New Manager Debate (Merged)

[Willo of Whiteley]

I don’t think we’ve played abysmally on a whole.

We were shit on Saturday and he’s just made some dickish subs.

If he can learn from his mistakes and play players in the right place then we have half a shot

[Doctoroncall]

16 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Lucky escape

https://eflanalysis.com/news/reason-will-stills-sunderland-move-fell-through-as-southampton-prepare-for-championship-promotion-push/

Different set of circumstances. The owner has turned them around since coming in a few years ago. There seems to be more to Saints than the manager position as an issue. 
 

Still certainly shown to be a limited manager but would have thought many others would also struggle here.  SR record has been awful with most personnel appointments. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

57 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

If he can learn from his mistakes and play players in the right place then we have half a shot

Not being ginger would probably help as well. 
 

If we keep this lad in charge, half a shot is about right, that’ll be our average efforts on target. 
 

 

[SW11_Saint]

48 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Not being ginger would probably help as well. 
 

If we keep this lad in charge, half a shot is about right, that’ll be our average efforts on target. 
 

 

Easy tiger… 

(ref. Ball, Strachan, Koeman😉)

[suewhistle]

17 hours ago, sfc4prem said:

Still's made some odd choices, seemingly hasn't coached a particular approach to his team, and cannot polish some of our turds. He also has managed to make some Championship-proven players regress and look particularly ineffective.

If and when he gets his P45, his replacement will still have the same shite up front, in defence and between the sticks. You can't coach the mistakes out of our players. It's ingrained.

 

I avoid coming on here after a defeat, particularly as bad as the Blackburn one, as it just piles on the misery. But the players have to take some of the blame too, as they seem to crumble under pressure. Even when passing around at the back, and every team does it, they don't do so accurately and often just behind the player receiving the ball so that they have to check back and can't play with head up, it's so frustrating.

We wanted a more pragmatic manager who changed things up, but now complain when he does. We want the defence to take fewer risks and then complain about long ball. We want him to play our best players and complain when they get injured, he takes off Scienza to protect him and complain, we complain when he doesn't play certain players and complain when they play and make mistakes.

Why aren't Aribo and Edozie getting a look in: work to rule, contractual issues, unfit? No idea, but other experienced players like Wee Man fail to do anything of note, THB seems a liability, Downes appears to be constantly sick or recovering when he does play. Archer did one thing of note against Blackburn just after halftime when he took a player on but generally seems a waste of space. Armstrong is a willing runner but he's no chance finisher. We get to the byline and cut back quite often but fail to take advantage of when we actual do some slick play.

If we do get a new manager the main task will be to instill some confidence, but as the Rangers example shows Martin was quite good at removing it, but a few wins for the price of my season ticket might help.

 

 

[Wade Garrett]

2 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

I don’t think we’ve played abysmally on a whole.

We were shit on Saturday and he’s just made some dickish subs.

If he can learn from his mistakes and play players in the right place then we have half a shot

Don’t see it.  He’s the Ali Dia of football managers.

[Sheaf Saint]

2 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

I don’t think we’ve played abysmally on a whole.

Aside from 30-40 min dominant spells against Swansea and Bristol City, we absolutely have. 

I watched Stockport beat Port Vale last night to go top of L1. Their overall performance (in a 343 formation) was a whole different level above anything we have dished up so far this season. 

[CB Fry]

2 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

I don’t think we’ve played abysmally on a whole.

We were shit on Saturday and he’s just made some dickish subs.

If he can learn from his mistakes and play players in the right place then we have half a shot

On the whole we have been abysmal all season.

Absolutely abysmal.

The only thing saving him is he has better players.

If he had (say) the Bristol or QPR or whatever squad he'd be in the relegation zone. Some managers over deliver with their resources, our guy is 100% the opposite of that.

This guy is not going to turn it round, we're all just waiting for the inevitable sacking. The only question is how long the management are going to stick it out for.

[AlexLaw76]

2 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

I don’t think we’ve played abysmally on a whole.

We were shit on Saturday and he’s just made some dickish subs.

If he can learn from his mistakes and play players in the right place then we have half a shot

On your own on this one

[Matthew Le God]

53 minutes ago, SW11_Saint said:

Easy tiger… 

(ref. Ball, Strachan, Koeman😉)

Harry Redknapp & Mark Wotte

[Toadhall Saint]

3 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

I don’t think we’ve played abysmally on a whole.

We were shit on Saturday and he’s just made some dickish subs.

If he can learn from his mistakes and play players in the right place then we have half a shot

When you rely on bringing on the cavalry or a white knight on a white horse to save a point (which has happened on more than one occasion) you are not up to the job.
 

Nice bloke but that’s it and I’m afraid we don’t need a nice bloke. We need someone who has the wherewithal to get us out of this league. My only hope is that the damage being done can be reversed with the right person in charge.

[Willo of Whiteley]

We’ve been shit but the overreaction by some on here is quite funny.

Calling for Will Still’s sacking for managers that have also achieved sod all? 🤣

He can take some of the blame for the poor start to the season (formations and subs) - this is where he doesn’t help himself; but I think a lot of anger also has to be laid FIRMLY on the players and the board.

Recruitment has been average to say the least. 

What’s the next manager going to do? He’s going to inherit the same shitshow if players and they will still be missing from five yards. Still be getting beaten at their near post. Still be outmuscled on every first and second ball. Still misplace a pass and gift the opposition a needless attack on our goal.

[Lord Duckhunter]

13 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Recruitment has been average to say the least. 

Azaz was really good in this league last season, as was Fellows. Leo looks a decent buy, Mads played 38 times for a premier league club 2 seasons ago & 23 times last season. Add to that Charles & Wood, that’s over half a side coming in this season who had fuck all to do with last seasons nightmare .Add to that a few who have done it before at this level, and it’s bleeding obvious where the issue is and it’s not recruitment.

I don’t quite know what people expect when we’re spending the money we’re paying. 4 decent buys listed above and the juries out on Quarshie & Jander, but I reckon with some proper coaching they could be ok at this level.
 

What do you expect, every player we buy to hit the ground running from day one? Me, I expect the manager to do his fucking job and if 4 of the new boys are good enough to walk into the side, that’s a pretty good ratio at this level….

[Convict Colony]

i concur with baron swanhunter

[qwertyell]

14 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Azaz was really good in this league last season

But does that make him a good fit for us? Boro (and Plymouth) fans warned that he was a luxury player who barely strolls about out of possession and drifts through games.

Will Still - supposedly - wants us to press with big energy, which would make Azaz absolutely the wrong profile of player to sign. The press collapses entirely if not everyone commits to it.

I've no idea if Azaz is anything special or not, but he didn't achieve anything with Boro (in fact, they seem to be a better team without him), and sure as shit hasn't shown anything with us that would suggest we should exempt him from basic tactical duties because he's too bloody amazing to muck in with everyone else. 

Far from convinced he'll prove to be a successful signing. 

 

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, qwertyell said:

But does that make him a good fit for us? Boro (and Plymouth) fans warned that he was a luxury player who barely strolls about out of possession and drifts through games.

Will Still - supposedly - wants us to press with big energy, which would make Azaz absolutely the wrong profile of player to sign. The press collapses entirely if not everyone commits to it.

I've no idea if Azaz is anything special or not, but he didn't achieve anything with Boro (in fact, they seem to be a better team without him), and sure as shit hasn't shown anything with us that would suggest we should exempt him from basic tactical duties because he's too bloody amazing to muck in with everyone else. 

Far from convinced he'll prove to be a successful signing. 

 

I have seen absolutely nothing from our team this season that oozes 'pressing with energy'

[qwertyell]

5 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I have seen absolutely nothing from our team this season that oozes 'pressing with energy'

No. It's just another facet that is failing to live up to it's billing. But theoretically that's what we're supposed to be doing.

"But if I had to describe [my teams] in one word, the best one I've found is proactive. I want my teams to be proactive in everything we do. That involves pressing a lot, and I ask a huge amount from the players. They have to run. One of my key phrases is 'defensive effort is non-negotiable'. If we can all attack, we can all defend -and we do it as a unit."

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11688/13406817/the-will-still-philosophy-southampton-boss-on-entertainment-proactivity-the-seven-minute-rule

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, qwertyell said:

No. It's just another facet that is failing to live up to it's billing. But theoretically that's what we're supposed to be doing.

"But if I had to describe [my teams] in one word, the best one I've found is proactive. I want my teams to be proactive in everything we do. That involves pressing a lot, and I ask a huge amount from the players. They have to run. One of my key phrases is 'defensive effort is non-negotiable'. If we can all attack, we can all defend -and we do it as a unit."

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11688/13406817/the-will-still-philosophy-southampton-boss-on-entertainment-proactivity-the-seven-minute-rule

He is just clueless (for us), and we are gong absolutely nowhere with him at the wheel.

[Wade Garrett]

53 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Azaz was really good in this league last season, as was Fellows. Leo looks a decent buy, Mads played 38 times for a premier league club 2 seasons ago & 23 times last season. Add to that Charles & Wood, that’s over half a side coming in this season who had fuck all to do with last seasons nightmare .Add to that a few who have done it before at this level, and it’s bleeding obvious where the issue is and it’s not recruitment.

I don’t quite know what people expect when we’re spending the money we’re paying. 4 decent buys listed above and the juries out on Quarshie & Jander, but I reckon with some proper coaching they could be ok at this level.
 

What do you expect, every player we buy to hit the ground running from day one? Me, I expect the manager to do his fucking job and if 4 of the new boys are good enough to walk into the side, that’s a pretty good ratio at this level….

Don’t bite, he’s a fucking wind-up merchant.

[James]

56 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Azaz was really good in this league last season, as was Fellows. Leo looks a decent buy, Mads played 38 times for a premier league club 2 seasons ago & 23 times last season. Add to that Charles & Wood, that’s over half a side coming in this season who had fuck all to do with last seasons nightmare .Add to that a few who have done it before at this level, and it’s bleeding obvious where the issue is and it’s not recruitment.

I don’t quite know what people expect when we’re spending the money we’re paying. 4 decent buys listed above and the juries out on Quarshie & Jander, but I reckon with some proper coaching they could be ok at this level.
 

What do you expect, every player we buy to hit the ground running from day one? Me, I expect the manager to do his fucking job and if 4 of the new boys are good enough to walk into the side, that’s a pretty good ratio at this level….

Precisely. We signed two of the most productive players in this league last season and neither of them can get in the team because our manager chooses to play a formation that requires both of them to play out of position. Will Still said that he wanted to play 4-2-3-1, we bought players suited to that system and he ditched it after one poor performance at Hull. It’s not all his fault, of course it isn’t, but we should be doing considerably better than we are. The fact we aren’t is primarily on the manager.

Edited 13 hours ago by James

[SuperSAINT]

22 hours ago, Dusic said:

Heaven forbid if he tried to implement an actual style of play in possession! 

I purposely didn’t say RM mk.2 was a bad idea, btw.  It raises an interesting question about whether people would go back to that style of play or not. 

[Roo1976]

"I've always thought of it this way: I hate watching boring games of football. I don't want to go to a stadium or sit down to watch a match on TV and think, 'I don't want to watch this'. I want to see something engaging. A direct quote from our manager talking on Sky sports. Wow .

[adrian lord]

5 hours ago, suewhistle said:

 

he takes off Scienza to protect him and complain,

 

 

What, or who, did he need protecting from? At 27 he is in his absolute prime physiologically and psychologically. 

[stknowle]

32 minutes ago, Roo1976 said:

"I've always thought of it this way: I hate watching boring games of football. I don't want to go to a stadium or sit down to watch a match on TV and think, 'I don't want to watch this'. I want to see something engaging. A direct quote from our manager talking on Sky sports. Wow .

Well if I supported any of our opponents this season I wouldn’t be thinking ‘i don’t want to watch this’ and/or ‘this is a boring game of football’ so he’s kinda fulfilling his own brief.

[AlexLaw76]

We need a new manager to then sack him after being promoted. Along with the NET SPEND trophy, we need to hold on to this bad boy

[SW11_Saint]

5 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

Harry Redknapp & Mark Wotte

They weren’t ginger. Merrington was though. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

7 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I have seen absolutely nothing from our team this season that oozes 'pressing with energy'

More pressing with energy in the club laundry.

[Give it to Ron]

14 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

We’ve been shit but the overreaction by some on here is quite funny.

Calling for Will Still’s sacking for managers that have also achieved sod all? 🤣

He can take some of the blame for the poor start to the season (formations and subs) - this is where he doesn’t help himself; but I think a lot of anger also has to be laid FIRMLY on the players and the board.

Recruitment has been average to say the least. 

What’s the next manager going to do? He’s going to inherit the same shitshow if players and they will still be missing from five yards. Still be getting beaten at their near post. Still be outmuscled on every first and second ball. Still misplace a pass and gift the opposition a needless attack on our goal.

What is a new manager going to do? 

Make a proper sub for a start?

Flexible tactics as we were promised? 
Not play 5 at the back v an abysmal Swansea?

Of course no new manager has ever improved a player? Why do ours get worse?
 

What has happened to players like Sesay and Matsuki who showed promise pre-season?

What game has Still shown any knowledge or ability to change a game?

i eagerly await your answers

[badgerx16]

11 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

We need a new manager to then sack him after being promoted. Along with the NET SPEND trophy, we need to hold on to this bad boy

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