Tyler Dibling

[Chez]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

Echo journo stating we want 50 million each for fernandes and Dibling. If we got that you'd have to say it's understandable why we would sell. 

The info coming from SFC/Echo has been pretty consistent "Saints want £40-£50m for Dibling". First time I've seen them say the same about Fernandes. IDo you know who is leading the chase/made actual bids for him? I've lost track.

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, beatlesaint said:

Yes you can. Personally I'd want more for Fernandes than Dibling cos for buying clubs he's good to go as he is, Tyler is still a bit of a rough diamond.

Tyler has the English premium though. I'd maybe try for 60 with Fernandes if we really have the amount of clubs circling. 

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Chez said:

The info coming from SFC/Echo has been pretty consistent "Saints want £40-£50m for Dibling". First time I've seen them say the same about Fernandes. IDo you know who is leading the chase/made actual bids for him? I've lost track.

Not sure anyone has made a bid for nernandes yet but sounds like loads of clubs are interested. 

[Chez]

1 minute ago, beatlesaint said:

Yes you can. Personally I'd want more for Fernandes than Dibling cos for buying clubs he's good to go as he is, Tyler is still a bit of a rough diamond.

Fair point, but I'd say the ability to go past players is a move valuable/expensive trait. 

[Roger]

So they haven’t said 50 million for Fernandes. He just said around the same. Fernandez is the one they want to keep. 

[Convict Colony]

Well this game is only going one way, we are not really under an pressure to sell (i.e financial Armageddon) so happy for the club to sit tight and go into the next few weeks with the players we already have.

Id rather wait for more money and hopefully wait for when the better players who thought they would have offers find out they dont and will consider other options.

Edited 16 hours ago by Convict Colony

[Chez]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Not sure anyone has made a bid for nernandes yet but sounds like loads of clubs are interested. 

Google has Leeds, Villa, Palace, Forest, West Ham, Juve, Athletico linked. Not sure who the other half dozen are. The £50m price tag will see a lot of those interested parties disappear. Who is realistically left?  

[Convict Colony]

Who did wolves get to replace cunha ?

[Chez]

4 minutes ago, Roger said:

So they haven’t said 50 million for Fernandes. He just said around the same. Fernandez is the one they want to keep. 

and the long contract (and other sales) means SFC hold pretty much all the cards. Maybe that's why the player is now suddenly "ill". 

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, Chez said:

Google has Leeds, Villa, Palace, Forest, West Ham, Juve, Athletico linked. Not sure who the other half dozen are. The £50m price tag will see a lot of those interested parties disappear. Who is realisti

Saint lambden suggested a few yesterday 

[Chez]

3 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Who did wolves get to replace cunha ?

no one, yet. The bought Larsen outright. They have been linked with Amine Adil from Leverkusen.

[Saint Scott]

16 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Echo journo stating we want 50 million each for fernandes and Dibling. If we got that you'd have to say it's understandable why we would sell. 

@LeG mentioned yesterday that the club are optimisic in getting a club record fee for Fernandes (currently £70m for VVD)

[ally_uk]

Are other clubs actually interested in Dibling ? If so sit tight and let the bidding war commence. 

[Saint Scott]

1 minute ago, ally_uk said:

Are other clubs actually interested in Dibling ? If so sit tight and let the bidding war commence. 

Everton, Spurs, Man Utd, Liverpool + 1 German side

Dortmund could be a wise move for Tyler

Edited 16 hours ago by Saint Scott

[hypochondriac]

5 minutes ago, Chez said:

and the long contract (and other sales) means SFC hold pretty much all the cards. Maybe that's why the player is now suddenly "ill". 

Forest, West Ham, Fulham, Porto, Galatasary, Al-Qadsiah, Juventus, Inter, Atalanta (I wonder why) and Monaco are some of those I know of who have active interest, no idea how many - if any - have bid. 

[Saint Scott]

Everton sleep walking into another missed target.

[Willo of Whiteley]

Saints going down the “put up or shut up” route 👍🏻

[Chez]

17 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Saint lambden suggested a few yesterday 

Found his post. He said: Forest, West Ham, Fulham, Porto, Galatasary, Al-Qadsiah, Juventus, Inter, Atalanta and Monaco.

Having read the Paul Pogba article on the BBC website, Monaco seems very unlikely due to overall lack of funds and desire to add a little more experience to an extremely young squad. Porto are not spending £50m. Juve spent £48m on Koopmeiners last summer. Have they given up on him already? 

Edited 16 hours ago by Chez

[Chez]

4 minutes ago, Saint Scott said:

Everton sleep walking into another missed target.

Is any of this "transfer negotiation detail" actually coming from the clubs or is it just made up/assumed? I am minded of all the bollocks that was written/posted when Lavia was departing. He'd signed about 8 times with Liverpool before the actual signing with Chelsea happened. 

[LuckyNumber7]

35 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Who did wolves get to replace cunha ?

Not viewed as a direct replacement, but they did sign this guy.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cjd2dlek1z7o

[S-Clarke]

There has been a lot of criticism over SR, and rightly so, they've been awful.....but the one thing I can hold them in good light for are the sales and what we get for players.

£50-60m for Lavia, 35-40m for Tino, £35m for JWP, £20-25m for Tella, £15-20m for Sullemana(!!!!!!). So we're never short changed or pushed around by selling clubs, not sure where that view has come from.

I have full confidence that they'll get top, top dollar for both Dibling and Fernandes - if not, they'll stay. Simples.

The entire model of their operation is a sell-to-profit setup, so this is one thing they have to be good at - and they are.

[Saint86]

27 minutes ago, Saint Scott said:

Everton sleep walking into another missed target.

If we are asking for £50M then in all likelihood they're just playing lip service to the fans re "we tried".

[Smirking_Saint]

6 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

There has been a lot of criticism over SR, and rightly so, they've been awful.....but the one thing I can hold them in good light for are the sales and what we get for players.

£50-60m for Lavia, 35-40m for Tino, £35m for JWP, £20-25m for Tella, £15-20m for Sullemana(!!!!!!). So we're never short changed or pushed around by selling clubs, not sure where that view has come from.

I have full confidence that they'll get top, top dollar for both Dibling and Fernandes - if not, they'll stay. Simples.

The entire model of their operation is a sell-to-profit setup, so this is one thing they have to be good at - and they are.

I think the key difference is we have money under SR and they actually want to see us progress, albeit doing a fairly shit job… where as Gao put no money in, so Semmens basically had to take money where and when he could to stay affloat

[Dman]

44 minutes ago, Saint Scott said:

@LeG mentioned yesterday that the club are optimisic in getting a club record fee for Fernandes (currently £70m for VVD)

Absolultely no chance. We'd do increadibly well to get 60m - on par with Lavia for me.

He's going to the top though, I've no doubt about that. 

[Lighthouse]

21 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

If we are asking for £50M then in all likelihood they're just playing lip service to the fans re "we tried".

How can they be paying lip service to the fans if they haven't actually said anything?

[hypochondriac]

24 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

If we are asking for £50M then in all likelihood they're just playing lip service to the fans re "we tried".

How so? That would only be the case if we then accept a lower figure. I am sure internally we are well aware of if he is going or not and will be looking to extract maximum value. Say what you like about sports republic but they are good at selling players for higher values than you might expect. 50 million for Dibling if we get that is excellent business and everyone in this league bar about three other clubs would kill to have an asset worth that amount. The likes of Oxford's entire squad is probably worth that much. 

[sockeye]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

50 million for Dibling if we get that is excellent business and everyone in this league bar about three other clubs would kill to have an asset worth that amount.

And we’ll probably pull in at least three  times that in total this window if we sell Fernandes as well.

crazy money. Props to SR

[S-Clarke]

1 hour ago, Smirking_Saint said:

I think the key difference is we have money under SR and they actually want to see us progress, albeit doing a fairly shit job… where as Gao put no money in, so Semmens basically had to take money where and when he could to stay affloat

That's how I see it, I've never questioned their intentions as I think they're pretty aligned on progressing us given the money they've invested, it's just their execution of pretty much every major decision has been awful.

Had they got the big decisions right (probably starting with the Jones appointment), and continued to put the money in, we'd have been in a good place imo.

Edited 14 hours ago by S-Clarke

[Thereisonlyonemickychannon]

Take the money. Let him go

[hypochondriac]

5 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

That's how I see it, I've never questioned their intentions as I think they're pretty aligned on progressing us given the money they've invested, it's just their execution of pretty much every major decision has been awful.

Had they got the big decisions right (probably starting with the Jones appointment), and continued to put the money in, we'd have been in a good place imo.

I'm hoping that Spors will go some way to sorting this. If they can do the selling side and investing money (and commercial off pitch stuff tbf that's been decent) and leave l the rest to someone else that would be ideal. 

[SuperSAINT]

11 minutes ago, Thereisonlyonemickychannon said:

Take the money. Let him go

Welcome to the forum, Tyler’s agent 

[John B]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

How can they be paying lip service to the fans if they haven't actually said anything?

£50 m for Dibling who has done little in the PL is pretty ridiculous 

[Give it to Ron]

4 minutes ago, John B said:

£50 m for Dibling who has done little in the PL is pretty ridiculous 

Agreed going by what Spurs paid for Gray I think 45m would be great deal but guess the club want that figure. I would say they know what doing but giving Stephens a 3 year deal has me doubting that.

[Badger]

5 hours ago, gio1saints said:

Everton would love a new Rooney/box office star. I guess they see Tyler may be that. He may just as easily be Tottenham’s new Paul Gascoigne…

I like Dibling and hope he stays, or we get a mega deal if he has to go.

But as talented as he is, and even with the potential he has you’re getting far ahead of yourself with those comparisons, as seeing him as “box office”.

Rooney was the local lad up there, and more importantly hit the ground running immediately making a dramatic impact. Not easing him in, one for the future etc.

Gascoigne was just ‘Gazza ’ and brought with him off the field drama and front page news as well as skill make him ‘box office’.

Greatest will in the world, I don’t see that with Dibling. 

[saintant]

2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

There has been a lot of criticism over SR, and rightly so, they've been awful.....but the one thing I can hold them in good light for are the sales and what we get for players.

£50-60m for Lavia, 35-40m for Tino, £35m for JWP, £20-25m for Tella, £15-20m for Sullemana(!!!!!!). So we're never short changed or pushed around by selling clubs, not sure where that view has come from.

I have full confidence that they'll get top, top dollar for both Dibling and Fernandes - if not, they'll stay. Simples.

The entire model of their operation is a sell-to-profit setup, so this is one thing they have to be good at - and they are.

Unfortunately, it's also the reason they'll continue to fail to build any sort of decent side.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

There has been a lot of criticism over SR, and rightly so, they've been awful.....but the one thing I can hold them in good light for are the sales and what we get for players.

£50-60m for Lavia, 35-40m for Tino, £35m for JWP, £20-25m for Tella, £15-20m for Sullemana(!!!!!!). So we're never short changed or pushed around by selling clubs, not sure where that view has come from.

I have full confidence that they'll get top, top dollar for both Dibling and Fernandes - if not, they'll stay. Simples.

The entire model of their operation is a sell-to-profit setup, so this is one thing they have to be good at - and they are.

SR Transfer Out XI

Ramsdale (loan)

Tino Bednarek Salisu Peraud

Lavia Romeu

Tella JWP/Alcaraz Sule/Redmond

TP

 

KWP, Stu and Adams opting for frees

[Sheaf Saint]

From the GOT forum...

Totally contradicts what Will Still said yesterday about him being "fine and just getting on with it".

So who do we believe? WS? or some random scouser's mate's brother in law?

 

[Oldandtired]

2 hours ago, Chez said:

Is any of this "transfer negotiation detail" actually coming from the clubs or is it just made up/assumed? 

Fact? On Saintsweb?😂😂🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[Dragon_man]

2 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Saints going down the “put up or shut up” route 👍🏻

Problem is - if Saints have an average mid table season and Dibbling does his usual turning up for one game a month, then his value next summer will be more like £15m. I'd take anything approaching £40m now.

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Dragon_man said:

Problem is - if Saints have an average mid table season and Dibbling does his usual turning up for one game a month, then his value next summer will be more like £15m. I'd take anything approaching £40m now.

Alternatively he has a great season for us and contributes significantly to us getting promoted. All moot though because he's leaving. 

[Saint86]

15 hours ago, Chez said:

If his agent allowed him to sign a new contract with Saints over the last 12 months, he would have badly advised him.

The agent's job is to see pound signs. That is literally what the player pays him for. To help him earn more money. 

However, the idea that the agent pushed him into a move so he personally could make a quick buck is not accurate either. The agent would probably have got 10% of his earnings this past year. Someone posted on here that Dibling was on £5k a week. I've no idea if that is true, but let's run with it. That's £250k a year, so £25k to the agent. If he had signed a new contract with Saints 12 months ago on say, £50k a week, that would be £2.5m a year, so £250,000 to the agent. The agent just missed out on £225k and any percentage of the signing on bonus Saints were offering by telling the player not to sign a new deal.

The player had to be patient. But so did the agent. He knew that one way or another Dibling and himself would get paid and the longer they waited the more they would get.

He told him to sit tight because it also offered more flexibility in terms and a way out if Saints went down and he wanted to continue in the PL (and not have to take a 40% cut in wage). Equally if Saints stayed up and he wanted to stay, by waiting a year or even two, Saints would consider offering him a better deal than they were before or risk losing him for free at some point.

And now 12 months later, he is about to get paid a lot more than Saints were offering.

The agent has played it perfectly. The advice, in order to maximise his income, was spot on. He's now going to get £100k+ a week for four or five years, probably a massive loyalty bonus due to Saints profiting off his back and a signing on fee from the buyer to boot. The lost £2.25m is a distant memory.

There is more than just money to adding value to a 19year olds career.

Had he stayed, he would almost certainly have been one of the players of the year in the champ and and a shoe in to win young player of the year as a minimum. His confidence would have been through the roof, admirers would have been looking at him from all angles, and he would have developed himself in a more physical league with regular playing time and without the spotlight of the premier league. Barring an injury, he would have come out of the championship a better player than he will after a year of semi regular playing at a mid table prem team, or on the bench / as a squad player at a bigger club. Equally, if it is all about money for him (i.e., grabbing a big pay cheque in the short term at the risk of longer term earnings), the only implication there is that he doesn't back himself to get better and command the interest of the bigger paying clubs in the future... which i doubt very much is the case.

He could (and should) be the next Jack Grealish in all seriousness - a 19year old kid absolutely ripping up the championship, the biggest clubs in europe all looking at him, and commanding a £100M+ transfer fee and hundreds of thousands a week and playing champions league in 2-3 seasons... I doubt he'll have that kind of impact with the kind of moves being mooted, so I'd say he's been pretty badly advised as well tbh.

Also, footballers these days earn obscene amounts of money where ever they end up - if it is "all about is money" to one as talented as dibling then its a sad state of affairs for the modern game - whatever contract he signs next, he (and his future family) are set for life regardless...

Edited 13 hours ago by Saint86

[Chez]

15 minutes ago, Oldandtired said:

Fact? On Saintsweb?😂😂🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

I meant the detail being given by the journalists like Ornstein via their twitter accounts.

[Dragon_man]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Alternatively he has a great season for us and contributes significantly to us getting promoted. All moot though because he's leaving. 

Fernandes is key, I bet Dibling knows that too. If Fernandes goes, and given our record of recruitment, promotion looks a heavy lift from here. Its not as if we have talent all over the park.

GK - Bazunu (OK at best)

Defenders - Average

Midfield - After Fernandes it looks weak

Stikers - Lets not go there. If Armstrong fails to do his 'championhsip' thing, its trouble

I'd say were in a much worse position than we were this time 2 years ago when last relegated.

4 weeks to go to get quality in, probably 4 games to play without (assuming Dibling and Fernandes have 'niggles')

  

[Chez]

2 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

There is more than just money to adding value to a 19year olds career.

Had he stayed, he would almost certainly have been one of the players of the year in the champ and and a shoe in to win young player of the year as a minimum. His confidence would have been through the roof, admirers would have been looking at him from all angles, and he would have developed himself in a more physical league with regular playing time and without the spotlight of the premier league. Barring an injury, he would have come out of the championship a better player than he will after a year of semi regular playing at a mid table prem team, or on the bench / as a squad player at a bigger club. Equally, if it is all about money for him (i.e., grabbing a big pay check in the short term at the risk of longer term earnings), the only implication there is that he doesn't back himself to get better and command the interest of the bigger paying clubs in the future... which i doubt very much is the case.

His confidence is just fine. He doesn't need to drop down a division to build it up. He's the real deal and has shown it already. 

The idea that the championship is a more physical league than the PL is bollocks. The players in the PL and bigger, faster and better. You have to be strong, fast and absolutely spot on with your touch and decision making. 

How do you know he won't play most weeks for Everton? Even if he only plays half the games, he'll benefit from playing against better players more than outclassing championship defenders.

He's been in the limelight for some time - a whole season in the PL in fact. He's played at places like Old Trafford. You talk like he maybe can't handle the pressure and needs to be eased in. He's already been eased in (when we are in the championship) and then been given his opportunity last season and thrived. Playing for Everton isn't going to phase him. 

Of course money is a factor, but playing in the PL is also key. If we had survived and looked to kick on, then he may well have signed a new deal. But we fucked it and our window of opportunity was lost.

He backs himself fully. I think you misunderstand what it takes to become a professional footballer.

[Saint Fan CaM]

14 minutes ago, Dragon_man said:

Fernandes is key, I bet Dibling knows that too. If Fernandes goes, and given our record of recruitment, promotion looks a heavy lift from here. Its not as if we have talent all over the park.

GK - Bazunu (OK at best)

Defenders - Average

Midfield - After Fernandes it looks weak

Stikers - Lets not go there. If Armstrong fails to do his 'championhsip' thing, its trouble

I'd say were in a much worse position than we were this time 2 years ago when last relegated.

4 weeks to go to get quality in, probably 4 games to play without (assuming Dibling and Fernandes have 'niggles')

  

It doesn’t look terribly positive so far, but there’s many here that will insist the squad is good enough for an auto slot! Rude awakening incoming.

[S-Clarke]

39 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

From the GOT forum...

Totally contradicts what Will Still said yesterday about him being "fine and just getting on with it".

So who do we believe? WS? or some random scouser's mate's brother in law?

 

Ah we're firmly in silly season, already at the point where posters make up nonsense on internet forums to try and sound ITK.

[hypochondriac]

25 minutes ago, Dragon_man said:

Fernandes is key, I bet Dibling knows that too. If Fernandes goes, and given our record of recruitment, promotion looks a heavy lift from here. Its not as if we have talent all over the park.

GK - Bazunu (OK at best)

Defenders - Average

Midfield - After Fernandes it looks weak

Stikers - Lets not go there. If Armstrong fails to do his 'championhsip' thing, its trouble

I'd say were in a much worse position than we were this time 2 years ago when last relegated.

4 weeks to go to get quality in, probably 4 games to play without (assuming Dibling and Fernandes have 'niggles')

  

I'm not as pessimistic as that because I think you don't appreciate how there are a lot of shit teams in this league. The like of THB, Sugawara, Wellington, Edwards and likely Quarshie are far from average in this league and would get in the squads of almost every team in the league. I agree that attacking midfield is weak but central midfield is up there with the best in the division. I definitely want reinforcements in attack but I'd say our problem isn't that we don't have players capable of scoring goals, it's that beyond Fernandes we have almost no one to create the chances that lead to goals. A Tadic type or even a Schneiderlin is incredibly important for this team. We will definitely get a player or two in for those creative positions, I'm just a bit bummed out we couldn't have strengthened at least a little in those areas prior to the season starting. 

[hypochondriac]

7 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Ah we're firmly in silly season, already at the point where posters make up nonsense on internet forums to try and sound ITK.

This will be easy to prove when he hands in a transfer request. Any time....

[Forester]

To me this is one of the easier dilemmas we have faced.  With the caveat that the more reliable sources are correct.

£50 million (in some form) is decent value for a highly promising but unpredictable talent.  
 

However, if it isn’t met, he stays.  We hear he isn’t a problem player.  But crucially, unlike an older player moving through his contract at say aged 28 does anyone seriously think his valuation will fall over one year?  
 

And so I hope we don’t budge an inch and the ball is in Everton or whoever’s court.  Pay up or fuck off

[Jimmy_D]

My take, we’ve set our stall out on fee now. Either Everton (or a gazumper) stump that up and we buy a replacement, or we’re in effect paying whatever his value drops (or possibly doesn’t if he has a stormer) to have him playing for us this season, with the possibility we get promoted and he signs a new contract.

Feels like the club are pretty relaxed with either option.