James Ward-Prowse

[Mosin]

2 hours ago, Dman said:

Agreed - I don't see him going anywhere other than a West Ham / Villa type (maybe Brighton). He's a bulk standard top 10 player at best. Up until this season, we were his level, he was our level. I can't see him ending his career with a ton of medals wherever he goes. 

it'll be sad from a sentimental point of view and he is one of the limited ones who care, but I wouldn't be too arsed if he goes. Free kicks aside (who everyone has now cottoned onto the fact its better to let us shoot then give away a free kick), he's not a match winner and doesn't dictate games. 

Do we miss him when he's not there? Of course, that's because anyone coming in to fill his spot is fucking useless. could we replace him or more so what he offers (again free kicks aside).. imo easily.

We will of course miss his free kick ability. That would get you 10 goals in the championship. 

 

Are Newcastle not favs to sign him? a team going into to Europe, with Spurs also an apparent destination? Even talks of him joining Poch at Chelsea.....

Also, who do you think could come in replace JWP and start dictating games at southampton? i can think of players who would improve the team, but i cant think of that ultimate signing that would come in and start dictating games all on his own, Like swapping JWP for Kante is going to make a difference to this lot LOL.


 

Edited 22 May, 2023 by Mosin

[Lee On Solent Saint]

20 minutes ago, Mosin said:

Are Newcastle not favs to sign him? a team going into to Europe, with Spurs also an apparent destination? Even talks of him joining Poch at Chelsea.....

Also, who do you think could come in replace JWP and start dictating games at southampton? i can think of players who would improve the team, but i cant think of that ultimate signing that would come in and start dictating games all on his own, Like swapping JWP for Kante is going to make a difference to this lot LOL.


 

If he signs for any of those three you have mentioned, he's going to spend most of the next four years on the subs bench. Going to end up a bit part player like Phillips at City. 

[SotonianWill]

27 minutes ago, Mosin said:

Are Newcastle not favs to sign him? a team going into to Europe, with Spurs also an apparent destination? Even talks of him joining Poch at Chelsea.....

Also, who do you think could come in replace JWP and start dictating games at southampton? i can think of players who would improve the team, but i cant think of that ultimate signing that would come in and start dictating games all on his own, Like swapping JWP for Kante is going to make a difference to this lot LOL.


 

We won’t sign a better player than ward-prowse, but that dosent mean a replacement won’t make our team better. many “worse” players in midfield have resulted in a better team. Think fulham, brentford. do they have a better player in midfield individually than JWP? majority of our fanbase would say no. Are they better teams than us? yes

Edited 22 May, 2023 by SotonianWill

[Lighthouse]

3 minutes ago, SotonianWill said:

We won’t sign a better player than ward-prowse, but that dosent mean a replacement won’t make our team better. many “worse” players in midfield have resulted in a better team. Think fulham, brentford. do they have a better player in midfield individually than JWP? majority of our fanbase would say no. Are they better teams than us? yes

How on Earth is a worse player going to make them a better team? Fulham and Brentford are better because they have better teams and managers, not because they have bad midfielders.

[SotonianWill]

3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

How on Earth is a worse player going to make them a better team? Fulham and Brentford are better because they have better teams and managers, not because they have bad midfielders.

I see no reason why, if Russell Martin signs a midfielder fully suited to his system, he can’t make our team better despite being a worse player than jwp ability wise. 

[Lighthouse]

5 minutes ago, SotonianWill said:

I see no reason why, if Russell Martin signs a midfielder fully suited to his system, he can’t make our team better despite being a worse player than jwp ability wise. 

But that’ll be because we have a proper manager who has the team better organised, not because we have inferior midfielders.

[SotonianWill]

7 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

But that’ll be because we have a proper manager who has the team better organised, not because we have inferior midfielders.

You’ve basically explained my argument, which is based around an inferior player in a good system being better than a team of good individuals, hence why I gave those teams as examples. 

[Toussaint]

38 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

If he signs for any of those three you have mentioned, he's going to spend most of the next four years on the subs bench. Going to end up a bit part player like Phillips at City. 

I’m not so sure, city are different, they could put out two teams that would finish in the top four. 

[Saint Billy]

Let’s face it, if we are going to get numerous free kicks near and around the box he is a great asset, other than that he really doesn’t offer much else.

He doesn’t take on players and rarely picks out penetrating passes, so in reality he is a luxury than we can ill afford and by no means is he captain material. It’s time for him to go.

Edited 22 May, 2023 by Saint Billy

[Paul Chuckle]

 

with fans chanting "One more year" and being 'heartbroken' by the thought of JWP leaving, why would he even consider leaving?

 

Not my words, but the words of SaintRob, and I for one agree with him

 

Edited 22 May, 2023 by Paul Chuckle

[Lee On Solent Saint]

I guess in many ways he is living out the nightmare situation that didn't happen to Le Tiss. He obviously loves the club and probably would never had considered leaving if we stayed in the Premier League. I still think he will stay though.

[Alanh]

I would love JWP to be much more progressive on the ball.  Lavia regularly seems to receive the ball on the half turn and move or pass forward, but JWP doesn't seem to do that as much.  Lavia also gives that ball away more often and was at fault for the first two goals yesterday. It might be down to the manager or it might be he has become increasingly cautious over the season as we have become less confident as a team.

The one thing that amazes me in many comments about him is what appears to be an expectation that he will be the player to get the team playing positively, scoring goals and winning games.  There are no other teams in the league where you can definitively say one of their defensive midfielders is also their creative force.  Given he has been asked to play as DM for the last 18 months it's amazing that he has contributed what he has in terms of minutes played and chances created.

[bpsaint]

4 hours ago, Dman said:

Agreed - I don't see him going anywhere other than a West Ham / Villa type (maybe Brighton). He's a bulk standard top 10 player at best. Up until this season, we were his level, he was our level. I can't see him ending his career with a ton of medals wherever he goes. 

it'll be sad from a sentimental point of view and he is one of the limited ones who care, but I wouldn't be too arsed if he goes. Free kicks aside (who everyone has now cottoned onto the fact its better to let us shoot then give away a free kick), he's not a match winner and doesn't dictate games. 

Do we miss him when he's not there? Of course, that's because anyone coming in to fill his spot is fucking useless. could we replace him or more so what he offers (again free kicks aside).. imo easily.

We will of course miss his free kick ability. That would get you 10 goals in the championship. 

 

With talk of Declan Rice leaving West Ham I could easily see them bringing in Prowsey as they’d think he’s a perfect replacement. They’ll be in for a shock when they realise he doesn’t quite offer what Rice does.

[Dman]

Just to put the Myth to bed about JWP not being selected for England because he plays for us, the current squad contains; 

3 x Crystal Palace 

1 x Everton 

1 x Leicester 

1 x Brighton 

1 x Aston Villa

Southgate picks his side based on how they’ve previously performed for England and how they’d suit his system (Maguire being the example there). 

Even if he moves on and has a storming season, at best, all he can hope for is being in the squad for the euros… he’s not starting. 

 

[LeBizzier69]

12 minutes ago, Dman said:

Just to put the Myth to bed about JWP not being selected for England because he plays for us, the current squad contains; 

3 x Crystal Palace 

1 x Everton 

1 x Leicester 

1 x Brighton 

1 x Aston Villa

Southgate picks his side based on how they’ve previously performed for England and how they’d suit his system (Maguire being the example there). 

Even if he moves on and has a storming season, at best, all he can hope for is being in the squad for the euros… he’s not starting. 

 

Barring a numnber of long term injuries, he is never going to be a starter (bench warmer if he's really lucky) for England....even when his stats are top notch and he's scoring goals he's not high up on the list. One would imagine that any move shouldn't be based on an England career, but simply staying in the PL. 

[Dman]

14 minutes ago, LeBizzier69 said:

Barring a numnber of long term injuries, he is never going to be a starter (bench warmer if he's really lucky) for England....even when his stats are top notch and he's scoring goals he's not high up on the list. One would imagine that any move shouldn't be based on an England career, but simply staying in the PL. 

Maybe i'm biased and I'm not for a minute saying they aren't a bigger club, but I don't see the value (for him) in moving. I can't see him going anywhere other than a west ham or Aston Villa. What's the best he'll achieve there - possibly a season or 2 in the europa league? 

He's paid more than well enough here, he's not starting for England wherever he goes, he's not winning anything major (at best a FA cup maybe..?). I'm not suggesting he rots in the championship, but if he stuck around for 1 more season and we do go up, is he going to be in a much better position if he moves on? I'm not so sure.

[Graffito]

On 22/05/2023 at 17:52, Alanh said:

I would love JWP to be much more progressive on the ball.  Lavia regularly seems to receive the ball on the half turn and move or pass forward, but JWP doesn't seem to do that as much.  Lavia also gives that ball away more often and was at fault for the first two goals yesterday. It might be down to the manager or it might be he has become increasingly cautious over the season as we have become less confident as a team.

The one thing that amazes me in many comments about him is what appears to be an expectation that he will be the player to get the team playing positively, scoring goals and winning games.  There are no other teams in the league where you can definitively say one of their defensive midfielders is also their creative force.  Given he has been asked to play as DM for the last 18 months it's amazing that he has contributed what he has in terms of minutes played and chances created.

It’s because he’s slow on the turn and slow to accelerate. These are much bigger drawbacks to his game imo than the often cited lack of pace. You see it also when players go past him quite easily sometimes. Defensively he’s improved a bit by better positional play so that he doesn’t get caught out so often by players wrong footing him. But offensively he doesn’t seem to have the attributes to play on the half turn. Lavia can do it. Of course Lavia’s an exceptional player. It’s not that common for defensive midfielders to be able to turn defence into attack as Lavia does. It’s great to see. And it’s risky.
 

More generally on JWP, I saw something in the Athletic appraising the players most likely to leave. I can’t be arsed to post it and it’s probably against the rules anyway but his stats (ok stats but they give us part of the picture) are way ahead of anybody else in the squad.
 

Secondly, he gives his all. There are many in this squad I wouldn’t pay in chocolate buttons. He’s not one of them. We as fans expect players to care as much as we do. He does. We’ll miss him when he’s gone.

[a1ex2001]

Those in this thread saying they hope he leaves and trying to paint JWP as a poor player need to go stand in the corner for a bit and think about how dense they are being.  I'm fully aware he is not KDB but he is a class above every other midfielder at the club and would be one of the very very top players in the Championship, if he is dumb/loyal enough to stay another season it will be the best piece of business we do this summer.  Seriously look at his numbers he has been outstanding for us consistently for years, actually appears to give a damn about the club and would walk into the teams at at least 14/15 other clubs in the premier league let alone the championship.  All he lacks is that extra 10% that would make him world class, if he has been blessed with a little pace and a trick or two we would have lost him within a season to one of the big four. 

Edited 24 May, 2023 by a1ex2001

[Saint86]

14 minutes ago, a1ex2001 said:

Those in this thread saying they hope he leaves and trying to paint JWP as a poor player need to go stand in the corner for a bit and think about how dense they are being.  I'm fully aware he is not KDB but he is a class above every other midfielder at the club and would be one of the very very top players in the Championship, if he is dumb/loyal enough to stay another season it will be the best piece of business we do this summer.  Seriously look at his numbers he has been outstanding for us consistently for years, actually appears to give a damn about the club and would walk into the teams at at least 14/15 other clubs in the premier league let alone the championship.  All he lacks is that extra 10% that would make him world class, if he has been blessed with a little pace and a trick or two we would have lost him within a season to one of the big four. 

I hope he stays and guides us back to promotion even if it takes a couple of years.... If only to see him getting praise and true legend status whilst the boo boys have to grumble miserably amongst themselves in the corner 😎. Anyone suggesting he shouldn't be one of our (or the championship's) highest paid players is smoking some bad crack. Reality is that he's far too good for that league sadly.

It wouldn't surprise me if he waits to see what the owners do this summer re ambition and promotion chances before he makes his mind up. As much as relegation hurts, guiding saints back to the prem would be pretty special for someone as committed to the club as he is.

Edited 24 May, 2023 by Saint86

[ecuk268]

1 hour ago, Dman said:

Just to put the Myth to bed about JWP not being selected for England because he plays for us, the current squad contains; 

3 x Crystal Palace 

1 x Everton 

1 x Leicester 

1 x Brighton 

1 x Aston Villa

Southgate picks his side based on how they’ve previously performed for England and how they’d suit his system (Maguire being the example there). 

Even if he moves on and has a storming season, at best, all he can hope for is being in the squad for the euros… he’s not starting. 

 

Makes you wonder how Kalvin Phillips gets in.

Comes back from the World Cup and Pep says that he's overweight.

Doesn't start a game until January when we knock them out of the EFL cup.

Doesn't start a Premiership game until last Sunday at Brighton.

[a1ex2001]

2 hours ago, Dman said:

Just to put the Myth to bed about JWP not being selected for England because he plays for us, the current squad contains; 

3 x Crystal Palace 

1 x Everton 

1 x Leicester 

1 x Brighton 

1 x Aston Villa

Southgate picks his side based on how they’ve previously performed for England and how they’d suit his system (Maguire being the example there). 

Even if he moves on and has a storming season, at best, all he can hope for is being in the squad for the euros… he’s not starting. 

 

I don't think anyone here thinks he should be in England's starting 11 do they?  I certainly don't!  He should as he is be in and around the squad and I think he has been unlucky not to get more caps, if he put up similar numbers at a bigger club he would no doubt be selected more often.

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 hours ago, a1ex2001 said:

Those in this thread saying they hope he leaves and trying to paint JWP as a poor player need to go stand in the corner for a bit and think about how dense they are being.  I'm fully aware he is not KDB but he is a class above every other midfielder at the club 

So a bloke who calls other supporters dense, thinks Prowse is a “class above” Lavia 😂

[spyinthesky]

I am amazed at some of the anti JWP comments on here.

He is hard working player, rarely injured and, as far as I am concerned, has never given anything other than 100% commitment to the cause which is all I would ask for from any player in my very long association with the club.

He is also a bright lad who represents the club in the right way.

I do understand some of the comments re his lack of 'incisive' passing but this is primarily due to lack of movement by players in the final third of the field of play.

In my humble opinion I think JWP has been a credit to the club

[Sussex_saint]

Too right! People here need to cool off. I'll miss him loads - and I think it'll be clear how vital he is if he leaves. Part of me thinks he will stay - if he does, he will keep pocketing a massive cheque, and ensure club legend status. I think if SR bring on a decent manager, JWP could possibly be persuaded to stay, maybe on the condition that we will let him go if promotion fails next year.

[Wade Garrett]

Great player and a great bloke.

Hope he gives us another season.

[Convict Colony]

15 minutes ago, spyinthesky said:

I am amazed at some of the anti JWP comments on here.

He is hard working player, rarely injured and, as far as I am concerned, has never given anything other than 100% commitment to the cause which is all I would ask for from any player in my very long association with the club.

He is also a bright lad who represents the club in the right way.

I do understand some of the comments re his lack of 'incisive' passing but this is primarily due to lack of movement by players in the final third of the field of play.

In my humble opinion I think JWP has been a credit to the club

We are trying to slag off a girlfriend who we think is gonna dump us, it's a emotional protection response.

Ignore

 

[beatlesaint]

I don’t understand why people think he will stay. He owes the club and supporters nothing. He’s of the age now where a move is really his only option. He’s not staying, not a cat in hells chance.

[a1ex2001]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

So a bloke who calls other supporters dense, thinks Prowse is a “class above” Lavia 😂

Currently I would say yes, Lavia has shown incredible potential this season and could go in to be a better player, could also fizzle out into nothing.  JWP has been consistently good for years!

[Streaky]

11 minutes ago, a1ex2001 said:

Currently I would say yes, Lavia has shown incredible potential this season and could go in to be a better player, could also fizzle out into nothing.  JWP has been consistently good for years!

Jwp has been awful this season 

[Sussex_saint]

2 minutes ago, Streaky said:

Jwp has been awful this season 

Wouldn't say awful - certainly not in his prime but he's hardly been awful

[Mosin]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

So a bloke who calls other supporters dense, thinks Prowse is a “class above” Lavia 😂

Lavia has been pretty good for his age and has huge potential, But he hasnt been better than JWP, JWP is top for attacking actions and top on defensive actions, Lavia looks lavish with his style of play and trying to muscle his way out of shit, but he loses possesion far more than JWP, and doesnt exactly burst a gut to get back after losing the ball either, a nice slow stroll mostly does it, His passing comes up short mostly too, or it is mostly backwards as he has shown over the course of the season, in which he has only half of jwps progressive passes, and half of jwps passing distance covered. i guess we can say he drove forward with the ball at his feet a whole 3 times more and covered a whole 9 yards more with the ball at his feet than JWP over the season. But thats about it tbf.

But he is young, and he looks to have a huge amount of " potential " and could certainly become better than JWP.

But we all thought that about Lemonaid Lemina too, and look at what happened to him..........

[HarvSFC]

JWP would have/will be perfect for the new possession ethos we're moving forwards with. It'll be a shame if he does go to a West Ham who I've seen linked tonight as he'd never have gone there if we hadn't have been relegated. I reckon only the traditional top six clubs and Newcastle now could have tempted him if we stayed up. Now it's a bit more unpredictable.

[Pamplemousse]

I think the only way he'll stay is if clubs don't meet our asking price.

Personally I could see him being here at the start of the season, scoring a couple of free kicks, and then a Premier League team who have started the new season poorly getting desperate come the end of August possibly.

[Osvaldorama]

7 hours ago, a1ex2001 said:

I don't think anyone here thinks he should be in England's starting 11 do they?  I certainly don't!  He should as he is be in and around the squad and I think he has been unlucky not to get more caps, if he put up similar numbers at a bigger club he would no doubt be selected more often.

He should have been in for the last tournament. Taking Phillips over him, in the form he was in at the time was a ridiculous decision. 
 

Unfortunately the club has dragged him down to their level this season.  

For all the absolute muppets on here that slate him; just watch and see how well he does in a better team next season.
 

As someone above said, he is an absolute credit to the club and the city unlike the rest of the club. I can’t believe our ridiculous fan base that slate our captain who is the one that cares. Have a word with yourselves 

Edited 24 May, 2023 by Osvaldorama

[Lord Duckhunter]

16 hours ago, a1ex2001 said:

Currently I would say yes, Lavia has shown incredible potential this season and could go in to be a better player, could also fizzle out into nothing.  JWP has been consistently good for years!

He’s not “a class above” Lavia.

Edited 25 May, 2023 by Lord Duckhunter

[beatlesaint]

10 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

He’s not “a class above” Lavia.

Not even close

[sledger]

i dont get peoples expectation for jwp to be something he just isnt,hes a very fit,steady bread and butter midfielder with a great set piece shot,thats it.On another note i think saints unless they get a stupid offer will keep him for another season as they would lose nothing as he would still have 2 years left contract wise

[LeBizzier69]

32 minutes ago, sledger said:

i dont get peoples expectation for jwp to be something he just isnt,hes a very fit,steady bread and butter midfielder with a great set piece shot,thats it.On another note i think saints unless they get a stupid offer will keep him for another season as they would lose nothing as he would still have 2 years left contract wise

Yes, and if rumours are of either replacing Rice at WHU (who'll leave for big bucks) or joining mega rich NU then we can absolutely pull their pants down. We need to stand firm this window and make sure we get an absolute premium for these players. If Dragan is more involved, then maybe he'll play proper hardball.

[Saint86]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

He’s not “a class above” Lavia.

Would be curious to see how many goals, assists, and chance creations etc. per 90 does Lavia have to his name? how many 90min does Lavia manage - bearing in mind JWP will be running for 90+8min etc every single game of the season for what, 4 years now? Against that, how does Lavia perform defensively in comparison to JWP? I suspect the answer is that yes, JWP is the better player for saints right now.

Ideally we keep both and Alcaraz - we know Lavia is going for circa £40M next summer either way. We have parachute payments, players like Ely and Walcott are on relativley big wages and leaving, the young players are on lower wages and long contracts (so aren't a liability), and the squad has circa 40% wage reduction clauses... If saints are ambitious and want to build a "young" project, then we should be trying to build and gel a team by winning the champ. If we sell players like KWP, ABK, Salisu, Tella (rather not), Orsic, Onuachu, Adams etc - but kept Lavia and JWP, would anyone actually complain?

How many sales do we actually HAVE to make given the parachute payments and wage reductions? Sod it, you can chuck in sales of Lyanco and Perraud for all i care - JWP, Lavia, and to a less extend Alcaraz are our stars. Also shifting the above off of the wages and replacing with cheaper wage players would help - and that can absolutely be achieved in a summer rehaul. IMO we should be keeping those 3 and doing trades on basically every other player in the squad (if it comes to it) before we consider selling them - if we have any actual ambition to go up this season.

Edited 25 May, 2023 by Saint86

[Saint86]

18 hours ago, beatlesaint said:

I don’t understand why people think he will stay. He owes the club and supporters nothing. He’s of the age now where a move is really his only option. He’s not staying, not a cat in hells chance.

Because he clearly loves the club, is well grounded, and has a happily family life settled in the area?

I think he'll only go to be a regular at a top 10 club and preferably he wants European football. If he can't get that, he'll have to weigh up what his legacy will be when he retires - what will be be able to look back on, what will give him the most satisfaction? His only chance at all with england is playing regularly at a top club and performing well (and that's if its even possible over the likes of Philips, Rice, Bellingham, Gallagher etc). After that he'll want European football... and he'll want that free kick record... Will he trade the possibility of leading saints back to promotion against just playing premier league football for another club? That's clearly a decision for him and i doubt many really know his mind on that - but i bet it would be a tough choice for him. FWIW, I think he'll try to hold fire this summer, see what the rebuild looks like, and make a decision on his future at the back end of the window depending on whether he thinks we can get promoted or not - If SR mess about doing another 18year old investment team he'll definitely want out.

Edited 25 May, 2023 by Saint86

[littledavewatson]

Agree with the above around the possibility he could stay next year, and I think it'd be more to do with our valuation than any burning desire to stay. 

He's our captain, got 3 years left on his deal and there's no real need to sell. Combine this with obvious "emotional" attachment from the clubs side and the fact he is probably one of the only experienced heads in the squad, I think our valuation would be far higher than a prospective buyers. I'd be surprised if we settled for any less than about £40-50m for him and other clubs would see a hard working, tidy, set piece specialist who at 28 can add depth to an existing midfield, but not at that price.

I don't think it's inconceivable that Lavia stays either, but probably more to do with Man City than us or him. With the way we know football works now, I find it hard to believe that Man City would prefer to take a sell on fee and see him play for a rival without even trying to organise some form of commitment/agreement around the buy-back and have a word with the outgoing Wilcox. We've been linked with Borges and I'd assume Wilcox would have his eyes on a few other youngsters so would it be a surprise to see a few favourable loans or cut down fees with buy-backs on the premise we keep Lavia until the buy-back is live next year.

Obviously, Man City are renowned for their conformity to the rules... so maybe that suggestion is too underhand but I'm interested to see how it pans out.

It's a big decision all round because in my mind, I think keeping or losing a potential midfield of JWP, Lavia and Alcaraz in this supposed new system could be the difference between a season of mediocrity or a promotion push.

[Saint Fan CaM]

If we can believe Martin is going to be the next Manager, given his supposed style of possession based play, he would be well advised to build a team around JWP. He’s intelligent, has high possession stats (!!!) knows the club inside out and is after all the Captain. Only downside is he’s a senior player who has been part of a shambolic losing mentality for at least 3 seasons now and as such, perhaps not the best choice to lead the team going forwards. With two years left on his contract, Saints have hold of the strings (for once).

Edited 25 May, 2023 by Saint Fan CaM
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[Dman]

19 hours ago, a1ex2001 said:

Currently I would say yes, Lavia has shown incredible potential this season and could go in to be a better player, could also fizzle out into nothing.  JWP has been consistently good for years!

A consistent starter in the PL could fizzle out into nothing…. What is JWP then, other than a consistent starter in the PL. 

Lavia is already a better player and will go on to be a much better player than JWP. 

[Bad Wolf]

19 hours ago, beatlesaint said:

I don’t understand why people think he will stay. He owes the club and supporters nothing. He’s of the age now where a move is really his only option. He’s not staying, not a cat in hells chance.

The fact that he has signed a contract means that he does in fact owe us two more years. Just as the club owe him those same two hears.

[Guest]

I’m still confident he’ll stay, he seems a lot more switched on than footballers are given credit for.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

10 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

I’m still confident he’ll stay, he seems a lot more switched on than footballers are given credit for.

I think the club will be desperate to keep him. Wouldn't surprise me if he didn't have a relegation wage drop clause in his contract either. All depends if he tries to force a move through or not. He may be willing to give us another year, see where we are in January. 

[spyinthesky]

1 minute ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

I think the club will be desperate to keep him. Wouldn't surprise me if he didn't have a relegation wage drop clause in his contract either. All depends if he tries to force a move through or not. He may be willing to give us another year, see where we are in January. 

I am not so sure with regard to the 'desperate' comment.
It seems that JWP is on a £100k pw and there are suggestions that he doesnt have a relegation clause in his contract so that would be a cool £5m a year in wages when the average yearly wage in the Championship is around £1m - £1.5m tops.
Also JWP is a saleable asset at say £30-£40m which would provide some help with rebuilding against a scenario of £100m loss of revenue plus a similar debt incurring 9% interest.

[Convict Colony]

If this is a comparison thread between Lavia and JWP, they aren't comparable they are 2 different types of midfielders.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

I'd love JWP to stay. We've just been watching him with a succession of horrendous, ineffectual tactics. But he's had better spells not that long ago. He had been keeping us in games not far back either.

However, if he wanted to go (And it's important that's first, because the club will happily push people towards the exit nad then say that they wanted to go) and we got a significant fee, then I would hardly begrudge him stepping up, hopefully to get European football. I'd wish him well.

Even if he doesn't have a relegation release clause, I'd love him to stay. After all, the club should be commited to going up at the first attempt, so it's not going to be a massive inconvenience if they can follow through on their aspirations. We could happily lose any number of deadwood players to compensate for the salary difference.

[Fabrice29]

2 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

I’m still confident he’ll stay, he seems a lot more switched on than footballers are given credit for.

If he stays, he ain't switched on.