New Manager Thread

[Willo of Whiteley]

Let’s be honest, it’s probably not too early. Tonda Eckhart has been massively found out.

Tonda Eckhart’s purple patch overshadowed a lot of things. 
I can recall maybe two solid performances during that time. On another day results easily could’ve gone the other way.

So the big question is, when we inevitably miss out on the play offs who is the next chump that’ll be told to play five at the back?
Who will be the next yes-man?
Who will be the next to take the blame for Sport Republic’s failings?

[madge]

Zero experience at this level especially with a club that should have big ambitions. SR appalling and failing again. 

[Mboto Gorge]

Not only has he got zero experience, he’s also got fuck all experience behind him with his back room staff either: it’s an absolute mess but is anyone actually surprised that these owners continue to take the piss out of the fans of this club with terrible decision after terrible decision. 

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

1 minute ago, Mboto Gorge said:

Not only has he got zero experience, he’s also got fuck all experience behind him with his back room staff either: it’s an absolute mess but is anyone actually surprised that these owners continue to take the piss out of the fans of this club with terrible decision after terrible decision. 

Good point, he's not being helped with the coaching behind him. That can't be good.

[Fabrice29]

Experience mentioned in every post already. How did Chris Wilders team get on today out of interest?

[SuperSAINT]

Can we sack him and put him back in interim charge? 

[Mboto Gorge]

2 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Experience mentioned in every post already. How did Chris Wilders team get on today out of interest?

90 points last year and 26 points from 17 games this year when he inherited 0 points from 6 games? Yet you pick a one game sample? Come on Jordan I know you’re the clubs PR man but you’re better than that. 

[IFHP]

Just like when the loons appointed Still , it’s when and not if Tonda gets the sack. 
 

Can’t see them sacking the dud till the end of the season when they’ll dress it up as an agreed parting of the ways. 

[Fabrice29]

16 minutes ago, Mboto Gorge said:

90 points last year and 26 points from 17 games this year when he inherited 0 points from 6 games? Yet you pick a one game sample? Come on Jordan I know you’re the clubs PR man but you’re better than that. 

1 game sample he says as he kindly points out a 17 game sample stat.

Edited yesterday at 19:51 by Fabrice29

[Fabrice29]

Anyway, stop thinking the manager dictates the result of the game. Stop demanding managerial changes and expecting different results with the same players. And stop thinking cliche things like experience and formations would also change things. Especially in the face of clear evidence that they don’t. 

[Mboto Gorge]

6 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

1 game sample he says as he kindly points out a 17 game sample stat.

What on earth are you going on about now? YOU picked a one game sample today, being Sheff Utd loss at Wrexham in isolation today, as an example that having an experienced manager doesn’t always work? I then pointed out a 46 game sample from last season then a 17 game sample from This season under said manager,  showing that he’s actually done well in that time period, over a much longer sample selection, thus dispelling your point in this particular case. So you’re either trying to be a smart arse and trolling, or you’re thick as fuck. 

Edited yesterday at 19:54 by Mboto Gorge

[Wade Garrett]

As poor an appointment he was by the clueless twats running the club, we absolutely have to leave him in place this season.  

[danjosaint]

32 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Experience mentioned in every post already. How did Chris Wilders team get on today out of interest?

Lost to another experienced manager 

[Fabrice29]

14 minutes ago, Mboto Gorge said:

What on earth are you going on about now? YOU picked a one game sample today, being Sheff Utd loss at Wrexham in isolation today, as an example that having an experienced manager doesn’t always work? I then pointed out a 46 game sample from last season then a 17 game sample from This season under said manager,  showing that he’s actually done well in that time period, over a much longer sample selection, thus dispelling your point in this particular case. So you’re either trying to be a smart arse and trolling, or you’re thick as fuck. 

Well my point was experience doesn’t dictate results. Which is not only proven by today. It’s also proven by Sheffield United v Southampton earlier this season (when we had a manager with no experience of this league) and it’s proven by the stat you mentioned that over his 17 games this season Wilder is picking up less points per game than Eckert. It’s also proven by your further start that wilder did better last season than he did this season, so more experience doesn’t mean better results because he’s evidently less experienced last season than he is this season. But yeah, maybe it’s me that’s thick as fuck or trolling or just point out very simple facts that people talking about experience are not making very sensible points. 

Edited yesterday at 20:07 by Fabrice29

[Fabrice29]

6 minutes ago, danjosaint said:

Lost to another experienced manager 

Both lost to Will Still and his vast experience 

[CSA96]

Bloody hell he's lost two games 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

11 minutes ago, CSA96 said:

Bloody hell he's lost two games 

Think it's more than two

[MB]

How long is his contract?

[Badger]

2 minutes ago, MB said:

How long is his contract?

This season and next, about 18months at the time of announcement 

[Pamplemousse]

Until we shift the deadwood we won't solve anything. The players are the problem. When the going gets tough they can't hack it. There's easily a dozen or more players who we need to get rid of.

Edited yesterday at 20:48 by Pamplemousse

[Football Special]

1 hour ago, IFHP said:

Just like when the loons appointed Still , it’s when and not if Tonda gets the sack. 
 

Can’t see them sacking the dud till the end of the season when they’ll dress it up as an agreed parting of the ways. 

Makes me laugh when club leaked they had spoken to a few managers but none of them had impressed,  setting up Tonda as the default choice when he was clearly Spors man all along. 

Run by a bunch of amateurs bluffing their way through it , surely behind closed doors they must be embarrassed by how insanely bad they are at their jobs 

[Football Special]

27 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

Until we shift the deadwood we won't solve anything. The players are the problem. When the going gets tough they can't hack it. There's easily a dozen or more players who we need to get rid of.

The players attitudes or ability? 

Because if the game was played on paper even a bad manager should be able to get more points out of the players we have. I acknowledge as a collective team we do look absolutely shite though, pieces of the puzzle just don't fit 

[die Mannyschaft]

I think since Tondas got the very good run of wins and team played decent football those points got us out of a certain relegation battle. And that has achieved the clubs target for this season, to avoid relegation. 

We should be able to scape another 20 points for mid table and to me that's exactly what we set out to do now. I'm convinced the managers target was safety and that's also the players. And that reflects the tactics and subs. 

Its not the winning that counts its taking part in the Championship 😁

[vectraman]

1 hour ago, Fabrice29 said:

Anyway, stop thinking the manager dictates the result of the game. Stop demanding managerial changes and expecting different results with the same players. And stop thinking cliche things like experience and formations would also change things. Especially in the face of clear evidence that they don’t. 

Well it would help if the manager didn’t pick Bazunu in goal, and bring Stephen’s back in when Quarshie done alright last game. That IS the manager choosing the team, therefore influencing the result. That is his job. 

[O_Lord_Marian]

1 hour ago, CSA96 said:

Bloody hell he's lost two games 

Millwall, Norwich and now Oxford. Maybe some will think that is acceptable, but in all reality, woeful results with the performances to match. The manager has to take the brunt of the criticism. 

[Starksj1995]

Not Tonda fault yes he’s not that much experienced but who else was really out there that js interviewed apart from

gon 

[saint michael]

Let’s be honest what is happening now is no surprise to any of us. It’s just another ripple in the downward trend of the club that’s been going on for years. 
 

all we’ve done is change the mgr. we haven’t changed philosophy, tactics, playing style approach etc in fact we’ve changed nothing from the will still days. 
 

the Millwall game should have alerted the owners that this team is so lazy, naive, tactically inept, skillless which ever facet you want to look at just plain crap. 
 

I find it so hard to watch them now because of the Groundhog Day experience the last few years have been. 
 

no positives until big clear out a proper experienced football guy coming in and an owner who acknowledges he knows less than the mgr about football 

better to travel in hope than arrive in despair, but the stations of hope are running out. 

[woodsaint1]

Some of the players are shite. But then again Russell Martin got the same players promoted, in fact he probably had a worse squad.

TE was never the long term answer, but the results were very good and there were no other realistic managerial options at the time. 

The problem is, and like Still found out before him, these players will not fight for TE when the going gets tough. He has no experience, possibly out of his depth, wasnt a player himself etc etc - these players will look for any excuse instead of looking inward

[tdmickey3]

3 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Let’s be honest, it’s probably not too early. Tonda Eckhart has been massively found out.

Tonda Eckhart’s purple patch overshadowed a lot of things. 
I can recall maybe two solid performances during that time. On another day results easily could’ve gone the other way.

So the big question is, when we inevitably miss out on the play offs who is the next chump that’ll be told to play five at the back?
Who will be the next yes-man?
Who will be the next to take the blame for Sport Republic’s failings?

Lallana

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, tdmickey3 said:

Lallana

Does he play 3 CBs?

[skintsaint]

Another 3 manager season? ...

[tdmickey3]

14 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Does he play 3 CBs?

I expect so

[Gloucester Saint]

44 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

Some of the players are shite. But then again Russell Martin got the same players promoted, in fact he probably had a worse squad.

Russell Martin had a worse squad 😂😂😂

Che Adams, Jan Bednarek, average in the PL but miles better than we have now. KWP better still. Fraser was 2 years younger. The loan players - David Brookes was quality.

Edited 23 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[Morse]

I think it unlikely SR will change manager again before the end of rhe season. But if and when they do it will be SR choosing the new manager so manage your expectations accordingly.  

[woodsaint1]

Pages 5, 6, 7 on this thread filled with high praise from everybody.

Fast forward exactly a month and some want TE gone. Of course viewpoints can quickly change based on performances....but a month, really?

Just shows how absurd the modern game has become. A couple of defeats and fans expect a new face Thats fans of all teams not just us - just look at Liverpool fans views on Slot now compared to a few months ago.

Whether we give TE the season or not matters little to me. The problems at this club run much deeper than the manager. Similarly it doesnt matter if we get promoted or we dont, there needs to be significant changes in the summer regardless. Our squad is miles off competing in the PL and if we we're still in the Championship then we need to stop relying on the same shit approach (players, recruitment, scouting, everything) and hoping that it will all work out

[Suhari]

I fucking hate Eric Black.

[Gloucester Saint]

14 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

Pages 5, 6, 7 on this thread filled with high praise from everybody.

Fast forward exactly a month and some want TE gone. Of course viewpoints can quickly change based on performances....but a month, really?

Just shows how absurd the modern game has become. A couple of defeats and fans expect a new face Thats fans of all teams not just us - just look at Liverpool fans views on Slot now compared to a few months ago.

Whether we give TE the season or not matters little to me. The problems at this club run much deeper than the manager. Similarly it doesnt matter if we get promoted or we dont, there needs to be significant changes in the summer regardless. Our squad is miles off competing in the PL and if we we're still in the Championship then we need to stop relying on the same shit approach (players, recruitment, scouting, everything) and hoping that it will all work out

I broadly agree with this post. Tonda is just another face on Rasmus’s operation and approach, if he goes it’s more of the same. The only way the patient can improve or even have signs of hope is a takeover and SR’s departure. 

Being outplayed by Oxford United in a 3-sided stadium on 5% of Saints’s budget is in no way an overreaction from any of us, it’s frustration from many at such poor underperformance when the decks were supposed to be cleared with Kraft et al leaving. Tonda should play his own system and team, but it’s clear there’s interference from SR board level. Spors has also alluded to it in previous interviews and is clearly angling for a move. 

[woodsaint1]

30 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Russell Martin had a worse squad 😂😂😂

Che Adams, Jan Bednarek, average in the PL but miles better than we have now. KWP better still. Fraser was 2 years younger. The loan players - David Brookes was quality.

I'll give you Che Adams and KWP. We could definitely do with both right now.

But Bednarek was average in the Championship and we still conceded a heap.

As for Brooks, he is a quality player but he did very little for us on loan. And Fraser....we now have Scienza, Azaz and Fellows. All arguably better wide options than what Fraser offered two years ago (Scienza and Fellows definitely)

I said squad and the players you picked were mostly starters. If you look at the bench in the playoff final - Lumley, Manning, Edozie, Rothwell, Stewart, Bree, Charles and Sulemana. Its literally much of the same of what we have now

[coalman]

We don't have a manager problem. We have a culture problem.

[Football Special]

8 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Russell Martin had a worse squad 😂😂😂

Che Adams, Jan Bednarek, average in the PL but miles better than we have now. KWP better still. Fraser was 2 years younger. The loan players - David Brookes was quality.

I'd add Stuart Armstrong to that list as well, great player for us 

[Junkyard Dog]

I think certain players are managing the team on the pitch and in the dressing room we need a strong manager whos not afraid to confront the problem.

[Sheaf Saint]

9 hours ago, Morse said:

I think it unlikely SR will change manager again before the end of rhe season. But if and when they do it will be SR choosing the new manager so manage your expectations accordingly.  

If the level of toxicity inside SMS reaches the same point it did against Still in the Preston game, I have no doubt they will shit the bed again and make another knee-jerk sacking to try and save face.

Only this time, should it get to that point, all of the fans' anger and vitriol needs to be directed at SR themselves rather than at Eckert. We can't let the useless fuckers squirm out of it again.

Their ownership has been one big ego-driven disaster from day one, and I cannot wait for the day they finally fuck off and we can actually start to feel good about our club again. They have sucked every last bit of joy out if supporting SFC. Even during Tonda's purple patch, I couldn't bring myself to really celebrate any of those wins, because deep down I knew it wouldn't last and would only be a matter of time before we reverted to type.

[EssEffCee]

Fucking hell 🤣

Edited 13 hours ago by EssEffCee

[Miltonaggro]

It would be really, really super if the board could try something left-field and appoint an articulate middle-aged manager without an inferiority complex / narcissistic personality disorder who has played and managed in the English game at a decent level with a degree of relative success / credibility. Allow them to oversee a clear out and rebuild of playing staff without inteferance, and set up formation however they see fucking fit. Maybe try this just the once…

[S-Clarke]

9 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

It would be really, really super if the board could try something left-field and appoint an articulate middle-aged manager without an inferiority complex / narcissistic personality disorder who has played and managed in the English game at a decent level with a degree of relative success / credibility. Allow them to oversee a clear out and rebuild of playing staff without inteferance, and set up formation however they see fucking fit. Maybe try this just the once…

But that would mean someone calling out their nonsense. 

It becomes more clear to me by the day that they want someone to control, feed the narrative to and someone who complies with the back 3 nonsense, Bazunu in goal etc. 

Any experienced/been around the blocks manager will tell them to do one, hence why we've ended up with a kid who is just grateful he has a job.

[Miltonaggro]

1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

But that would mean someone calling out their nonsense. 

It becomes more clear to me by the day that they want someone to control, feed the narrative to and someone who complies with the back 3 nonsense, Bazunu in goal etc. 

Any experienced/been around the blocks manager will tell them to do one, hence why we've ended up with a kid who is just grateful he has a job.

Obviously, every appointment they have made has been about retaining control, including the sacking of Hassenhutl in 2022. 

Edited 11 hours ago by Miltonaggro

[saint michael]

4 hours ago, coalman said:

We don't have a manager problem. We have a culture problem.

Plus a shit team problem that’s full of players who think they are special and are unskilled 

[Gloucester Saint]

5 minutes ago, saint michael said:

Plus a shit team problem that’s full of players who think they are special and are unskilled 

All recruited by SR. Think back to when Koeman was bringing in the likes of Pelle, Tadic and Mane. Not saying Saints hadn’t ever looked at or scouted them but clearly players the manager specifically wanted.

We’ve had very poor managers under SR but they’ve also had bad hands dealt to them with the level of interference and crap players randomly dumped on them via the Ankerson family transfer tavern.

[ally_uk]

Players are a issue downing tools and putting a effort in when it suits them.

Squad is full of whingy bottlers who are powder puff and fold when under the cosh....