sandwichsaint Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 I have a spare in Block 39, PM me before 9-30 if interested. Ticket definitely available right up to kick-off tommo, will meet outside the ground. If you see this later please put an email address on here and I will get back to you at lunchtime, Doubleonothing you have a PM, you're in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 (edited) I think it's an interesting debate on how you class a manager to have been successful. Moyes is obviously a decent manager but has won nothing of note, one fa cup runners up medal but consistently does well in the prem getting into the top 8 for the last 6 or so years, personally if I was an Everton fan I'd have wanted more from moyes In the 12 years he's been at the club. On the flip side I don't really rate Di matteo but he has a champions league trophy for being at Chelsea for 2 minutes. Allerdyce obviously isn't a poor manager, he was one of the first to use sports science and all that jazz but I believe the way the game is changing is different to the way allerdyce likes to play. Be interesting to see how west ham do next season. This is exactly why comparisons are so futile as it is not just the mangers capabilities to coach identify and attract players that leads to success, but also the clubs ability to attract players and pay for them. Moyes has had little money available to him at Everton whils De Matteo inherited a big squad full of talented players with European experience some of whom (Terry Lampard etc) saw a last chance of the big one! Poch has inherited a reasonable young squad with room for improvement and is backed with money and ambition by the club lets see what he can do with it. The way big Sam plays is also a result of what we has to work with (Like Pullis) little money and unable to attract top talent (as no one sees them aiming for the top) means a good bet is older more physical players and a long ball game aimed baisically at frustrating the more expensive fluid passing sides. This also means you cannot blood too many youngsters in such a system for fear of reducing your survival chances. This style whilst able to keep a side up and mid table at best is neve going to challenge the top 6. So Horses for courses. There is always of course the Harry model of spending way beyond your means for success, but success in this model, as we all know is fleeting and unaffordable with severe consequences to club survival down stream So in summary to compare managers properly you need to look at where they managed, the players they had and the means available to them to influence change. Edited 13 April, 2013 by Saint Without a Halo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 This game will reveal wether we can adapt and have any kind of plan b against direct teams, we have really struggled against more direct route one teams. I think westham will just bypass our midfield and get it straight to their attackers and our defence is fragile without midfield assistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxy Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 As previously mentioned I will be taking my 6 year old daughter to her first game this afternoon. Well, Mrs F has instructed me to ask you all to refrain from using naughty words that might harm our little angel's tender sensibilities. thanks. Oh, and to help you out in this regard I have listed below a few acceptable curses you might like to substitute for the more usual naughties: Knave Blackguard Sugar Dang Heck Buttocks Glutes Sugar Dash it Odds Bodkins gadzooks Well, at least I tried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 This game will reveal wether we can adapt and have any kind of plan b against direct teams, we have really struggled against more direct route one teams. I think westham will just bypass our midfield and get it straight to their attackers and our defence is fragile without midfield assistance. Yep looking forward to this one. Teams that park the bus against us are the ones we don't seem to be able to break down. Not saying WHU are that type of side but SA will be (is) defensively minded - I'm still going for a Saints win but it'll be tight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 Yep looking forward to this one. Teams that park the bus against us are the ones we don't seem to be able to break down. Not saying WHU are that type of side but SA will be (is) defensively minded - I'm still going for a Saints win but it'll be tight. Its either gonna be a game with lots of goals ie a four three thriller or one side will scrape a one nil win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 Well up for this one, just hope the 3 with virus' are going to be ok. Dose shaw up on calpol before the match just to be sure though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 As previously mentioned I will be taking my 6 year old daughter to her first game this afternoon. Well, Mrs F has instructed me to ask you all to refrain from using naughty words that might harm our little angel's tender sensibilities. thanks. Oh, and to help you out in this regard I have listed below a few acceptable curses you might like to substitute for the more usual naughties: Knave Blackguard Sugar Dang Heck Buttocks Glutes Sugar Dash it Odds Bodkins gadzooks Well, at least I tried That's an awful lot of sugar for one cup of tea....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 Given the wet and windy conditions predicted, I'm not sure Wet Spam's hoofball is going to be so effective today. Ball will be moving around all over the place and will be better off on the ground. If BFS realises this it may play into our hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 Given the wet and windy conditions predicted, I'm not sure Wet Spam's hoofball is going to be so effective today. Ball will be moving around all over the place and will be better off on the ground. If BFS realises this it may play into our hands. How many of West Ham's 4 goals against us at their place were from hoofball, by the way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 How many of West Ham's 4 goals against us at their place were from hoofball, by the way? I don't know. Enlighten me. Am sure you are dying to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 How many of West Ham's 4 goals against us at their place were from hoofball, by the way? Two. So 50%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 I don't know. Enlighten me. Am sure you are dying to. I don't know, I can't remember, it was a genuine question. I can only remember their last goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 Two. So 50%. Thank you young Charles. As I said to the other chap I can only remember their last goal. While I don't think West Ham are anywhere near as bad a long ball team as others on here are conviced of, against us its probably their best plan. Even against Reading last week our defence looked most troubled with balls into the box. Chuck Andy Carroll and/or Carlton Cole into the mix and its the area I'd be most worried about, especially from corners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 How many of West Ham's 4 goals against us at their place were from hoofball, by the way? Furthermore, I'm not really sure what your point is. It is generally accepted, including by West Ham's own fans, that their style of football is too direct for the purist's liking, so whether they scored 4 hoofball goals or 0 is irrelevant; it doesn't alter their general approach to the game. It's like saying that because we favour a pass and move pressing game that we would never score from a keeper's clearance or a long pass from a defender. We may well do from time to time but it doesn't change our general approach to playing football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 Furthermore, I'm not really sure what your point is. It is generally accepted, including by West Ham's own fans, that their style of football is too direct for the purist's liking, so whether they scored 4 hoofball goals or 0 is irrelevant; it doesn't alter their general approach to the game. It's like saying that because we favour a pass and move pressing game that we would never score from a keeper's clearance or a long pass from a defender. We may well do from time to time but it doesn't change our general approach to playing football. My point was illustrated above so that should point it out for you. Not sure why you're getting so stroppy with a genuine question though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 I had a dream last night that Mayuka scored the winner......probably the most unrealistic dream ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 I had a dream last night that Mayuka scored the winner......probably the most unrealistic dream ever True. Dreaming that he might be on the bench might be a good start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 I had a dream last night that Mayuka scored the winner......probably the most unrealistic dream ever I don't know, seems to be a bit more featured in the build up videos this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 I don't know, seems to be a bit more featured in the build up videos this week. It comes to something when your role at the club is a cameo in a training video for youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 As previously mentioned I will be taking my 6 year old daughter to her first game this afternoon. Well, Mrs F has instructed me to ask you all to refrain from using naughty words that might harm our little angel's tender sensibilities. thanks. Oh, and to help you out in this regard I have listed below a few acceptable curses you might like to substitute for the more usual naughties: Knave Blackguard Sugar Dang Heck Buttocks Glutes Sugar Dash it Odds Bodkins gadzooks Well, at least I tried Should be no problem. As it is I usually confine myself to a polite "Excuse me referee, are you absolutely certain that was the correct decision? Might you possibly reconsider ?" Honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 Sh*ite weather Virus "injuries" Until this morning I thought we'd smash Wham - seriously pondering changing my prediction Jesus... I'm starting to sound like one of the bedwetters on this forum - I'll have a major word with myself before heading off to SMS - COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 We've had players missing before and still beaten teams... fear not. Shaw would be a helluva miss though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 BTW, might be worth starting with a 3rd CB at left back to counter West Ham's aerial threat? Hooiveld/Yoshida/Forren? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 As previously mentioned I will be taking my 6 year old daughter to her first game this afternoon. Well, Mrs F has instructed me to ask you all to refrain from using naughty words that might harm our little angel's tender sensibilities. thanks. Oh, and to help you out in this regard I have listed below a few acceptable curses you might like to substitute for the more usual naughties: Knave Blackguard Sugar Dang Heck Buttocks Glutes Sugar Dash it Odds Bodkins gadzooks Well, at least I tried don't forget that shoot or chute are always there to get you out of a sticky situation if you think quickly enough. Crap is also universally acceptable and bugger is current in most infants school playgrounds along with many other naughty naughty words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 BTW, might be worth starting with a 3rd CB at left back to counter West Ham's aerial threat? Hooiveld/Yoshida/Forren? We tried that at West Ham this season and got torn apart with Yoshida left back. Keep it as is. Make them worry about us rather than us worrying about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 We tried that at West Ham this season and got torn apart with Yoshida left back. Keep it as is. Make them worry about us rather than us worrying about them. Well if Shaw isn't fit and if the papers are right that Fox is injured, we may not have much choice. Don't know how Forren would be but if we are without a LB , I'd play Clyne on the left and Maya at RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 Fox was in that training video posted the other day pushing AL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 13 April, 2013 Author Share Posted 13 April, 2013 May have to go for my lucky sh*t now before the game. Don't want to put a curse on us by going before the game but I'm touching cloth here. Wish me luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 As previously mentioned I will be taking my 6 year old daughter to her first game this afternoon. Well, Mrs F has instructed me to ask you all to refrain from using naughty words that might harm our little angel's tender sensibilities. thanks. Oh, and to help you out in this regard I have listed below a few acceptable curses you might like to substitute for the more usual naughties: Knave Blackguard Sugar Dang Heck Buttocks Glutes Sugar Dash it Odds Bodkins gadzooks Well, at least I tried I say Mr Referee, you are a complete nincompoop, and I disagree vehemently with the decision that you have just arrived at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 This game will reveal wether we can adapt and have any kind of plan b against direct teams, we have really struggled against more direct route one teams. I think westham will just bypass our midfield and get it straight to their attackers and our defence is fragile without midfield assistance. You didn't see last weeks game then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 13 April, 2013 Author Share Posted 13 April, 2013 I say Mr Referee, you are a complete nincompoop, and I disagree vehemently with the decision that you have just arrived at. Much easier just to shout, "Oh bother that chap!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 I'm guessing that we should know whether Jrod, Shaw and Puncheon are at least in the squad as soon as someone gets in the stadium and sees the players warming up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 Well up for this one, just hope the 3 with virus' are going to be ok. Dose shaw up on calpol before the match just to be sure though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 OK, now I'm confused. Just had a late Bacon & Egg Sarnie before heading down the Pub. And BOTH the eggs had Double Yokes... Hmm does this omen undo the Eric Watching/Lawro Predict? Does it mean 2 each for SRL & JRod? Nope it just means I have to move my ass & get to the pub in time for 2 for 1 Happy Hour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunge Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 Shaw definitely not playing, be on xbox live at the moment, unless someone else using his gamer tag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 @SouthamptonFC: Saints team vs @whufc_official Boruc, Clyne, Yoshida, Hooiveld, Fox, Lallana, Cork, Schneiderlin, S. Davis, Ramirez, Lambert #saintsfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 No JRod and Shaw edit - JRod on the bench. Must be 'nearly' fit but not quite then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 @SouthamptonFC: On the bench for Saints: K. Davis, Fonte, Rodriguez, Ward-Prowse, Guly, Puncheon, Mayuka #saintsfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 Aaaaargh fox :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 Shaw out, Jrod on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 @whufc_official: West Ham United starting XI: Jaaskelainen, Demel, Collins, Tomkins, O'Brien, O'Neil, Diame, Nolan, Jarvis, Vaz Te, Carroll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 No JRod and Shaw edit - JRod on the bench. Must be 'nearly' fit but not quite then. Apart from fox still a good starting line up. Jrod off the bench to cause them problems late on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 West Ham @ 5s - just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
student Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 I think you might see Mayuka deployed as the plan b against tight defenses today. Last 20 mins have the potential to be exciting. Im predicting 2-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 Assuming Shaw and JRod aren't fit enough for the first team, that's the best team I would have hoped for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 Subs: K. Davis, Fonte, Rodriguez, Ward-Prowse, Guly, Puncheon, Mayuka. We really have very few defensive options in the squad right now. One keeper, one defender, one midfielder and 4 attacking players in reserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 Mayuka on the bench,my dream of him scoring the winner is going to happen I was going to put £10 on that but sky bet do not have odds on Mayuka at all.fuming !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 Last few games we´ve had a lot of defenders on the bench, today is the other way around. Fox hasn´t played a full game any time he has started under MP I think...... if he again just lasts 65-70 min.....is it Fonte on and and Yoshi out on LB then...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 13 April, 2013 Share Posted 13 April, 2013 West Ham @ 5s - just saying. That better odds than I got during the week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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