Whitey Grandad Posted 30 November, 2021 Share Posted 30 November, 2021 5 hours ago, Bob76 said: So we lost the game due to a couple of GK errors, but also dominated possession and missed chances. Did they not also contribute to the loss? Not really. If you keep a clean sheet you can’t lose, but if you let in two goals you have to score at least two yourself which is asking a lot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris cooper Posted 1 December, 2021 Share Posted 1 December, 2021 18 hours ago, Dman said: Puel’s team was frustrating to watch, in the main because we went from attacking / winning football with Poch and Koeman to Puel who was more defensively minded. Puel however was, imo, a much better ‘coach’ and tactically far better than Hassenhuttl. I wasn’t a fan of Puel, but if he’d been shown the loyalty and time that Ralph has, I suspect he’d have been seen as one of our better managers, along with Poch and Koeman. Given the choice of the 2 now, I think in our current situation, I’d pick Puel. Puel over Ralph is a no contest as a coach..puel was better … personality wise obviously Ralph has a certain charm .. but to be allowed to totally have obviously full control tactically throughout the whole club is worrying and when he goes will take sometime to fix … puel now In hindsight should have been allowed to continue .. wasn’t attacking but was feeling his way and improving tactically.. sold our best players but still had a plan . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 1 December, 2021 Share Posted 1 December, 2021 1 hour ago, Chris cooper said: Puel over Ralph is a no contest as a coach..puel was better … personality wise obviously Ralph has a certain charm .. but to be allowed to totally have obviously full control tactically throughout the whole club is worrying and when he goes will take sometime to fix … puel now In hindsight should have been allowed to continue .. wasn’t attacking but was feeling his way and improving tactically.. sold our best players but still had a plan . Meanwhile Puel's St Etienne are bottom of the table and he had to be escorted home by police because fans are so furious over their performances. Before that he was sacked by Leicester for his terrible dull performances. With us the team scored one goal in their last six games and only 17 goals in 19 home games all season. Attendances were dropping and it was hard to see him turning it around, the team had lost all attacking confidence. Class manager though 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris cooper Posted 1 December, 2021 Share Posted 1 December, 2021 23 minutes ago, Ex Lion Tamer said: Meanwhile Puel's St Etienne are bottom of the table and he had to be escorted home by police because fans are so furious over their performances. Before that he was sacked by Leicester for his terrible dull performances. With us the team scored one goal in their last six games and only 17 goals in 19 home games all season. Attendances were dropping and it was hard to see him turning it around, the team had lost all attacking confidence. Class manager though Had to sell all his best players but still finished 8th and should have won our 1st trophy since 1976 if it wasn’t for a disallowed goal and no van dijk to take care of ibrahimovic..far far better than gung ho hassenclue! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 1 December, 2021 Share Posted 1 December, 2021 1 hour ago, Ex Lion Tamer said: Meanwhile Puel's St Etienne are bottom of the table and he had to be escorted home by police because fans are so furious over their performances. Before that he was sacked by Leicester for his terrible dull performances. With us the team scored one goal in their last six games and only 17 goals in 19 home games all season. Attendances were dropping and it was hard to see him turning it around, the team had lost all attacking confidence. Class manager though Ah, but you are talking facts and statistics. They don't matter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 1 December, 2021 Share Posted 1 December, 2021 54 minutes ago, Chris cooper said: Had to sell all his best players but still finished 8th and should have won our 1st trophy since 1976 if it wasn’t for a disallowed goal and no van dijk to take care of ibrahimovic..far far better than gung ho hassenclue! Yeah, but no, but..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 1 December, 2021 Share Posted 1 December, 2021 1 hour ago, Chris cooper said: Had to sell all his best players but still finished 8th and should have won our 1st trophy since 1976 if it wasn’t for a disallowed goal and no van dijk to take care of ibrahimovic..far far better than gung ho hassenclue! You forgot the JPT we won 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris cooper Posted 1 December, 2021 Share Posted 1 December, 2021 2 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said: You forgot the JPT we won 🙂 yep 👍🏻 fair one !! Was a great day too ! 🍺🏆 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 1 December, 2021 Share Posted 1 December, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, miserableoldgit said: Ah, but you are talking facts and statistics. They don't matter... what managers do at other clubs doesn’t matter. Lawrie was fucking woeful at Sunderland and awful as NI boss, but that doesn’t diminish what he achieved for us. Nobody would say WGS was a better Southampton manager than Lawrie because he did well at Celtic and Lawrie was shite at Sunderland. Edited 1 December, 2021 by Lord Duckhunter 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 2 December, 2021 Share Posted 2 December, 2021 I'd say Betfair don't have a clue and have made up some of these odds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 2 December, 2021 Share Posted 2 December, 2021 3 hours ago, nta786 said: I'd say Betfair don't have a clue and have made up some of these odds I think all the obvious candidates have already gone. Rafa is basically the last candidate and tbh it would be a poor sacking given his drop in form has coincided with losing his star striker, and also losing Richarlison for a good while. No manager to leave could be a good punt, as could Howe or Ranieri. Of course, depends how trigger happy the everton board are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 2 December, 2021 Share Posted 2 December, 2021 Luckily Everton are run by people like you, and they’re impressed with the job he’s doing. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 2 December, 2021 Share Posted 2 December, 2021 13 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Luckily Everton are run by people like you, and they’re impressed with the job he’s doing. I don't know why people keep taking that out of context. Do they genuinely not understand the context or are they deliberately doing so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 2 December, 2021 Share Posted 2 December, 2021 1 hour ago, TWar said: I don't know why people keep taking that out of context. Do they genuinely not understand the context or are they deliberately doing so? You’re impressed with the job he’s doing & so are the people running Everton. I don’t really understand the point you’re trying to make. What’s taken out of context? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 2 December, 2021 Share Posted 2 December, 2021 Just now, Lord Duckhunter said: You’re impressed with the job he’s doing & so are the people running Everton. I don’t really understand the point you’re trying to make. What’s taken out of context? In context "people like me" ment people who wanted Ralph to stay, people not like me ment Ralph people who wanted Ralph gone. It was lucky people like me were in charge (people who didn't want to get rid of Ralph) as he is still here and is doing well. Hope this helps. This has 0 relevance to Everton. I also think Rafa is doing a good job, he's under pressure for completely different reasons though. He lost both his best forwards and had to replace them with guys who cost less than £1.5m between them. Also, the fans hate him because of a historical connection to liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 2 December, 2021 Share Posted 2 December, 2021 19 minutes ago, TWar said: In context "people like me" ment people who wanted Ralph to stay, people not like me ment Ralph people who wanted Ralph gone. It was lucky people like me were in charge Which is exactly what I wrote. You are “impressed” (your words) with the job Rafa is doing. So people like you want Rafa to stay, including the decision makers at the club. Therefore writing “people like you” is entirely in context. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 2 December, 2021 Share Posted 2 December, 2021 32 minutes ago, TWar said: I also think Rafa is doing a good job, Yeah, he’s doing a great job. Keeping the 12th most expensive squad in Europe 5 points above the relegation zone is impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 2 December, 2021 Share Posted 2 December, 2021 1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Yeah, he’s doing a great job. Keeping the 12th most expensive squad in Europe 5 points above the relegation zone is impressive. If the cost of the squad were all that mattered no team would need a manager. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 2 December, 2021 Share Posted 2 December, 2021 2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Yeah, he’s doing a great job. Keeping the 12th most expensive squad in Europe 5 points above the relegation zone is impressive. A little disingenuous, considering that A. There best players have been out for a decent time B. They are only 7 points off Europe. And C. Ancelloti, a very good manager, only got this side to 10th and he had James Rodriguez at his disposal as opposed to Andros Townsend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 3 December, 2021 Share Posted 3 December, 2021 Ralph's tenure here is probably inextricably tied to the Takeover situation; when the latter is resolved it is likely a resolution of the former will soon follow. New owners are likely to be far more ambitious than Gao and probably will view the last three years under this manager as little more than treading water. We must hope that a new manager coming in will be less in awe and thrall of the big clubs and to be part of the best league in the world. Before Ralph we never heard this kind of negativity around the camp. Why is it necessary for him and by association the Club to be so humble. Most fans have always believed that 'we were in it to win it' not just to make up the numbers and those magical four seasons under Poch & Koeman justified that optimism. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 3 December, 2021 Share Posted 3 December, 2021 2 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said: Ralph's tenure here is probably inextricably tied to the Takeover situation; when the latter is resolved it is likely a resolution of the former will soon follow. New owners are likely to be far more ambitious than Gao and probably will view the last three years under this manager as little more than treading water. We must hope that a new manager coming in will be less in awe and thrall of the big clubs and to be part of the best league in the world. Before Ralph we never heard this kind of negativity around the camp. Why is it necessary for him and by association the Club to be so humble. Most fans have always believed that 'we were in it to win it' not just to make up the numbers and those magical four seasons under Poch & Koeman justified that optimism. What on Earth are you talking about? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 3 December, 2021 Share Posted 3 December, 2021 On 02/12/2021 at 16:33, TWar said: I think all the obvious candidates have already gone. Rafa is basically the last candidate and tbh it would be a poor sacking given his drop in form has coincided with losing his star striker, and also losing Richarlison for a good while. No manager to leave could be a good punt, as could Howe or Ranieri. Of course, depends how trigger happy the everton board are ralph is an obvious candidate, so not all of them have already gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 3 December, 2021 Share Posted 3 December, 2021 5 hours ago, Lighthouse said: What on Earth are you talking about? Can't you read? It couldn't be more clear. Easier to snipe from the wings than come up with some thoughts of your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 3 December, 2021 Share Posted 3 December, 2021 1 minute ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said: ralph is an obvious candidate, so not all of them have already gone If you think he's obvious (like more than about 30%) I'd put some money on. You can get 11/2 on betfair. I personally think there is next to no chance he goes unless we get a new owner and they are a nutter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 December, 2021 Share Posted 3 December, 2021 1 minute ago, Charlie Wayman said: Can't you read? It couldn't be more clear. Easier to snipe from the wings than come up with some thoughts of your own. I think @Lighthouse was asking because your post was batshit crazy (as ever)! 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 3 December, 2021 Share Posted 3 December, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said: Ralph's tenure here is probably inextricably tied to the Takeover situation; when the latter is resolved it is likely a resolution of the former will soon follow. New owners are likely to be far more ambitious than Gao and probably will view the last three years under this manager as little more than treading water. We must hope that a new manager coming in will be less in awe and thrall of the big clubs and to be part of the best league in the world. Before Ralph we never heard this kind of negativity around the camp. Why is it necessary for him and by association the Club to be so humble. Most fans have always believed that 'we were in it to win it' not just to make up the numbers and those magical four seasons under Poch & Koeman justified that optimism. Ralph has done perfectly well with the money provided, has improved players considerably, knows the team and it's strengths incredibly well, and has proven that he can take a small team and push them up the league to the higher echelons when given a budget (RB Leipzig). I honestly can't think of a better realistic person to do the job if we get ambitious owners. Edited 3 December, 2021 by TWar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 3 December, 2021 Share Posted 3 December, 2021 1 minute ago, TWar said: Ralph has done perfectly well with the money provided, has improved players considerably, knows the team and it's strengths incredibly well, and has proven that he can take a small team and push them up the league to the higher echelons (RB Leipzig). I honestly can't think of a better person to do the job if we get ambitious owners. Yeah i get you are fully indoctinated in the cult, but do you need to keep trotting this stuff out? Cold light of day: he is an obvious candidate for the chop. Most (all) other teams in the prem would already have chopped him. Question for you: if he knows the team and its strengths incredibly well why does he make so many strange team selections? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 December, 2021 Share Posted 3 December, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said: If he knows the team and its strengths incredibly well why does he make so many strange team selections? On what basis have you determined them to be 'strange'? Edited 3 December, 2021 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 3 December, 2021 Share Posted 3 December, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said: Yeah i get you are fully indoctinated in the cult, but do you need to keep trotting this stuff out? Cold light of day: he is an obvious candidate for the chop. Most (all) other teams in the prem would already have chopped him. Question for you: if he knows the team and its strengths incredibly well why does he make so many strange team selections? I don't think he does... I think he makes the occasional error like any manager but I think his team selections are mostly well justified and often I think fans who criticise them are often not a party to: A) Injury/fitness issues B) Players under/overperforming in training C) Aspects of a players game which don't matter as much to a fan but are crucial to our system and you would quickly notice if they were missing ie. passing for a CB, pressing for a forward or attacking mid, or cross claiming with a goalkeeper I doubt many teams would sack Ralph given how little money he has been given to invest and how poor a squad he inherited. Fans think sacking a manager is a "win more" button and unrealistic expectations for their side. Clubs aren't afflicted so much by this. Also this "cult" thing is embarrassing. Is it that hard to just realise people have a different view to you and notice a marked increase from the Hughes, Pellegrino era with, relative to the rest of the league, negative investment? Edited 3 December, 2021 by TWar 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddeer Posted 3 December, 2021 Share Posted 3 December, 2021 18 minutes ago, TWar said: I don't think he does... I think he makes the occasional error like any manager but I think his team selections are mostly well justified and often I think fans who criticise them are often not a party to: A) Injury/fitness issues B) Players under/overperforming in training C) Aspects of a players game which don't matter as much to a fan but are crucial to our system and you would quickly notice if they were missing ie. passing for a CB, pressing for a forward or attacking mid, or cross claiming with a goalkeeper I doubt many teams would sack Ralph given how little money he has been given to invest and how poor a squad he inherited. Fans think sacking a manager is a "win more" button and unrealistic expectations for their side. Clubs aren't afflicted so much by this. Also this "cult" thing is embarrassing. Is it that hard to just realise people have a different view to you and notice a marked increase from the Hughes, Pellegrino era with, relative to the rest of the league, negative investment? Whilst not calling for Ralph to be sacked I doubt many other clubs would have afforded him the support our board has up to now given that he's presided over two horrendous defeats by 9-0. Hard to argue with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 3 December, 2021 Share Posted 3 December, 2021 2 minutes ago, Teddeer said: Whilst not calling for Ralph to be sacked I doubt many other clubs would have afforded him the support our board has up to now given that he's presided over two horrendous defeats by 9-0. Hard to argue with that. The club would probably take a 9-0 every season if we also avoided relegation fairly comfortably, as Ralph has since he arrived here. His mandate, given our lack of net spending, is to stay in the league. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 3 December, 2021 Share Posted 3 December, 2021 Just now, Teddeer said: Whilst not calling for Ralph to be sacked I doubt many other clubs would have afforded him the support our board has up to now given that he's presided over two horrendous defeats by 9-0. Hard to argue with that. I think, generally speaking, clubs care more about the bottom line and less about pride. Ralph was perhaps lucky to survive the first 9-0, although sticking by him was very much proven to be the correct move, but by the second one he had proven he was a good manager over the course of many many months so a bad result or two was unlikely to see him lose his job. Especially when he had already, by that point in the season, accumulated enough points for prem safety. With our level of investment safety is basically the only goal and as long as he is nowhere near a relegation battle (as he has been) then he will be fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinSFC Posted 3 December, 2021 Share Posted 3 December, 2021 I can't think of any fans at any other club who would accept 1 never mind 2 9-0 defeats the way the Ralphist cult do on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy the Kidd Posted 3 December, 2021 Share Posted 3 December, 2021 Good job the decision on club manager is down to the Board, and not fans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 3 December, 2021 Share Posted 3 December, 2021 3 minutes ago, JustinSFC said: I can't think of any fans at any other club who would accept 1 never mind 2 9-0 defeats the way the Ralphist cult do on here. Chomp chomp chomp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 3 December, 2021 Share Posted 3 December, 2021 Just now, JustinSFC said: I can't think of any fans at any other club who would accept 1 never mind 2 9-0 defeats the way the Ralphist cult do on here. Before Ralph our previous two managers had a win % of 18% and 23% and had us within touching distance of relegation multiple times. Since Ralph came in his win % is % is 36%, we haven't come close to relegation, and our team is clearly exponentially better. All this happened while spending the second least in the league, so objectively getting weaker than those around us squad valuewise. You can say cult all you like, but some people are less hung up on two freak results and can see the bigger picture. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinSFC Posted 3 December, 2021 Share Posted 3 December, 2021 46 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: On what basis have you determined them to be 'strange'? Good grief. You've only got to go 1 week back when the simpleton went 2 in midfield against one of the top 3 (in my OPINION) pressing teams in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 3 December, 2021 Share Posted 3 December, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, JustinSFC said: Good grief. You've only got to go 1 week back when the simpleton went 2 in midfield against one of the top 3 (in my OPINION) pressing teams in the world. So he could have a third CB? And when he had Diallo and Armstrong out so would have had to play a well off the pace Will Smallbone. Not a bad decision at all really. If you wanted one less player in our defence so we can have Will Smallbone in our midfield, after being out for ages and clearly being well off it, against a midfield of Liverpools quality you are crazy. Give me an extra CB anyday, there is nothing Smallbone could have done to sway that battle against one of the best midfields in the world. Edited 3 December, 2021 by TWar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinSFC Posted 3 December, 2021 Share Posted 3 December, 2021 I shouldn't bite but you really to do chat proper shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 3 December, 2021 Share Posted 3 December, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, TWar said: Ralph has done perfectly well with the money provided, has improved players considerably, knows the team and it's strengths incredibly well, and has proven that he can take a small team and push them up the league to the higher echelons when given a budget (RB Leipzig). I honestly can't think of a better realistic person to do the job if we get ambitious owners. If I was you, I’d see where we finish this season before bowing down to Ralph again. Edited 3 December, 2021 by Lord Duckhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 3 December, 2021 Share Posted 3 December, 2021 26 minutes ago, JustinSFC said: I can't think of any fans at any other club who would accept 1 never mind 2 9-0 defeats the way the Ralphist cult do on here. If fans were so distraught after the second 9-0 and wanted to make it known to the board that it was unacceptable what did they do? I don't remember any protests or pitch invasions if that's what you're thinking other clubs fans would have done. People mention that he should have been sacked and that's their opinion but if they were so passionate about it they could have tried to make their feelings known, no one was stopping them. I agree with TWar that this cultist thing people toss around is a bit weird. It's just people who don't have the same opinion as each other, and considering this is a football forum that's hardly a surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 3 December, 2021 Share Posted 3 December, 2021 Just now, The Cat said: I agree with TWar that this cultist thing people toss around is a bit weird. It's just people who don't have the same opinion as each other, and considering this is a football forum that's hardly a surprise. It is like a cult with certain posters, the religion of Ralph. When the messiah admits he made a tactical error at Liverpool, they argue he didn’t. If that’s not cult like, it’s pretty damn close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 December, 2021 Share Posted 3 December, 2021 44 minutes ago, JustinSFC said: I can't think of any fans at any other club who would accept 1 never mind 2 9-0 defeats the way the Ralphist cult do on here. Sure they were horrendous and Hasenhuttl messed up, but what do you mean exactly by "accept" the 9-0 defeats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 3 December, 2021 Share Posted 3 December, 2021 Just now, Lord Duckhunter said: It is like a cult with certain posters, the religion of Ralph. When the messiah admits he made a tactical error at Liverpool, they argue he didn’t. If that’s not cult like, it’s pretty damn close. I can’t remember anyone saying he didn’t make a tactical error, just that he tried something different, which didn’t work. It’s not like it went worse than any other team who’ve played Liverpool recently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarisbury Saint Posted 3 December, 2021 Share Posted 3 December, 2021 38 minutes ago, JustinSFC said: Good grief. You've only got to go 1 week back when the simpleton went 2 in midfield against one of the top 3 (in my OPINION) pressing teams in the world. Bringing Walcott on against Norwich was also a strange decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 3 December, 2021 Share Posted 3 December, 2021 Just now, Lighthouse said: I can’t remember anyone saying he didn’t make a tactical error, Twar did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 December, 2021 Share Posted 3 December, 2021 42 minutes ago, JustinSFC said: Good grief. You've only got to go 1 week back when the simpleton went 2 in midfield against one of the top 3 (in my OPINION) pressing teams in the world. We played with more defensive players in that game than if we played 4222. He took out an attacking midfielder and put in a third centre back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 3 December, 2021 Share Posted 3 December, 2021 1 minute ago, Lighthouse said: I can’t remember anyone saying he didn’t make a tactical error, just that he tried something different, which didn’t work. It’s not like it went worse than any other team who’ve played Liverpool recently. Yeah, and he's been criticised in the past for NOT trying new things and being too predictable. Enjoyed the new set pieces against Leicester. Would like to see more of that. We needed a change from Prowse doing the same thing over and over. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 3 December, 2021 Share Posted 3 December, 2021 Just now, Lord Duckhunter said: Twar did. He did, and was still saying it was a fantastic tactical call even when Ralph himself admitted he had dropped a bollock. So the cult is not huge, but the behaviours are there with some on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarisbury Saint Posted 3 December, 2021 Share Posted 3 December, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: I can’t remember anyone saying he didn’t make a tactical error, just that he tried something different, which didn’t work. It’s not like it went worse than any other team who’ve played Liverpool recently. It’s the fact that everyone (except Twar and MLG)including himself admitted it was a mistake but didn’t change it until we were three down. Edited 3 December, 2021 by Sarisbury Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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