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Sir Ralph

Sir Ralph

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10 hours ago, pingpong said:

Trump was disappointed that it wasn't an immigrant, but relieved that they might be trans, so we can look forward to some deft political quotes from him in the coming day or two.

Firstly this is obviously incredibly sad. 
 

It’s strange that is your first comment on this issue - what Trump would say! It seems a bit obsessional in the context.

 

This was what appears to be a mentally unstable person who is trans with anti Trump, anti semitic and Free Palestine words written on his weapons among other similar slogans. The police has confirmed it’s an anti Catholic hate crime.

However, I suspect if this was a straight white red neck who had walked into a Mosque with pro Trump and IDF comments written everywhere and killed 20 kids you would have something to say about them and why they did it and how appalling it was (which it most definitely would be for clarity). In such an instance their background and motivation for undertaking that action would be absolutely relevant in your eyes (and mine also).

Therefore it’s not rationale for this persons background and motivation to not be commented on or of relevance as that would apply double standards.
 

Whatever Trump says is relatively immaterial to the issue as a whole. The fact that 20 kids have been killed is incredibly sad and the motive and background of the killer are relevant, however. Maybe start there…

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Sir Ralph

Sir Ralph

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2 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

Firstly this is obviously incredibly sad. 
 

It’s strange that is your first comment on this issue - what Trump would say! It seems a bit obsessional in the context.

 

This was what appears to be a mentally unstable person who is trans with anti Trump, anti semitic and Free Palestine words written on his weapons among other similar slogans. The police has confirmed it’s an anti Catholic hate crime.

However, I suspect if this was a straight white red neck who had walked into a Mosque with pro Trump and IDF comments written everywhere and killed 20 kids you would have something to say about them and why they did it and how appalling it was (which it most definitely would be for clarity). In such an instance their background and motivation for undertaking that action would be absolutely relevant in your eyes (and mine also).

Therefore it’s not rationale for this persons background and motivation to not be commented on or of relevance as that would apply double standards.
 

Whatever Trump says is relatively immaterial to the issue as a whole. The fact that 20 kids have been killed is incredibly sad and the motive and background of the killer are relevant, however. Maybe start there…

@sadoldgit assume the confusion is you don’t understand the point?

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badgerx16

badgerx16

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8 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

My confusion has arisen by your claim that 20 kids were killed. Your grasp of facts seems as tenuous as Donald Trump’s.

20 were shot. 

sadoldgit

sadoldgit

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6 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

20 were shot. 

I know. He said 20 were killed.

10 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

Firstly this is obviously incredibly sad. 
 

It’s strange that is your first comment on this issue - what Trump would say! It seems a bit obsessional in the context.

 

This was what appears to be a mentally unstable person who is trans with anti Trump, anti semitic and Free Palestine words written on his weapons among other similar slogans. The police has confirmed it’s an anti Catholic hate crime.

However, I suspect if this was a straight white red neck who had walked into a Mosque with pro Trump and IDF comments written everywhere and killed 20 kids you would have something to say about them and why they did it and how appalling it was (which it most definitely would be for clarity). In such an instance their background and motivation for undertaking that action would be absolutely relevant in your eyes (and mine also).

Therefore it’s not rationale for this persons background and motivation to not be commented on or of relevance as that would apply double standards.
 

Whatever Trump says is relatively immaterial to the issue as a whole. The fact that 20 kids have been killed is incredibly sad and the motive and background of the killer are relevant, however. Maybe start there…

 

Sir Ralph

Sir Ralph

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11 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I know. He said 20 were killed.

 

Ok I got that bit wrong - 20 shot rather than killed
 

The point I was making was that someone was focusing on what Trump would say about it because the person is trans and I was pointing out that was an unusual point to highlight and the application of double standards that would have been applied on here if someone of a different profile had done the shooting. It highlights the bias that was being applied. That was the key point and the 20 shot or killed by no means invalidates the point I made.
 

I have often noted that when people don’t have a response to a point they pick up a secondary point to highlight as a distraction tactic to the key point they can’t respond to. Just an observation.

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badgerx16

badgerx16

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The CEO of United Healthcare was murdered last year by a man who had had a healthcare claim refused. Subsequent to the murder, the company increased the percentage of claims it approved.

The Board are now being sued by shareholders because the increase in payouts has reduced the profits forecast, and hence the potentiual dividends.

 

Capitalism in it's purest form.

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Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

The CEO of United Healthcare was murdered last year by a man who had had a healthcare claim refused. Subsequent to the murder, the company increased the percentage of claims it approved.

The Board are now being sued by shareholders because the increase in payouts has reduced the profits forecast, and hence the potentiual dividends.

 

Capitalism in it's purest form.

Yep, and think IEA, Truss, Tice and other Friedman zealots want us to be more like them rather than like Europe. 

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whelk

whelk

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The 3 part Katrina documentary on Netflix is worth a watch. American exceptionalism my arse. Some disgraceful racism on show

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Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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7 hours ago, whelk said:

The 3 part Katrina documentary on Netflix is worth a watch. American exceptionalism my arse. Some disgraceful racism on show

Louisiana was a very racist state even before that, even by Southern standards 

 

 

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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15 hours ago, Dark Munster said:

Full of americans Republicans.

I find it bizarre that any sane person in this country would support either political parties in the US. There are some absolute crazy loons on both sides of the political divide over there, certainly more extreme than anything mainstream we have over here. 

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The Kraken

The Kraken

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10 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I find it bizarre that any sane person in this country would support either political parties in the US. There are some absolute crazy loons on both sides of the political divide over there, certainly more extreme than anything mainstream we have over here. 

I haven’t been for a couple of decades now but in my younger years I used to travel to USA a lot with work, I went all over the country. No matter where I was always surprised at how entrenched in their political support a lot of them are. “We’re a republican family and always will be” and such like. In fact, quite proud of the fact that they don’t float votes very often if at all. As someone who has voted blue, red and yellow (and none of the above) at least once in my life, I found it pretty surprising.

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Dark Munster

Dark Munster

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1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

I find it bizarre that any sane person in this country would support either political parties in the US. There are some absolute crazy loons on both sides of the political divide over there, certainly more extreme than anything mainstream we have over here. 

I can name dozens of Republicans in Congress who are crazy loons (not to mention their Dear Leader).

Democrats aren't angels (who is?) but can you name one who you think is a crazy loon?

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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1 hour ago, Dark Munster said:

I can name dozens of Republicans in Congress who are crazy loons (not to mention their Dear Leader).

Democrats aren't angels (who is?) but can you name one who you think is a crazy loon?

Land acknowledgements are batshit mental a few of them have done that. Cori Bush has called for defunding the police which is crazy loon behaviour. AOC also has some pretty fringe views. Loads of them think men should be in women's sport. Point is both parties have some nutters in them. 

The Kraken

The Kraken

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30 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Land acknowledgements are batshit mental a few of them have done that. Cori Bush has called for defunding the police which is crazy loon behaviour. AOC also has some pretty fringe views. Loads of them think men should be in women's sport. Point is both parties have some nutters in them. 

Which fringe views does AOC have?

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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44 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Which fringe views does AOC have?

Phasing out fossil fuel use entirely in America by 2030 is a fringe view.

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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30 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

You said some. I thought there might be more. Oh well.

She sounds awful.

Slightly odd response. I assume you agree with the other things I'd described as loony? And you agree that scrapping fossil fuels by 2030 is fringe? Arguably abolishing billionaires and guaranteeing jobs for everyone are views not shared by the mainstream.

Ted Bates Statue

Ted Bates Statue

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15 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Point is both parties have some nutters in them. 

Sure, but only one party seems to have had its lunatics take over their asylum. They are not on the same level by any stretch of the imagination.

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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2 hours ago, Ted Bates Statue said:

Sure, but only one party seems to have had its lunatics take over their asylum. They are not on the same level by any stretch of the imagination.

I wasn't comparing political parties. I simply said that there are some crazy loons in both political parties with fringe views and I find it odd that sane Brits could support them. It seems that some are indignant that I'd said that but I don't see much challenge that what I posted does amount to some looney and quite fringe views so what I said was correct.

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east-stand-nic

east-stand-nic

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15 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

The fact that their president is a nonce

You mean the previous president. The child hair sniffer and toucher yes? Once again/yet again, your silly bias toward certain people makes you look the tosser that you are. 

 

Edit, funny as fuck to see you mess up. people in glass houses thick boy. Why do you not just give up? I get you every time. 

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tdmickey3

tdmickey3

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1 hour ago, east-stand-nic said:

You mean the previous president. The child hair sniffer and toucher yes? Once again/yet again, your silly boas toward certain people makes you look the tosser that you are. 

What is boas? 😂

You real are thick as shit 

 

 

bpsaint

bpsaint

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Posted
1 minute ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

Just seen the footage. Doesn't look good at all unfortunately.

Indeed, he’d have been gone in seconds judging by that footage.

Ted Bates Statue

Ted Bates Statue

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It's deeply unpleasant to see political differences playing out in this manner, but I'm still surprised this doesn't happen more often over there. Charlie Kirk has been well known for shrugging off gun deaths in America, although he might struggle on this occasion. 

The only other vaguely similar instance I can think of was when someone apologised for having the nerve to get shot by Dick Cheney.

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Saint_clark

Saint_clark

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16 minutes ago, Ted Bates Statue said:

It's deeply unpleasant to see political differences playing out in this manner, but I'm still surprised this doesn't happen more often over there. Charlie Kirk has been well known for shrugging off gun deaths in America, although he might struggle on this occasion. 

The only other vaguely similar instance I can think of was when someone apologised for having the nerve to get shot by Dick Cheney.

Charlie Kirk was idolised by the right over there. This is going to spark off a series of retaliatory attacks. Stopping that requires Trump to come out and calm things down which...doesn't bode well. 

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Saint_clark

Saint_clark

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2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Fucking hell the video is horrible.

Crazy isn't it. Makes you wonder if he even had time to register what was happening. He would have been unconscious within 10 seconds.

Wiggles31

Wiggles31

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2 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Charlie Kirk was idolised by the right over there. This is going to spark off a series of retaliatory attacks. Stopping that requires Trump to come out and calm things down which...doesn't bode well. 

George Floyd levels of chaos about to hit America.  

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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6 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Crazy isn't it. Makes you wonder if he even had time to register what was happening. He would have been unconscious within 10 seconds.

Two young kids as well. American gun culture is fucked up.

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whelk

whelk

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4 hours ago, Ted Bates Statue said:

but I'm still surprised this doesn't happen more often over there

Yes considering how hateful the rhetoric is on both sides and how deeply violent US culture is, with easy access to weaponry, I am too.

Only needs one person to be unhinged, and I imagine  millions slip through the mental health system too, 

Unfortunately this will be used to stoke the culture war rather than be any sort of epiphany

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JohnnyShearer2.0

JohnnyShearer2.0

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3 hours ago, whelk said:

Yes considering how hateful the rhetoric is on both sides and how deeply violent US culture is, with easy access to weaponry, I am too.

Only needs one person to be unhinged, and I imagine  millions slip through the mental health system too, 

Unfortunately this will be used to stoke the culture war rather than be any sort of epiphany

Agreed there is no decorum. Also feel that the current government will amplify what's happened here and then go hard on the left. 

Trump had no empathy for anyone and he has shown plenty of disdain for others.

Situation requires sensible and calm approaches from all.

 

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Saint_clark

Saint_clark

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3 minutes ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

Agreed there is no decorum. Also feel that the current government will amplify what's happened here and then go hard on the left. 

Trump had no empathy for anyone and he has shown plenty of disdain for others.

Situation requires sensible and calm approaches from all.

 

I'm not so sure they will. Kirk was revered by the right over there and seen by many as a potential future republican candidate for the Presidency. If they don't handle this correctly and calm things down, the tit for tat attacks will continue until it's basically open season on high profile figures - it's not far away from that already. 

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benjii

benjii

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23 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

I'm not so sure they will. Kirk was revered by the right over there and seen by many as a potential future republican candidate for the Presidency. If they don't handle this correctly and calm things down, the tit for tat attacks will continue until it's basically open season on high profile figures - it's not far away from that already. 

That suits Trump though. 

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