Saints_massive Posted 16 January, 2022 Share Posted 16 January, 2022 20 hours ago, Warriorsaint said: Two mid table teams. Not a lot between them. Id rather have our team than theirs I mean bar their GK, Defence, Midfield (when you add Nevez into the mix) and wingers I think you make a very valid point. and let’s face it if their striker hadn’t had a near career threatening injury he’d probably be in the mix too! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 16 January, 2022 Share Posted 16 January, 2022 1 hour ago, Professor said: Agree. The game could easily have been a draw, or even gone our way. No excuse for the Forster error, dithering while then play passed him by, but no cause overall for complaints about the performance. The penalty was given incorrectly, giving Wolves only 2 legitimate goals. Our shot that hit the post could easily have given us 2 goals but luck also played a great part in keeping Saints from scoring more goals. Luck often decides a game, so the better team doesn't always win. In my opinion, this was one such. Clutching at straws old chap. On the day we were not good enough and Wolves were much the better more composed side. Luck had little to do with the outcome yesterday too many of our players went missing for the afternoon. The penalty was clearly a penalty, the ball was travelling across the goal at an angle and you can argue all day about whether Bednarek's foot brushed against the ball or not, the important point is that he did not deflect its direction of travel at all. Had the ball shifted its direction of travel by even 1 degree the ref would have not given it. Watch again and you will see for yourself. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BERMUDASAINT Posted 16 January, 2022 Share Posted 16 January, 2022 3 hours ago, East Kent Saint said: A very dubious penalty I thought , VAR is still making the situation worse for the game . If it takes that long to raise an issue with the Ref then it's obviously not a clear and obvious error . Saints made plenty of chances and could have got some points , disappointment at the result has been erazed by watching JWP's free kick endlessly 😄 Fraser still slow to react for second goal , by the time he made his mind up to move to deal with the loose ball / possible shot at goal it was already a goal ! Who was on VAR? The on field ref had no prob with the tackles. Again we get screwed by the VAR ref, he showed those tackles over and over looking for a foul. I still do not see one! Beds got the ball, changed its direction, goes past Jim, and he continues into Beds? Where is the foul? Very frustrating to always get these shit calls going against us. This poor decision echanged the game. Also thought the ref let them kick and push us at will. Love that fair Salu shoulder tackle, but not the ref? These were two good teams, but we rarely have the chance to beat just the team, we are almost always hampered by the refs and them deciding how the game should go. Announcers never seem to like us, I can hear the excitement for the other teams, but rarely any love for the Saints. Oh well, at least the FA are consistent with us, they never seem to disappoint in rewarding the opposition and shafting us up the ........... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 16 January, 2022 Share Posted 16 January, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said: The penalty was clearly a penalty Why did it take VAR so long to come to a conclusion (and an inconclusive one at that) if it was "clearly" a penalty? #logic Edited 16 January, 2022 by trousers 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BERMUDASAINT Posted 16 January, 2022 Share Posted 16 January, 2022 14 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said: Clutching at straws old chap. On the day we were not good enough and Wolves were much the better more composed side. Luck had little to do with the outcome yesterday too many of our players went missing for the afternoon. The penalty was clearly a penalty, the ball was travelling across the goal at an angle and you can argue all day about whether Bednarek's foot brushed against the ball or not, the important point is that he did not deflect its direction of travel at all. Had the ball shifted its direction of travel by even 1 degree the ref would have not given it. Watch again and you will see for yourself. Time to get new glasses, or a new TV, the ball was touched, the ball was deflected, Jim never had control of the ball, never had possession, he actually ran past the ball (because Beds changed the balls angle) into Beds. If the VAR took so long to find the best angle to support their weak case, how was it clear and obvious mistakes by the on field ref? That non pen changed the game! 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 16 January, 2022 Share Posted 16 January, 2022 I think the issue with the penalty is that it was not given, then given as a 'clear and obvious error'. Had that been given straight away, VAR looked at it and then NOT overturned it, I don't think we could really have any complaint. It's one of those "seen them given, seen them not" kinda things. Also Forster...Just wow. Imagine if McCarthy had conceded that. He'd be publicly flogged. Utterly laughable how anyone thinks he's a decent keeper and better than McCarthy and for the record, I think they're both awful. But Forster is just that little bit extra sh1t. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloggy saint Posted 16 January, 2022 Share Posted 16 January, 2022 10 minutes ago, BERMUDASAINT said: Who was on VAR? The on field ref had no prob with the tackles. Again we get screwed by the VAR ref, he showed those tackles over and over looking for a foul. I still do not see one! Beds got the ball, changed its direction, goes past Jim, and he continues into Beds? Where is the foul? Very frustrating to always get these shit calls going against us. This poor decision echanged the game. Also thought the ref let them kick and push us at will. Love that fair Salu shoulder tackle, but not the ref? These were two good teams, but we rarely have the chance to beat just the team, we are almost always hampered by the refs and them deciding how the game should go. Announcers never seem to like us, I can hear the excitement for the other teams, but rarely any love for the Saints. Oh well, at least the FA are consistent with us, they never seem to disappoint in rewarding the opposition and shafting us up the ........... Yep, it's tough to take but we just have to accept that everyone hates us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 16 January, 2022 Share Posted 16 January, 2022 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Instant Classic said: Had that been given straight away, VAR looked at it and then NOT overturned it, I don't think we could really have any complaint Correct, because that's how VAR is supposed to work, i.e. "only overturn the on-field decision if the ref made a clear and obvious error". This principle should work both ways. Edited 16 January, 2022 by trousers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 16 January, 2022 Share Posted 16 January, 2022 2 hours ago, Convict Colony said: random one but what is the best stats website that is free for games/players etc both this season and historical. https://understat.com/league/EPL https://understat.com/team/Southampton/2021 Understat might be what you’re looking for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 16 January, 2022 Share Posted 16 January, 2022 30 minutes ago, trousers said: Why did it take VAR so long to come to a conclusion (and an inconclusive one at that) if it was "clearly" a penalty? #logic And the ref did not give the clear penalty straight away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 16 January, 2022 Share Posted 16 January, 2022 1 hour ago, trousers said: Correct, because that's how VAR is supposed to work, i.e. "only overturn the on-field decision if the ref made a clear and obvious error". This principle should work both ways. VAR is not supposed to re-referee the game yet that is what is happening. These ‘soft’ penalties are distorting the balance of the game. It’s much easier to try to win a penalty than it is to score a goal so attackers play to make the defender try win the ball or they hammer the ball towards the arms. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 16 January, 2022 Share Posted 16 January, 2022 3 hours ago, millsy said: prior to the breakaway for their third goal - Lyanco is seen standing on halfway line - holding his throat in pain. The closest player to him... - is the eventual Wolves scorer. Was Lynaco struck in an off-the-ball incident?. The more one looks at the highlights, the more suspicious it becomes. Lyanco then, sinks to his knees and the medics. run onto the field - after goal has been scored. Looks like he took an elbow in the throat going for the clearance. Didn't notice it during the match, but I don't have VAR at home. Strange it wasn't looked at, as they only seemed to check the possible offside. I reckon they did look at it. He was down for ages after the goal getting treatment and loads of players were giving the ref their opinion about what happened, pointing at Lyanco laying on the floor etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvSFC Posted 16 January, 2022 Share Posted 16 January, 2022 Obviously, you have the major incident, being the penalty. Shouldn't have been one, the attacker stopped playing the ball and went for the contact with Bednarek and then it took around 3-5 minutes to award the penalty after it wasn't called in real time. However, it's the little fouls and non-contact football that's happening again. I don't think referees hate us, but every other team in this league gets in the referee's face and puts pressure on them, because it works. We don't and that's why the likes of El Ghazi and Toney can make fouls that would be a yellow had they not already been on one and ultimately get away with it. Wolves were the same yesterday. An inexperienced referee, got in his face and got cheap fouls throughout, which isn't highlighted as much, but is game changing. You know it's a bad day at the office when Wolves fans are taking the piss, posting videos on social media of Podence doing his best Shefki Kuqi impression and winning a foul from it. At the start of the season, the officials had seemingly taken note of the Euros, where the officials AND VAR went by unnoticed. Games were allowed to flow, football was allowed to have contact again, we rightly scored against Manchester United because of this new outlook. However, the big six bosses made several complaints regarding this and it's seemingly gone back to a non-contact sport again. Plenty of rules were changed midway through the last season regarding VAR and handballs and it's spoiling the game and taking away any consistency immediately. Anyway... Has Traore been wearing two sets of gloves every week in the hope that he'd finally score? Or did he know, we're the club to break droughts against. They even got Coady's first ever home goal yesterday. JWP's free-kick was world class. Up there with Wayne Thomas and Cuco Martina and his was from a dead ball. Incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorsaint Posted 16 January, 2022 Share Posted 16 January, 2022 3 hours ago, Saints_massive said: I mean bar their GK, Defence, Midfield (when you add Nevez into the mix) and wingers I think you make a very valid point. and let’s face it if their striker hadn’t had a near career threatening injury he’d probably be in the mix too! Ill repeat previous response. I meant in terms of attitude. They were a dirty, shithousery team. Much rather have ours than their bunch of fall overs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 16 January, 2022 Share Posted 16 January, 2022 3 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said: Clutching at straws old chap. On the day we were not good enough and Wolves were much the better more composed side. Luck had little to do with the outcome yesterday too many of our players went missing for the afternoon. The penalty was clearly a penalty, the ball was travelling across the goal at an angle and you can argue all day about whether Bednarek's foot brushed against the ball or not, the important point is that he did not deflect its direction of travel at all. Had the ball shifted its direction of travel by even 1 degree the ref would have not given it. Watch again and you will see for yourself. No, they weren't. No, it wasn't. No, I won't. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted 16 January, 2022 Share Posted 16 January, 2022 1 hour ago, HarvSFC said: Obviously, you have the major incident, being the penalty. Shouldn't have been one, the attacker stopped playing the ball and went for the contact with Bednarek and then it took around 3-5 minutes to award the penalty after it wasn't called in real time. However, it's the little fouls and non-contact football that's happening again. I don't think referees hate us, but every other team in this league gets in the referee's face and puts pressure on them, because it works. We don't and that's why the likes of El Ghazi and Toney can make fouls that would be a yellow had they not already been on one and ultimately get away with it. Wolves were the same yesterday. An inexperienced referee, got in his face and got cheap fouls throughout, which isn't highlighted as much, but is game changing. You know it's a bad day at the office when Wolves fans are taking the piss, posting videos on social media of Podence doing his best Shefki Kuqi impression and winning a foul from it. At the start of the season, the officials had seemingly taken note of the Euros, where the officials AND VAR went by unnoticed. Games were allowed to flow, football was allowed to have contact again, we rightly scored against Manchester United because of this new outlook. However, the big six bosses made several complaints regarding this and it's seemingly gone back to a non-contact sport again. Plenty of rules were changed midway through the last season regarding VAR and handballs and it's spoiling the game and taking away any consistency immediately. Anyway... Has Traore been wearing two sets of gloves every week in the hope that he'd finally score? Or did he know, we're the club to break droughts against. They even got Coady's first ever home goal yesterday. JWP's free-kick was world class. Up there with Wayne Thomas and Cuco Martina and his was from a dead ball. Incredible. Not only that but the Wolves players were pushing away the Saints players who were trying to remonstrate with the ref ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totton Saint Posted 16 January, 2022 Share Posted 16 January, 2022 17 hours ago, John Boy Saint said: Just watching MOTD - that free kick from JWP is absolutely stunning verging on insane. Yes - it defied the Laws of Physics. Romeo very good again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totton Saint Posted 16 January, 2022 Share Posted 16 January, 2022 15 hours ago, austsaint said: You're right though, on both counts. Perraud did work hard and got forward well (unlucky with the late header too) - but his crosses are very average. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 16 January, 2022 Share Posted 16 January, 2022 58 minutes ago, Micky said: No, they weren't. No, it wasn't. No, I won't. And yes, you're right. No offence to Charlie, but I generally find my own takes on games confirmed when CW takes the opposite view. I expected the loss yesterday after a really tough run of games with extra time and two sendings off all within the last couple of weeks. So not as down usual - not least because the lasting memory from that game will be a goal-of-the-season contender. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 16 January, 2022 Share Posted 16 January, 2022 Personally I thought it wasn't a penalty because the Wolves player wasn't in playing distance of the ball, mistimed his lunge and clattered into Bednerak's leg with the ball two yards behind him at the moment of contact. I felt it was more a foul being late on Bednerak than blocking the Wolves player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 16 January, 2022 Share Posted 16 January, 2022 4 hours ago, BERMUDASAINT said: Time to get new glasses, or a new TV, the ball was touched, the ball was deflected, Jim never had control of the ball, never had possession, he actually ran past the ball (because Beds changed the balls angle) into Beds. If the VAR took so long to find the best angle to support their weak case, how was it clear and obvious mistakes by the on field ref? That non pen changed the game! Spot on, that's exactly what I saw when it happened. Thanks for explaining it clearly, the attacker didn't have the ball and ran into Bednarek. A terrible decision, not close to being a penalty. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberalCommunist Posted 16 January, 2022 Share Posted 16 January, 2022 I actually thought Martin Salisbury did well. There was a lot of play acting from Wolves, so he had quite a difficult task. And VAR seemingly interfering when it did can't be levelled at him. At least there's hope that semi competent refs are coming through. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 17 January, 2022 Share Posted 17 January, 2022 21 hours ago, trousers said: Why did it take VAR so long to come to a conclusion (and an inconclusive one at that) if it was "clearly" a penalty? #logic Because the international referees conspiracy against Southampton Football Club to ensure they remain a small club had to consult their lawyers before confirming it was definitely a penalty? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 17 January, 2022 Share Posted 17 January, 2022 (edited) Forget it! Waste of breath and time. Edited 17 January, 2022 by Charlie Wayman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Force Posted 17 January, 2022 Share Posted 17 January, 2022 Until the end I thought we played a good game, never a penalty, goal keeping error for the second, JWP with the second best free kick I have ever seen (behind Roberto Carlos at le Tournai in 97). But instead of putting it to them at the end to make them sweat we got done. Why do we have to always try to hang on but they do us in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 2 April, 2022 Share Posted 2 April, 2022 On 16/01/2022 at 14:05, Instant Classic said: I think the issue with the penalty is that it was not given, then given as a 'clear and obvious error'. Had that been given straight away, VAR looked at it and then NOT overturned it, I don't think we could really have any complaint. It's one of those "seen them given, seen them not" kinda things. Also Forster...Just wow. Imagine if McCarthy had conceded that. He'd be publicly flogged. Utterly laughable how anyone thinks he's a decent keeper and better than McCarthy and for the record, I think they're both awful. But Forster is just that little bit extra sh1t. Today we conceded yet another goal that was everybody else's fault but Forster's. How anyone thinks this clown is a good keeper is totally amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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