Can we accommodate SRL & Osvaldo in the same team?

[doggface]

Question I have asked myself since Osvaldo arrived. How can you play these 2 together and it work?

 

We have not spent 15 mil on a striker like Osvaldo to have him sit on the bench regularly. In a world cup year both will NEED to play to get on that plane.

 

 

It is of course very early days, but for me Norwich was not too promising.

 

Both Lambert & Osvaldo are proven Lone strikers as part of 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3.

 

We rarely play 4-4-2 anymore - We did at times vs Norwich, some stats flying around about making the same runs. both on in the 2nd half vs Sunderland and wasnt fluid.

 

 

Rickie dropping deeper as the number 10? (waste imo), Osvaldo on the wing? (waste imo).

 

 

What does everyone think? Nice problem to have but I worry about the balance.

[Batman]

yes

[Glasgow_Saint]

No.

[Suhari]

My view is that we can't play them together.

 

They are both excellent pivots around which a fluid middle three can operate. We won't be effective with two pivots.

 

Said it last season and will say it again: SRL, legend that he is , will soon be Saints supersub.

 

Can sentimentality exist alongside progress? Chappers, Hammond and Kelvin were great for us too.....

[Graffito]

Question I have asked myself since Osvaldo arrived. How can you play these 2 together and it work?

 

We have not spent 15 mil on a striker like Osvaldo to have him sit on the bench regularly. In a world cup year both will NEED to play to get on that plane.

 

 

It is of course very early days, but for me Norwich was not too promising.

 

Both Lambert & Osvaldo are proven Lone strikers as part of 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3.

 

We rarely play 4-4-2 anymore - We did at times vs Norwich, some stats flying around about making the same runs. both on in the 2nd half vs Sunderland and wasnt fluid.

 

 

Rickie dropping deeper as the number 10? (waste imo), Osvaldo on the wing? (waste imo).

 

 

What does everyone think? Nice problem to have but I worry about the balance.

 

Yes they can play together. V Sunderland second half our front four were very fluid. Norwich was a substandard performance all round inhibited by full backs not getting forward. Give Lambert and Osvaldo a chance. They've only just been introduced.

 

And Lambert dropping deep is not a waste as we have seen so many times for Saints and again tonight for England.

Edited 6 September, 2013 by Graffito

[GAS]

Yes they can play together. V Sunderland second half our front four were very fluid. Norwich was a substandard performance all round inhibited by full backs not getting forward. Give Lambert and Osvaldo a chance. They've only just been introduced.

 

And Lambert dropping deep is not a waste as we have seen so many times for Saints and again tonight for England.

Yes, perhaps the debate should be can we play without Shaw and Clyne? The game becomes like watching England without them!!

[S-Clarke]

It's a tricky one, but if you look at how well Lambert played when dropping off tonight, you have to say he has real potential to make a name for himself ''in the hole'' whilst Dani becomes our first choice top end striker.

 

He has a great footballing brain and knows when to pick out a pass. Aware of all that's going on around him.

 

There's no reason why he cannot play in the same team as him, but I don't think they'd both work up top together. I think Rickie would need to play deeper.

[Graffito]

It's a tricky one, but if you look at how well Lambert played when dropping off tonight, you have to say he has real potential to make a name for himself ''in the hole'' whilst Dani becomes our first choice top end striker.

 

He has a great footballing brain and knows when to pick out a pass. Aware of all that's going on around him.

 

There's no reason why he cannot play in the same team as him, but I don't think they'd both work up top together. I think Rickie would need to play deeper.

 

From positions rather than in positions. Why can't they or indeed the front four interchange?

[S-Clarke]

From positions rather than in positions. Why can't they or indeed the front four interchange?

 

It's a possibility, and we do play that - but we are kind of hamstrung without the width of the full backs. Lallana is key in that sort of fluid setup though, when he's on his game he can open a hell of a lot up for us.

 

I think there's still time for a partnership to build up and it's an intriguing one for MP to manage. The talent is certainly there in the front 4, we've just got to somehow make it click.

[BlakeySFC]

No.

 

SRL > Osvaldo

[maysie]

It's a tricky one, but if you look at how well Lambert played when dropping off tonight, you have to say he has real potential to make a name for himself ''in the hole'' whilst Dani becomes our first choice top end striker.

 

He has a great footballing brain and knows when to pick out a pass. Aware of all that's going on around him.

 

There's no reason why he cannot play in the same team as him, but I don't think they'd both work up top together. I think Rickie would need to play deeper.

 

The thing was tonight Rickie was coming deep from the position of the lone striker, subsequently giving the CB's a decision to make as they don't know whether to follow him deep and leave space behind or keep their defensive line. It worked well today as their were pacey players coming from deep that could then be picked out. Unfortunately we don't have those pacey players (maybe besides J-Rod?) so when Rickie retreats deep he doesn't have that option and usually has to play it backwards, and IMO this leads to our (sometimes) pedestrian looking attacks and this isn't a criticism of Lambert by the way. I'm not sure of Osvaldo's speed, could he be a runner from behind or coming in from the wings?

[Joensuu]

Of course we can. Lambert as the loan striker, Osvaldo in one of the wide berths.

[wild-saint]

im really impressed how people can judge after just over 90 minutes of football either way.

[aintforever]

As long as Osvaldo is happy to play in the wide role it shouldn't be a problem.

[Red]

Easy for me - yes! Osvaldo replaces SRL as lone ranger, SLR replaces JR as wide / hole man. JR needs to improve to get in, and / or makes impact from bench.

[Smirking_Saint]

Personally, I dont think it will work in the long term

 

AL GR JR

PO

 

Would be my front four

[Junior Mullet]

Personally, I dont think it will work in the long term

 

AL GR JR

PO

 

Would be my front four

 

Thank buggery you aint manager

[Roger]

Personally, I dont think it will work in the long term

 

AL GR JR

PO

 

Would be my front four

 

Are you blind?

[Appy]

Yes, for now.

 

Long term though Osvaldo will be first choice, as much as I love Lambert.

[Junior Mullet]

Yes, for now.

 

Long term though Osvaldo will be first choice, as much as I love Lambert.

 

Given that Lambo is 31 years old I reckon that's a pretty safe bet. Now, what would you do this year if you were manager?

[Appy]

Given that Lambo is 31 years old I reckon that's a pretty safe bet. Now, what would you do this year if you were manager?

 

I'd play them both.

 

Lambert just behind, i think it will work in the short term.

[Under Weststand]

Ricky has proved once again how effective he is when dropping deeper & he can play in the hole behind Osvaldo. We have added another good international striker with Osvaldo to the equation & it may take a week or two for the pair to settle into a rhythm & get used to each others game. But good players will soon adapt. And I see no reason why they will not forge a great partnership.

[ottery st mary]

Totally agree with those posters who know what they are talking about.

 

Lambert and Osvaldo in the same side........Absolutely:)

 

COYS:)

[Bucks Saint]

Too early to say but my guess so far is yes, of course we can. SRL to play behind. Sorted

[Sheaf Saint]

Watching his performance for England lastnight I have absolute confidence that he can play the deeper role with Osvaldo up top, and not only that, I reckon it will be very effective once they get on the same wavelength. Just look at the little combinations that Rickie and Wellbeck played with each other last night. And that's after just a handful of training sessions together.

 

It was interesting to hear the 'taters drawing the comparison between SRL and Teddy Sheringham during the game. Both came into the England fold later in their careers than most, neither of them very fast or mobile but such intelligence in their play and their awareness of their team-mates' positions at all times. This is something I brought up with a mate of mine at the beginning of last season who was convinced that SRL wouldn't make the step up to playing in the PL.

[Tom28]

Personally I would play a 4-1-3-2 at home.

 

Boruc

Clyne Yoshida Lovren Shaw

Wanyama

Rodriguez Schneiderlin Lallana

Lambert Osvaldo

 

Away I would play the same players but with Schneiderlin playing deeper, Lallana in the 10, and Osvaldo and Rodriguez coming off the flanks and Lambert up top in a 4-2-3-1.

[Smirking_Saint]

Are you blind?

 

Oh I must be, didnt realise the Saints badge was three lions

[Roger]

Oh I must be, didnt realise the Saints badge was three lions

 

Who else scores goals? Osvaldo needs to prove himself in prem. who else creates as many. I'm judging him on 4 years when he has been the biggest factor in our return to prem and staying there plus his performance in england shirt just shows his class. His form has dipped for saints since April I agree but is potch getting best out of him?

[Saint Without a Halo]

Watching his performance for England lastnight I have absolute confidence that he can play the deeper role with Osvaldo up top, and not only that, I reckon it will be very effective once they get on the same wavelength. Just look at the little combinations that Rickie and Wellbeck played with each other last night. And that's after just a handful of training sessions together.

 

It was interesting to hear the 'taters drawing the comparison between SRL and Teddy Sheringham during the game. Both came into the England fold later in their careers than most, neither of them very fast or mobile but such intelligence in their play and their awareness of their team-mates' positions at all times. This is something I brought up with a mate of mine at the beginning of last season who was convinced that SRL wouldn't make the step up to playing in the PL.

 

This!

SRL can play deep and hold up the ball facing away from goal whilst Osvaldo is better running onto balls facing goal. This is a classic combination and has seen to work well on many occasions in the past. I am hopeful as obviously is MP that it will work.

Edited 7 September, 2013 by Saint Without a Halo

[sammysaint]

Lambert is too good to drop, and even dropping him to number 10 will cost him his England place, thats Rooneys role, Lambo needs to get goals to make the England squad.

 

Osvaldo has shown me nothing to say he deserves to start over Lambo, if he cant adapt as quick as Lambo did, then he needs to step up, we cant have another Gaston, where we get one good perfomance every 3-4 games.

 

MP needs to get Lambo and Osvaldo working together rotating the roles and allowing them a chance to both to get 12 plus goals each, this would be ideal and if hes a good manager as his potential shows he will notice this.

[Charlie Wayman]

Yes & No. Osvaldo is about "showboating" and "look at me", Lambo is about "Team" and "Pride".

 

 

Provided Lambo does the graft and assisting, Odsvaldo might get the odd goal here and there but don't expect Osvaldo to do any team work or grafting to assist Lambo.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Yes they can play together. V Sunderland second half our front four were very fluid. Norwich was a substandard performance all round inhibited by full backs not getting forward. Give Lambert and Osvaldo a chance. They've only just been introduced.

 

And Lambert dropping deep is not a waste as we have seen so many times for Saints and again tonight for England.

 

FFS, They played one match and didn't score 18 goals.

 

What is the point of paying £15m for someone if they don't guarantee a hat-trick every game.

 

I'm outraged. Why have we not got a witty play on Osvaldo's name to demonstrate how poor he is, and how much we don't want him (ala the hilarious Gashton)‽

[Cabrone]

If you watched him play last night then the answer is absolutely yes.

 

Osvaldo should be the spear head and Ricky the foil. Two quality players that will click and when they do it will be good to watch. Patience needed though.

 

Talk of Osvaldo on the left or right is nonsense. The guy is a centre forward and a damn good one at that. Play him where he will do damage.

 

Get Cork back into the team too, he allows the full backs to bomb forward and provide width. He also allows Wanyama and Schneiderlin to squeeze hard knowing they have cover.

 

Diamond for me.

 

---------Boruc

Clyne Lovren Fonte Shaw

---------Cork

-Wanyama Schneiderlin

----Lallana\Ramirez

----Lambert Osvaldo

[JibMcdo]

-----Morgan----Wanyama

-----------Ramirez

 

Jay Rod---------------Osvaldo

 

-----------Lambert

 

We saw for England yesterday if Lambert has players running in from the wings (like Walcott and Welbeck) he really shines. Osvaldo and Rodriguez should do the same job whilst Gaston drops into a playmaker role. Lallana on the bench.

[Toon Saint]

Based on current form I'd like to see:

 

-----------Boruc

Clyne Lovren Fonte Shaw

------Morgan Wanyama

-------------JWP

--Lallana------------Osvaldo

------------Lambert

 

Really interested in seeing how Ramirez and Osvaldo combine at some point though.

 

Question of who plays 'up top' out of Rickie and Osvaldo not that important such is the interchange and fluidity we try and get b/w the front four. Both players savvy enough to occupy that position at different times during the same match and also move out to wing positions. When those two start getting decent service and with full-backs overlapping properly, can really see us starting to toy with opposition.

[Verbal Kint]

............Boruc

Clyne Fonte Lovren Shaw

....Wanyama Morgan

...JRod Lambert Lallana

...........Osvaldo

 

Get a bit of movement and fluidity, which will only come with games, between the front four and they'll cause problems.

It's lallana or gaston at the moment and lallana has started the season well

[RedArmy]

Lambert is very hard to pigeon hole as a certain type of player, because he's played so many different roles here. He has shown time and time again that it doesn't matter where on the pitch you give him the ball, he knows how to be effective.

[Avenue Saint]

...................Boruc

Clyne.. Fonte.. Lovren.. Shaw

........Wanyama Morgan

...Ramirez Lambert Lallana

..................Osvaldo

[Appy]

Is it possible to have a thread about Lambert that doesn't involve an argument between Roger and Smirking_Saint or the9?

[ottery st mary]

...................Boruc

Clyne.. Fonte.. Lovren.. Shaw

........Wanyama Morgan

...Ramirez Lambert Lallana

..................Osvaldo

 

 

My team...to be sure:)

[MINIBARCELONASAINT]

Yes we can. It doesn't come down to how many minutes of football we have seen of them playing together either, it comes down to the manager.

 

It is the failing of a manager if two strikers are seen as unable to play together.

[aintforever]

...................Boruc

Clyne.. Fonte.. Lovren.. Shaw

........Wanyama Morgan

...Ramirez Lambert Lallana

..................Osvaldo

 

I can't see that formation working, Rickie is a natural front man you might as well just play 4-4-2.

[pimpin4rizeal]

It could even be worth giving the 352 formation a whirl if shaw could stay fit.

That way we get to keep lambo and osvaldo up front without getting overpowerrd in midfield, something like this would be intetrsting

Boruc

Yoshida fonte lovren

Wanyama schneiderlin

Clyne. Shaw

Gaston/lallana

Lambert osvaldo.

[pimpin4rizeal]

It could even be worth giving the 352 formation a whirl if shaw could stay fit.

That way we get to keep lambo and osvaldo up front without getting overpowerrd in midfield, something like this would be intetrsting

Boruc

Yoshida fonte lovren

Wanyama schneiderlin

Clyne. Shaw

Gaston/lallana

Lambert osvaldo.

 

Thats meant to be with clyne and shaw wide obviously

[Suhari]

-----Morgan----Wanyama

-----------Ramirez

 

Jay Rod---------------Osvaldo

 

-----------Lambert

 

We saw for England yesterday if Lambert has players running in from the wings (like Walcott and Welbeck) he really shines. Osvaldo and Rodriguez should do the same job whilst Gaston drops into a playmaker role. Lallana on the bench.

 

Agree in principle, and was contemplating this earlier. SRL looked great for Engerlaand with pace coming from wide. Can't see that being replicated at Saints though. Why spend 15m on a striker then play him wide?

[Smirking_Saint]

Who else scores goals? Osvaldo needs to prove himself in prem. who else creates as many. I'm judging him on 4 years when he has been the biggest factor in our return to prem and staying there plus his performance in england shirt just shows his class. His form has dipped for saints since April I agree but is potch getting best out of him?

 

No, and Ive said this time and time again Roger, Ive not got an anti Lambert agenda, but I want the best for Saints.

 

Saints tactics dont suit RL, Englands does (poor opposition helps too), the tactics however I feel will suit PO in the long run.

So he either changes tactics or drops Rickie

[Batman]

No, and Ive said this time and time again Roger, Ive not got an anti Lambert agenda, but I want the best for Saints.

 

Saints tactics dont suit RL, Englands does (poor opposition helps too), the tactics however I feel will suit PO in the long run.

So he either changes tactics or drops Rickie

how come saints tactics dont suit lambert, yet he was the top english striker last season?

[Shandy_Top_89]

Short term (this season);

 

--------------------Boruc-------------------

---------------------------------------------

-Clyne----Lovren----Fonte/Yoshi---Shaw-

---------------------------------------------

-----------Wanyama--Schneiderlin--------

---------------------------------------------

-----Rodriguez-----Lambert-----Lallana---

----------------------------------------------

---------------------Osvaldo-----------------

 

Subs

K.Davis, Chambers / Fox, Cork, Ramirez, Ward-Prowse, S.Davis, Lee?

 

To be honest we will rotate heavily around our midfield and strike force through the season. I'd prefer to see Lambert in the centre to Osvaldo on the wing. Don't particularly like the idea of them side by side. However this is obviously based on a very limited amount of playing time, Pochettino may have an entirely different tactic lined up for the future.

 

Long term assuming Lambert declines after the next couple of seasons, i'd expect J-Rod and Ramirez to compete for the centre and Ward-Prowse to take the place on the wing. All of this obviously pending future transfer activity and youth developments.

[Smirking_Saint]

how come saints tactics dont suit lambert, yet he was the top english striker last season?

 

How did he get on once MoPo had bedded in his tactics Jamie ?

[Batman]

How did he get on once MoPo had bedded in his tactics Jamie ?

 

scored at least 7 of his 16 prem goals from what I can see.

have no idea on assists

 

that is better than 1 in 3

is that good, or bad?

Edited 8 September, 2013 by Batman