sadoldgit Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 If reports are correct he'll be our record signing if he comes, gonna have his work cut out trying to be better than previous ones, Osvaldo, Delap, Delgado etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 Or it could make it easier, if the sports group that own the other 75% put pressure on them to sell... This imo. Doyen are an investment group - you'd have to think they will want to bank a very healthy profit now instead of possibly a bit more cash at some indeterminate point in the future if all goes well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 Replace him with Davis. I like the look of that! This, but don't think we will be playing 3-5-2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 Tadic was with Doyen Sports at one time as well, don't know if they still had any involvement with him when we signed him from Twente though. If so we know the ropes on that front seemingly.I take your point, but I don't think the Dutch League have the same part ownership issues that the Portuguese league appears to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 Or it could make it easier, if the sports group that own the other 75% put pressure on them to sell...Admirable optimism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 (edited) I take your point, but I don't think the Dutch League have the same part ownership issues that the Portuguese league appears to have. In fact I've been looking into the Doyen Group, very nebulous but their sports arm definitely took somewhere between 25 and 30% of our money for Tadic. Small fry for them, they've 50% of Falcao and a massive chunk of Neymar to mention but a few. Minting it from players it would seem, that's their business it's a venture capital fund. They put up 3.5 million euros for Sporting to buy Rojo and get 75% in return. Nice money making system don't you think. If they take 16 million euros that will be 12 million against 3.5 million in a year, we should refuse to deal with people like that, or so says Michel Platini.. So taking into account even 25% of the Tadic fee, lets call it 14 million €, then Doyen Global will have made about 15.5 million€ out of Saints in a month or so. Further edit: Do you think that there are people from an entity like Global on the WEF ? Wouldn't be surprised by that in any way at all. further further edit: Tevfik Arif one of the principal backers of Doyen was rumoured to be interested in buying Aston Villa a couple of months back but nothing came of it.How coincidental it all is, surely nothing more than that though. Edited 7 August, 2014 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlin Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 As the French would have it, Les bien! If it doesn't work out, though, he will be Les Miserables. "Manteau, s'il vous plait." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 In fact I've been looking into the Doyen Group, very nebulous but their sports arm definitely took somewhere between 25 and 30% of our money for Tadic. Small fry for them, they've 50% of Falcao and a massive chunk of Neymar to mention but a few. Minting it from players it would seem, that's their business it's a venture capital fund. They put up 3.5 million euros for Sporting to buy Rojo and get 75% in return. Nice money making system don't you think. If they take 16 million euros that will be 12 million against 3.5 million in a year, we should refuse to deal with people like that, or so says Michel Platini.. So taking into account even 25% of the Tadic fee, lets call it 14 million €, then Doyen Global will have made about 15.5 million€ out of Saints in a month or so. I think I need to redirect my business into this market.......anyone know any players I can start with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 In fact I've been looking into the Doyen Group, very nebulous but their sports arm definitely took somewhere between 25 and 30% of our money for Tadic. Small fry for them, they've 50% of Falcao and a massive chunk of Neymar to mention but a few. Minting it from players it would seem, that's their business it's a venture capital fund. They put up 3.5 million euros for Sporting to buy Rojo and get 75% in return. Nice money making system don't you think. If they take 16 million euros that will be 12 million against 3.5 million in a year, we should refuse to deal with people like that, or so says Michel Platini.. So taking into account even 25% of the Tadic fee, lets call it 14 million €, then Doyen Global will have made about 15.5 million€ out of Saints in a month or so. I can't imagine Cortese dealing with anyone like that. He could only just abide dealing with agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedyfly Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 I can't imagine Cortese dealing with anyone like that. He could only just abide dealing with agents. Pretty sure Gaston was signed in this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 I think I need to redirect my business into this market.......anyone know any players I can start with? It looks like really easy money on the face of it, probably have to prospect in emerging countries a bit though. So off to South America you go then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 Pretty sure Gaston was signed in this way.Not quite. He was part owned by his previous club wasn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 Pretty sure Gaston was signed in this way. I think Gaston simply belonged to 2 clubs rather than a loan shark. Wasn't it part Bologna and part Cagliari or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 I think Gaston simply belonged to 2 clubs rather than a loan shark. Wasn't it part Bologna and part Cagliari or something like that. Penarol in Uruguay I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 I think Gaston simply belonged to 2 clubs rather than a loan shark. Wasn't it part Bologna and part Cagliari or something like that. 30% owned by Peñarol I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 (edited) 30% owned by Peñarol I believe. Ah yes, that's it, thanks. Still not a loan shark which is the point of the affair. Leandro Damiao was or is one of their players though. Edited 7 August, 2014 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JxgrSaint Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 Not quite. He was part owned by his previous club wasn't he? Didn't both Penarol and his agent own bits of him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 Perhaps the company are happy with the deal but the club want their 25% up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingdomCome Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 Didn't both Penarol and his agent own bits of him? Who owned his head? I hear that's the important bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 Doyen Group info, seem pretty professional unit. http://www.sportindustry.biz/news/view/12128/kay-%26-oliveira-launch-new-sports-venture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berudenot2 Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 Also posted this on the Fonte captain thread but maybe better here... If we were to sign both Rojo and Van Dijk (don't think we will) could it be with a view to playing something like this? Not sure where Tadic fits in though.. ----------Boruc ---VVD-- Fonte-- Rojo Clyne-------------- Bertrand ----------Wanyama Schneiderlin-----Taider ----------Davis ----------Pelle Clyne and Bertand as wing backs pushing on to provide width VVD played in the right hand centre back position for Celtic against Legia was a disaster in the first leg after he looked so at ease begfore Ambrose being sent off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 Doyen Group info, seem pretty professional unit. http://www.sportindustry.biz/news/view/12128/kay-%26-oliveira-launch-new-sports-venture Depends what view you take on human cattle trading I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 Depends what view you take on human cattle trading I suppose. And transfers between clubs are what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goneawol Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 http://www.ojogo.pt/futebol/1a_liga/sporting/interior.aspx?content_id=4068336&page=-1 ..."There are proposals for the Marcos Rojo and Slimani, but the values are below what the Sporting legitimately want. For William Carvalho is that there are no proposals ", revealed, on the afternoon of Thursday, Bruno de Carvalho, President of Sporting, in conversation with journalists at the presentation of the squad of futsal club. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 VVD played in the right hand centre back position for Celtic against Legia was a disaster in the first leg after he looked so at ease begfore Ambrose being sent off. No tadic lol. Clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 Les I believe in you, now just ****ing put a sensible offer in and get it sorted, ruthless don would have this completed in no time.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 Depends what view you take on human cattle trading I suppose. Tell us another of your Bangkok hooker stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 Les I believe in you, now just ****ing put a sensible offer in and get it sorted, ruthless don would have this completed in no time.. Ramirez and Osvaldo transfers dragged on for ages if I recall correctly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 Les I believe in you, now just ****ing put a sensible offer in and get it sorted, ruthless don would have this completed in no time.. ... spending over the odds of Katharina's money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 http://www.ojogo.pt/futebol/1a_liga/sporting/interior.aspx?content_id=4068336&page=-1 ..."There are proposals for the Marcos Rojo and Slimani, but the values are below what the Sporting legitimately want. For William Carvalho is that there are no proposals ", revealed, on the afternoon of Thursday, Bruno de Carvalho, President of Sporting, in conversation with journalists at the presentation of the squad of futsal club. ... Eh?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waggy Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 Les I believe in you, now just ****ing put a sensible offer in and get it sorted, ruthless don would have this completed in no time.. Les is just soaking up a bit of Portuguese sun before jetting back with Rojo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 Les I believe in you, now just ****ing put a sensible offer in and get it sorted, ruthless don would have this completed in no time..Yes - like he did with Ramirez and Osvaldo. Both done and dusted in a blink of the eye........oh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Mikey Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 Les is just soaking up a bit of Portuguese sun before jetting back with Rojo All I can see Les jetting back from Portugal with is 'una botella de vino rojo', not much else... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis17 Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 Eh?! Think he's saying there have been offers for Rojo (by us) and Slimani (by Leicester) but there haven't been any bids for Carvalho (who's been linked with Arsenal among others). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 All I can see Les jetting back from Portugal with is 'una botella de vino rojo', not much else... They wouldn't let him on the plane with that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 Yes - like he did with Ramirez and Osvaldo. Both done and dusted in a blink of the eye........oh! Indeed both don't done and dusted, no pressure les, although granted they both took a while.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 Indeed both don't done and dusted, no pressure les, although granted they both took a while..'Twas possibly Les who did those deals as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 Tell us another of your Bangkok hooker stories. Quoi ? You've got the wrong bloke, don't ever remember going to Bangkok. Don't do hookers, never have. Try B Earsy B.A Esq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 And transfers between clubs are what? Butb the club gets the lions share of the money, in this case it ends up with a Kazakh investment banker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan abnormal Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 Tweets from a football writer in Portugal @PortuBall: If you'd told me before the World Cup that anyone would be willing to pay €12m for Marcos Rojo I'd recommend you to get your head checked. @PortuBall: I'm still not a huge fan of Rojo. His positioning and reading of the game is terrible, but €12m makes more sense after a good World Cup. Also not sure if already posted @PortuBall: Sporting Pres Carvalho admits Slimani and Rojo are up for sale. All he says about William Carvalho is that they haven't received any offers. Sent from my iPod touch using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 Tweets from a football writer in Portugal @PortuBall: If you'd told me before the World Cup that anyone would be willing to pay €12m for Marcos Rojo I'd recommend you to get your head checked. @PortuBall: I'm still not a huge fan of Rojo. His positioning and reading of the game is terrible, but €12m makes more sense after a good World Cup. Also not sure if already posted @PortuBall: Sporting Pres Carvalho admits Slimani and Rojo are up for sale. All he says about William Carvalho is that they haven't received any offers. Sent from my iPod touch using Tapatalk Maybe he's a better fullback than a CB where positioning and reading of the game are less important. Of course, we seem to be looking at him as a CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 Will he turn out to be one of those players we are desperate to get signed up for a small fortune, only to think "WTF?!" after watching him in a couple of EPL games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 He's known in portugal as the Argentinian Danny Higgingbotham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 god when will the pain end and the elation begin. until then...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenSaint Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 This, but don't think we will be playing 3-5-2. I think we will at times but not at home. Home we will go 433 but Koeman is a manager with more than 1 plan and he likes options so i would think a 352 type formation might be used in certain games or to close a game down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 @PortuBall: If you'd told me before the World Cup that anyone would be willing to pay €12m for Marcos Rojo I'd recommend you to get your head checked. @PortuBall: I'm still not a huge fan of Rojo. His positioning and reading of the game is terrible, but €12m makes more sense after a good World Cup. Its a fair point - its never a good idea to buy a player just after they've had a decent WC - the price is inflated and so are opinions about ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 Its a fair point - its never a good idea to buy a player just after they've had a decent WC - the price is inflated and so are opinions about ability. But likewise if you follow a team or a league closely you will find flaws in every players abilities... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 Any fans of other clubs reading SWF would conclude Lambert, would have been sold to the glue factory Lallana, decent player for 65 minutes with a powder puff shot Shaw, rampant addiction to Burger King and can't cross for toffee Lovren, great for 10 games and would be lost without Big Vic and Mad Artur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 Its a fair point - its never a good idea to buy a player just after they've had a decent WC - the price is inflated and so are opinions about ability. True, but Argentina's World Cup squad was not exactly easy to crack, never mind the staring line up. It's like being good enough to crack England's squad X 5. Not that this is really saying anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 7 August, 2014 Share Posted 7 August, 2014 Any fans of other clubs reading SWF would conclude Lambert, would have been sold to the glue factory Lallana, decent player for 65 minutes with a powder puff shot Shaw, rampant addiction to Burger King and can't cross for toffee Lovren, great for 10 games and would be lost without Big Vic and Mad Artur But that's all true, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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