Terrorist Attacks - WARNING: CONTAINS DISTRESSING IMAGES

[ecuk268]

32 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I thought they said there was no 'terrorist' link rather than 'political' link...

Isn't violence for political ends terrorism?

[hypochondriac]

2 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

That’s not entirely my impression. Raise the Colours activists got behind suspects online enmasse for attacks like this on a regular basis https://news.sky.com/story/council-pulls-down-large-number-of-flags-after-racist-park-attack-13441679

Plenty of support was found online for these incidents too https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/lamppost-flag-campaign-founder-charged-murder-5HjdZt2_2/ and this person was arrested at the Unite the Kingdom March https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx217901n00o

You could pull up examples of equal shittiness from the person at Aberdeen Uni, and some of the comments on Charlie Kirk at the time.

I find it equally vile and a serious illness on our democracy. The reporting doesn’t help often either in terms of enciting grievance on either side of the extreme margins. 

Let's be honest. If Nigel Farage was killed by some lunatic you wouldn't get anywhere near the reaction that we got for the horrible murder of Jo Cox for example. Many people would be suggesting he deserved it and the media response would be mixed at best. 

[trousers]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Let's be honest. If Nigel Farage was killed by some lunatic you wouldn't get anywhere near the reaction that we got for the horrible murder of Jo Cox for example. Many people would be suggesting he deserved it and the media response would be mixed at best. 

"He's one of those c***s, innit..."

[aintforever]

1 hour ago, egg said:

I thought they said not politically linked initially, but may be wrong. 

I thought they just said there was no evidence to suggest it was at that stage, or words to that effect. That obviously changes when they find evidence to the contrary and then they call in the anti-terrorism lot. Seems like standard procedure to me.

Edited July 21 by aintforever

[whelk]

10 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Let's be honest. If Nigel Farage was killed by some lunatic you wouldn't get anywhere near the reaction that we got for the horrible murder of Jo Cox for example. Many people would be suggesting he deserved it and the media response would be mixed at best. 

I don’t know what point you are making? Some people obviously polarise opinion more than others. I don’t think ‘many’ would be suggesting it would be deserved and is this just in your mind?

[hypochondriac]

16 minutes ago, whelk said:

I don’t know what point you are making? Some people obviously polarise opinion more than others. I don’t think ‘many’ would be suggesting it would be deserved and is this just in your mind?

Are you suggesting that we would have a similar reaction in general to the Jo Cox murder if Farage was killed in a similar fashion? 

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

Are you suggesting that we would have a similar reaction in general to the Jo Cox murder if Farage was killed in a similar fashion? 

there would be people literally dancing in the street if Farage left us, more so if taken by a lunatic.

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

there would be people literally dancing in the street if Farage left us, more so if taken by a lunatic.

If Jeremy Corbyn or Zack Polanski were horribly murdered I genuinely don't believe there would be much in the way of celebration or playing down the atrocity apart from perhaps a small minority. I am sure there would be a significant amount of that though were it to happen to someone like Farage. 

Edited July 22 by hypochondriac

[rallyboy]

I found Widdicombe to be a consistently offensive politician who went to great lengths to be really unpleasant to several sections of society.

And I'm quite happy to laugh at some of the darkest things, but some 'jokes' that are doing the rounds are not actually funny - for instance, It's Hammer Time! 😞

Really? A frail old lady is battered to death in her own kitchen by a fucking lunatic, I'm not really seeing the funny side.

[whelk]

34 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Are you suggesting that we would have a similar reaction in general to the Jo Cox murder if Farage was killed in a similar fashion? 

I think everyone but a few psychopaths would be appalled yes. 

[hypochondriac]

26 minutes ago, whelk said:

I think everyone but a few psychopaths would be appalled yes. 

Hopefully it never happens but if it did, I would be extremely surprised to see a similar reaction (and tributes to mark the ten year anniversary etc.) I'm surprised that you would think that the general reaction in public, in Parliament and in the media would generally be the same. 

[egg]

48 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Hopefully it never happens but if it did, I would be extremely surprised to see a similar reaction (and tributes to mark the ten year anniversary etc.) I'm surprised that you would think that the general reaction in public, in Parliament and in the media would generally be the same. 

I'm not sure what makes you think there'd be a different reaction to a brutal murder of a politician based on whether they're on the left or the right. I think this is a you issue. 

[AlexLaw76]

The delight outwardly shown when maggie popped her clogs is an indicator, for sure

[egg]

6 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

The delight outwardly shown when maggie popped her clogs is an indicator, for sure

If Starmer had died suddenly or in tragic circumstances, do you think the flag wavers would have mourned or celebrated his passing? We all know the answer, so let's stop with this 2 tier mourning bollox. 

[Gloucester Saint]

20 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Let's be honest. If Nigel Farage was killed by some lunatic you wouldn't get anywhere near the reaction that we got for the horrible murder of Jo Cox for example. Many people would be suggesting he deserved it and the media response would be mixed at best. 

I can’t control what others think but I certainly wouldn’t be celebrating and I don’t think when it came to it that all bar a small minority of ghouls who I’d rather not share oxygen with. Farage has got a partner and kids, Jo Cox had a partner and kids.

Hope the twat who made remarks online recently about Farage being shot gets prosecuted for hate.

And let’s not even go there on all of the various vile and hateful posts by Reform local candidates. 

Edited July 22 by Gloucester Saint

[Gloucester Saint]

7 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

The delight outwardly shown when maggie popped her clogs is an indicator, for sure

How many people actually was that though?

A few braindead wasters singing Ding Dong the Witch is Dead which got on the radio. Specifically LBC.

Probably no more than the Man City fans celebrating Bobby Charlton’s passing. Or people at Liv-Man U singing about Harold Shipman or Hillsborough. 

Proving beyond doubt that there are cunts on the right, cunts on the left and cunts at football grounds who don’t vote or have any idea about politics. Cunts on X or Facebook who wish cancer sufferers trying to fundraise for research to die (one of my friends received a string of these).

There are a small number of cunts and trolls everywhere.

Anyway, I’ve turned into @whelk and I can’t be stealing his mantle for efficient and effective use of the c-word. 

Edited July 22 by Gloucester Saint

[Gloucester Saint]

10 hours ago, whelk said:

I don’t know what point you are making? Some people obviously polarise opinion more than others. I don’t think ‘many’ would be suggesting it would be deserved and is this just in your mind?

Ann Widdecombe nearly got into the final of Strictly despite barely being able to dance. You don’t do that unless you have a pretty strong cross-party, and non-political following. There must have been people voting for her who had never engaged with politics. We did in the early rounds because it was fun to watch.

So this idea of a torrent of people gloating at her horrific murder is bollocks. Everyone I know is horrified of all stripes. Her politics are different but I liked her when I met her, a lot. Someone at work who met her a few times got on so well that they sent each other Christmas cards every year and their politics couldn’t be more different.

If people want to find ghouls and plumb the gutter of social media, they’ll find them. But let’s not pretend it’s typical in any way of one ideology or another. That’s victim mentality. 

Horrific humans - that’s the common thread. 

Edited July 22 by Gloucester Saint

[trousers]

 

 

[Sir Ralph]

On 22/07/2026 at 19:37, Gloucester Saint said:

Ann Widdecombe nearly got into the final of Strictly despite barely being able to dance. You don’t do that unless you have a pretty strong cross-party, and non-political following. There must have been people voting for her who had never engaged with politics. We did in the early rounds because it was fun to watch.

So this idea of a torrent of people gloating at her horrific murder is bollocks. Everyone I know is horrified of all stripes. Her politics are different but I liked her when I met her, a lot. Someone at work who met her a few times got on so well that they sent each other Christmas cards every year and their politics couldn’t be more different.

If people want to find ghouls and plumb the gutter of social media, they’ll find them. But let’s not pretend it’s typical in any way of one ideology or another. That’s victim mentality. 

Horrific humans - that’s the common thread. 

 I agree that most reasonable people wouldn’t say that buts it’s convient to say that when you might be perceived to have views on the same side of those on the political spectrum who are saying those things (to be clear I’m not saying you agree with them at all) . A close family member runs an office and they had to call out a junior member of staff who said he was glad she was dead last week and say they shouldn’t be discussing politics inthe office. Unfortunately those who are more politicised on the left, particularly the younger age group, seem to be stooping to lower levels than those on the right currently, which I would admit is probably an inverse from the past. 

Edited Saturday at 07:52 by Sir Ralph

[Farmer Saint]

7 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

A close family member runs an office and they had to call out a junior member of staff who said he was glad she was dead last week and say they shouldn’t be discussing politics inthe office. 

SOG alert!!

[skintsaint]

Berlin the latest car ram attack in Germany. Seems to happen once or twice a year there now.

[whelk]

13 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Berlin the latest car ram attack in Germany. Seems to happen once or twice a year there now.

Suspect has Islamist links. Who knew the religion of peace to not be tolerant of Pride celebrations? 

[bpsaint]

5 minutes ago, whelk said:

Suspect has Islamist links. Who knew the religion of peace to not be tolerant of Pride celebrations? 

I bet Queers For Palestine are pretty quiet today.

[whelk]

Should be easy to find if he isn’t wearing trousers. If he is smart he should buy some 

“The suspect is described as having a slim build, black hair, a black hoodie and white pants. He is around 1.9m tall”

[AlexLaw76]

More diversity/peace barriers needed in Berlin.

 

[Gloucester Saint]

22 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

More diversity/peace barriers needed in Berlin.

 

Won’t just be there, there’s been several similar attacks over the last few years, seems to be the lunatic Islamist MO there.

[AlexLaw76]

There is a distinct lack of German Flags in bios around social media.

Guess this is the new normal. 

In other news, hundreds more crossed the Channel illegally over the last day or so. I am sure Andy B will have his own 3 world phrase about dealing with it. 

Edited Sunday at 10:28 by AlexLaw76

[Farmer Saint]

2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

There is a distinct lack of German Flags in bios around social media.

Guess this is the new normal. 

In other news, hundreds more crossed the Channel illegally over the last day or so. I am sure Andy B will have his own 3 world phrase about dealing with it. 

What 3 World's are they?

[Gloucester Saint]

2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

There is a distinct lack of German Flags in bios around social media.

Guess this is the new normal. 

In other news, hundreds more crossed the Channel illegally over the last day or so. I am sure Andy B will have his own 3 world phrase about dealing with it. 

45% down on 2025 and 18% down overall on 2024 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg688pr9z0o

That’s what I’d be saying. One pilot jailed https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yd7xz39k9o and another 19 year old pilot from Sudan charged. Get them gone on the day release and permanent ban from the UK. Even better, 25 boats and engines each seized at Felixstowe last week which would have carried up to 80 ASs each (and probably more given how reckless the smugglers are getting as the government crackdown is hitting them) https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/25-boats-and-25-engines-destined-for-channel-people-smugglers-seized-in-major-operation-at-felixstowe

I enjoyed seeing the photo of the Gendarme blocking a woman with a load of kids getting on the boat over there. 

[Gloucester Saint]

As for Berlin, the suspect was clearly known to the authorities and was made go through the equivalent of Prevent recently.

Why on earth was he still roaming around? As he’s German born, he should have given two choices given he’d already tried to joined IS.

1) Stay in Germany in permanent incarceration as an enemy combatant

2) Leave Germany for Lebanon assisted, German citizenship and rights cancelled and permanent ban. 

Edited Sunday at 13:11 by Gloucester Saint

[egg]

3 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

In other news, hundreds more crossed the Channel illegally over the last day or so. I am sure Andy B will have his own 3 world phrase about dealing with it. 

Close the channel?

What's your plan? 

Nigel can't either? 

[whelk]

Shot dead. Only shame is that probably would have been quick.

Await Polanski’s tweet about German police brutality

[hypochondriac]

17 minutes ago, whelk said:

Shot dead. Only shame is that probably would have been quick.

Await Polanski’s tweet about German police brutality

Edit: probably a bit close to the knuckle for this forum.

Edited Sunday at 18:58 by hypochondriac

[Gloucester Saint]

This is shocking and pathetic from the Berlin judicial system. Juvenile? He’s a 21 year old trying to join ISIS.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy9wv74qje9o

Whilst the courts and probation have the odd brain fart here, this is much less likely to happen in the UK on terror-related suspects. MH is a different story.

Ballout should have either in permanent custody as a high security risk or assisted to leave and go to Lebanon. 

Edited 11 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[Sir Ralph]

Words can’t even….any chance for Owen jones to deflect. I can imagine such a balanced response if someone on the right had done this. 

Edited 13 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[Farmer Saint]

3 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Words can’t even….any chance for Owen jones to deflect. 

I've read this 4 times now - not sure what I'm missing 😕

[badgerx16]

2 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I've read this 4 times now - not sure what I'm missing 😕

As usual, he is trying to turn sverything into a "right" versus "left" slanging match.

[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

As usual, he is trying to turn sverything into a "right" versus "left" slanging match.

I get that seems to be his usual rhetoric, but again, not sure what is said here is really left v right?