Saint_Ash Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Deal done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 I work in comms too, hence how I know. If you make a journalist look like a fool, it could come back to haunt you. Oh please. Journalists are many things but they're not such delicate flowers. Besides, there's a hierarchy of journos, in football reporting as in anything else; if you're 'in comms' you should know that. On topic, I hope to hell this signing happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Oh please. Journalists are many things but they're not such delicate flowers. Besides, there's a hierarchy of journos, in football reporting as in anything else; if you're 'in comms' you should know that. On topic, I hope to hell this signing happens. Most journos, I know, have long memories and thin skin. A prI ckly, narcissistic bunch as you're likely to meet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Deal done Cheers Glasgow, proving your ITK status here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 (edited) Can you link to an article from Crook that provides evidence that he has good football contacts and isn't a rehash of something someone else has put on the internet for him to source and not credit? Could you write a book or run a news agency if you didn't have contacts? You wouldn't get very far. You didn't answer my question. There is a big difference between contacting ex Saints players asking them to recount their favourite game and having good current contacts at the club or agents who feed you things. Edited 12 July, 2015 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Still will feel disappointed if we sign Clasie as a Morgan replacement, maybe has the vision.. but just not the defensive capabilities. I'm welcome to be proved wrong though. You don't need to be proved wrong. We don't need two holding midfielders. Having Scheiderlin and Wanyama was always a huge luxury defensively, but came at the expense of attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 (edited) We don't need two holding midfielders. Having Scheiderlin and Wanyama was always a huge luxury defensively, but came at the expense of attack. If using a 4-2-3-1 you need two defensive minded players in central midfield in order to allow for very attacking fullbacks and the creative freedom of the attacking midfielders. If we regularly played with a more attacking player alongside Wanyama we'd be exposed defensively and would cost us points. Last season in the Premier League Southampton had the... - 2nd best defensive record - 6th best goalscoring record - 5th best goal difference The system we used last season clearly worked well. Edited 12 July, 2015 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 https://twitter.com/alex_crook/status/620194705591111680 Talks between Jordy Clasie's representatives and Ronald Koeman have been taking place in Austria today. Deal will happen #saintsfc This is journalism at its worth. Ronald flew back with the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 This is journalism at its worth. Ronald flew back with the team. I'm taking it you didn't bother reading any of the previous posts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 I'm taking it you didn't bother reading any of the previous posts? You would be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Any chance we can have a thread that just slags journos off then we can keep these type of threads **** free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 I just hope he's worth it. Having not seen him play a second of football I'm relying on these legions of **** journalists who tell me he's pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Sounds like this one will move fairly quickly from now if we are going to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 If using a 4-2-3-1 you need two defensive minded players in central midfield in order to allow for very attacking fullbacks and the creative freedom of the attacking midfielders. If we regularly played with a more attacking player alongside Wanyama we'd be exposed defensively and would cost us points. Last season in the Premier League Southampton had the... - 2nd best defensive record - 6th best goalscoring record - 5th best goal difference The system we used last season clearly worked well. You'd be right if the third central midfielder in our system was an out-and-out attacker, but Davis and JWP both play as 'water-carriers' in the Deschamps mould, rather than as number 10s, contributing a lot more to pressing/harrying in the middle and defensive thirds than they do to creating/scoring up front (yes, JWP's 6 assists are promising, but no, they don't disprove my point). Surely you can also accept that our 6th place goalscoring record was rather burnished by two very large home wins against defensively frail opposition, which have contrived to disguise our less-than-stellar back-end to the season, when, for example, we managed a solitary goal in five league games during February? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Lol this dude is shorter than Marian Pahars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 (edited) Lol this dude is shorter than Marian Pahars So were Alan Ball, and Xavi. But Classie is 1" taller than Paul Scholes. Providing we don't become a team of midgets I'm not too worried about it as far as Classie is concerned, he'll bring a lot to the team. Edited 12 July, 2015 by Badger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 You'd be right if the third central midfielder in our system was an out-and-out attacker, but Davis and JWP both play as 'water-carriers' in the Deschamps mould, rather than as number 10s, contributing a lot more to pressing/harrying in the middle and defensive thirds than they do to creating/scoring up front (yes, JWP's 6 assists are promising, but no, they don't disprove my point). Surely you can also accept that our 6th place goalscoring record was rather burnished by two very large home wins against defensively frail opposition, which have contrived to disguise our less-than-stellar back-end to the season, when, for example, we managed a solitary goal in five league games during February? No he can't. That's why he persistently ignores it and only answers the questions he, yet nobody else, asks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max_saints Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 We need more Youtube videos to push this through! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Logan Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Absolute steel if we pull this off for the rumoured £10m........check out scout nation on you tube......this guy has great vision, positional awareness, tenacity and passing ability.....and just 24 yrs old........#Awesomesigning#WeMarchOn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 You would be right. Thought so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 http://www.vi.nl/web/nieuws/opvolger-clasie-imponeert-als-feyenoordregisseur.htm?channel=phone €10m apparently. So about £7.2m. Seems low! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 http://www.vi.nl/web/nieuws/opvolger-clasie-imponeert-als-feyenoordregisseur.htm?channel=phone €10m apparently. So about £7.2m. Seems low! I imagine there are a few clauses in that, which will bump it up a bit. But that really is a snip, when you consider someone like Rodwell set Sunderland back £12m last summer. Sounds like this is now moving very, very fast though. Going by the rate it's going, I'd say we could see an announcement early next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 I imagine there are a few clauses in that, which will bump it up a bit. But that really is a snip, when you consider someone like Rodwell set Sunderland back £12m last summer. Sounds like this is now moving very, very fast though. Going by the rate it's going, I'd say we could see an announcement early next week. Also for Saints they will basically make approx 12m on Morgan even after having replaced him. Should be able to fund a decent CB and maybe another CM from that. Another summer where we quite possibly will have improved the squad without actually spending any money other than what we have received through sales. With the bumper TV cash and a good finish last season, we must be making a decent bit of cash which is a good model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 We need more Youtube videos to push this through! Looks way better going forward then Morgan, probably leave us a bit more exposed at the back but that's what Vic's there for so meh, we need someone who can open defenses up a bit more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0108787 Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Is it just me or is he nothing like Morgan? Looks more box to box / AM... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Is it just me or is he nothing like Morgan? Looks more box to box / AM... Don't let that video misguide you, Clasie doesn't appear that much in the opponents box in reality and he seldomly shoots at the opponents goal, let alone scoring a goal... He is an outstanding DM for Feyenoord however and like someone else wrote above: he has vision and passing ability. He deserves a move to a better competition in order to make progress and if it's going to be the PL, Southampton would be the right club for him because of Koeman and because of the way the Saints like to play and how the team is build up. I only hope that the Saints will pay at least 9 million pounds because he's surely worth it and because Feyenoord needs the money to get replacements for the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 What we desperately lack is a midfielder who can pick out the runs of our forwards to like to try and get in behind (JRod and Mane in particular). Clasie appear to have that in his locker in abundance. He is also decent in the CDM stats too. Would be very happy if we signed him. That would be 3 young international (Holland, Portugal and Spain) signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 What a vile, arrogant club Feyehampton are. Why do they think they can just pick off our players as and when it suits them? They should develop their own. I don't mind Claise leaving but to anyone but them. They got our manager and our centre forward now they're taking the p*ss. Feyehampton clearly lack the imagination to develop their own strategy and system so they are stealing ours. Horrible arrogant club with deluded fans. Genuine lol on the train home there and got some funny looks. Still makes a change from burnampton Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Ah the obligatory YouTube clips. That didn't take long! Steve de Ridder looks quite good in some videos I've seen, let's give him another go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totton Sotton Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Least he can pick a pass out. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Rabbit Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Ah the obligatory YouTube clips. That didn't take long! Steve de Ridder looks quite good in some videos I've seen, let's give him another go... SDR wasn't (and still isn't!) a well capped international with World Cup semi finals and champions league experience. We're buying quality here...he doesn't really need any videos for validation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Don't let that video misguide you, Clasie doesn't appear that much in the opponents box in reality and he seldomly shoots at the opponents goal, let alone scoring a goal... He is an outstanding DM for Feyenoord however and like someone else wrote above: he has vision and passing ability. He deserves a move to a better competition in order to make progress and if it's going to be the PL, Southampton would be the right club for him because of Koeman and because of the way the Saints like to play and how the team is build up. I only hope that the Saints will pay at least 9 million pounds because he's surely worth it and because Feyenoord needs the money to get replacements for the defense. From what I've seen £9 million would be a bargain for us! Would leave more than half the Schneiderlin money for a new CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Clasie is quality but like all oversea's players it will take him a few games to get up to speed with the league so give him 5 games as the speed will be dramatic but he is a warrior so will make sure he wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 From what I've seen £9 million would be a bargain for us! Would leave more than half the Schneiderlin money for a new CB Yup, it's way to less and it's clear example of Dutch football going down hill. An even better example was Luiz Suarez who was bought for 18 million pounds by Liverpool while they bought Andy Carroll for 28m I believe. There's one exception and that is Daley Blind. Manu payed way too much due to van Gaal off course... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 From what i've seen of him he's the key cog in Feyenoord's midfield, same as Schneiderlin is for us. He has a different set of attributes to Morgan but he is undoubtedly a quality player and I think he could flourish here. As for where he'd fit into our team, that's a slightly different matter. His lack of physicality is one downside but tbh he doesn't need to be 6'5" and built like a sh!thouse to perform well in his role. A compromise might be to change our style and formation slightly to fit in with this. On the last day against Man City we switched to almost a 4-1-4-1 formation when JWP came on which worked pretty well and nearly allowed us to snatch a result at the Etihad. I could see him fitting into that kind of formation as it would allow him more protection: -------------STEKELENBURG------------ CEDRIC----FONTE----NEW CB----B'RAND --------------WANYAMA--------------- JAYROD---CLASIE----PROWSEY---MANE ----------------PELLE----------------- I quite like that formation because it can give us the solidity of a flat 4 in midfield (with an anchor man behind) for when we're under siege, but also the fluidity to become a 4-3-3 when on the attack as the wingers push up to support the striker. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 From what i've seen of him he's the key cog in Feyenoord's midfield, same as Schneiderlin is for us. He has a different set of attributes to Morgan but he is undoubtedly a quality player and I think he could flourish here. As for where he'd fit into our team, that's a slightly different matter. His lack of physicality is one downside but tbh he doesn't need to be 6'5" and built like a sh!thouse to perform well in his role. A compromise might be to change our style and formation slightly to fit in with this. On the last day against Man City we switched to almost a 4-1-4-1 formation when JWP came on which worked pretty well and nearly allowed us to snatch a result at the Etihad. I could see him fitting into that kind of formation as it would allow him more protection: -------------STEKELENBURG------------ CEDRIC----FONTE----NEW CB----B'RAND --------------WANYAMA--------------- JAYROD---CLASIE----PROWSEY---MANE ----------------PELLE----------------- I quite like that formation because it can give us the solidity of a flat 4 in midfield (with an anchor man behind) for when we're under siege, but also the fluidity to become a 4-3-3 when on the attack as the wingers push up to support the striker. Thoughts? Interesting but I'd swap JWP for Tadic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 All this talk of Schniederlin money did I miss his sale over the weekend. With Manure getting Schwiensteiger (sp) are they still looking at Morgan. Have we had bids that we will accept yet. Perhaps he is being purchased as an addition than a replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Patrik Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 When this thread is Sticky then it's getting close ; ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZuess1979 the 2nd Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Height never troubled Messi !!! And he'd up our tattoo quota He was the one signing I wanted, but why do I have a horrible feeling Spurs or Liverpool will join in on this one in the near future !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 All this talk of Schniederlin money did I miss his sale over the weekend. With Manure getting Schwiensteiger (sp) are they still looking at Morgan. Have we had bids that we will accept yet. Perhaps he is being purchased as an addition than a replacement. According to De Telegraf deal for Morgan completed tomorrow. .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shance Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 If using a 4-2-3-1 you need two defensive minded players in central midfield in order to allow for very attacking fullbacks and the creative freedom of the attacking midfielders. If we regularly played with a more attacking player alongside Wanyama we'd be exposed defensively and would cost us points. Last season in the Premier League Southampton had the... - 2nd best defensive record - 6th best goalscoring record - 5th best goal difference The system we used last season clearly worked well. No you don't, it's a myth. What you need more than anything in midfield in a 4231 is balance. IMO it works much better with a double pivot next to a destroyer. Or even a box to box next to Wanyama. Someone in the mold of Cambiasso in his peak days would be good next to Wanyama. Chelsea use the double pivot to perfection imo. Matic usually sits deeper to allow Fabregas to start attacks from deep. Modric is another fine example of that sort of player. Yes two defensive minded cm worked very well for us but we suffered in attack at times, especially against teams that played a high line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 If we buy Clasie, we'd also be after another CM? As with Wanyama out injured or suspended, that leaves us very lightweight in midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 No you don't, it's a myth. What you need more than anything in midfield in a 4231 is balance. IMO it works much better with a double pivot next to a destroyer. Or even a box to box next to Wanyama. Someone in the mold of Cambiasso in his peak days would be good next to Wanyama. Chelsea use the double pivot to perfection imo. Matic usually sits deeper to allow Fabregas to start attacks from deep. Modric is another fine example of that sort of player. Yes two defensive minded cm worked very well for us but we suffered in attack at times, especially against teams that played a high line. Completely agree with this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Having Scheiderlin and Wanyama was always a huge luxury defensively, but came at the expense of attack. If using a 4-2-3-1 you need two defensive minded players in central midfield in order to allow for very attacking fullbacks and the creative freedom of the attacking midfielders. If we regularly played with a more attacking player alongside Wanyama we'd be exposed defensively and would cost us points. Last season in the Premier League Southampton had the... - 2nd best defensive record - 6th best goalscoring record - 5th best goal difference The system we used last season clearly worked well. No you don't, it's a myth. What you need more than anything in midfield in a 4231 is balance. IMO it works much better with a double pivot next to a destroyer. Or even a box to box next to Wanyama. Someone in the mold of Cambiasso in his peak days would be good next to Wanyama. Chelsea use the double pivot to perfection imo. Matic usually sits deeper to allow Fabregas to start attacks from deep. Modric is another fine example of that sort of player. Yes two defensive minded cm worked very well for us but we suffered in attack at times, especially against teams that played a high line. Completely agree with this In Mourinho's system Chelsea's full backs aren't given the same license to attack that Southampton's are. This means it frees them to have a more attacking player alongside Matic as the fullbacks are less likely to be exposed. Southampton use Schnedierlin and Wanyama to cover for the fullbacks, take one of them out and it leaves Saints vulnerable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shance Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 In Mourinho's system Chelsea's full backs aren't given the same license to attack that Southampton's are. This means it frees them to have a more attacking player alongside Matic as the fullbacks are less likely to be exposed. Southampton use Schnedierlin and Wanyama to cover for the fullbacks, take one of them out and it leaves Saints vulnerable. Ivanovic is one of the most attack minded fullbacks in the league, as was Cole, Azpilicueta, Felipe luis ect. Like I said, you don't need two defensive minded midfielders in a 4231. It's about your fullbacks and midfielders having a good understanding of knowing when to press and when to sit back, tuck in etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Ivanovic is one of the most attack minded fullbacks in the league, as was Cole, Azpilicueta, Felipe luis ect. Like I said, you don't need two defensive minded midfielders in a 4231. It's about your fullbacks and midfielders having a good understanding of knowing when to press and when to sit back, tuck in etc. With Chelsea, it's about the willingness of the wide players to track back and cover the fullbacks. One reason why Mourinho famously preferred Oscar over Mata. That also freed up the central midfielders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 In Mourinho's system Chelsea's full backs aren't given the same license to attack that Southampton's are. This means it frees them to have a more attacking player alongside Matic as the fullbacks are less likely to be exposed. Southampton use Schnedierlin and Wanyama to cover for the fullbacks, take one of them out and it leaves Saints vulnerable. Ivanovic is one of the most attack minded fullbacks in the league, as was Cole, Azpilicueta, Felipe luis ect. Like I said, you don't need two defensive minded midfielders in a 4231. It's about your fullbacks and midfielders having a good understanding of knowing when to press and when to sit back, tuck in etc. I always find threads like this interesting when you have a discussion between run-of-the-mill fans (like me and most of the other posters on this thread) who know lots of facts but little about the mechanics of how the game works, and people like Shance who clearly have a deeper understanding of the sport. It makes for very asymmetric discussions like this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 We need more Youtube videos to push this through! Hadn't seen anything of him until this video. I have 2 comments: 1) he loves to set up a goal or 2. Very welcome. 2) he sports a good Mohawk which is surely a sign of a top quality player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 Hadn't seen anything of him until this video. I have 2 comments: 1) he loves to set up a goal or 2. Very welcome. 2) he sports a good Mohawk which is surely a sign of a top quality player Don't forget the sleeve tattoo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 12 July, 2015 Share Posted 12 July, 2015 This must be a Saints Web record that we've been linked with Clasie for a year and this is actually the 1st solo thread on him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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