jay Rodriguez

Gaston Ramirez

Paulo Gazziniga

Emmanuel Mayuka

Artur Boruk

Vegard Forren

 

Of those 10, Boruk, Yoshida and Clyne are regular first choice players. Rodriguez is moving towards regular selection, while Davis and Ramirez seem to be in and out. That leaves three not being picked and Lee out of the club, initially on loan. Two of our recent opponents, QPR and Newcastle appear to have achieved more with their inward transfers. Is SFC's recruitment team performing well enough?

 

All in their ways have been successful except for Forren and Mayuka but as these are longer term signings it will take time to be sure. The suggestion that QPR have done better is laughable. They have signed nearly 20 players on huge wages; only a handful are even in their first team squad and (in case you hadn't noticed) they are bottom of the league!

[ToreSF]

How can anyone pass judgement on Forren when the guy has been injured has yet to play?? Bizarre

 

Hasn't been injured, but has lacked match fitness. He's been here for two months now, and have only been in the squad once, so doesn't seem like money well spent. Yet.

[Saint Troy]

It would be interesting to see how other teams signings have got on too, whilst we want every signing to come off they won't and that's the same nationwide. To say our transfer team is under performing has to consider other similar clubs performance as a standard too really.

 

Some things can't be accounted for also, a player signed in jan has to be good enough for the prem if promoted but want to stay if not promoted which is really hard. Lee could be a hero for us know at the top of the champ in another world that saw west ham not bottle automatic promotion!

[Saint_clark]

We've been promoted twice and have a very good chance of staying up this season (it's in our own hands, despite the drama on this forum). So all in all I'd say the recruitment department has done it's job so far.

[Barry Sanchez]

Rodriguez - Overpriced, overhyped and over here.

Lee - we all can agree has been ****.

Ramirez - Luxury buy from Cortese and one we did not need as if we were not going to buy other better players we were always going to struggle, we do not need showponies with the stamina of an 80 year man.

Forren - Again waste of time.

Mayuka - Must be **** as he has not broken through.

Yoshida - Average but a 1st choice premierleague defender.

Gazzaniga - Poor should of gone for Butland and another exoerienced keeper like Robnson or Green at the same time.

Boruc - Better than I imagined but still a timebomb.

Clyne - Good but needs competition.

Davis - Good , a player who does nothing fancy but knows his limitations as does a job well.

 

 

In short our transfers have been **** and upon the ego of Cortese or the whim of Reed and Adkins, the lack of quality cost cost us and then we would have to sell of all our crown jewels in the championship, not part of the 5 year plan and we would then be behind schedule for a championsleague place................

Edited 6 March, 2013 by Barry Sanchez

[StrangelyBrown]

I'd say successful.

 

Given that we were one of the favorites for relegation at the start of the season we can't have been a very enticing prospect no matter how lofty our ambitions are. We quite have avoided spunking ridiculous amounts of money on overpaid journeymen (i.e. the QPR recruitment model). Instead, we seem to have concentrated on recruiting young players with potential. As far as I'm concerned the verdict is still out on a number of them; Mayuka and Vorren clearly don't quite fit into our first team yet, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they won't in time. Both have come from inferior leagues and it may just take time for them to adjust to the quality, physicality and pace of the premier league.

 

Having said all that I cant believe we didn't sign a left-back. Danny Fox was clearly playing at his level in the championship and relying on a 17 year old academy graduate (no matter how good he is) for a whole season seems to be a bit naive. If we stay up, I will expect us to do a bit better in the transfer market as we will be an "established" premier league team.

[Barry Sanchez]

I'd say successful.

 

Given that we were one of the favorites for relegation at the start of the season we can't have been a very enticing prospect no matter how lofty our ambitions are. We quite have avoided spunking ridiculous amounts of money on overpaid journeymen (i.e. the QPR recruitment model). Instead, we seem to have concentrated on recruiting young players with potential. As far as I'm concerned the verdict is still out on a number of them; Mayuka and Vorren clearly don't quite fit into our first team yet, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they won't in time. Both have come from inferior leagues and it may just take time for them to adjust to the quality, physicality and pace of the premier league.

 

Having said all that I cant believe we didn't sign a left-back. Danny Fox was clearly playing at his level in the championship and relying on a 17 year old academy graduate (no matter how good he is) for a whole season seems to be a bit naive. If we stay up, I will expect us to do a bit better in the transfer market as we will be an "established" premier league team.

 

So whats the point of signing players for millions playing them as they are not good enough to be in a relegation struggle? Why sign them at all or why simply not sign better players?

[StrangelyBrown]

So whats the point of signing players for millions playing them as they are not good enough to be in a relegation struggle? Why sign them at all or why simply not sign better players?

 

Are you saying that we can simply just sign better players? My assertion is that it isn't that simple and that better players wouldn't want to join a team that are highly likely to be involved in a relegation struggle. If I was a player capable of playing in a mid-table premier league team I wouldn't join a team that has only just come up who are fighting a relegation battle. I'd also choose a side like Newcastle that have been higher up in the league in recent times in preference to us. I don't think any of the sides around us in the table have signed better players than us with the exception of Newcastle, who you could argue are performing well below their capability.

[Andre]

Lee - pointless

Yoshida - brilliant, necessary

Clyne - good, necessary

Davis - good, cheap

Rodriguez - brilliant, necessary

Ramirez - okay, but expensive

Gazzaniga - one for the future, but expensive

Mayuka - seemingly pointless, maybe future

Boruc - brilliant, bargain

Forren - pointless so far

 

So pretty good overall, I think.

[Mowgli]

Tadanari Lee Ranking #9 - good up to the injury

Maya Yoshida Ranking #4 - Has adapted well and is now a solid defender.

Nathan Clyne Ranking #3 - Future England International. Very solid

Steven Davis Ranking #5 - For experience, good impact player when we need to see a game out

Jay Rodriguez Ranking #1 - Gets better and better

Gaston Ramirez # Ranking 6 - will eventually be our best ever player (incl. MLT) but taking time to adapt to PL

Paulo Gazziniga # Ranking 7 - Very skilful - needs time to develop

Emmanuel Mayuka Ranking #11 - Clearly talented but yet to deliver

Artur Boruk # Ranking 8 - complete nutter. Love him!

Vegard Forren Ranking #10 - who knows?

Billy Sharp Ranking #2 - got us over the line which was why he was bought

 

Good business overall.

[Barry the Badger]

I remember a player we signed called Peter Crouch that nobody wanted, couldn't get into the team, was clearly crap. Eventually he got his break when a new manager gave him a chance.

 

Whatever happened to him?

[Lallana's Left Peg]

There are only a few players on that list who were original targets. Many were backups way down the list and purchased because they were still better than what we had and we couldn't afford to stand still. But that is how it works in football - you rarely get your primary targets the vast majority of the time.

[Tamesaint]

The OP has unfiortunately spoilt what was essentially a reasonable post (not good, just reasonable) by saying that our recruitment policy is worse that QPR's.

 

I suggest that they review Mark Hughes's and Saggy's signings over the comparable period and then try to say that QPR's recruitment policy is better than ours without bursting into laughter.

[Barry Sanchez]

Are you saying that we can simply just sign better players? My assertion is that it isn't that simple and that better players wouldn't want to join a team that are highly likely to be involved in a relegation struggle. If I was a player capable of playing in a mid-table premier league team I wouldn't join a team that has only just come up who are fighting a relegation battle. I'd also choose a side like Newcastle that have been higher up in the league in recent times in preference to us. I don't think any of the sides around us in the table have signed better players than us with the exception of Newcastle, who you could argue are performing well below their capability.

 

Swanswea and West Brom spring to mind, we could compete with those wages, why would Chris Samba go to QPR? Money of course you have to pay it to get good players end of.

[Barry Sanchez]

I remember a player we signed called Peter Crouch that nobody wanted, couldn't get into the team, was clearly crap. Eventually he got his break when a new manager gave him a chance.

 

Whatever happened to him?

 

He went onto become back up at Liverpool, Spurs and Stoke..............

[KelvinsRightGlove]

He went onto become back up at Liverpool, Spurs and Stoke..............

 

And got 42 England Caps, scoring 22 goals, as well as playing in the Champions League for both Spurs & Liverpool.

[Andre]

Tadanari Lee Ranking #9 - good up to the injury

Maya Yoshida Ranking #4 - Has adapted well and is now a solid defender.

Nathan Clyne Ranking #3 - Future England International. Very solid

Steven Davis Ranking #5 - For experience, good impact player when we need to see a game out

Jay Rodriguez Ranking #1 - Gets better and better

Gaston Ramirez # Ranking 6 - will eventually be our best ever player (incl. MLT) but taking time to adapt to PL

Paulo Gazziniga # Ranking 7 - Very skilful - needs time to develop

Emmanuel Mayuka Ranking #11 - Clearly talented but yet to deliver

Artur Boruk # Ranking 8 - complete nutter. Love him!

Vegard Forren Ranking #10 - who knows?

Billy Sharp Ranking #2 - got us over the line which was why he was bought

 

Good business overall.

 

You have got to be ****ing kidding me?!

[John B]

Tadanari Lee Ranking #9 - good up to the injury

Maya Yoshida Ranking #4 - Has adapted well and is now a solid defender.

Nathan Clyne Ranking #3 - Future England International. Very solid

Steven Davis Ranking #5 - For experience, good impact player when we need to see a game out

Jay Rodriguez Ranking #1 - Gets better and better

Gaston Ramirez # Ranking 6 - will eventually be our best ever player (incl. MLT) but taking time to adapt to PL

Paulo Gazziniga # Ranking 7 - Very skilful - needs time to develop

Emmanuel Mayuka Ranking #11 - Clearly talented but yet to deliver

Artur Boruk # Ranking 8 - complete nutter. Love him!

Vegard Forren Ranking #10 - who knows?

Billy Sharp Ranking #2 - got us over the line which was why he was bought

 

Good business overall.

 

Pretty poor business I would have thought not many are consistent enough for the PL

[Olallana]

The OP has unfiortunately spoilt what was essentially a reasonable post (not good, just reasonable) by saying that our recruitment policy is worse that QPR's.

 

I suggest that they review Mark Hughes's and Saggy's signings over the comparable period and then try to say that QPR's recruitment policy is better than ours without bursting into laughter.

 

Yeah, seems like all that matters is if the player gets into the team XI or not.

If so I think the Skates are pretty successful lately with their signings/loans....

[Saints foreva]

#1 - Billy Sharp, helped get us over the line last season, got two goals against the Skates. Gutted that he couldn't be an option from the bench this season but will always be thankful for his contributions to our promotion.

#2 - Nathaniel Clyne, looked poor at the start but formed a good partnership down the right hand side with Puncheon. Will only get better.

#3 - Maya Yoshida, looked like a panic buy at first but has been fantastic at times this season. Still prone to the odd mistake though.

#4 - Arthu Boruc, best keeper at the club but written off by most (including myself) after the Spurs game. We'd probably be about 4 points better off if we had stuck with him.

#5 - Steven Davis, been a good signing for £500,000. Experienced and has put in some good performances lately. Unlucky to get dropped, will hopefully be back in the side vs Norwich.

#6 - Jay Rodriguez, looked great since the turn of the year but before that seemed out of his depth. Never going to get to play in his preferred position while Lambert is fit and rightfully so.

#7 - Gaston Ramirez, doesn't look a £12m player and I think Cortese got well and truly done by the Bologna president. His fitness seems a massive issue, rarely does he finish games that he starts. He's been a massive disappointment so far.

#8 - Paulo Gazzaniga, still young but if we go down then I think we will remember his mistakes this season a little more clearly. Would liked to see him loaned out next season, to help his development.

#9 - Tadanari Lee, good work rate and did look OK last season up until injury. Great assist for Lambert's goal vs Leed and a screamer vs Derby. Had a feeling he wouldn't feature this season.

 

Not seen enough for Forren and Mayuka to make a judgement, but wish the money we spent on them went towards a monster of a CB.

[Mmm Donuts]

Not going to comment on them all, but fwiw I think Jay Rod is an excellent player. Compared to how much was spent on Ramirez, think he represents much better value at this stage.

[110_Persaint]

Put simply, had we only signed Billy, Clyne, Yoshi and Boruc from your list we would be in roughly the same position we are now, if not better, with proper team selection. We'd certainly not have fewer points. Boruc in goal for all games would of made up for the points lost from Ramirez's odd game where he decides to show up (something like 5 or 6 points).

 

Let's be honest the likes of Davis and Rodriguez have been okay but what has been their overall contribution in the big picture? That's right - f**k all.

 

So 4/9 players and roughly £6.3m/£28m out of our transfers prove 'successful.' A weighted average of ~33% success rate. Just shows how inept our transfer committee really is.

[Olallana]

Put simply, had we only signed Billy, Clyne, Yoshi and Boruc from your list we would be in roughly the same position we are now, if not better, with proper team selection. We'd certainly not have fewer points. Boruc in goal for all games would of made up for the points lost from Ramirez's odd game where he decides to show up (something like 5 or 6 points).

 

Let's be honest the likes of Davis and Rodriguez have been okay but what has been their overall contribution in the big picture? That's right - f**k all.

 

So 4/9 players and roughly £6.3m/£28m out of our transfers prove 'successful.' A weighted average of ~33% success rate. Just shows how inept our transfer committee really is.

 

 

Who was the manager behind the decision NOT to do that?

[110_Persaint]

Who was the manager behind the decision NOT to do that?

The same man who was NOT responsible for most of the transfers? Especially the biggest flop of all (Gaston)?

[Give it to Ron]

Rodriguez - Overpriced, overhyped and over here.

Lee - we all can agree has been ****.

Ramirez - Luxury buy from Cortese and one we did not need as if we were not going to buy other better players we were always going to struggle, we do not need showponies with the stamina of an 80 year man.

Forren - Again waste of time.

Mayuka - Must be **** as he has not broken through.

Yoshida - Average but a 1st choice premierleague defender.

Gazzaniga - Poor should of gone for Butland and another exoerienced keeper like Robnson or Green at the same time.

Boruc - Better than I imagined but still a timebomb.

Clyne - Good but needs competition.

Davis - Good , a player who does nothing fancy but knows his limitations as does a job well.

 

 

In short our transfers have been **** and upon the ego of Cortese or the whim of Reed and Adkins, the lack of quality cost cost us and then we would have to sell of all our crown jewels in the championship, not part of the 5 year plan and we would then be behind schedule for a championsleague place................

 

How many times have you seen Butland play? I have a few times now and he is worse than Gazza!

[KelvinsRightGlove]

The same man who was NOT responsible for most of the transfers? Especially the biggest flop of all (Gaston)?

 

Do you actually understand anything remotely related to football?

[Cabrone]

But Mayuka is the world's 85th best player according to http://www.SomeMadeUpShyte.com

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/datablog/2012/dec/24/world-best-footballers-top-100-list

 

I'd like to be able to see for myself some day.

[110_Persaint]

But Mayuka is the world's 85th best player according to http://www.SomeMadeUpShyte.com

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/datablog/2012/dec/24/world-best-footballers-top-100-list

 

I'd like to be able to see for myself some day.

I think they feel obligated to take at least one player from every country ranked in FIFA's top 100. Not hard to believe he's the greatest Zambian footballer currently around...

[Appy]

Am I the only one who really doesn't rate Yoshida?

[S-Clarke]

Am I the only one who really doesn't rate Yoshida?

 

Nope. Has got better, but still think we can do a hell of a lot better back there.

[Barry Sanchez]

Am I the only one who really doesn't rate Yoshida?

 

Our two only premiership defenders are young pups learning their trade.

[Olallana]

The same man who was NOT responsible for most of the transfers? Especially the biggest flop of all (Gaston)?

 

You said that we would have had more points with proper team selection, didn´t you?

Even if we bought 20 players manager still has the choice to play some of them or all of them.....

[Professor]

Am I the only one who really doesn't rate Yoshida?

I don't rate him, see him as error-prone and thought his signing was very strange at the time. Early in the summer, Adkins had said he wanted two Prem standard CBs after which nothing happened until after the season was underway when Yoshida was brought in at the last moment, and initailly played out of position. The second CB turned up in January after we stole a march on Liverpool and signed a player who may not even get a game for us this season, the way things are going. LIverpool must be finding it hard to get over that. We might have done better with Del Trotter buying our players, except he's probably working for West Ham.

[110_Persaint]

You said that we would have had more points with proper team selection, didn´t you?

Even if we bought 20 players manager still has the choice to play some of them or all of them.....

So the transfer committee is free to spend money on whoever and whomever it likes. If they turn out to be pants, it's the manager's fault for selecting them in the team? That's the right philosophy, the more money on the bench the better?

[Bearsy]

I wonder what transfer committees mandates was? It clearly weren't "buy players to hit ground running & keep us in league". Maybe it should have been, but I reckon it was something like "Invest in players who will be worth more than we paid in 3 years time or whatever."

[110_Persaint]

I wonder what transfer committees mandates was? It clearly weren't "buy players to hit ground running & keep us in league". Maybe it should have been, but I reckon it was something like "Invest in players who will be worth more than we paid in 3 years time or whatever."

At the current rate not one of our players is worth a penny more than we bought them for.

 

On second thought perhaps Clyne is worth £5-£6m, but that's it.

[Bearsy]

3 years time or whatever p!ssant! Ur ejaculating prematurely again.

[Olallana]

So the transfer committee is free to spend money on whoever and whomever it likes. If they turn out to be pants, it's the manager's fault for selecting them in the team? That's the right philosophy, the more money on the bench the better?

 

Eh no....but you said that with proper team selection we would have had more points and all the players you said were part of being the proper selection is in the team.

squad.

 

To summarize, we have the players you wanted in the squad. Those players were not picked by the manager.

Still it´s the transfer committee´s fault that those players weren´t played??

[StrangelyBrown]

Swanswea and West Brom spring to mind, we could compete with those wages, why would Chris Samba go to QPR? Money of course you have to pay it to get good players end of.

 

Both of those are midtable established Premier league teams, we could compete with the wages, but we couldn't offer the security of guaranteed premier league football.

[Barry Sanchez]

Both of those are midtable established Premier league teams, we could compete with the wages, but we couldn't offer the security of guaranteed premier league football.

 

Like the season Newcastle were relegated or Blackburn or Middlesbrough or Bolton................

[110_Persaint]

Eh no....but you said that with proper team selection we would have had more points and all the players you said were part of being the proper selection is in the team.

squad.

 

To summarize, we have the players you wanted in the squad. Those players were not picked by the manager.

Still it´s the transfer committee´s fault that those players weren´t played??

I see your focusing on only one player really: Boruc who was FREE.

 

My point is on the likes of Jayrod, Gaston, Mayuka, Forren, etc. whose transfers have turned out to be money down the drain.

[Wade Garrett]

Am I the only one who really doesn't rate Yoshida?

 

He needs to concentrate for 90 minutes, his errors are being severely punished at the moment. Shame, because he looks ok for most of the game.

[110_Persaint]

he needs to concentrate for 90 minutes, his errors are being severely punished at the moment. Shame, because he looks ok for most of the game.

qft

[Wade Garrett]

I see your focusing on only one player really: Boruc who was FREE.

 

My point is on the likes of Jayrod, Gaston, Mayuka, Forren, etc. whose transfers have turned out to be money down the drain.

 

Mayuka I would agree with at this moment in time. Jayrod I definitely disagree, starting to look a very dangerous player. Gaston is gifted, so I wouldn't write him off at the moment. Forren is money down the drain with regards to the fact that he's still not fit enough to play, but he might be a decent player.

[Dalek2003]

The trouble with the summer transfer policy was that we fannied about and left it all too late.

 

I along with the likes of Alpine warned about our complacent and laxidasical approach to transfer all through the summer but we were constantly rebuked and ridiculed.

 

Well, I have been proven right and when we get relegated I will be vindicated.