Russell Martin

[saintant]

9 hours ago, trousers said:

The exorcising of 'Russball' continues apace...

 

 

I like this strategy from Will. No sugar coating - just come out and say with honesty and clarity what he wants and expects from Archer.  Up to him to deliver now and with the players we've brought in he should get the ammunition.

Edited Friday at 17:39 by saintant

[coalman]

1 hour ago, Saint_clark said:

Fucking reminded me of this. 

Edit; if anyone can figure out how to embed this please reply with it in your comment, I'm obviously tech illiterate now.

https://youtu.be/_DtR3Oyq5a8?si=rVhkpnf64DTwenlU

You want to change
https://youtu.be to https://youtube.com
and remove everything after the ?

That'll cause the forum to embed the video but it takes a second to figure it out after you've pasted it

 

 

 

 

[Saint_clark]

22 minutes ago, coalman said:

You want to change
https://youtu.be to https://youtube.com
and remove everything after the ?

That'll cause the forum to embed the video but it takes a second to figure it out after you've pasted it

 

 

 

 

Legend, cheers mate.

[AlexLaw76]

2 hours ago, coalman said:

Staff have told him he's improved things but he's not at liberty to say what.

 

Fair play to their journos. Not waiting or trusting the process.

Notice he is no where near as prickly in his interviews up there as he was here

[Sheaf Saint]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Fair play to their journos. Not waiting or trusting the process.

Notice he is no where near as prickly in his interviews up there as he was here

Probably knows from his time there as a player that he's far more likely to get his heed kicked in if he tries gaslighting the fans in the way he did with us.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

5 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Fair play to their journos. Not waiting or trusting the process.

Notice he is no where near as prickly in his interviews up there as he was here

He really, really disliked that question. But he knows he has to take whatever is dished out, until he can turn it around. His start, and the last result, means he can't have the same response. He feels just the same.

[coalman]

12 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Fair play to their journos. Not waiting or trusting the process.

Notice he is no where near as prickly in his interviews up there as he was here

He was pretty prickly when they asked him if he'd fallen out with Raskin.

[AlexLaw76]

11 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Probably knows from his time there as a player that he's far more likely to get his heed kicked in if he tries gaslighting the fans in the way he did with us.

It started with us at the Fans Forum, before a ball was kick really, when someone asked a legitimate question about Bazunu. 

[Miltonaggro]

[markr27]

At least all the Rangers fans, should their team lose on Sunday, can take some solace in the fact that it should be a brave performance.

[saintant]

2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Fair play to their journos. Not waiting or trusting the process.

Notice he is no where near as prickly in his interviews up there as he was here

Oh he was today, he was clearly losing his shit with the journos who asked tougher questions.

[Sarnia Cherie]

1 hour ago, markr27 said:

At least all the Rangers fans, should their team lose on Sunday, can take some solace in the fact that it should be a brave performance.

How many times did he tell us that? He told Rangers supporters mid week that their players don't have enough harmony and care for each other. What a load of claptrap. He's spent too much time with Wankersen.

[trousers]

😂

 

[trousers]

1 hour ago, saintant said:

Oh he was today, he was clearly losing his shit with the journos who asked tougher questions.

Aye...

 

 

[Colinjb]

This is astonishing. It truly is, he sits there and peddles that shite. 

The question about what he believes he has improved since he has been there. Complete deflection..... "You should ask people in the building."

You are in the building, here, talking and are in theory in charge of the whole shebang. What an absolute tosser.

 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

11 hours ago, Colinjb said:

This is astonishing. It truly is, he sits there and peddles that shite. 

The question about what he believes he has improved since he has been there. Complete deflection..... "You should ask people in the building."

You are in the building, here, talking and are in theory in charge of the whole shebang. What an absolute tosser.

 

On the other hand...

The name things you have improved stuff, is an obvious trap. Whatever he says, in the face of results, then becomes a separate story in itself, and debated and slammed endlessly. So, he made the common sense decision, and did not engage with it.

The question was punted by a rugby writer, with a shallow knowledge of football, who is much more interested in clicks and controversy. It pains him when things are going well. Martin knows who it is asking, and you can see that in the response too. 

As for the rest of it, it's the same as with all his other clubs. He believes in what he's doing. It's got him multiple well paid jobs. No amount of opinion, well intentioned or not, good advice or not, is going to change that. Win or lose, he has his vision. 

Even the most supportive don't go beyond the next 3 games without something tangible moving that vision to reality.

Not like me to bother about a win in the sectarian derby, but I'd like to see more of Martin's system readily available on TV. So, I hope they are least come out with something.

[Whitey Grandad]

Just now, Holmes_and_Watson said:

On the other hand...

The name things you have improved stuff, is an obvious trap. Whatever he says, in the face of results, then becomes a separate story in itself, and debated and slammed endlessly. So, he made the common sense decision, and did not engage with it.

The question was punted by a rugby writer, with a shallow knowledge of football, who is much more interested in clicks and controversy. It pains him when things are going well. Martin knows who it is asking, and you can see that in the response too. 

As for the rest of it, it's the same as with all his other clubs. He believes in what he's doing. It's got him multiple well paid jobs. No amount of opinion, well intentioned or not, good advice or not, is going to change that. Win or lose, he has his vision. 

Even the most supportive don't go beyond the next 3 games without something tangible moving that vision to reality.

Not like me to bother about a win in the sectarian derby, but I'd like to see more of Martin's system readily available on TV. So, I hope they are least come out with something.

Let's hope not 🫣

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Just now, Whitey Grandad said:

Let's hope not 🫣

From a safe, experimental distance like this! 🙂

[Whitey Grandad]

Just now, Holmes_and_Watson said:

From a safe, experimental distance like this! 🙂

As an intellectual study i can understand why you might. I also need a good laugh.

[coalman]

I also find watching Martin's sides far more pleasing than when he was managing Saints. It's a guilty pleasure like watching Big Brother where you know you shouldn't but find yourself drawn in.

25 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

As an intellectual study i can understand why you might. I also need a good laugh.

 

[skintsaint]

Part of me wants a Rangers win tomorrow to prolong it all, but the other part wants him to get humped and sacked in the most humiliating way  

[Whitey Grandad]

8 minutes ago, coalman said:

I also find watching Martin's sides far more pleasing than when he was managing Saints. It's a guilty pleasure like watching Big Brother where you know you shouldn't but find yourself drawn in.

 

I bet you're fun at car crashes 😉

[Whitey Grandad]

6 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Part of me wants a Rangers win tomorrow to prolong it all, but the other part wants him to get humped and sacked in the most humiliating way  

A public humping is too good for him. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 minute ago, skintsaint said:

Part of me wants a Rangers win tomorrow to prolong it all, but the other part wants him to get humped and sacked in the most humiliating way  

Getting the boot from an Old Firm defeat is the safe, non scarring option.

Having to sack him after a 5-0 defeat from a Highland League outfit in the cup leaves lasting scar tissue.

"I was surprised by the pace and physicality of Hot Shot Hamish in the Highland League."

[sockeye]

Tomorrow will be a fantastic hate watch.

[miserableoldgit]

1 hour ago, sockeye said:

Tomorrow will be a fantastic hate watch.

He really must be dreading it!

[Badger]

4 hours ago, miserableoldgit said:

He really must be dreading it!

Will he wear a suit for the occasion? 

[die Mannyschaft]

RM will pull a winout the bag v Celtic, two crap teams playing in championship level leaque. I was looking forward to RM winning the Scottish title. 

[skintsaint]

43 minutes ago, Badger said:

Will he wear a suit for the occasion? 

I do love that is one thing that is winding the fans up as well.

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, skintsaint said:

I do love that is one thing that is winding the fans up as well.

 

2 hours ago, Badger said:

Will he wear a suit for the occasion? 

Best that Russ doesn’t attend the White House

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, die Mannyschaft said:

RM will pull a winout the bag v Celtic, two crap teams playing in championship level leaque. I was looking forward to RM winning the Scottish title. 

Nah. Celtic are bringing out the black mamba and they're going in dry. 

 

[Saint NL]

Big day today.

A heavy loss and it'll be the last time we see his glorious hair in a long time.

[trousers]

If Martin is consistent with our Championship season he'll ditch 'Russball' for this match and get something out of the game as a result, much like he did whenever we played Leeds (which happened to coincide with coming off the back of a bad run each time). 

[gio1saints]

Good Luck Russell. I hope the Universe gives you what you deserve today. 

Maybe you need to finally crash and burn today. Your Buddhist inspired footballing beliefs are either out of date or ahead of their time. Either way they are not working today - again. 
 

Most people criticising you have not the faintest clue about your character and personal approach to life, football and the universe. But if football catches up with your thinking - or vice versa - or you find the genius of being able to flexibly adapt to the circumstances - then I’m certain you will overcome. 

Just don’t be mediocre like 99.9% of your critics. Return from battle with your shield  - or on it. The Spartan approach is still laudable in my eyes even if so many nowadays think it’s a principle to be mocked. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

7 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

I hope the Universe gives you what you deserve today. 

I think a lot of people believe he's going to get what he deserves, but with a different outcome in mind. 🙂

 

[Saint_clark]

17 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Good Luck Russell. I hope the Universe gives you what you deserve today. 

Maybe you need to finally crash and burn today. Your Buddhist inspired footballing beliefs are either out of date or ahead of their time. Either way they are not working today - again. 
 

Most people criticising you have not the faintest clue about your character and personal approach to life, football and the universe. But if football catches up with your thinking - or vice versa - or you find the genius of being able to flexibly adapt to the circumstances - then I’m certain you will overcome. 

Just don’t be mediocre like 99.9% of your critics. Return from battle with your shield  - or on it. The Spartan approach is still laudable in my eyes even if so many nowadays think it’s a principle to be mocked. 

This is why you shouldn't post before the nurse dispenses morning meds.

[RedArmy]

22 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Good Luck Russell. I hope the Universe gives you what you deserve today. 

Maybe you need to finally crash and burn today. Your Buddhist inspired footballing beliefs are either out of date or ahead of their time. Either way they are not working today - again. 
 

Most people criticising you have not the faintest clue about your character and personal approach to life, football and the universe. But if football catches up with your thinking - or vice versa - or you find the genius of being able to flexibly adapt to the circumstances - then I’m certain you will overcome. 

Just don’t be mediocre like 99.9% of your critics. Return from battle with your shield  - or on it. The Spartan approach is still laudable in my eyes even if so many nowadays think it’s a principle to be mocked. 

Are you always drunk this early on a Sunday or are you still going from last night? 

[gio1saints]

4 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

This is why you shouldn't post before the nurse dispenses morning meds.

 Do you have any beliefs that are non negotiable ?  
 

My personal view is that people are increasingly disenchanted by conviction-less ideas - and leaders.  Politics great example. Black or white not endless shades if grey. 

FWIW I dont care so much about the football side of the discussion on Russell now he’s not our Manager. 

Now, this thread is more about human nature. I think it’s about the thirst for blood or revenge and is simply human nature. We are all ultimately flawed. Russell included. But he’s not grey and that’s at least one ✅ I give him. 

[gio1saints]

30 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

I think a lot of people believe he's going to get what he deserves, but with a different outcome in mind. 🙂

 

It’s always been this. Witch burnings always well attended. Public hangings ditto. Roman emperors games. We may not admit it ( well apart from a bunch of keyboard hardjobs here) but we revel in others suffering sometimes. We all do it. With Russell I only feel compassion. Everybody and his dog hates him for his beliefs. He’s not a murderer or child molester. I’f everyone hates him because of what he believes in count me out. If anything I’m on his side every time if that’s the issue. 

Edited Sunday at 09:59 by gio1saints

[coalman]

4 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

 Do you have any beliefs that are non negotiable ?  

My personal view is that people are increasingly disenchanted by conviction-less ideas - and leaders.  Politics great example. Black or white not endless shades if grey. 

Strongly held beliefs are at the heart of everything that is messed up with our planet. See: religion, politics. The world is full of aggressively stupid people who don't question their own beliefs. Having conviction is only admirable up to a point.

What's truly admirable, however, is when someone is able to question their own beliefs and learn. As someone I worked with used to describe it "strong beliefs, loosely held".

That being said, after I do reserve the right to indulge in a spot of Schadenfreude. For example I defy anyone to not enjoy this video of a man with strongly held convictions receiving some karma.

 

[coalman]

No Rothwell or Arrons in the 11 but, also, Raskin not even on the bench.

[gio1saints]

2 minutes ago, coalman said:

Strongly held beliefs are at the heart of everything that is messed up with our planet. See: religion, politics. The world is full of aggressively stupid people who don't question their own beliefs. Having conviction is only admirable up to a point.

What's truly admirable, however, is when someone is able to question their own beliefs and learn. As someone I worked with used to describe it "strong beliefs, loosely held".

That being said, after I do reserve the right to indulge in a spot of Schadenfreude. For example I defy anyone to not enjoy this video of a man with strongly held convictions receiving some karma.

 

I understand fully. I’ve an alternate viewpoint though. 
Decades of issue not ideological politics in UK and elsewhere has fostered a massive MEH everywhere  
 

Using your political issue based example Russell Martin is arguably the equivalent of Tony Benn - compared to Starner and Baddenoch. Those latter two will say anything to get a vote. And change opinion next day. And change again the next time it’s convenient. Russell says what he thinks. Don’t like it don’t like him- fine.  Like him or hate there’s no trickery though - unlike the others. Who you going to trust? 

[Suhari]

Think I'll give this a watch.

Do like a Sunday lunchtime comedy. Carry on up the Ibrox.

[Weston Super Saint]

3 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

I understand fully. I’ve an alternate viewpoint though. 
Decades of issue not ideological politics in UK and elsewhere has fostered a massive MEH everywhere  
 

Using your political issue based example Russell Martin is arguably the equivalent of Tony Benn - compared to Starner and Baddenoch. Those latter two will say anything to get a vote. And change opinion next day. And change again the next time it’s convenient. Russell says what he thinks. Don’t like it don’t like him- fine.  Like him or hate there’s no trickery though - unlike the others. Who you going to trust? 

More like Mr fucking Ben.

[beatlesaint]

3 minutes ago, coalman said:

No Rothwell or Arrons in the 11 but, also, Raskin not even on the bench.

Raskin's the one who's Dad called him out isnt it ? 

The Rangers fans will love that before a ball has even been kicked !

I reckon he'll get a result today to extend their agony another couple of months - process starting to show results blah blah blah

[coalman]

2 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

I understand fully. I’ve an alternate viewpoint though. 
Decades of issue not ideological politics in UK and elsewhere has fostered a massive MEH everywhere  
 

Using your political issue based example Russell Martin is arguably the equivalent of Tony Benn - compared to Starner and Baddenoch. Those latter two will say anything to get a vote. And change opinion next day. And change again the next time it’s convenient. Russell says what he thinks. Don’t like it don’t like him- fine.  Like him or hate there’s no trickery though - unlike the others. Who you going to trust? 

Martin doesn't do what he says though. If he walked the talk he's giving out it would be a different matter. He boasts about how his teams run harder than anyone else. He boasts about playing dominant front foot football. He tells us it's our fault that we don't understand football or we'd see his style was working.

I'm going to trust the person that does what they say they are going to do. I trust the person that respects my opinion rather than discounting it. I trust the person that can admit they are wrong and learns from their mistakes.

[whelk]

Want Rangers to win. Don’t give a fuck about Martin although it has been funny. Hate Celtic, the IRA supporting cunts who hate England 

[gio1saints]

Fair point. I’d think he’d point to fuck ups by his keeper and other players who know better like Aaron words in partial defence but they are not running as hard as they should period or executing either.
 

One theory is he’s not got the dressing room, unlike at SFC, and they are not all bought in. When he got us up they all knew we needed to change. But Rangers players may think they are top top and apart from Celtic it’s easy. What they really need  - yes just my personal opinion as ever - is a root and branch clear out of that entitled attitude. RM is a good leader for that but as I said a long whiles back I don’t think he will be there long enough. Out before Xmas my exact words. But would be a shame. Scottish football is so incestuous  it needs a major attitude upgrade! 

[Doctoroncall]

From news reports: Rangers’ American owners met the squad yesterday and made plain they had complete faith in Russell Martin, who will not be going anywhere.
 

By mid afternoon, how clever will that look? Part of the intrigue here is that people based in the US do not have to encounter the direct noise of Scotland. It feels easier for them to stick with a beleaguered manager.

Edited Sunday at 10:27 by Doctoroncall

[coalman]

5 minutes ago, Doctoroncall said:

From news reports: Rangers’ American owners met the squad yesterday and made plain they had complete faith in Russell Martin, who will not be going anywhere.
 

By mid afternoon, how clever will that look? Part of the intrigue here is that people based in the US do not have to encounter the direct noise of Scotland. It feels easier for them to stick with a beleaguered manager.

To be fair... if you've hired the guy you can't really sack him before the end of August. That being said you have to question your hiring process at some point. Much in the way we've despaired at our own over the last few years.