Tyler Dibling

[2Morrow]

7 minutes ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said:

Totally agree. If Dewksbury-Hall is £28m, who frankly was the best player I saw the last time we were in the Championship and had a reasonable time at Spurs, then we should be biting Everton's arm off for their offer. And it's appreciated we're not comparing like with like, but £35m for Dibbers. C'mon Saints, sell the kid.

And what's weird is we're playing hardball with Dibling but do we have a lack of funds this year? Is that why we're not buying many players? Sell him and buy, Saints. You know it makes sense.

The fact you clearly dont know KDH was at chelsea last year kinda implies you have no idea how good he was in the prem, unlike Dibling who by all accounts tore apart United and Brighton on his day, as well as a great assist against Liverpool in the cup...

[derry]

If he kicks off, stick him on the subs bench for the U21's and tell him to come back and see the manager when he grows up. He can't be allowed to rock the boat. Robinson will more than fill his boots given the way he performed after Martin left. Everton can piss or get off the pot. Pay the asking price or push off. 

Edited August 5 by derry

[Weston Super Saint]

16 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Let me put it this way. If he weren't already our player, would we buy him for £40m?

Let me put it this way, have you seen some of our transfer decisions?

[BARCELONASAINT]

Before people start slagging of Tyler and stating things they know nothing about the player i would just like to say from what i know of the lad he is a very quiet lad and not prone to being the type to "kick off", "down tools" or "sulk" his way through a season in the Championship.

He has always been very respectful of Southampton and understands Southampton have put a price on him and they will let him leave if that is achieved. 

[Chez]

3 hours ago, Ivan Katalinic's 'tache said:

Hope this doesn’t jeopardise my chances of winning a signed Tyler Dibling shirt!

How the hell does this dinkle know what advice Dibling's agent is giving him? Even if it were true, why would the agent reveal it to anyone else? 

This transfer is like all the others. Buyer wants to get a player for the least possible, seller wants to get as much as possible. When the parties don't find a middle ground the agent and player get frustrated. Saints are making a shed load off the players back and they get annoyed their move might not go through and the player misses out.  Standard policy is to not go to training to put pressure on the selling club. It happens time after time with these hard to agree deals. Unless Everton are suddenly happy to take on Grealish' £300k a week contract, they will find the funds.

[Chez]

8 minutes ago, BARCELONASAINT said:

Before people start slagging of Tyler and stating things they know nothing about the player i would just like to say from what i know of the lad he is a very quiet lad and not prone to being the type to "kick off", "down tools" or "sulk" his way through a season in the Championship.

He has always been very respectful of Southampton and understands Southampton have put a price on him and they will let him leave if that is achieved. 

My advice is to wait until he has actually kicked up a fuss before we get angry about him kicking up a fuss.

[Chez]

4 hours ago, Dusic said:

just frustrating that none of our real top talents ever play more than one season with us and always seem to be in a shit Saints team, Luke Shaw excepted.

if you are talking abut homegrown players losing Gareth Bale, Walcott and Oxlaid-Chamberlain was a real shame, but Channon, MLT, Wallace, Shearer, Kenna, Bridge, Lallana and JWP all played for many seasons.

[Willo of Whiteley]

Are there some on here believing the teenager from Norwich who’s tweeting transfer news about Everton for Tyler Dibling?

🤣

[John B]

9 hours ago, Chez said:

if you are talking abut homegrown players losing Gareth Bale, Walcott and Oxlaid-Chamberlain was a real shame, but Channon, MLT, Wallace, Shearer, Kenna, Bridge, Lallana and JWP all played for many seasons.

And Terry Paine Stevie Williams and Martin Chivers but those days are over because we could pay top wages but not now

[Kenilworthy59]

57 minutes ago, John B said:

And Terry Paine Stevie Williams and Martin Chivers but those days are over because we could pay top wages but not now

Although in the case of Chivers he only played two seasons for us in the top division before he was off to Spurs

[Chez]

1 hour ago, John B said:

And Terry Paine Stevie Williams and Martin Chivers but those days are over because we could pay top wages but not now

Certainly not while in the championship! 

[SteveGc]

Last I read from him is he’s been at this club for years and loves Southampton. I’m. To sure I’d believe all that’s written, we all now he came back pretty quick. Seems a good grounded lad.

[OldNick]

2 hours ago, John B said:

And Terry Paine Stevie Williams and Martin Chivers but those days are over because we could pay top wages but not now

I think you will find that players didnt have agents in those days and the clubs had a strong hand, nowadays the agents rule the game, its the Wild West out there where no real rules apply. Unless you are Notts Forest owner who gets the player and agent, sits on them until they agree to sign a new contract lol

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, SteveGc said:

Last I read from him is he’s been at this club for years and loves Southampton. I’m. To sure I’d believe all that’s written, we all now he came back pretty quick. Seems a good grounded lad.

Not that I disagree, but if that were true surely he would have signed a new contract?

[Harry_SFC]

16 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Not that I disagree, but if that were true surely he would have signed a new contract?

Exactly. It sounds like Saints have put a very good contract offer to him. There's nothing stopping him signing it and helping us get promoted this season and maybe help us stay there before moving onto a top 4 club if he excels. He's still very young, there's no massive need for him to jump ship now. 

[Sheaf Saint]

2 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Exactly. It sounds like Saints have put a very good contract offer to him. There's nothing stopping him signing it and helping us get promoted this season and maybe help us stay there before moving onto a top 4 club if he excels. He's still very young, there's no massive need for him to jump ship now. 

Nothing stopping him, but probably just waiting to see what options become available this summer. Much as he might love the club, football is a very short professional career and if he's as much of a prospect as so many in the game think he is then he's in line for a ridiculous payday that Saints simply can't match. And if he were to suffer a serious, career-threatening injury while biding his time with us this season, that opportunity may never arise again.

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Nothing stopping him, but probably just waiting to see what options become available this summer. Much as he might love the club, football is a very short professional career and if he's as much of a prospect as so many in the game think he is then he's in line for a ridiculous payday that Saints simply can't match. And if he were to suffer a serious, career-threatening injury while biding his time with us this season, that opportunity may never arise again.

Grealish stayed. Newcastle managed to keep most of their stars when they went down. No reason he couldn't be this season's Grealish. 

[Sheaf Saint]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Grealish stayed. Newcastle managed to keep most of their stars when they went down. No reason he couldn't be this season's Grealish. 

Were there actually any serious bids for Grealish that summer though? I genuinely can't remember.

[Pamplemousse]

As much as we would like him to stay, if he does then we'd almost certainly have to sell Fernandes, who at least has a long-term contract in place.

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Sheaf Saint said:

Were there actually any serious bids for Grealish that summer though? I genuinely can't remember.

Spurs, if I remember correctly - if it was that season (Villa demanded he stayed)

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

As much as we would like him to stay, if he does then we'd almost certainly have to sell Fernandes, who at least has a long-term contract in place.

He's going anyway. 

[Pamplemousse]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

He's going anyway. 

I suspect so, but that would from a financial point of view would make it a necessity. We can't have both sadly.

[hypochondriac]

15 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

I suspect so, but that would from a financial point of view would make it a necessity. We can't have both sadly.

Well if there's any chance that it's a choice then I agree sell DIbling immediately. Very unlikely we can hold onto either though so given that I can see why we are holding out for top dollar. We better hope we can bring the top drawer replacements in in time though. 

[Chez]

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Grealish stayed. Newcastle managed to keep most of their stars when they went down. No reason he couldn't be this season's Grealish. 

In 2009 or 2016? In the more recent relegation they lost their best players Sissoko for a massive fee to Spurs and Wijnaldum to Liverpool. I don't think there were any 'stars' remaining. 

[tdmickey3]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Well if there's any chance that it's a choice then I agree sell DIbling immediately. Very unlikely we can hold onto either though so given that I can see why we are holding out for top dollar. We better hope we can bring the top drawer replacements in in time though. 

You are beginning to read from the same page as me

[Saint86]

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Well if there's any chance that it's a choice then I agree sell DIbling immediately. Very unlikely we can hold onto either though so given that I can see why we are holding out for top dollar. We better hope we can bring the top drawer replacements in in time though. 

The ideal scenario / gamble would be to keep them both, get promoted (and improve them both this season as pivotal players in our team), and then actually have a talented core team of players to build around next season (as per the lambert, lallana, morgan, fonte grouping).

Everyone saying sell them to get some money and strengthen now, ignores the fact that if we get promoted we need players at least as good as dibling/fermandes currently are to stay up, and they look to be costing somewhere in the region of £80M+ for the pair. And everyone is already saying we need to strengthen our creative midfield options/wings as it is.

No point getting promoted if we have no core spine of players to build around next season imo - if we sell these 2 now and replace them with champ level alternatives, the risk is we'll simply be spending money on deadwood for next season and be back to square 1. What we need is Fernandes/dibling type talents that can develop and improve and be ready to be our main men next season.

Solak says he wants to keep our best players and get us back to the prem - well at some point he may need to put his foot down, actually foot the bill for an annual loss, and gamble on keeping some of them for a chance of a brighter future. I know we had PSR limits last time out in the champ, but we all saw the result of making a £5M profit in the championship when we couldn't compete in the prem... A loss this season to ambitiously build a promising team for next season may well pay its own dividends. 

Edited August 6 by Saint86

[Appy]

 

[LordHester]

3 minutes ago, Appy said:

 

Yes, but it's the Scum, so it's probably muck-raking bollox.

[Appy]

Just now, LordHester said:

Yes, but it's the Scum, so it's probably muck-raking bollox.

Jack Rosser is a saints fan and well connected to the club 

[santolijador]

 

 

[SaintNewForest]

I thought he was a good lad who was knuckling down and getting on with it? 🤣

[OldNick]

Best let him go if we have got close to our asking price (that I think is pretty good especially if we can get add-ons)

He will be a bit of a circus if hes still here with the media keep harping on about him.

Then spend some on a replacement

[gio1saints]

Everton apparently enquiring to Nan City about a season long loan for Grealish. That’s got to be an alternative to Tyler not as well as.

Letting the news out might / more than likely is, a negotiation ploy to encourage Saints to agree a deal. That’s my take on it anyway. 
 

IF so - it shows what kind of high level performers Tyler is being compared to. And why his fee set so high. 

Edited August 6 by gio1saints

[skintsaint]

Everton in for Grealish so might be not going there now anyway.

[S-Clarke]

1 minute ago, skintsaint said:

Everton in for Grealish so might be not going there now anyway.

That would kill that deal dead if that's the case.

I still think Everton have gone too far for this to not happen, especially if Dibling is indeed training away to avoid contact injuries, it suggests that something is close - not just speculation.

[Farmer Saint]

Grealish offer is all posturing, it's a smokescreen to make us accept their lower offer.

 

[CSA96]

11 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Everton in for Grealish so might be not going there now anyway.

Dibling deal is too expensive for us so we're going for Jack Grealish who is almost 30 years old, on mammoth wages and will cost us more overall? Interesting claim from Everton

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

13 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Everton apparently enquiring to Nan City about a season long loan for Grealish. That’s got to be an alternative to Tyler not as well as.

Letting the news out might / more than likely is, a negotiation ploy to encourage Saints to agree a deal. That’s my take on it anyway. 

Nan City? Wayne Rooney’s dream club?

[saintant]

57 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

The ideal scenario / gamble would be to keep them both, get promoted (and improve them both this season as pivotal players in our team), and then actually have a talented core team of players to build around next season (as per the lambert, lallana, morgan, fonte grouping).

Everyone saying sell them to get some money and strengthen now, ignores the fact that if we get promoted we need players at least as good as dibling/fermandes currently are to stay up, and they look to be costing somewhere in the region of £80M+ for the pair. And everyone is already saying we need to strengthen our creative midfield options/wings as it is.

No point getting promoted if we have no core spine of players to build around next season imo - if we sell these 2 now and replace them with champ level alternatives, the risk is we'll simply be spending money on deadwood for next season and be back to square 1. What we need is Fernandes/dibling type talents that can develop and improve and be ready to be our main men next season.

Solak says he wants to keep our best players and get us back to the prem - well at some point he may need to put his foot down, actually foot the bill for an annual loss, and gamble on keeping some of them for a chance of a brighter future. I know we had PSR limits last time out in the champ, but we all saw the result of making a £5M profit in the championship when we couldn't compete in the prem... A loss this season to ambitiously build a promising team for next season may well pay its own dividends. 

This post is spot on and underlines why we'll never progress under SR. If you want to build a team that has a chance to survive in the Premier League you have to be prepared to not cash in on your best assets the minute the big clubs come calling. Otherwise it's continually one step forward two steps back and stagnation sets in. I'm not suggesting it's easy to buck the trend but this is pretty much the only way to give yourself a half decent chance of getting a foothold in the PL. Get your star players on good contracts, pay them good money and make it clear that they leave when we decide. Everything else is pissing in the wind.

[SaintNewForest]

7 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Grealish offer is all posturing, it's a smokescreen to make us accept their lower offer.

 

100%; and whose the player Dibling is most compared to? Taking us for mugs. 

[saintant]

40 minutes ago, SaintNewForest said:

I thought he was a good lad who was knuckling down and getting on with it? 🤣

That's what I was told so why isn't he training with his team mates ahead of our first game of the season? Surely that's what a 'good lad' would want to do.

[hypochondriac]

43 minutes ago, SaintNewForest said:

I thought he was a good lad who was knuckling down and getting on with it? 🤣

According to the echo reporter he is. 

[Pamplemousse]

11 minutes ago, saintant said:

That's what I was told so why isn't he training with his team mates ahead of our first game of the season? Surely that's what a 'good lad' would want to do.

Will Still has probably made the decision himself. He may not be 100% in terms of fitness and wouldn't be ready to play anyway, we don't know.

[egg]

4 hours ago, Harry_SFC said:

Exactly. It sounds like Saints have put a very good contract offer to him. There's nothing stopping him signing it and helping us get promoted this season and maybe help us stay there before moving onto a top 4 club if he excels. He's still very young, there's no massive need for him to jump ship now. 

That only works if the club let you go and don't hold you to the contract. Doubtless he wouldn't want a Lallana type situation.

The only compromise would be a lucrative 1 year extension, but if I were him, I'd be after a decent 4 year deal with an established PL club now.

Everton feels a good move to me - not too much expectation, but no real risk of relegation. Everton is a stepping stone to a top 4 club. Saints in the championship isn't. 

[Pamplemousse]

1 minute ago, Pamplemousse said:

Will Still has probably made the decision himself. He may not be 100% in terms of fitness and wouldn't be ready to play anyway, we don't know.

Jack Rosser has said WS made the decision. I put that out just before it was posted on Twitter haha. Does this make me ITK? 1% hit rate

[hypochondriac]

The Sun say that Dibling is doing fitness work with a small group of players. I wonder who the other players are? Maybe Smallbone and Aribo? Who was missing in the training shots on Monday? 

[egg]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

The Sun say that Dibling is doing fitness work with a small group of players. I wonder who the other players are? Maybe Smallbone and Aribo? Who was missing in the training shots on Monday? 

Probably, and anyone else who's likely to be off. ABK I'd imagine will be in that group. 

[Pamplemousse]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/36176238/tyler-dibling-southampton-everton-transfer-training/

 

TYLER DIBLING is training away from the first team at Southampton with his future uncertain.

Saints have rejected two bids from Everton for the teenager. 

The Toffees’ latest bid was £40million, with relegated Saints setting an asking price of £45m before add ons.

David Moyes is desperate to add a winger but the club are now deciding whether to move on due to Southampton’s valuation.

Saints begin their Championship season at home to Wrexham on Saturday and with Dibling’s future up in the air, new boss Will Still has decided the youngster should not be part of first team training.

Dibling is now working with a small group of players doing only fitness work while a solution is worked on. 

The 19-year-old scored two goals in 33 Premier League appearances last season, making a flying start under Russell Martin before struggling with injury and confidence issues towards the end of the campaign.

Southampton are looking to trim the size of their squad this summer.

Paul Onuachu, Jan Bednarek and Kamaldeen Sulemana have all already left on permanent deals.

Dibling is expected to follow, while there is mounting interest in midfielder Mateus Fernandes. 

West Ham have expressed an interest, though there are also a number of European clubs monitoring his situation, including Atletico Madrid.

Joe Aribo has been the subject of interest from Turkish side Besiktas but is reluctant to move to Turkey, while Will Smallbone could move on.

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

Probably, and anyone else who's likely to be off. ABK I'd imagine will be in that group. 

Good shout. This sort of thing is entirely standard whilst subject to big bids that haven't been resolved. 99% likely he leaves and never plays for us again but if he doesn't he can easily be reintegrated once the window closes. 

[kitch]

7 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/36176238/tyler-dibling-southampton-everton-transfer-training/

while Will Smallbone could move on.

If it wasn't in the Scum, I'd have been encouraged by this claim.