Gloucester Saint Posted June 18 Posted June 18 2 hours ago, samhammond said: Happy with that, Edozie offered far more in the Championship last time, as did Fraser come to that.
Saint Fan CaM Posted June 18 Posted June 18 24 minutes ago, ally_uk said: Sulemana is all fart and no end product..... He was certainly not all that in the EPL I would agree, but I’m sort of keen to know if the EFL with Still training him might unlock his potential. If only he and Dibling were not so keen on trying to beat 5 players to score a Worldy we might have had a better GD last season.
Wade Garrett Posted June 18 Posted June 18 1 hour ago, Lighthouse said: Ings has two goals in the last two years and isn't fit. Have you learned nothing from Lallana this season? Just my opinion, but thank you for correcting me Mr Oracle. 1
Willo of Whiteley Posted June 18 Posted June 18 I knew someone within the club for a short while that was a wealth of knowledge, always fascinating to know what rumours were happening. Not had anything for a while now, think they moved on pre-relegation two years ago. That said I did know someone who mentioned about Aaron Ramsdale being done nearly a month earlier than announced and that it was simply a case of when rather than if. 😅 Not heard anything this summer, in some ways I’m honestly not bothered. Transfers are so overhyped now, a bit like the Premier League as a whole, boredline showbiz than anything else. 1
gio1saints Posted June 18 Posted June 18 58 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said: He was certainly not all that in the EPL I would agree, but I’m sort of keen to know if the EFL with Still training him might unlock his potential. If only he and Dibling were not so keen on trying to beat 5 players to score a Worldy we might have had a better GD last season. Tyler and Kameldeen had nobody to pass to up front that could hold it and give it back. They barely had a midfield that could do that at times apart from Mat. Both would benefit from playing in a better team, with a proper striker. Nicking the ball on the edge of our penalty area like KS had to do so many times and then have to go past three just to get some space was only way he’d get a sniff if the ball - just pointless. Having Tyler labouring to cover a left winger attacking us or “ putting in a defensive shift” another plain waste of resources. They are both good attacking players and when they are in a proper team you will see that. 2
Miltonaggro Posted June 18 Posted June 18 1 hour ago, Wade Garrett said: Just my opinion, but thank you for correcting me Mr Oracle. 3
Farmer Saint Posted June 18 Posted June 18 4 hours ago, Wade Garrett said: Ings is far better than what we’ve got. Would be a good free transfer. I'd prefer Archer up front to be honest. Ings has been broken for years. 4
skintsaint Posted June 18 Posted June 18 4 hours ago, Wade Garrett said: Ings is far better than what we’ve got. Would be a good free transfer. I think he will end up at Wrexham or Birmingham, start the season well with a few goals, get injured, and there will be minimal involvement for the rest of the season. 5
Rebel Posted June 18 Posted June 18 if Ings is buying a house outside Winchester which needs a load of renovation / building work it doesn't necessarily mean he is planning to live there next year. It could be a long term plan to live in Winchester once he finally retires from playing football which makes sense given he's originally from there. For all we know it could take a year more to do all the work on the house he has just bought and he is planning on buying or renting somewhere to live wherever he ends up playing next season 2
Fabrice29 Posted June 18 Posted June 18 3 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said: He was certainly not all that in the EPL I would agree, but I’m sort of keen to know if the EFL with Still training him might unlock his potential. If only he and Dibling were not so keen on trying to beat 5 players to score a Worldy we might have had a better GD last season. This is the record for some of our players in the Championship last time. I know which one I am not sort of keen to see again personally. Only one of them seems to regularly get bought up as some sort of untapped potential on here though.
Midfield_General Posted June 18 Posted June 18 That Ings tweet is from an Aston Villa fan in Belgium with 190 followers. It’s just a complete random talking absolute bollocks. 2
Challenger Posted June 18 Posted June 18 8 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said: Beggars can’t be choosers; and quite frankly as much as we aren’t in a facial position to get rid of him on the cheap, why waste everyone’s time when he isn’t wanted and takes up a vast amount of wages? Get rid now, take this down as a lesson, and a huge loss - one that we’re already aware of - and move on. Agree, however this is yet another all too regular occurrence. The loss occurs at the purchase stage with SR rather than the sale.
Wade Garrett Posted June 18 Posted June 18 1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said: I'd prefer Archer up front to be honest. Ings has been broken for years. I think Archer is worth persevering with. He can finish, but the system last year really didn’t suit him. Hopefully that won’t be the case next season. Ings on a free is still a no-brainer for me though. His movement in the penalty area is brilliant, especially getting in front of the first man for those crosses. 6
UpweySaint Posted June 18 Posted June 18 9 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said: I think Archer is worth persevering with. He can finish, but the system last year really didn’t suit him. Hopefully that won’t be the case next season. Ings on a free is still a no-brainer for me though. His movement in the penalty area is brilliant, especially getting in front of the first man for those crosses. Broadly agree - there is a finisher in Archer and he may yet come good. Ings in for me depends on who goes and how any wages are structured. He could be a good option in the squad - he’s not the player he was when he was with us but we’ve not really got close to matching him since…
hypochondriac Posted June 18 Posted June 18 18 minutes ago, UpweySaint said: Broadly agree - there is a finisher in Archer and he may yet come good. Ings in for me depends on who goes and how any wages are structured. He could be a good option in the squad - he’s not the player he was when he was with us but we’ve not really got close to matching him since… The main thing is if we can afford Ings and Stewart given that both could break down. Archer, Stewart and Ings feels too light and Archer, Stewart, Ings and A.N.other feels like not a sensible use of our resources. If we didn't have Stewart then I'd agree that Ings would be worth a place but with him I'm not sure how we can justify it as much as I'd like to. 1
Farmer Saint Posted June 18 Posted June 18 1 hour ago, Wade Garrett said: I think Archer is worth persevering with. He can finish, but the system last year really didn’t suit him. Hopefully that won’t be the case next season. Ings on a free is still a no-brainer for me though. His movement in the penalty area is brilliant, especially getting in front of the first man for those crosses. His wages are huge though, and he can't get onto the end of a cross if he's injured. 1
Wade Garrett Posted June 18 Posted June 18 8 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: His wages are huge though, and he can't get onto the end of a cross if he's injured. Fair points.
UpweySaint Posted June 18 Posted June 18 1 hour ago, hypochondriac said: The main thing is if we can afford Ings and Stewart given that both could break down. Archer, Stewart and Ings feels too light and Archer, Stewart, Ings and A.N.other feels like not a sensible use of our resources. If we didn't have Stewart then I'd agree that Ings would be worth a place but with him I'm not sure how we can justify it as much as I'd like to. Fair point, difficult to justify carrying them both with the fitness risks. If Onuachu and Armstrong go and we bring in a younger striker on a lower wage who may need a bit of bedding in I could conceivably see us having Ings and Stewart in reserve with Archer the main man. If honest I don’t see Ings as likely but I wouldn’t be unhappy if we signed him.
Chez Posted June 18 Posted June 18 1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said: His wages are huge though, and he can't get onto the end of a cross if he's injured. If he is out of his contract, his wages will be what the next club deems fit. 3
hypochondriac Posted June 18 Posted June 18 1 hour ago, UpweySaint said: Fair point, difficult to justify carrying them both with the fitness risks. If Onuachu and Armstrong go and we bring in a younger striker on a lower wage who may need a bit of bedding in I could conceivably see us having Ings and Stewart in reserve with Archer the main man. If honest I don’t see Ings as likely but I wouldn’t be unhappy if we signed him. Could we really rely on two possibly injured strikers and then Archer who may or may not do anything next year?
Badger Posted June 18 Posted June 18 3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Could we really rely on two possibly injured strikers and then Archer who may or may not do anything next year? Answer is of course “no”. But this is Saints and in the past we’ve always been clever, and have known best.
MilwaukeeSaint Posted June 18 Posted June 18 (edited) Archer scored 11 goals and had 6 assists in 20 appearances his last time in the Championship. Not saying he is guaranteed to replicate that, but I certainly would bet on him being quite useful next season. Edited June 18 by MilwaukeeSaint
BarberSaint Posted June 18 Posted June 18 9 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said: He was certainly not all that in the EPL I would agree, but I’m sort of keen to know if the EFL with Still training him might unlock his potential. If only he and Dibling were not so keen on trying to beat 5 players to score a Worldy we might have had a better GD last season. Potential? Too much Champ Manager.
BarberSaint Posted June 18 Posted June 18 1 hour ago, MilwaukeeSaint said: Archer scored 11 goals and had 6 assists in 20 appearances his last time in the Championship. Not saying he is guaranteed to replicate that, but I certainly would bet on him being quite useful next season. Just like BBD?
Rebel Posted June 18 Posted June 18 We should stop kidding ourselves - we desperately need a first choice centre forward and have done for a long long time. I mean a 6ft 3 / 6ft 4 striker with pace and power - and ideally more than one so we have a backup as well. I would quite happily sell all of our current strikers - Armstrong, Archer, BBD, Ounachu and Stewart - in exchange for just one player like that. They scored just 6 or 7 goals or something like that for us this season between them all. Romulo from Goztepe would fit the bill perfectly it seems - and if we don’t end up with him or someone like him I just don’t see any point to this multi club model or the one way relationship we have with Goztepe. 1 1
Lighthouse Posted June 18 Posted June 18 39 minutes ago, BarberSaint said: Just like BBD? I'd have him over Ings next season, if it was a straight 50:50 choice, 100%. 2 1
Saint Fan CaM Posted June 18 Posted June 18 44 minutes ago, BarberSaint said: Potential? Too much Champ Manager. Eh? I’d keep off those mushrooms if I were you pal.
Saint Fan CaM Posted June 18 Posted June 18 22 minutes ago, Rebel said: We should stop kidding ourselves - we desperately need a first choice centre forward and have done for a long long time. I mean a 6ft 3 / 6ft 4 striker with pace and power - and ideally more than one so we have a backup as well. I would quite happily sell all of our current strikers - Armstrong, Archer, BBD, Ounachu and Stewart - in exchange for just one player like that. They scored just 6 or 7 goals or something like that for us this season between them all. Romulo from Goztepe would fit the bill perfectly it seems - and if we don’t end up with him or someone like him I just don’t see any point to this multi club model or the one way relationship we have with Goztepe. Can’t argue with that, although I think Stewart would be an ok player to hold in reserve.
Saint Fan CaM Posted June 18 Posted June 18 9 hours ago, gio1saints said: Tyler and Kameldeen had nobody to pass to up front that could hold it and give it back. They barely had a midfield that could do that at times apart from Mat. Both would benefit from playing in a better team, with a proper striker. Nicking the ball on the edge of our penalty area like KS had to do so many times and then have to go past three just to get some space was only way he’d get a sniff if the ball - just pointless. Having Tyler labouring to cover a left winger attacking us or “ putting in a defensive shift” another plain waste of resources. They are both good attacking players and when they are in a proper team you will see that. Tyler and Kameldeen were playing on their respective wings and didn’t get their heads up enough to see a pass. Happened countless times. Neither showed enough to demonstrate their abilities, albeit in the EPL. They were not the only culprits mind. It’s not helpful IMO to try to gloss over how shit that team really were at that level. It remains to be seen whether they’re capable in the Championship under a better manager/system. 2
MilwaukeeSaint Posted June 19 Posted June 19 2 hours ago, Rebel said: We should stop kidding ourselves - we desperately need a first choice centre forward and have done for a long long time. I mean a 6ft 3 / 6ft 4 striker with pace and power - and ideally more than one so we have a backup as well. I would quite happily sell all of our current strikers - Armstrong, Archer, BBD, Ounachu and Stewart - in exchange for just one player like that. They scored just 6 or 7 goals or something like that for us this season between them all. Romulo from Goztepe would fit the bill perfectly it seems - and if we don’t end up with him or someone like him I just don’t see any point to this multi club model or the one way relationship we have with Goztepe. Unfortunately it appears Leipzig are pushing for Romulo as well as Wolves being linked recently. Would’ve been a great signing but think that ship has sailed!
Willo of Whiteley Posted June 19 Posted June 19 (edited) Adam Armstrong would be worth keeping, his Championship record speaks for itself, he’s never going to be good enough for the Premier League, he signed a new contract, and to be sold would make another EFL team a promotion rival. I agree though we need a striker who is bulky, young-ish and has experience at a higher footballing level. Even Ferguson (Brighton) would be my choice, even if it were a loan. He certainly fits the mould of someone young that needs a bit of developing, a Will Still type signing. Edited June 19 by Willo of Whiteley 1
Saint_clark Posted June 19 Posted June 19 8 hours ago, BarberSaint said: Potential? Too much Champ Manager. What a day when the concept of "potential" is no longer considered a real world thing. 2 1
Saint_clark Posted June 19 Posted June 19 59 minutes ago, ally_uk said: Need someone in the mould of Granzino Pelle up top Tall, wins a lot of headers, scores goals from crosses high or on the ground into the box... Sounds just like Onuachu to me. 1
hypochondriac Posted June 19 Posted June 19 9 hours ago, MilwaukeeSaint said: Archer scored 11 goals and had 6 assists in 20 appearances his last time in the Championship. Not saying he is guaranteed to replicate that, but I certainly would bet on him being quite useful next season. So would I but just as likely that he is fairly average like last year. Could go either way at this point. 1
CSA96 Posted June 19 Posted June 19 Dragan Solak on this transfer window: "We will have to try to find new homes for a number of our players. We have to size down to maybe 25 or 26 players. We are already discussing the potential of selling players, but Johannes has three positions in which he told us we need to buy immediately. "We gave him this approval and the budget to buy these before we need to sell anything, and the first addition is a defender, Joshua Quarshie. "He's now working on a striker that he wants no matter what, that should come before we sell anybody, and we are working on a creative midfielder. "Sales are a bit different. Sometimes we get a lot of calls for players, and there is always a price where we will say yes, but these guys are smart. "They are not going to come with that price straight away. They will make us a few offers we have to refuse. Johannes is very smart in negotiations." 3
hypochondriac Posted June 19 Posted June 19 I know we already know this but if we are buying an attacking midfielder then Fernandes is definitely off. 2 1
Dman Posted June 19 Posted June 19 12 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: I know we already know this but if we are buying an attacking midfielder then Fernandes is definitely off. I mean, obviously he is as he is simply far too good and consistent for the championship. However, playing devils advocate, do we potentially need another anyway? Perhaps someone slightly different in make up - more technical etc. There would absouletly be times next season where we could play fernandes in a deeper role with someone else in the 10. 3
ally_uk Posted June 19 Posted June 19 I'm gonna go with Fotis that Greek striker up top. Or Miovski or Broja Those are my 3 choices
hypochondriac Posted June 19 Posted June 19 25 minutes ago, ally_uk said: I'm gonna go with Fotis that Greek striker up top. Or Miovski or Broja Those are my 3 choices Hasn't Broja been pretty ineffective since his horror injury? 5
Saint Billy Posted June 19 Posted June 19 I am more concerned with who we can ship out than get in at the moment as most of the present squad are less than bang average and played a part and are a reminder of one of our worst seasons in memory. 2
Mr Saints Posted June 19 Posted June 19 Knowing SR as we do, the striker will be Brett Pitman and we'll pay 10mil for him. 1 1
Matthew Le God Posted June 19 Posted June 19 1 minute ago, Mr Saints said: Knowing SR as we do, the striker will be Brett Pitman and we'll pay 10mil for him. We only have a tiny sample of 1 player that the new recruitment team can be judged on. 1
Weston Super Saint Posted June 19 Posted June 19 1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said: We only have a tiny sample of 1 player that the new recruitment team can be judged on. Not a glowing endorsement of our recruitment team then as that means they have NEVER recruited anyone in any other football club before joining us. Why not recruit an experienced recruitment team with a history of decent recruitment? Another example of blue sky thinking? 2
Lee On Solent Saint Posted June 19 Posted June 19 1 hour ago, Saint_clark said: Tall, wins a lot of headers, scores goals from crosses high or on the ground into the box... Sounds just like Onuachu to me. I don't get the rating for Onuachu. He's awful. Blowing out of his arse after half an hour. Just how many goals did he score last season? I guess everyone will trot out that we didn't play to his strengths etc, completely ignoring the fact that he is still utter gash. 3 2
tdmickey3 Posted June 19 Posted June 19 1 hour ago, CSA96 said: Dragan Solak on this transfer window: "We will have to try to find new homes for a number of our players. We have to size down to maybe 25 or 26 players. We are already discussing the potential of selling players, but Johannes has three positions in which he told us we need to buy immediately. "We gave him this approval and the budget to buy these before we need to sell anything, and the first addition is a defender, Joshua Quarshie. "He's now working on a striker that he wants no matter what, that should come before we sell anybody, and we are working on a creative midfielder. "Sales are a bit different. Sometimes we get a lot of calls for players, and there is always a price where we will say yes, but these guys are smart. "They are not going to come with that price straight away. They will make us a few offers we have to refuse. Johannes is very smart in negotiations." It should be 4 positions, we need another goalkeeper 7
Saint Fan CaM Posted June 19 Posted June 19 6 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said: It should be 4 positions, we need another goalkeeper That’s true as Lumley has gone, although I think Solak is talking about buys that don’t require sales first. It may signal good news in that we don’t need to sell Rambo (unlikely) or conversely bad news that Baz is back as no.1 (likely). 1
Saint Fan CaM Posted June 19 Posted June 19 1 hour ago, hypochondriac said: I know we already know this but if we are buying an attacking midfielder then Fernandes is definitely off. I expect you’re right, but wouldn’t it be great if we were able to have a decent sub option if Fernandes was not available? Just think of the number of times he ran himself into the ground, got subbed and then we lost the game thanks to a lack of squad depth/quality. It was a very key feature of last seasons shitfest. 2
Gloucester Saint Posted June 19 Posted June 19 8 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said: That’s true as Lumley has gone, although I think Solak is talking about buys that don’t require sales first. It may signal good news in that we don’t need to sell Rambo (unlikely) or conversely bad news that Baz is back as no.1 (likely). We are linked with a lot of first choice keepers though and Baz’s report card from Belgium was not good at all. He might end up as second choice if AM moves on in his final year. 1
tdmickey3 Posted June 19 Posted June 19 26 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said: We are linked with a lot of first choice keepers though and Baz’s report card from Belgium was not good at all. He might end up as second choice if AM moves on in his final year. Better of playing him in the nowhere position 3
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