The Scottish Independence referendum

[pap]

97% registered to vote.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/11/referendum-registered-voters-scotland-four-million-97-per-cent

 

Well, there's no poll tax to worry about anymore

[suewhistle]

It's strange that so many English people care so much about how much it will cost Scottish people to shop at Asda etc. I'm sure after a period of time, they will cope.

 

I'm sure they'll cope, but they'll still be moaning and blaming the English for everything that isn't quite as promised.

[Tokyo-Saint]

I'm sure they'll cope, but they'll still be moaning and blaming the English for everything that isn't quite as promised.

 

So you as an English person are moaning on an internet forum at the chance they might be moaning in the future and somehow blaming the English for them voting to be independent and them not realising arctic roll might go up 5p or half a sponduli as it will be known by then?

 

A preemptive moan about a possible future moan.

[buctootim]

So you as an English person are moaning on an internet forum at the chance they might be moaning in the future and somehow blaming the English for them voting to be independent and them not realising arctic roll might go up 5p or half a sponduli as it will be known by then?

 

A preemptive moan about a possible future moan.

 

Nice moan about Sue, Tokes. Wit isnt dead

[Minsk]

The more I hear if the Yes vote goes through, Jobs will move south to England. That will help the unemployment figures and consequently the amount paid out in benefits in England. Do we get to repatriate anyone Scottish if they do not have a work visa, until they have joined the EU. If the resident Scots are allowed to stay with visas will they have to take the cricket test to prove their loyalty to England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

 

We absolutely should do; including footballers, football managers, etc.

 

Additionally, we should (with immediate effect) remove all Scottish politicians, government workers, members of the armed forces, etc, from their jobs. Not doing so would be a huge risk to national security.

 

In fact, to put it bluntly, if the yes vote wins all Scots should have all the same rights to live and work in any EU country as, say, nationals of Belarus.

[Goatboy]

We absolutely should do; including footballers, football managers, etc.

 

Additionally, we should (with immediate effect) remove all Scottish politicians, government workers, members of the armed forces, etc, from their jobs. Not doing so would be a huge risk to national security.

 

In fact, to put it bluntly, if the yes vote wins all Scots should have all the same rights to live and work in any EU country as, say, nationals of Belarus.

 

Lets hope that the Scots have their new passports all ready to be issued too as surely their British passports will no longer be valid. I'm sure they're all ready to go.

[pap]

We absolutely should do; including footballers, football managers, etc.

 

Additionally, we should (with immediate effect) remove all Scottish politicians, government workers, members of the armed forces, etc, from their jobs. Not doing so would be a huge risk to national security.

 

In fact, to put it bluntly, if the yes vote wins all Scots should have all the same rights to live and work in any EU country as, say, nationals of Belarus.

Gingers, just to be safe *

 

[video=youtube_share;IeMvUlxXyz8]

 

* just joshing. I'm actually very fond of gingers. I have kept one for several years.

[Minsk]

Lets hope that the Scots have their new passports all ready to be issued too as surely their British passports will no longer be valid. I'm sure they're all ready to go.

 

Spot on GB.

 

I am sure they have got all their embassies ready to help out Scots abroad too.

[Batman]

One of the brass at work was at his news conference (so my boss says today)

and AS was heckled by the international media section and they pressed him time and time again on the issue of currency and oil

he did his usual of blaming "England' and 'Westminster' and called them puppets of the UK government.....

he also claimed (when pressed) that he had not factored in the tens of billions of £££ he would need in reserve to even start the debate about a currency union

 

When pressed on what he would do with the 19k people employed directly from the Naval Base in Faslane. he said the scottish workers would be found jobs at the base (which would be vastly scaled down) or he will find them jobs with other public services

 

so was the feedback we got at work this afternoon

[SuperMikey]

Campaign has been nicely smeared by the Westminster leaders putting a couple of phone calls in to their mates at big companies - weird how quiet they've been for the last several months and all of a sudden they're coming out with these revelations about how expensive it will be... with inflation the way it's going our food prices are going through the roof regardless of what happens in Scotland!

[Tokyo-Saint]

Do you get a vote supermacmikey? I don't but looks like I might be 'repatriated' soon.

[Patrick Bateman]

Campaign has been nicely smeared by the Westminster leaders putting a couple of phone calls in to their mates at big companies - weird how quiet they've been for the last several months and all of a sudden they're coming out with these revelations about how expensive it will be... with inflation the way it's going our food prices are going through the roof regardless of what happens in Scotland!

 

Not, it's not weird at all. Maybe they've other things to do, like running their company/department etc.

 

Maybe they've had months of meetings and studies, or they've waiting for analysis for a while, before being able to make their claims.

 

Jesus, see the bigger f**king picture.

[pap]

Not, it's not weird at all. Maybe they've other things to do, like running their company/department etc.

 

Maybe they've had months of meetings and studies, or they've waiting for analysis for a while, before being able to make their claims.

 

Jesus, see the bigger f**king picture.

 

I think Super Michael is nearer to the truth on this one. Kitchen sink time. Look how quickly super devo max was offered up. Do you really think a lever will be left unpulled?

[Patrick Bateman]

I think Super Michael is nearer to the truth on this one. Kitchen sink time. Look how quickly super devo max was offered up. Do you really think a lever will be left unpulled?

 

Rubbish, do you not think there are analysts of various sort running around many companies, some behind schedule, trying to work out the impact of Scotland going it alone? There will have been presentations or 1-pagers given, which the guys at the top have needed to digest and then decide what to do with.

[aintforever]

Campaign has been nicely smeared by the Westminster leaders putting a couple of phone calls in to their mates at big companies - weird how quiet they've been for the last several months and all of a sudden they're coming out with these revelations about how expensive it will be... with inflation the way it's going our food prices are going through the roof regardless of what happens in Scotland!

 

Out-maneuvered by the English again, just like at Falkirk 1298.

[pap]

Rubbish, do you not think there are analysts of various sort running around many companies, some behind schedule, trying to work out the impact of Scotland going it alone? There will have been presentations or 1-pagers given, which the guys at the top have needed to digest and then decide what to do with.

 

I'm not really sure people are considering the full ramifications of an independent Scotland. Sure, the cost of food may go up - but the Scots could lower the outrageous fuel duty, and lower prices across the board.

 

I find these sudden reports of British business' dire assessment very cynical and a mite illogical.

 

Seumas Milne reckons Salmond going to undercut business on corporation tax. They'll be opening themselves up for business across the board, with likely very favourable conditions to secure inward investment. So when big firms announce they'll move south a week before a tight-rope referendum, possibly against many of their business interests, I do smell a common political rat.

 

Of course it'll be a pain in the arse for most businesses, but if those firms do leave Scotland, others will invest there. They won't have the same spending commitments and they have an undetermined windfall from oil. If the scaremongering on the oil front has been the equal of claims elsewhere, they've probably got loads

 

If they retain policies like free higher education for people in Scotland and parcel that up into an immigration drive, there's no reason they can't attract good people and keep them. Independence, innit? All policy millstones are potentially off.

 

These doom-sayin' firms would be mental to abandon their ground before getting to know the lay of the land.

[Patrick Bateman]

 

These doom-sayin' firms would be mental to abandon their ground before getting to know the lay of the land.

 

Apologies for selectively quoting but, that's my entire point! All companies, especially the larger ones, will have groups of analysts running around like mad completing these business assessments for them. Companies such as Deloitte's, will be doing very well I'm sure out of placing 10 or so analysts and a couple of more senior bodies within companies to do this work.

 

I'm not saying this without foundation of evidence and I do imagine there is a large element of guesswork, of course there will be. But I imagine one of many parameters would be "British customers" who would change provider (for whatever the service is) vs. Scottish customers. As they'll be looking after number 1 (well, shareholders and bonuses) and probably therefore don't overly care for nationalism, it's easy to guess what the outcomes will be.

 

Very simplistic, but I know whithin my sphere of industry knowledge, that's happening to a very in depth detail and has been for a while, hence my original point to Michael. Saint Michael - let's discuss this in Jaxx ...

[Tokyo-Saint]

I think Super Michael is nearer to the truth on this one. Kitchen sink time. Look how quickly super devo max was offered up. Do you really think a lever will be left unpulled?

 

I am fully expecting tomorrow's news to be the sky will fall in over Inverness if there is a yes vote alone with a pic of David Cameron in tartan trousers eating deep fried mars bar.

 

Viva la revolution.

[Batman]

Latest.

 

Next say their prices will rise in Scotland

 

Head of OPEC said Scotland would be foolish to go it alone and dismissed any suggestion that Scotland could join their group. They simply do not produce no where near enough to have a voice and that the oil in the North Sea is on the decline. Also the price of a barrel is going down due to the competition

 

BoE say that huge taxes for each person would need to be applied for cash reserves for Scotland to even use the pound outside if a currency union as they won't have a bank of last resort. Could be up to £18k per person. Let alone the cost of their planned public services

 

Salmon claims this is all one big Westminster con and won't answer questions on these issues. Instead, has attacked the BBC

 

So, Higher prices in the high street

Oil revenues controlled by the Middle East

Interest rates controlled by the rUK

Laws made in Brussels

And lots if free things for everyone

 

 

Wow

Edited 11 September, 2014 by Batman

[suewhistle]

Not sure if it's been discussed on this thread, but the costs of setting up new systems is going to be juicy: contractors and lawyers must be hoping... Many years ago I was involved with large customer based systems being integrated, and that was "fun", but separating out data as well as establishing new administrative systems will be even more "fun". It's an expensive process, particularly unravelling all the commercial relationships (licences, contracts etc.) and I'm not sure where the money is going to come from to do this.

[SuperMikey]

Not, it's not weird at all. Maybe they've other things to do, like running their company/department etc.

 

Maybe they've had months of meetings and studies, or they've waiting for analysis for a while, before being able to make their claims.

 

Jesus, see the bigger f**king picture.

 

I work for a company that says they'd look at moving if the vote was Yes, so I know first hand that there has been analysis and scenario testing behind the scenes. However, they along with several other companies and organisations have said sweet f.a. about it for months until the last couple of days or so. We were told as employees not to comment to customers about the referendum and its implications to the company, but within the last 48 hours we've been given a line to toe if asked. It's clearly a concerted effort by the "powers that be" to scupper any attempt at independence. At this rate, it will never happen as the electorate is far too easily scared by stuff like this.

 

*Dons tin hat*

[Patrick Bateman]

I work for a company that says they'd look at moving if the vote was Yes, so I know first hand that there has been analysis and scenario testing behind the scenes. However, they along with several other companies and organisations have said sweet f.a. about it for months until the last couple of days or so. We were told as employees not to comment to customers about the referendum and its implications to the company, but within the last 48 hours we've been given a line to toe if asked. It's clearly a concerted effort by the "powers that be" to scupper any attempt at independence. At this rate, it will never happen as the electorate is far too easily scared by stuff like this.

 

*Dons tin hat*

 

*sigh*

 

Of course it's been that recent.

1. Because the media have suddenly jumped all over it so you need to know how to answer, if asked

2. Because the analysis has just been finalised, or even re-finalised just in case they weren't happy (and that has happened)

3. Tell you all too early and you forget what to say, so tell you nearer the time and you can answer

 

I work at the other end, generally not last to know - Jaxx, let's chat (Okay I haven't been there since 2009 and at 38, it'd be weird, but it still amuses me)

[Batman]

I work for a company that says they'd look at moving if the vote was Yes, so I know first hand that there has been analysis and scenario testing behind the scenes. However, they along with several other companies and organisations have said sweet f.a. about it for months until the last couple of days or so. We were told as employees not to comment to customers about the referendum and its implications to the company, but within the last 48 hours we've been given a line to toe if asked. It's clearly a concerted effort by the "powers that be" to scupper any attempt at independence. At this rate, it will never happen as the electorate is far too easily scared by stuff like this.

 

*Dons tin hat*

 

Of course it is part of the effort

I'm sure as shyt that AS would have been telling everyone about it had they sided with him

[ART]

1.8 million Catalans, fired up by the Scottish Referendum, marched today in Barcelona for Catalan independence.

 

http://www.rte.ie/news/world/2014/0911/643111-catalan-independence/

[dubai_phil]

Good luck to the Sweaties. About time they all fooked off and left us English alone.

 

FFS we had YEARS of being run by inept pseudo commies thanks to all the voters in Scotland. Christ, even the Ruskies kicked out the loony Commies.

 

Just imagine an England without the namby pampy State for the past 50 or so years. Sure we'd all have been born with German passports but then they ain't had it so bad of late.

 

But really, all this "Political Asylum" nonsense. No not the REAL ones but those Imams that were kicked out of Iran, Saudi, Yemen & Jordan. They'd have never got in under decades of Thatcherism.

 

And c'mon, even the Aussies would have finally worked out that we aren't whingeing Poms, we're just flooded with whingeing insecure Jocks. WHAT THE HELL IS IT ABOUT THEM ALL? They have such an inferiority complex that they all have this chip on their shoulders? OK so great, BUGGER OFF and enjoy your own Socialist Utopia with Alex Fish head or whatever his name is and have a booming economy building more Council Houses.

 

My God, 50 years of Tories fighting the Lib Dems. What a marvellous place England would have become.

 

Christ, they'd even have brought in the Troops to force through the building of a By-pass round Salisbury. Hell, Stonehenge would have had a Visitor Centre 30 years ago. My God, we wouldn't have had to put up with Mark Hateley being a "Footballing God", he'd have just been another ex skate.

 

Oh and while we are at it why the fook did we have to put up with the bloody sheep sh@ggers & the damned Irish blowing up our Horses?

 

(This rant has nothing to do with the fact that I need to get admission to Scotland without a Jock Passport next Saturday)

[SuperMikey]

*sigh*

 

Of course it's been that recent.

1. Because the media have suddenly jumped all over it so you need to know how to answer, if asked

2. Because the analysis has just been finalised, or even re-finalised just in case they weren't happy (and that has happened)

3. Tell you all too early and you forget what to say, so tell you nearer the time and you can answer

 

I work at the other end, generally not last to know - Jaxx, let's chat (Okay I haven't been there since 2009 and at 38, it'd be weird, but it still amuses me)

 

Can't disagree with those points, but several companies have all come out of the woodwork at the same time and announced these plans. Of course it's all linked back to the push for a No vote - politician power hasn't worked so threaten people's pensions and livelihoods instead. They're legitimate concerns, but what annoys me is the fact that "Call Me" Dave has clearly picked up the phone to some of his mates and called in a favour. The SNP has a bad reputation for bullying businesses which can't help either, but it just seems like the "establishment" (I cringed when I typed that, don't worry) are pushing people down with threats. It was always going to happen, but it's frustrating to be thwarted by that.

 

Also, I don't think you could pay me to go to Jaxx - what a sh!thole! Don't think i've been there since about that time either. Did we meet there or something?

[Lord Duckhunter]

I thought it had been established by the BBC that Cameron met with the retailers who came out and mentioned prices. I heard on 5live that a number 10 spokesmen admitted they had met in number 10 the past couple of days, but denied Cameron asked then for the statements. One hell of a ****ing coincidence that is.

 

Salmonds going to have a lot of his personal life checked out over the next few days. The establishment are closing ranks.

 

I dread to think what stunts the establishment are going to pull when it comes to an EU referendum .

[Minsk]

Why can foreigners living in Scotland vote but Scots living outside of Scotland can't?????

[Viking Warrior]

Minsk there are lots of Scottish forces based out Scotland who are not eligible to vote as they have not lived or been based in Scotland for the qualifying period. My information come from forces websites and military friends.

As for your comment re foreigners . Im told that eu people who have lived in Scotland during the residential qualifying even though they have gone back to their own country . Still get to vote ,

It was mentioned when the the referendum first kicked off . But to be fair to the Scot gov they have to set guidelines as to who can / cannot vote based on the electoral roll of Scotland .

[CB Saint]

Can't disagree with those points, but several companies have all come out of the woodwork at the same time and announced these plans. Of course it's all linked back to the push for a No vote - politician power hasn't worked so threaten people's pensions and livelihoods instead. They're legitimate concerns, but what annoys me is the fact that "Call Me" Dave has clearly picked up the phone to some of his mates and called in a favour. The SNP has a bad reputation for bullying businesses which can't help either, but it just seems like the "establishment" (I cringed when I typed that, don't worry) are pushing people down with threats. It was always going to happen, but it's frustrating to be thwarted by that.

 

Also, I don't think you could pay me to go to Jaxx - what a sh!thole! Don't think i've been there since about that time either. Did we meet there or something?

 

i think it is a bit naive to say that "Dave" can just pick up the phone and rally the captains of industry to his banner to dance to his tune. All big business cares about is shareholder value (primarily because the boards pay is linked to it). If they are coming out now in support of a "no" vote then it is a) because they are being asked by the journos because the referendum is next week, and b) they think it is in their shareholders best interest (and theirs) to get a "no" vote.

 

aberdeen asset management support the yes vote. Why? Not because of some ideological ideal, but because they are the largest asset manager in Scotland and stand to make bigger fortune as they will be able to dominate the market - something they cannot do now.

[pap]

A bit of a reminder of how we got here.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/11/alex-salmond-scottish-independence-referendum-david-cameron

 

the first minister's sights were once set on what we now call Devo-Max – greater devolved powers for Edinburgh, rather than the SNP's formal goal of full independence from the rest of the UK (rUK).

 

...

 

All sorts of people, including the Guardian's intrepid Scotland correspondent, Severin Carrell, get a raspberry whenever they point this out. The veteran Scottish commentator, Magnus Linklater, did so again in the Times this week when he wrote that a yes win would be the result "neither side wants ... a crisis that both Cameron and Salmond would like to avoid" – not least because Salmond the economist knows the myriad risks an independent Scotland would face.

 

 

Linklater's argument reflects what I was told by a prominent public official and acknowledged expert on the detailed background to the drama – a pro-devolution, anti-independence Scot, incidentally. The way he tells it is: "Alex Salmond did not want to have this referendum in the first place. The promise was in his 2011 manifesto for the Holyrood elections, which he did not expect to win. He was saddled with it."

 

 

Shoulda just given 'em devo max, Dave!

[revolution saint]

i think it is a bit naive to say that "Dave" can just pick up the phone and rally the captains of industry to his banner to dance to his tune. All big business cares about is shareholder value (primarily because the boards pay is linked to it). If they are coming out now in support of a "no" vote then it is a) because they are being asked by the journos because the referendum is next week, and b) they think it is in their shareholders best interest (and theirs) to get a "no" vote.

 

aberdeen asset management support the yes vote. Why? Not because of some ideological ideal, but because they are the largest asset manager in Scotland and stand to make bigger fortune as they will be able to dominate the market - something they cannot do now.

 

They'll probably get some sort of favour returned at some point, or maybe Dave is just calling his favours in. Either that or a knighthood. Normally the way things work.

[Batman]

A bit of a reminder of how we got here.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/11/alex-salmond-scottish-independence-referendum-david-cameron

 

 

 

Shoulda just given 'em devo max, Dave!

 

if it was not a YES/NO, it will demanded soon in the future

this way, it will be settled for our lifetimes, anyway

[Patrick Bateman]

Can't disagree with those points, but several companies have all come out of the woodwork at the same time and announced these plans. Of course it's all linked back to the push for a No vote - politician power hasn't worked so threaten people's pensions and livelihoods instead. They're legitimate concerns, but what annoys me is the fact that "Call Me" Dave has clearly picked up the phone to some of his mates and called in a favour. The SNP has a bad reputation for bullying businesses which can't help either, but it just seems like the "establishment" (I cringed when I typed that, don't worry) are pushing people down with threats. It was always going to happen, but it's frustrating to be thwarted by that.

 

Also, I don't think you could pay me to go to Jaxx - what a sh!thole! Don't think i've been there since about that time either. Did we meet there or something?

 

Hah! No, I have only been there once, when I first moved to the area - just remembered you were from here that's all!

 

Agree with what you're saying as well. I now have no argument to come back with

[TopGun]

A close vote won't settle it as it will just bubble away as the nationalists campaign for another vote in a few years.

[Patrick Bateman]

A close vote won't settle it as it will just bubble away as the nationalists campaign for another vote in a few years.

 

That's the problem now - if they vote 'no', then all of a sudden, they'll start up a new campaign for a new vote and all the while, Westminster will be bending over backwards to give them the world free, while the rets of us pay for it ...

[Lord Duckhunter]

Why can foreigners living in Scotland vote but Scots living outside of Scotland can't?????

 

I read that of the 11 Scots who started against Germany the other night, only 1 is able to vote.

[Minsk]

I read that of the 11 Scots who started against Germany the other night, only 1 is able to vote.

 

The others obviously aren't Scottish enough..... (rolly eyed thing)

 

Crazy isn't it?

 

Part of me wants us to stay together; yet part of me hopes the yes vote wins and they live to regret it.

[Patrick Bateman]

If they bugger off (fingers crossed), do we get a new bank holiday to celebrate?

[Lord Duckhunter]

Alex Ferguson can't vote, but if he registered in time ,Jake Sinclair would be able to.

[aintforever]

A yes vote should be good for the shipyards in Portsmouth, they are bound to be given the contracts that were awarded to Glasgow. We can't have a foreign country maintaining our warships.

[buctootim]

Bit of an English backlash against all the fawning and bending over backwards for the Scots. I can see UKIP reforming into the English Independence party and campaigning for an English parliament.

[pap]

A yes vote should be good for the shipyards in Portsmouth, they are bound to be given the contracts that were awarded to Glasgow. We can't have a foreign country maintaining our warships.

 

And yet, we'll let the US supply large parts of our "independent nuclear deterrent", despite being at war with them 202 years ago

[Wes Tender]

The more I hear if the Yes vote goes through, Jobs will move south to England. That will help the unemployment figures and consequently the amount paid out in benefits in England. Do we get to repatriate anyone Scottish if they do not have a work visa, until they have joined the EU. If the resident Scots are allowed to stay with visas will they have to take the cricket test to prove their loyalty to England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

 

This is very pertinent. As you say, in the event of a yes vote, Scotland becomes an independent country and any Scottish citizens living here should have to apply for a visa to stay. After a period of several years, they might be granted an Indefinite Leave to Remain Visa on payment of a considerable sum of money and having passed a "Life in England test" with such questions on English history demonstrating knowledge of such events as the battles of Flodden, Dunbar and Culloden for example. As the British passport would not be relevant, they would then have to take out English Citizenship in order to qualify for any form of state aid or access to the Health Service.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

So, can someone outline the potential issues this will cause the British IF they vote yes?

[Unbelievable Jeff]

What I find funny is that with the vote on this likely to be so close, there are going to be A LOT of unhappy people either way,

[Halo Stickman]

This is very pertinent. As you say, in the event of a yes vote, Scotland becomes an independent country and any Scottish citizens living here should have to apply for a visa to stay. After a period of several years, they might be granted an Indefinite Leave to Remain Visa on payment of a considerable sum of money and having passed a "Life in England test" with such questions on English history demonstrating knowledge of such events as the battles of Flodden, Dunbar and Culloden for example. As the British passport would not be relevant, they would then have to take out English Citizenship in order to qualify for any form of state aid or access to the Health Service.

 

Like it

[buctootim]

Scotlands biggest employers are supermarket chains, financial services, public services and call centres. They are disproportionately large because they service the whole of the UK. If they go independent companies will inevitably relocate to where most of their customers are - in England. In the short term Scotland would be fine, not much change, but 10 years down the line when the oil income has declined further and private, military and other gov department jobs have relocated south you can envisage big public services cuts and high unemployment.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/tesco-named-biggest-private-sector-2355660

Edited 12 September, 2014 by buctootim

[Verbal]

This is very pertinent. As you say, in the event of a yes vote, Scotland becomes an independent country and any Scottish citizens living here should have to apply for a visa to stay. After a period of several years, they might be granted an Indefinite Leave to Remain Visa on payment of a considerable sum of money and having passed a "Life in England test" with such questions on English history demonstrating knowledge of such events as the battles of Flodden, Dunbar and Culloden for example. As the British passport would not be relevant, they would then have to take out English Citizenship in order to qualify for any form of state aid or access to the Health Service.

 

An entertaining fantasy, but a fantasy nonetheless. And ultimately redundant. I personally would like to see a Yes vote, but there's no way there'll be one.

[The9]

This is very pertinent. As you say, in the event of a yes vote, Scotland becomes an independent country and any Scottish citizens living here should have to apply for a visa to stay. After a period of several years, they might be granted an Indefinite Leave to Remain Visa on payment of a considerable sum of money and having passed a "Life in England test" with such questions on English history demonstrating knowledge of such events as the battles of Flodden, Dunbar and Culloden for example. As the British passport would not be relevant, they would then have to take out English Citizenship in order to qualify for any form of state aid or access to the Health Service.

 

Yeah, because Scotland wouldn't be in the EU with all the freedoms of movement etc (or at the very least retain all those privileges in the handover), right? At worst they'd need an E111/EHIC and they already have a separate NHS Trust for Scotland.

 

PS It would have to be an English and Welsh and Northern Irish citizenship test... you're getting England confused with Britain, with or without Scotland. It's a very English thing to do.