The United Kingdom and the Death of Boris Johnson as we know it.

[CB Fry]

24 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Starmer (and you) called for Boris to resign before the police had decided rules were broken. Yet now you want us to wait for them to decide before condemning Starmer and calling for his resignation.

Boris must be absolutely hopping mad what with all that resigning he did. Hopping mad.

[Fan The Flames]

3 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

People are now seeing what a pious Hypocrite Sir Kier Starmer is. It’s also laughable that people are moaning  about a political witch-hunt from pro Tory press. & MPs putting pressure on Durham police. That’s exactly what it is, and was exactly what the opposition and some papers did to the met. 
 

You get lefties like Soggy who were calling for Boris to go before the Met issued any fines, now stating we should wait until Durham police finish their investigation. You can’t have it both ways. 
 

 It’s all pathetic, nobody should resign or be fined retrospectively for Boris’ shindigs and nobody should resign or be retrospectively fined for Starmers beer gate. However, some people want their “side” treated differently than the other. 

I don't care about cake and beer. I care about lying to parliment and care about a system that operates on honour being stretched by dishonourable tories, a system that is powerless to sanction them.

This started when Camerons team politicised that treasury letter tradition and Johnson's lot have taken it to another level.

This tory rabble constantly lie in parliment about achievements, statistics, whatever, because they know with the right wing press and tory shackled BBC it doesn't get challenged. People like you claim on one hand that there is a sanction a general election and then smirk and claim on the other hand that this shit doesn't cut through or translate at the ballot box. 

I also care about this talentless cabinet of sycophants promoted for loyality, brexit position and inadequacy so Johnson isn't challenged. Of power seeping unchallenged from parliment to the executive. Of a tory executive that rewards brexit areas and doesn't govern for the country as a whole. Tories rewarding their mates and wideboy MP's on the take.

Well the cut through has happened and if it takes cake to land then so be it. Large swathes of the population have had enough, sick of the lack of consequences and want this lot out. Johnson who has maneuvered for years to get to be PM has fucked it up in double quick time. I couldn't despise the man more and I'm enjoy watching his downfall.

[AlexLaw76]

15 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

I don't care about cake and beer. I care about lying to parliment and care about a system that operates on honour being stretched by dishonourable tories, a system that is powerless to sanction them.

This started when Camerons team politicised that treasury letter tradition and Johnson's lot have taken it to another level.

This tory rabble constantly lie in parliment about achievements, statistics, whatever, because they know with the right wing press and tory shackled BBC it doesn't get challenged. People like you claim on one hand that there is a sanction a general election and then smirk and claim on the other hand that this shit doesn't cut through or translate at the ballot box. 

I also care about this talentless cabinet of sycophants promoted for loyality, brexit position and inadequacy so Johnson isn't challenged. Of power seeping unchallenged from parliment to the executive. Of a tory executive that rewards brexit areas and doesn't govern for the country as a whole. Tories rewarding their mates and wideboy MP's on the take.

Well the cut through has happened and if it takes cake to land then so be it. Large swathes of the population have had enough, sick of the lack of consequences and want this lot out. Johnson who has maneuvered for years to get to be PM has fucked it up in double quick time. I couldn't despise the man more and I'm enjoy watching his downfall.

The lying to Parliament only started then?

What planet are you on?

[moonraker]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

The lying to Parliament only started then?

What planet are you on?

Thankfully not the same one as you

[AlexLaw76]

9 minutes ago, moonraker said:

Thankfully not the same one as you

Do you think it started then?

Just a yes or no will do.

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, Fan The Flames said:

 

This started when Camerons team politicised that treasury letter tradition and Johnson's lot have taken it to another level.

 

What a load of old pony. The great lady started the politicalisation of the civil service and machinery of Government , before Blair took it to another level. If you think it all started under Boris you’ve had your head in the sand. What was the WMD timescale, 45 minutes wasnt it? 
 

They’re all as bad as each other and have been for 40+ years. Who was it who said “the problem with elections is the Government always gets in”. They’re all fucking liars, the only difference is some get caught and some don’t. 

Edited 8 May, 2022 by Lord Duckhunter

[Fan The Flames]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

The lying to Parliament only started then?

What planet are you on?

I never said that lying started then. Not reading properly again Batman. I said lying AND stretching a honour system. I put the politicising of that letter in the later group and the possible start of this tory aggressive governing style. 

[Fan The Flames]

2 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What a load of old pony. The great lady started the politicalisation of the civil service and machinery of Government , before Blair took it to another level. If you think it all started under Boris you’ve had your head in the sand. What was the WMD timescale, 45 minutes want it? 
 

They’re all as bad as each other and have been for 40+ years. 

Ducks stock pony reply.

It doesn't matter anyway, Johnson and the cabinet are now rightly regarded as the worst PM and government ever and they are in their way out.

[Lord Duckhunter]

11 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

It doesn't matter anyway, Johnson and the cabinet are now rightly regarded as the worst PM and government ever and they are in their way out.

We’ll see. 

[AlexLaw76]

38 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

I never said that lying started then. Not reading properly again Batman. I said lying AND stretching a honour system. I put the politicising of that letter in the later group and the possible start of this tory aggressive governing style. 

Mate, your head has gone if you think that started with Cameron/Boris.  Sweet lord

[farawaysaint]

Johnson is the worst thing to ever happen to the Tories. He’s a shocking pm.

[sadoldgit]

5 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Starmer (and you) called for Boris to resign before the police had decided rules were broken. Yet now you want us to wait for them to decide before condemning Starmer and calling for his resignation.

I think you will find that a lot more people were calling for Johnson to resign after he deliberately lied to Parliament about multiple parties and his not attending them, including many from his own party. But you carry on spinning it Duckie and pretending that both examples are the same. You’re in the same company as Raab. 

Edited 8 May, 2022 by sadoldgit

[Weston Super Saint]

34 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I think you will find that a lot more people were calling for Johnson to resign after he deliberately lied to Parliament about multiple parties and his not attending them, including many from his own party. But you carry on spinning it Duckie and pretending that both examples are the same. You’re in the same company as Raab. 

If Starmer is issued a fine, surely both party leaders would have broken the law (in place at the time) and then claimed (lied) that they didn't?

How is one more justified than the other?

[Lord Duckhunter]

26 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

But you carry on spinning it Duckie and pretending that both examples are the same. 

 

Starmer claimed they carried on working after the food, Dan Hodges claim he’s spoken to a witness who was at beergate. “ I asked my source if it was true that after the curry had been delivered, Starmer and his team went back to work. ‘Of course not,’ the source said.” 
Starmer also claimed his hotel didn’t provide food and that’s why they eat at beer gate, again proved to be untrue. 
They claimed Raynor wasn’t there, she was. Again untrue.

Boris’ team had after work drinks and food and lied about it. Starmer had after works drinks and food and then lied about it. 
 

The only difference is in your response to it. In Dec you called for Boris to resign, long before the police fined him. Yet you’re now claiming we need to wait for the police to conclude their investigations. You’re all over the place. 

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 minute ago, Weston Super Saint said:

 

How is one more justified than the other?

Because Soggy voted Labour. 

[whelk]

 

[whelk]

9 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

If Starmer is issued a fine, surely both party leaders would have broken the law (in place at the time) and then claimed (lied) that they didn't?

How is one more justified than the other?

Maybe you aren’t bright enough to tell the difference? 

[Weston Super Saint]

11 hours ago, whelk said:

Maybe you aren’t bright enough to tell the difference? 

That both of them have lied?

Odd, I didn't have you down in the same camp as Soggy as someone who would stubbornly refuse to accept that Starmer is capable of massaging the truth.  True love, eh?

Edited 9 May, 2022 by Weston Super Saint

[egg]

13 hours ago, whelk said:

Maybe you aren’t bright enough to tell the difference? 

There's the rather significant issue of Boris breaching his own rules. Aside of that,  the only difference is that Starmer is the one of the two who's been sanctimonious and hypocritical, and in the knowledge of what he's done himself. Terrible conduct and judgement all round.

[sadoldgit]

6 minutes ago, egg said:

There's the rather significant issue of Boris breaching his own rules. Aside of that,  the only difference is that Starmer is the one of the two who's been sanctimonious and hypocritical, and in the knowledge of what he's done himself. Terrible conduct and judgement all round.

What has he done himself exactly? The police have already investigated his situation and found that no rules were broken. If the only “new evidence” is that memo then still no rules have been broken. The Tories are desperately trying to make out that both Johnson and Starmer are in similar waters. They are not. The issue here isn’t Starmer. It is the way that the PM of this country, the man who makes the rules from the party of law and order, has broken the rules and the law. Whether Starmer stays or goes, it really doesn’t matter. Johnson is the story here but his enablers will try and make out it is otherwise. Brace yourself for more fines and negative headlines chaps. Also funny how the police said they would hold off on further announcements of fines for Tory lawbreakers until after the local elections because of the politics but were quite happy to announce the Starmer news! No bowing to pressure from the right wing media there of course. Couldn’t that have waiting until after the local elections too?

[whelk]

2 hours ago, egg said:

There's the rather significant issue of Boris breaching his own rules. Aside of that,  the only difference is that Starmer is the one of the two who's been sanctimonious and hypocritical, and in the knowledge of what he's done himself. Terrible conduct and judgement all round.

You think sending emails saying bring your own booze and having karaoke is the same as being in Hartlepool and need to eat? And the PR woman giggling at how to explain it. 
worrying how many are so easily manipulated. BTW I am no Starmer fanboy but he is infinitely more credible than Johnson. 

[whelk]

4 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

That both of them have lied?

Odd, I didn't have you down in the same camp as Soggy as someone who would stubbornly refuse to accept that Starmer is capable of massaging the truth.  True love, eh?

That’s exactly it. Rumbled! 
Goebbels woudl have an easy time with you. 
 

[egg]

11 minutes ago, whelk said:

You think sending emails saying bring your own booze and having karaoke is the same as being in Hartlepool and need to eat? And the PR woman giggling at how to explain it. 
worrying how many are so easily manipulated. BTW I am no Starmer fanboy but he is infinitely more credible than Johnson. 

Every breach is different, but they both breached and tried to wriggle. I like Starmer, and he think he's good news for the Labour party, but he's got this wrong. 

[moonraker]

5 minutes ago, egg said:

Every breach is different, but they both breached and tried to wriggle. I like Starmer, and he think he's good news for the Labour party, but he's got this wrong. 

 Incorrect, Bojo has been proven to have breached, to date at least once, Starmer has not yet been so proven.  If Starmer is fined then judge him on his response.

[sadoldgit]

Just now, egg said:

Every breach is different, but they both breached and tried to wriggle. I like Starmer, and he think he's good news for the Labour party, but he's got this wrong. 

I’m still not sure what he is supposed to have got wrong? Surely if you have a meeting that is going to finish at 10pm, you need to feed those present and the venue doesn’t serve food at that time, it is not unreasonable to make arrangements to provide food and drink? You say that they both breached the rules. We know for a fact that Johnson did multiple times. It has yet to be proved that Starmer has broken any rules.

What is more interesting to me is who leaked the memo? If it is the far left trying to hamstring Starmer then perhaps it is for the best if he does stand down. Not only will it provide a huge headache for the Tories in that they would have no choice but to kick out Johnson too, but perhaps Labour could find a leader that all factions in the party could finally unite behind. As with Corbyn, all the signs are there that the divisions within Labour will cause them more problems than the Tories. 
It is imperative that the opposition parties work together to get this dreadfully incompetent and corrupt government out. If any more proof we’re needed that this mob need to be gone, Mail newspapers have been trying to convince the hard of thinking  for 12 days running that the major issue facing us all at the moment is Beergate. Not the hammering the Tories got in the local elections, not Ukraine and the possible escalation of hostilities, not the problems in Ireland and the not so oven ready Brexit deal, not the fines racked up and further to come for illegal activities by this government, not the findings that the government acted unlawfully in putting infected people into care homes, not the cost of living crisis and citizens of the fifth biggest economy having to spend all day on buses to keep warm, 12 whole days spent on……Beergate! Sadly, their efforts to muddy the waters and confuse issues seem to be working on some. 

[Tamesaint]

16 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

 

Starmer claimed they carried on working after the food, Dan Hodges claim he’s spoken to a witness who was at beergate. “ I asked my source if it was true that after the curry had been delivered, Starmer and his team went back to work. ‘Of course not,’ the source said.” 
Starmer also claimed his hotel didn’t provide food and that’s why they eat at beer gate, again proved to be untrue. 
They claimed Raynor wasn’t there, she was. Again untrue.

Boris’ team had after work drinks and food and lied about it. Starmer had after works drinks and food and then lied about it.

 

I don't know why the police are bothering to investigate Starmer. Duckie knows what went on. 

I often thought that Duckie had a bit of the pigeon lover General Melchett about him. 😁

 

Edited 9 May, 2022 by Tamesaint

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, moonraker said:

 Incorrect, Bojo has been proven to have breached, to date at least once, Starmer has not yet been so proven.  If Starmer is fined then judge him on his response.

Surely you would judge him on the law he would have been deemed to have broken.

He's already issued his response hasn't he?  He's stated he's innocent and didn't break any rules.  That will either be true or it won't, depending on what the constables of Durham decide.

[farawaysaint]

4 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Surely you would judge him on the law he would have been deemed to have broken.

He's already issued his response hasn't he?  He's stated he's innocent and didn't break any rules.  That will either be true or it won't, depending on what the constables of Durham decide.

I mean they already declared no rules were broken and then caved to political pressure to open another investigation because the government is desperately scrambling to try and paint a sitting PM breaking his own rules in a better light.

[rallyboy]

Is there still a news blackout on the police raid re PPE corruption?

I thought the D notice only worked up until the local elections but if we talk about Starmer instead the rest of it might all just sweep away.

But we're going to need a bigger carpet.

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

I’m still not sure what he is supposed to have got wrong? Surely if you have a meeting that is going to finish at 10pm, you need to feed those present and the venue doesn’t serve food at that time, it is not unreasonable to make arrangements to provide food and drink?

The memo (I believe), stated that there would be work until a specified time, followed by dinner (which included alcohol) and then it would end.  It didn't state that people would then return to work.

The issue, which you seem unsure about, is whether the food and alcoholic drinks would constitute 'socialising' - socialising at that time in April 2021, was against the law with people from outside one's own household or bubble.  Ergo socialising with 'work colleagues' was against the law.

[egg]

1 hour ago, moonraker said:

 Incorrect, Bojo has been proven to have breached, to date at least once, Starmer has not yet been so proven.  If Starmer is fined then judge him on his response.

Boris was pre-judged, but Starmer can't be. Gotcha .

[egg]

15 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

The memo (I believe), stated that there would be work until a specified time, followed by dinner (which included alcohol) and then it would end.  It didn't state that people would then return to work.

The issue, which you seem unsure about, is whether the food and alcoholic drinks would constitute 'socialising' - socialising at that time in April 2021, was against the law with people from outside one's own household or bubble.  Ergo socialising with 'work colleagues' was against the law.

It's a complete nonsense tbh, but if you're gonna throw a stone, don't be living in a glass house. It's desperate from the tories, but if the offence has been committed, Starmer ain't done himself or Labour any favours. 

Edited 9 May, 2022 by egg

[aintforever]

If he's broken the rules then Starmer should resign. Whilst being infinitely better than Corbyn he is a bit of a dour personality and very wooden in front of the camera. Labour could benefit from having a new leader (depending on who they replace him with) and set an example of what a leader with any integrity should do.

Edited 9 May, 2022 by aintforever

[Sheaf Saint]

3 minutes ago, aintforever said:

If he's broken the rules then Starmer should resign. Whilst being infinitely better than Corbyn he is a bit or a dour personality and very wooden in front of the camera. Labour could benefit from having a new leader (depending on who they replace him with) and set an example of what a leader with any integrity should do.

This.

Maybe Starmer getting fined and then resigning would be the biggest possible blow to Johnson and the Tories, because it's obvious to anybody with eyes that his transgression is far less serious. So for them to try and defend keeping Johnson in post after the LOTO has resigned for a similar but less severe breach of rules would be nigh on impossible to do with a straight face.

I doubt it will come to that, because I don't actually think he will get fined. But if he does, then how he responds to it will show how integrate he is and whether or not he cares more about his own career than hurting the Tories.

[Lord Duckhunter]

5 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Also funny how the police said they would hold off on further announcements of fines for Tory lawbreakers until after the local elections because of the politics but were quite happy to announce the Starmer news! 

🤣🤣🤣

Tell me it’s an act, you’re not really like this in real life.

The Durham police waited until after polling had closed to announce they were re-investigating, it’s why Starmer wouldn’t answer the bird from sky when he knew full well they were.

“On Friday” 

Edited 9 May, 2022 by Lord Duckhunter

[Warriorsaint]

20 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Because Soggy voted Labour. 

Love the whataboutism distraction. Nigel Farage would be so much more ethical wouldn’t he Duck

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, Sheaf Saint said:

This.

Maybe Starmer getting fined and then resigning would be the biggest possible blow to Johnson and the Tories, because it's obvious to anybody with eyes that his transgression is far less serious. So for them to try and defend keeping Johnson in post after the LOTO has resigned for a similar but less severe breach of rules would be nigh on impossible to do with a straight face.

I doubt it will come to that, because I don't actually think he will get fined. But if he does, then how he responds to it will show how integrate he is and whether or not he cares more about his own career than hurting the Tories.

You've got more hope of sprouting tits and a fanny than Boris resigning voluntarily.  In the unlikely event that Starmer were to fall on his sword, Boris wouldn't give a shiny shit.

[Sheaf Saint]

8 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

You've got more hope of sprouting tits and a fanny than Boris resigning voluntarily.  In the unlikely event that Starmer were to fall on his sword, Boris wouldn't give a shiny shit.

Of course he wouldn't. But it would expose him even further as the morally bankrupt charlatan he is.

[Weston Super Saint]

4 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Of course he wouldn't. But it would expose him even further as the morally bankrupt charlatan he is.

How much further can he be exposed?

Is there anyone left alive that doesn't already know?

[aintforever]

19 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

How much further can he be exposed?

Is there anyone left alive that doesn't already know?

I think a lot of people just assume that all politicians are the same though.

[whelk]

1 hour ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Of course he wouldn't. But it would expose him even further as the morally bankrupt charlatan he is.

These cunts don’t care. Born to be serfs and respect the entitled who gets to tell them what to do and they are thankful and will dutifully select the right tick box. 

[RedArmy]

How could anyone want to fine this man?  
 

[Sheaf Saint]

There we go then. Starmer has announced he will resign if he receives a fine. Gauntlet well and truly thrown down.

[Lord Duckhunter]

10 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

There we go then. Starmer has announced he will resign if he receives a fine. Gauntlet well and truly thrown down.

What has he said about a conclusion that there was a “minor” breach of the rules? After all, Dom didn’t receive a fine from the same force after his eyesight testing drive was deemed a “minor” breach of the rules. If I remember correctly he called for Dom to be fired despite not  receiving  a fine. 

Edited 9 May, 2022 by Lord Duckhunter

[Fan The Flames]

Tory bluff called. Starmer playing a blinder.

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Fan The Flames said:

Tory bluff called. Starmer playing a blinder.

even if he broke the rules and probably killed people as a result?

Or, were the rules ridiculous in the first place (given not one of them were remotely worried about the virus)

[egg]

5 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

Tory bluff called. Starmer playing a blinder.

Say he's fined, he steps down, but Boris doesn't citing Starmers hypocrisy as their difference... where's the blinder?

[aintforever]

4 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

probably killed people 

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

12 minutes ago, egg said:

Say he's fined, he steps down, but Boris doesn't citing Starmers hypocrisy as their difference... where's the blinder?

Dom wasn’t fined by Durham plod after breaking the rules. Has anyone asked Sir Kier what he’ll do if a similar scenario plays out? 
 

 

[AlexLaw76]

44 minutes ago, aintforever said:

 

Stay Home, Protect the NHS, Save Lives.

We all lapped it up