New Manager Debate

[Holmes_and_Watson]

4 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

I’m not interested what those bullshitting incompetent cunts have to say.  Fucking bunch of useless wankers.

Let's face it. There's only one winner of the "SaintsWeb FAB Representative" vote. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

13 minutes ago, lambtiss said:

How about bringing in Delia Smith as motivational coach, apparently she does a storming pre-match talk. 

Dianne Abbot could be given responsibility for accounts.

Big Ron Atkinson should be in charge of PR and ethics and diversity. 

Phil Brown combining halftime team talk, with the fans half time entertainment, as he does it on the pitch.

[Dusic]

Just had an interesting chat with @ubiquitousdave - lets just say it might be worth reading up on Tobias Strobl a little more 👀

Only been at Verl since May but from the sounds of it is very much in the frame.

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

Someone mentioned Vitor Matos very early on and possibly in the summer as an alternative to Still. 

Swansea now looking at him. Will be interesting to see how he gets on if he goes there. 

Saying that it would be an appointment from the Portuguese second division. Which in the current circumstances for Saints probably not for the best!

[lambtiss]

6 minutes ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

Someone mentioned Vitor Matos very early on and possibly in the summer as an alternative to Still. 

Swansea now looking at him. Will be interesting to see how he gets on if he goes there. 

Saying that it would be an appointment from the Portuguese second division. Which in the current circumstances for Saints probably not for the best!

And therefore all the more likely

[Wade Garrett]

8 minutes ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

Someone mentioned Vitor Matos very early on and possibly in the summer as an alternative to Still. 

Swansea now looking at him. Will be interesting to see how he gets on if he goes there. 

Saying that it would be an appointment from the Portuguese second division. Which in the current circumstances for Saints probably not for the best!

I bet Coventry wish they appointed some fucking unknown from a minor foreign league to show how fucking clever they are rather than an English ex-international who is respected by all those in the game, has a bit about him and has the instant respect of the players.

They’ve dropped a major bollock there.  Rasmus is probably incredulous at their rank stupidity.  Sports Republic won’t be making that mistake.

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

Rasmus probably had Vitor next in his blackbox.

In fairness to Lampard, he's done a lot better than I expected. Definitely the season to take advantage in terms of promotion given the current state of the three relegated teams.

[Greenridge]

Just endured his 10 minute press conference. His avoidance of the four or five questions Blackmore posed on his position certainly hints that the job is his to lose. He gives old Claudey a run for his money in the interesting stakes. Hopefully he sends the team out with a little more enthusiasm. 

Edited 23 hours ago by Greenridge

[saintant]

2 hours ago, DT said:

I really, really hate everything I have heard about Rasmus Ankersen. What an absolute tool.

Mate, you are not reinventing football. You got lucky once and then everything else you have ever touched has been shit.

Give up and leave Saints please.

He was never the brains behind Brentford's rise.

[saintant]

1 hour ago, Dusic said:

Just had an interesting chat with @ubiquitousdave - lets just say it might be worth reading up on Tobias Strobl a little more 👀

Only been at Verl since May but from the sounds of it is very much in the frame.

Aren't Verl a German 3rd division side who are not even in the top few of their division? He'll fit right in and, if there is any truth in it, this will be another inspirational appointment by SR.

[Maggie May]

We should be going all out for Miron Muslic.

[Draino76]

SR are JUST FUCKING USELESS.

[Willo of Whiteley]

I’ll be honest, I don’t really care. I wake up every day and the same people are crying about “why haven’t we got an incredible manager in” etc, we’re all thinking it but I’m bored of reading it every day.
We all know where this is going.

I’ve become numb to a lot of this and football in the last eighteen months or so.

It’s more enjoyable going to non-league football.

[Badger]

2 hours ago, Saint Billy said:

I know, let's bring in a ex rugby union international coach, that's never been done before and might be of benefit..............................oh!.

Always thought we’d go for Eddie Jones.
 

Not sure where he is now. Perhaps we’re waiting for the end of the Autumn Internationals or something 

Edited 22 hours ago by Badger

[Badger]

3 hours ago, UpweySaint said:

Genuinely curious why Lallana is now with the 21s. Is it a promotion? A demotion? A sideways move?

Does it mean Tonda doesn’t need him around the first team?

Feels just a bit odd 🤷‍♂️

Whole thing seems bizarre. Appoint Trollope and promote Lallana to first team coach in the summer but overlook them for interim manager. Lallana now it seems moved out of the way. 
 

Eckert highly rated we’re told, but in danger of pissing him off and him walking out if we appoint someone else. 

[Patrick Bateman]

3 hours ago, coalman said:

I can totally see Sport Republic Board Meetings being like this.

Oi ... SFC ... give us a job coaching ... 

Me: why is playing 5 centre backs a good idea for a football club in the championship playing charlton atheletic?

GPT: Playing five centre-backs (or a back five made mostly of centre-backs) can actually make sense in certain Championship matchups—including against a side like Charlton Athletic—depending on your squad strengths and the opponent’s style. Here are the key reasons why it can be a good idea:

etc etc

GPT again: 

If you want, I can help you design an ideal back-five tactical plan, including:

• Player roles

• Press triggers

• Build-up structure

• How to score on the counter against Charlton.

 

Me: Sure, go for it

 

GPT: LOADS OF STUFF, honestly, LOADS of it and this ... 

• Keep distances tight (Championship teams score when back lines stretch)

• Do not press high for long spells—be selective

• Wing-backs must be fit enough to defend deep AND counter

• Middle CB must communicate constantly

• Direct transitions are more effective than slow build-up

 

Me: If the football club playing 5 centre backs is Southampton, what does the starting 11 look like?

 

GPT: 

Bazunu

     Stephens — Harwood-Bellis — Quarshie — Edwards — Wood

             Downes — Charles — Jander  

              Armstrong — Archer

Edited 22 hours ago by Patrick Bateman
GK: Gavin Bazunu — Undisputed, solid shot-stopper ..... !!!???

[Charlie Wayman]

1 hour ago, saintant said:

Aren't Verl a German 3rd division side who are not even in the top few of their division? He'll fit right in and, if there is any truth in it, this will be another inspirational appointment by SR.

Maybe Eckert isn't such a bad option as you think after all?

[saintant]

10 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Maybe Eckert isn't such a bad option as you think after all?

We'll find out a lot more in the next 3 games which are all tough fixtures. I'm not expecting much to be honest.

[Bob60]

55 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

I’ll be honest, I don’t really care. I wake up every day and the same people are crying about “why haven’t we got an incredible manager in” etc, we’re all thinking it but I’m bored of reading it every day.
We all know where this is going.

I’ve become numb to a lot of this and football in the last eighteen months or so.

It’s more enjoyable going to non-league football.

Off you pop then👋

Edited 21 hours ago by Bob60

[Willo of Whiteley]

Swear people are making up rumours now.

Read back over the last few days. There are no links or new news aside from that SR are going to analyse again after the next few games.

People are dropping in names randomly now and others are taking it as gospel. There’s no new information.

We all know Tonda will end up getting it, it’s just SR dithering about announcing it.

[EBS1980]

2 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Swear people are making up rumours now.

Read back over the last few days. There are no links or new news aside from that SR are going to analyse again after the next few games.

People are dropping in names randomly now and others are taking it as gospel. There’s no new information.

We all know Tonda will end up getting it, it’s just SR dithering about announcing it.

Probably interviewing for the support staff not actually the managers role lol

[Wade Garrett]

6 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Swear people are making up rumours now.

Read back over the last few days. There are no links or new news aside from that SR are going to analyse again after the next few games.

People are dropping in names randomly now and others are taking it as gospel. There’s no new information.

We all know Tonda will end up getting it, it’s just SR dithering about announcing it.

 No shit Sherlock.

[SW11_Saint]

10 hours ago, Badger said:

Whole thing seems bizarre. Appoint Trollope and promote Lallana to first team coach in the summer but overlook them for interim manager. Lallana now it seems moved out of the way. 
 

Eckert highly rated we’re told, but in danger of pissing him off and him walking out if we appoint someone else. 

Feels to me like Eckert has the job already. They’re not announcing it in the hope that he gets results in the next three, and then they can pass it off as a ‘no brainer’…

The football world is full of caretaker managers who do well, get the job full tine, and then…

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

11 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Oi ... SFC ... give us a job coaching ... 

Me: why is playing 5 centre backs a good idea for a football club in the championship playing charlton atheletic?

GPT: Playing five centre-backs (or a back five made mostly of centre-backs) can actually make sense in certain Championship matchups—including against a side like Charlton Athletic—depending on your squad strengths and the opponent’s style. Here are the key reasons why it can be a good idea:

etc etc

GPT again: 

If you want, I can help you design an ideal back-five tactical plan, including:

• Player roles

• Press triggers

• Build-up structure

• How to score on the counter against Charlton.

 

Me: Sure, go for it

 

GPT: LOADS OF STUFF, honestly, LOADS of it and this ... 

• Keep distances tight (Championship teams score when back lines stretch)

• Do not press high for long spells—be selective

• Wing-backs must be fit enough to defend deep AND counter

• Middle CB must communicate constantly

• Direct transitions are more effective than slow build-up

 

Me: If the football club playing 5 centre backs is Southampton, what does the starting 11 look like?

 

GPT: 

Bazunu

     Stephens — Harwood-Bellis — Quarshie — Edwards — Wood

             Downes — Charles — Jander  

              Armstrong — Archer

None or little of which I've seen from Saints this season!

[Turkish]

3 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

 No shit Sherlock.

He was one of the ITKers Dusic referred to actually 

[Toadhall Saint]

40 minutes ago, Turkish said:

He was one of the ITKers Dusic referred to actually 

Good point 

[Toadhall Saint]

So next 3 games. You are SR how many points does he need to keep the job?
 

For me win 2 draw 1 so minimum of 7 points.

6 points I suppose keeps him interim

anything less and I’m appointing someone else (fook knows who tho).

[S-Clarke]

Dusic/Saint_Charlie is a proper wum by the way, not to ruin his fun - but everything he's been saying about the managers is trolling and trying to wum people. Pay no attention, and just laugh at it. Have a look through his post history, he's even at it during the transfer windows linking us with players who retired 20 years ago. Sorry for spoiling your fun Dusic. 

 

Anyway, as expected we lurch into Charlton with an even weaker first team coaching setup than we had against Wednesday, and given that they've had the entire international break to sort that is quite something.

In essence, the first team is being coached and managed by the entire U21 cohort, there is no remaining senior coaches at the club. We are being coached by Ben fricking Reeves and Jimmy Newton who have forever been with the U21's. It's a mess. The club try to dress this up as being 'calm and relaxed about the situation' - but this is a fucking mess. How a club with the finances we have this year, and the money we've spent, have ended up with the entire incumbent u21 coaching team managing the first team in November, in a season where promotion was required, is nothing short of horrific.

Fuck off SR. Just go. Nothing will change my view ever.

Edited 10 hours ago by S-Clarke

[beatlesaint]

So if we lose today and fail to win Tuesday what happens then? Do they look elsewhere or stick their fingers in their ears, pretend its all ok and appoint TE anyway ?

[Dusic]

15 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Dusic/Saint_Charlie is a proper wum by the way, not to ruin his fun - but everything he's been saying about the managers is trolling and trying to wum people. Pay no attention, and just laugh at it. Have a look through his post history, he's even at it during the transfer windows linking us with players who retired 20 years ago. Sorry for spoiling your fun Dusic. 

 

Anyway, as expected we lurch into Charlton with an even weaker first team coaching setup than we had against Wednesday, and given that they've had the entire international break to sort that is quite something.

In essence, the first team is being coached and managed by the entire U21 cohort, there is no remaining senior coaches at the club. We are being coached by Ben fricking Reeves and Jimmy Newton who have forever been with the U21's. It's a mess. The club try to dress this up as being 'calm and relaxed about the situation' - but this is a fucking mess. How a club with the finances we have this year, and the money we've spent, have ended up with the entire incumbent u21 coaching team managing the first team in November, in a season where promotion was required, is nothing short of horrific.

Fuck off SR. Just go. Nothing will change my view ever.

According to @Ya Barrrrrrr'd its only a bit of fun, which is clear to 99% of people here I am sure 😀

Although will be interesting to see if Strobl is on the touchline for the Verl game today...

Edited 9 hours ago by Dusic

[Wade Garrett]

29 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

So next 3 games. You are SR how many points does he need to keep the job?
 

For me win 2 draw 1 so minimum of 7 points.

6 points I suppose keeps him interim

anything less and I’m appointing someone else (fook knows who tho).

Leave him there regardless for all I care now.  Hopefully, the useless pricks will lose their money.

[benjii]

27 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Dusic/Saint_Charlie is a proper wum by the way, not to ruin his fun - but everything he's been saying about the managers is trolling and trying to wum people. Pay no attention, and just laugh at it. Have a look through his post history, he's even at it during the transfer windows linking us with players who retired 20 years ago. Sorry for spoiling your fun Dusic. 

Dismiss it if you like, but I know for a fact David O'Leary.

Per Frandsen is also in the frame. Odds Balklubb have lost their last two matches 5-2 and 4-1 but some of their metrics are unbelievable. 

[saintant]

19 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

So if we lose today and fail to win Tuesday what happens then? Do they look elsewhere or stick their fingers in their ears, pretend its all ok and appoint TE anyway ?

A distinct possibility.

[InvictaSaint]

46 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

So if we lose today and fail to win Tuesday what happens then? Do they look elsewhere or stick their fingers in their ears, pretend its all ok and appoint TE anyway ?

I would suggest that if that happens - particularly on Tuesday - SR will look back on the Preston game and hanker after such happy days….

[saintant]

What happens to Eckert if he doesn't get the job? Does he return to the U21s who have just appointed Lallana as interim coach or does he leave the club? It's a total mess but nothing we are not used to under the clowns parading as SR.

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

1 hour ago, Toadhall Saint said:

So next 3 games. You are SR how many points does he need to keep the job?
 

For me win 2 draw 1 so minimum of 7 points.

6 points I suppose keeps him interim

anything less and I’m appointing someone else (fook knows who tho).

3 wins out of 3.

[BARCELONASAINT]

So if MLT is to be believed it was something like 150 applicants for the managers job and yet we have still appointed no one.  Now that either says that it was 150 complete waste of timers that never stood a chance in the first place or there was just a very small handful that were worth interviewing but none really stood out of being able to make any difference to what we currently have!

I have to say that looking at what was available i'm really struggling to see who we realistically should have appointed?

I have no idea what the plans are going forward and only hope there is a plan and they are just playing the waiting game with someone in their sights.

Some will say what was the point of sacking WS if we had no one lined up. Well i would say we have 6 more points than we may have achieved if WS had not been sacked. The players had stopped playing for him apart from 1 or 2. It might have been a small difference but there was a difference in effort from the players in the last 2 games that had been missing, so sacking WS was the right call at that moment in time.

I think todays game will tell us a lot about our bunch of misfits and if they are playing for Eckert.

[coalman]

1 hour ago, Toadhall Saint said:

So next 3 games. You are SR how many points does he need to keep the job?
 

For me win 2 draw 1 so minimum of 7 points.

6 points I suppose keeps him interim

anything less and I’m appointing someone else (fook knows who tho).

He needs to make sure he carries out Rasmus's tactics and formation as instructed and keep our superstars like Stephens, Manning and Armstrong happy. It's a balancing act few are going to be capable of as witnessed by Will Still recklessly dropping his captain and star 'keeper and losing his job despite playing regulation Southampton-ball.

[sadoldgit]

25 minutes ago, saintant said:

What happens to Eckert if he doesn't get the job? Does he return to the U21s who have just appointed Lallana as interim coach or does he leave the club? It's a total mess but nothing we are not used to under the clowns parading as SR.

They are both doing the jobs on an interim basis so it is safe to assume that Eckert would go back to the u21 job and Lallana will go back to his coaching job (if the new manager wants him of course).

[Holmes_and_Watson]

13 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Oi ... SFC ... give us a job coaching ... 

Me: why is playing 5 centre backs a good idea for a football club in the championship playing charlton atheletic?

GPT: Playing five centre-backs (or a back five made mostly of centre-backs) can actually make sense in certain Championship matchups—including against a side like Charlton Athletic—depending on your squad strengths and the opponent’s style. Here are the key reasons why it can be a good idea:

etc etc

GPT again: 

If you want, I can help you design an ideal back-five tactical plan, including:

• Player roles

• Press triggers

• Build-up structure

• How to score on the counter against Charlton.

 

Me: Sure, go for it

 

GPT: LOADS OF STUFF, honestly, LOADS of it and this ... 

• Keep distances tight (Championship teams score when back lines stretch)

• Do not press high for long spells—be selective

• Wing-backs must be fit enough to defend deep AND counter

• Middle CB must communicate constantly

• Direct transitions are more effective than slow build-up

 

Me: If the football club playing 5 centre backs is Southampton, what does the starting 11 look like?

 

GPT: 

Bazunu

     Stephens — Harwood-Bellis — Quarshie — Edwards — Wood

             Downes — Charles — Jander  

              Armstrong — Archer

Given that SR are going to insist on 3 at the back, I think we've just found our new manager. DoesxChat GPT have it's coaching badges, or will Tonda just be given the instructions? 🙂

[Dr. Kucho]

23 minutes ago, BARCELONASAINT said:

I have no idea what the plans are going forward and only hope there is a plan and they are just playing the waiting game with someone in their sights.

Sports Republic have one plan and one plan only, make money. And so far we are making money from player transfers and parachute payments so plan is to get a cheap young manager and hope we can sell him for a profit too. 

You can view the club as one big market stall with one goal in mind. Who cares how we play or what we do. As long as we make a profit through player sales and match tickets. 

So when it comes down to a new manager, look at the manager with the most potential, the cheapest and young. Russell, Still, Selles and now likely Eckert, all young and except of Russell all free and likely to be on a lower wage. So low risk and if one works out and is sold to another club, bingo. 

[S-Clarke]

1 hour ago, saintant said:

What happens to Eckert if he doesn't get the job? Does he return to the U21s who have just appointed Lallana as interim coach or does he leave the club? It's a total mess but nothing we are not used to under the clowns parading as SR.

It gets even clearer by the day to me.

Lallana is going to manage the U21's. If Eckert fails, they'll let him fail over a long period of time before acting, and then act by saying they had no choice and he'd likely be sacked - similar trajectory to Selles and Rusk, it will be no difference.

We'd then get your Mowbray sort in to stabilise into the summer, and go through another round of charades then. It will follow an almost identical path to everything which has gone before. 

[James]

1 minute ago, S-Clarke said:

It gets even clearer by the day to me.

Lallana is going to manage the U21's. If Eckert fails, they'll let him fail over a long period of time before acting, and then act by saying they had no choice and he'd likely be sacked - similar trajectory to Selles and Rusk, it will be no difference.

We'd then get your Mowbray sort in to stabilise into the summer, and go through another round of charades then. It will follow an almost identical path to everything which has gone before. 

The worst case scenario is a set of average results over the next week which SR feel empower them to appoint Tonda permanently. In the long run it’s almost better if this week’s results force SR to look elsewhere. 

[S-Clarke]

3 minutes ago, James said:

The worst case scenario is a set of average results over the next week which SR feel empower them to appoint Tonda permanently. In the long run it’s almost better if this week’s results force SR to look elsewhere. 

Even if he struggles, I don't think they'll act incredibly quickly. You can tell how desperate they are for him to get the job, so I think they'll even let him fail for a while before doing anything of note.

[Bushey Saint]

16 hours ago, Dusic said:

Just had an interesting chat with @ubiquitousdave - lets just say it might be worth reading up on Tobias Strobl a little more 👀

Only been at Verl since May but from the sounds of it is very much in the frame.

Bloody hell, I lived in Verl for two years back in the late 80s.  It is a small town (pop. now 25,000) with a tiny stadium.  Yes, SC Verl have made good progress over the past 15-20 years but none of that is down to their current manager, and they remain an amateur club punching well above their weight. It would be equivalent to appointing the manager from  (say) my local club now, Weston-Super-Mare.  In other words, a very long-odds, hopeful punt. 

[Willo of Whiteley]

It’s TONDA TIME!!!!!!

[Hoggins]

I’ve seen enough - give him the job.

we haven’t played like this in years

[Zorba]

What they waiting for? get him signed up!!!

[Whitey Grandad]

We are doing to Charlton what other teams usually do to us.

All four goals were top, top quality. 

[Fabrice29]

Hello manager who the players like and coaches patterns of play through the simplicity of passing the ball to each other.