Let's keep

[benjii]

Ramsdale (please....)

Suga, Bree, Edwards, Wood, Stephens, Wellington, French lad, Taylor (if he's keen). Sign one more CB. Ideally try to improve at RB too.

Downes, Charles, sign a defensive CM with pace and height and an attacking CM that's mint.

Robinson, Armstrong, Sulemana, Edozie, Stewart, Archer, plus sign another striker.

Fernandes, Dibling, THB, Janny B, Manning, KWP, Fraser, Aribo, Smallbone, ABK, BBD.... thank you and goodbye.

Edited May 25 by benjii

[Sevvy]

I'd like to keep Fernandes,but it very unlikely he will stay,  

Edited May 25 by Sevvy

[beatlesaint]

1 hour ago, benjii said:

Ramsdale (please....)

Suga, Bree, Edwards, Wood, Stephens, Wellington, French lad, Taylor (if he's keen). Sign one more CB. Ideally try to improve at RB too.

Downes, Charles, sign a defensive CM with pace and height and an attacking CM that's mint.

Robinson, Armstrong, Sulemana, Edozie, Stewart, Archer, plus sign another striker.

Fernandes, Dibling, THB, Janny B, Manning, KWP, Fraser, Aribo, Smallbone, ABK, BBD.... thank you and goodbye.

What on earth are you keeping Sulemana for? One good game today and your heads turned mate !

 

[Wade Garrett]

Ramsdale

Wellington

Downes

Fernandes

Stewart

Charles

Edwards

Taylor (wtf hasn’t he played more this season).

Couldn’t give a toss about anyone else.

[S-Clarke]

1 hour ago, benjii said:

Ramsdale (please....)

Suga, Bree, Edwards, Wood, Stephens, Wellington, French lad, Taylor (if he's keen). Sign one more CB. Ideally try to improve at RB too.

Downes, Charles, sign a defensive CM with pace and height and an attacking CM that's mint.

Robinson, Armstrong, Sulemana, Edozie, Stewart, Archer, plus sign another striker.

Fernandes, Dibling, THB, Janny B, Manning, KWP, Fraser, Aribo, Smallbone, ABK, BBD.... thank you and goodbye.

Personally I wouldn't lose sleep if 90% of the squad went, but I appreciate that's not achievable and we'll start the season with some of the same group. 

I can't see Ramsdale sticking around though, there will be a market for him at his rumoured release clause. I'd ditch Sulemena into the first taxi going, today summed him up perfectly really. Loads of pace, trickery, but zero end product. Let's not forget his last stint in the Championship, entirely uneventful and injury-ridden. I'd take what we can and close the chapter on the Sulemana story as soon as we can.

In terms of starting players, we need a new GK, new RB, new 10, new wide player(s), new centre forwards, new CB.

We're looking at 7-8 new additions in my eyes, I don't think that's too insurmountable. Expecting to lose Ramsdale, Dibling, Fernandes, THB, KWP (obvs), Aribo, Bednarek

[Disco Stu]

15 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

What on earth are you keeping Sulemana for? One good game today and your heads turned mate !

 

He was shit today.

[Wade Garrett]

4 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

He was shit today.

I thought he had his best game for the club today.  Funny how we all see things differently.

Edited May 25 by Wade Garrett

[S-Clarke]

2 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

I thought he had his best game for the club today.  Funny how we all see things differently.

That was probably Liverpool at home a few years ago tbf. He at least had a finishing touch that day.

I don't see anything in him and I don't think the club can keep him around, it's not going to work out. Much the same as Moussa, we can't continue to flog a dead horse just because he can run.

[benali-shorts]

7 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

He was shit today.

That is ridiculous. He played very well today. 

[Disco Stu]

1 minute ago, Wade Garrett said:

I thought he had his best game for the club today.  Funny how we all see things differently.

That was his best game? Just goes to show how poor a signing he's been.

[James G]

1 hour ago, Sevvy said:

I'd like to keep Fernandes,but it very unlikely he will stay,  

He might stay. The recent words we're taken out of context.

Let the summer play out. There is alot of work to be done, there is alot to clear out, it's all gone daft since Russ left. Next season is what it is. If we return to the Premier League, it might go daft again hence my question from a few weeks back. If all fails, the owners will probably sell.

That is it and all.

Next year is key, money is not an issue. It's Hollywood or bust hereonin. We are looking for fast and fit and flexible. The new chap is brainy

Season tickets are a must, from the other thread

 

 

[Mixedkebab]

34 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Ramsdale

Wellington

Downes

Fernandes

Stewart

Charles

Edwards

Taylor (wtf hasn’t he played more this season).

Couldn’t give a toss about anyone else.

Presuming Ramsdale and Fernandes are sold, I would be happy to see on the first day:

New keeper

New RB

Wellington

Edwards plus Taylor or new CB

Charles, Downes/Les, new AM

Stewart, 2 new wingers

 

[Wade Garrett]

20 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

That was probably Liverpool at home a few years ago tbf. He at least had a finishing touch that day.

I don't see anything in him and I don't think the club can keep him around, it's not going to work out. Much the same as Moussa, we can't continue to flog a dead horse just because he can run.

I’m not saying we shouldn’t get rid, just that he played well today.

MLG made the observation that Still’s club wanted him in January.  The new boss might think he can get the best from him.

[beatlesaint]

37 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

He was shit today.

It’s a low bar but I thought he was better than I’ve seen him at anytime since that Liverpool game two years ago.

Either way I still can’t work out why anyone would want to keep him.

[Tamesaint]

7 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

It’s a low bar but I thought he was better than I’ve seen him at anytime since that Liverpool game two years ago.

Either way I still can’t work out why anyone would want to keep him.

Agree. The OP also wants to get rid of Fernandes. Very strange. 

[hypochondriac]

Just assume that anyone you want to stay will leave. It's better to avoid disappointment. The good news is that there's nobody apart from Fernandes who has been anything but shit this year so it doesn't really matter who goes. 

[beatlesaint]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Just assume that anyone you want to stay will leave. It's better to avoid disappointment. The good news is that there's nobody apart from Fernandes who has been anything but shit this year so it doesn't really matter who goes. 

That’s my thoughts exactly. I feel no connection to any of these players

[Disco Stu]

14 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

It’s a low bar but I thought he was better than I’ve seen him at anytime since that Liverpool game two years ago.

Either way I still can’t work out why anyone would want to keep him.

I can't work it out either. It's all well and good turning up against Liverpool and Manchester United (and supposedly again today against Arsenal although all I saw was a player with a poor final ball and a general unwilling to take his man on besides on one occasion that ended in a poor cross anyway) but he couldn't get a single goal in 25 Championship appearances and 6 Saints managers have failed to get a tune out of him. Liverpool and Arsenal were effectively exhibition games with key players left on the bench on both occasions.

I've seen rumours that Will Still likes him. I was under the impression Still likes to press? Sulemana doesn't do enough work off the ball for me. His finishing is very poor. That is undeniable. He's often struggled to stay onside as well. As one of our higher earners especially, he's been proper shit. It's a very rare thing for a player that's been so poor for so long to suddenly turn a corner in their 4th season. Rare enough that we shouldn't count on it.

[Costa del Solent]

Serious question: does Paul Onuachu get a trophy for being golden boot (on four goals)? 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

They can all fuck off with the exception of Ramsdale, KWP and Fernandes. 

[Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd]

I don't see why Bazunu can't do a job for us next season. 

Realistically, Edwards, Wellington, Downes, Charles, Archer & Stewart should be about all that's left.
I'd love to keep Dibling, THB and Sugawara but they won't stay.

Stephens, Bednarek, Wood, Taylor, Manning, Aribo, Fraser, Sulemana can all go. 

Is Edozie coming back? If so, he'll definitely do a job. 
 

[trousers]

3 minutes ago, Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd said:

I don't see why Bazunu can't do a job for us next season. 

How many sherries is that so far tonight Sidney?

[Disco Stu]

6 minutes ago, Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd said:

I don't see why Bazunu can't do a job for us next season. 

He hasn't been able to do a job for us in previous seasons and he couldn't do a job for Standard Liege this season.

Edited May 25 by Disco Stu

[Katalinic]

Keep Fernandes and we get promoted. 

[notnowcato]

1 hour ago, Wade Garrett said:

I thought he had his best game for the club today.  Funny how we all see things differently.

To be fair it’s a very fucking low bar to get over. 

[S-Clarke]

29 minutes ago, Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd said:

I don't see why Bazunu can't do a job for us next season. 
 

Not a great wum attempt to be fair, 1/0.

[Gloucester Saint]

33 minutes ago, Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd said:

I don't see why Bazunu can't do a job for us next season.
 

I see plenty as to why Gavin can’t, around 120 of them spread over 2 seasons, plus the 2 per game he just conceded playing for one of the biggest clubs in Belgium.

[sockeye]

34 minutes ago, Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd said:

I don't see why Bazunu can't do a job for us next season. 

Realistically, Edwards, Wellington, Downes, Charles, Archer & Stewart should be about all that's left.
I'd love to keep Dibling, THB and Sugawara but they won't stay.

Stephens, Bednarek, Wood, Taylor, Manning, Aribo, Fraser, Sulemana can all go. 

Is Edozie coming back? If so, he'll definitely do a job. 
 

This isn’t CEX you know. We won’t be able to flog 20 odd players

[Cabrone]

Would love to keep Ramsdale, Fernandez, Wellington, Stewart and Armstrong. IMO we may keep Stewart and Armstrong, the others will go.

[Toussaint]

55 minutes ago, Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd said:

I don't see why Bazunu can't do a job for us next season. 

Realistically, Edwards, Wellington, Downes, Charles, Archer & Stewart should be about all that's left.
I'd love to keep Dibling, THB and Sugawara but they won't stay.

Stephens, Bednarek, Wood, Taylor, Manning, Aribo, Fraser, Sulemana can all go. 

Is Edozie coming back? If so, he'll definitely do a job. 
 

I’m sure he could do a job, just not on the pitch. I’m not sure what job, I did think selling hot dogs in the concourse, but most of them would end up on the floor. 

[Gloucester Saint]

7 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

I’m sure he could do a job, just not on the pitch. I’m not sure what job, I did think selling hot dogs in the concourse, but most of them would end up on the floor. 

Concourse floor would get very sticky with all of the pints of beer he’d drop. And us fans would have no anaesthetic before watching the home games.

[Pwoite]

We need to reduce the squad size and the wage bill, so to some extent it is a matter of clearing the decks, and see who we can sell. So, central defenders, as an example, we need three plus the two from the U21s. Which three? Potentially, that could be keep two and bring one in. THB and Edwards would be good, but we need to move on four. ABK, Wood, Bednarek, Stephens…..out of the six, perhaps, but the important point is to move on at least three, and I’ve not even considered Taylor. Would it really matter which ones we kept in the Championship? Probably not.

Apply that principle throughout and then bring in players as opportunities present themselves, having a list of targets and, perhaps, one or two essentials to meet squad weakness. Goalkeeper and centre forward come straight to mind.

Easy, in principle, much harder in practice. 

[Gloucester Saint]

18 minutes ago, Pwoite said:

We need to reduce the squad size and the wage bill, so to some extent it is a matter of clearing the decks, and see who we can sell. So, central defenders, as an example, we need three plus the two from the U21s. Which three? Potentially, that could be keep two and bring one in. THB and Edwards would be good, but we need to move on four. ABK, Wood, Bednarek, Stephens…..out of the six, perhaps, but the important point is to move on at least three, and I’ve not even considered Taylor. Would it really matter which ones we kept in the Championship? Probably not.

Apply that principle throughout and then bring in players as opportunities present themselves, having a list of targets and, perhaps, one or two essentials to meet squad weakness. Goalkeeper and centre forward come straight to mind.

Easy, in principle, much harder in practice. 

The wages some of the players are on will be an obstacle to moving some on. Take Jack Stephens, someone vaguely ITK reckoned he was on approx £60k pw. Even with say a 40% relegation reduction clause, that’s still out of reach to most non-parachute clubs bar Wrexham and Brum. Plus he’s never played away from the South/South West bar a very brief loan at Boro. So if Bristol City say were keen, and it suited Jack, we’d still be shelling out a significant contribution.

ABK - will he pass a medical in Germany? Hope so for his sake as well as ours. Bednarek most likely of all to move on, a rumoured £6m release fee is loose change for a 29 year old international CB. 

[Pwoite]

9 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

The wages some of the players are on will be an obstacle to moving some on. Take Jack Stephens, someone vaguely ITK reckoned he was on approx £60k pw. Even with say a 40% relegation reduction clause, that’s still out of reach to most non-parachute clubs bar Wrexham and Brum. Plus he’s never played away from the South/South West bar a very brief loan at Boro. So if Bristol City say were keen, and it suited Jack, we’d still be shelling out a significant contribution.

ABK - will he pass a medical in Germany? Hope so for his sake as well as ours. Bednarek most likely of all to move on, a rumoured £6m release fee is loose change for a 29 year old international CB. 

This is exactly the problem.

So, the choice for Spors and Still is who we have to keep, who can we sell, and who do we loan and end up subsidising? No point having four or five central defenders if we only plan we use three from the current squad, so cut and run, and move Stephens, or whoever it is, on to Charlton or whoever, and get him out the door and some money towards his wages. Not ideal, but better than having players hanging around, potentially disrupting the dressing room.

[woodsaint1]

If we could keep only one of our four most valuable assets (Ramsdale, THB, Dibling and Fernandes) - for me its easily Fernandes.

Although all 4 would be excellent in the Championship, we can pick up a capable keeper which would enable us to either sell/loan Ramsdale. Look at the 3 promoted keepers this season - Trafford is excellent but Meslier and Patterson are average keepers who make mistakes. Similarly, we got promoted with Bazunu and McCarthy fs. Although he was solid in the Championship, THB looked lost this season. Similarly, Dibling had his moments of superb play, but then went missing at times - bearing in mind hes still a kid. Fernandes, in a very poor PL team, was head and shoulders above the rest of his team mates. He would be devastating in the Championship so we should be doing everything to keep him.

In addition to moving on Ramsdale, THB and Dibling, I would also sell the following if somebody is willing to buy them;

McCarthy, Bednarek, ABK, Sugawara, Manning, Taylor, Aribo, Smallbone Sulemana, Onuachu and AA. 

Yes they could all do a job in the Championship, as some have done already, but we need to start building a capable PL squad now and not next summer or the following summer.

Edited May 25 by woodsaint1

[benjii]

9 hours ago, beatlesaint said:

What on earth are you keeping Sulemana for? One good game today and your heads turned mate !

 

In case there's something riding on the last game of the season.

[benjii]

8 hours ago, Tamesaint said:

Agree. The OP also wants to get rid of Fernandes. Very strange. 

I don't WANT to, but I can't see that he stays and, frankly, he'd be an idiot to stay.

[benjii]

7 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

They can all fuck off with the exception of Ramsdale, KWP and Fernandes. 

Good idea. Let's sign 22 players.

[ally_uk]

Keep: 

Fernandes -  highly unlikely 

Shea Charles 

Wood 

Edwards 

Adam Armstrong ( goals at this level 

Edozie 

Wellington 

Robinson 

Amo ( what's the deal is he on loan 

Stephens ( do a job for a season 

Promote Ballard. 

 

The rest I don't really give  a damm about. 

 

[pimpin4rizeal]

11 hours ago, beatlesaint said:

What on earth are you keeping Sulemana for? One good game today and your heads turned mate !

 

So much harshness. He’s pretty much been our only creative outlet and way of getting us up the pitch since Xmas . Anyone that thinks dibling has been better in the second half of the season knows nothing . We don’t really even have a attack for the last couple of months so lack of end product is expected 

Since Johanes spors wants to create a team of pace and power he’s actually one of very few who might at least partly fit the criteria 

[coalman]

Keep

Ramsdale
Sugawara
Edwards
Taylor
Wood
Wellington
Downes
Charles
Ugochokwu (another loan would be great)
Stewart
Dibling
Edozie

Also slightly sad that Sam Amo-Ameyaw was sold to Strasbourg. Could be convinced either way on Sulemana (our wingers haven't really been given a platform to show their worth over the last season and a half). While Armstrong has scored a lot of goals in the Championship I think that, at best, he's a stop gap measure because he can't compete in the Premier League and we need to be building with that in mind. The entire first choice back 5 can just do one - they may have enjoyed their season as "ball playing defenders" but their collective inability to defend isn't a platform we can build on.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

3 hours ago, benjii said:

Good idea. Let's sign 22 players.

Something similar worked for Forest. My reply wasn't to be taken seriously. Am fully aware that we will not be getting rid of a full squad. 

[Farmer Saint]

56 minutes ago, ally_uk said:

Keep: 

Fernandes -  highly unlikely 

Shea Charles 

Wood 

Edwards 

Adam Armstrong ( goals at this level 

Edozie 

Wellington 

Robinson 

Amo ( what's the deal is he on loan 

Stephens ( do a job for a season 

Promote Ballard. 

 

The rest I don't really give  a damm about. 

 

This is pretty much where I am (although maybe Stewart as well - at least give him a chance). Amo was sold so may also give Sulemana a chance under a different manager.

[Farmer Saint]

9 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

The wages some of the players are on will be an obstacle to moving some on. Take Jack Stephens, someone vaguely ITK reckoned he was on approx £60k pw. Even with say a 40% relegation reduction clause, that’s still out of reach to most non-parachute clubs bar Wrexham and Brum. Plus he’s never played away from the South/South West bar a very brief loan at Boro. So if Bristol City say were keen, and it suited Jack, we’d still be shelling out a significant contribution.

ABK - will he pass a medical in Germany? Hope so for his sake as well as ours. Bednarek most likely of all to move on, a rumoured £6m release fee is loose change for a 29 year old international CB. 

Stephens is on £45k. Bednarek is on £70k (alongside Aribo & AA on £65k).

[Lighthouse]

If we're only including players I realistically think might stay, personally I'd keep:

Keepers: Bazunu, McC

Defenders: Bree, THB, Edwards, Stephens, Wood, Welly

Midfielders: Downes, Charles, Smallbone, Edozie, Dibling, Robinson

Forwards: Stewart, Archer, BBD, Archer

That's a solid enough base of a Championship squad, although clearly needing reinforcements in midfield and at FB.

[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

If we're only including players I realistically think might stay, personally I'd keep:

Keepers: Bazunu, McC

Defenders: Bree, THB, Edwards, Stephens, Wood, Welly

Midfielders: Downes, Smallbone, Edozie, Dibling, Robinson

Forwards: Stewart, Archer, BBD, Archer

That's a solid enough base of a Championship squad, although clearly needing reinforcements in midfield and at FB.

McCarthy is on ridiculous wages so I think we should let him go.

[Gloucester Saint]

19 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Stephens is on £45k. Bednarek is on £70k (alongside Aribo & AA on £65k).

So Jack minus say 40%, assuming that’s the reduction = £27/28k pw. We’d still need to subsidise some wages at that level but not quite as much. I’d keep him around for a final year probably.

Aribo I’d read somewhere was on around £60k but I think he’s off to Turkey along with Onachu. Nathan Wood was linked with Beskitas the other day. Bednarek will be off. Can’t see AA moving on with those wages in the Champ though even with a relegation cut.

Edited May 26 by Gloucester Saint

[Lighthouse]

25 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

McCarthy is on ridiculous wages so I think we should let him go.

He was at some point but I can't believe we'd have offered him the same terms to be our second or third choice keeper when he signed a new deal last summer. If he is on some stupid salary then chances are we wont have any suitors anyway.

[Mixedkebab]

40 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

If we're only including players I realistically think might stay, personally I'd keep:

Keepers: Bazunu, McC

Defenders: Bree, THB, Edwards, Stephens, Wood, Welly

Midfielders: Downes, Smallbone, Edozie, Dibling, Robinson

Forwards: Stewart, Archer, BBD, Archer

That's a solid enough base of a Championship squad, although clearly needing reinforcements in midfield and at FB.

Respect opinions, but wanting to keep those 2 dodgy keepers, and Stephens with his annual costly balls ups, is madness.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

Perhaps with Charlton in the Championship, Jones might want to take Bree from us.