Saints Expelled from Playoffs

[dsrdorset]

8 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

So on the panel of three independent adjudicators, one of them was an ex-Boro player and another one was an ex-Boro lawyer. And one of the guys on the board at the EFL is also a Boro director.

And we're supposed to believe that the decision they came to being EXACTLY what Boro demanded in their press release is just a coincidence?

Utterly fucking corrupt.

Is this really true?? surely not

[Crab Lungs]

1 minute ago, Whitey Grandad said:

We were found out and there is of course no chance that we could be reinstated. But this entrapment process by Middlesbrough needs to be shouted from the rooftops not only to show that there are two sides to this matter but more importantly to get Boro excluded from the final. Or disqualified should they win.

If I do my expose documentary I’ll never be allowed a chicken parmo again.

its a big decision to make. 😭

[Mboto Gorge]

3 minutes ago, Crab Lungs said:

You do wonder if the ‘boro request to sit in on the ruling’ was just a performative action, with the denial being seen as ‘impartiality at play’

So They made sure they still pretty much sat in on the ruling anyway, indirectly. Unbelievable we let this happen without any objection. Seriously, what the fuck is going on? 

[offsidetrap]

45 minutes ago, St Chalet said:

It's just bloody lazy....

Create a plan if Hackney plays, create a plan if he doesn't, not rocket science.

The assumption here is that [all] the players can memorise, differentiate between, and act on two plans. 

[Crab Lungs]

Just now, Mboto Gorge said:

So They made sure they still pretty much sat in on the ruling anyway, indirectly. Unbelievable we let this happen without any objection. Seriously, what the fuck is going on? 

Fuck it, I think I need to serialise all this. If only for an interesting read, if nothing else. 

From the bits I’ve looked at and the pieces people have contributed here, the rabbit hole is goes deeper than the surface level stuff snippets in the media. 

[It's There]

I think a legal challenge should happen regarding the inappropriate not independent panel. 2 links to Middlesbrough…out of 3. Now who cheated? …if true

[Cuddles]

Was anyone else hoping we'd get the final postponed so we could whack Boro with some charges around their behaviour with the media etc?

[Mboto Gorge]

Just now, Crab Lungs said:

Fuck it, I think I need to serialise all this. If only for an interesting read, if nothing else. 

From the bits I’ve looked at and the pieces people have contributed here, the rabbit hole is goes deeper than the surface level stuff snippets in the media. 

Gibson basically has the EFL in his pocket, and because of this we were probably always likely to face expulsion once he’d got his claws into this case, but the fact we made it as piss easy for them as possible I expect even shocked them at how easy it was to throw the book at us with no comeback or reasonable defence or cross examining.
Pathetic from saints but the outcome has been totally controlled by Middlesbrough from the very start as they saw us as an easy target for their own gain, particularly when Parsons tried to go cap in hand to the most ruthless and most connected chairman within the EFL. Embarrassing all round. 

[tdmickey3]

18 minutes ago, saintant said:

None of this gets mentioned in the press. I wonder why.

Doesnt fit the narrative 

[Mboto Gorge]

4 minutes ago, Cuddles said:

Was anyone else hoping we'd get the final postponed so we could whack Boro with some charges around their behaviour with the media etc?

I genuinely hope they go bust, and I wouldn’t even wish that on Pompey 

[LeBizzier69]

Slight change of subject, I’ve had a beer and not sure where to mention it, but anyone else see that Hassan Kachloul is part of the BBC Wold Cup commentary team?

[Legoman]

Hellberg still milking it and saying training is very very difficult, shut the fuck up, you got what you wanted, stop fucking whining!

[Crab Lungs]

Guys, this goes a lot fucking deeper… hold on… I might need to check and double check some stuff 

Edited 2 hours ago by Crab Lungs

[RedArmy]

27 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

So on the panel of three independent adjudicators, one of them was an ex-Boro player and another one was an ex-Boro lawyer. And one of the guys on the board at the EFL is also a Boro director.

And we're supposed to believe that the decision they came to being EXACTLY what Boro demanded in their press release is just a coincidence?

Utterly fucking corrupt.

Speechless. 

[Thereisonlyonemickychannon]

3 minutes ago, Legoman said:

Hellberg still milking it and saying training is very very difficult, shut the fuck up, you got what you wanted, stop fucking whining!

He is a fucking cunt

[Patrick Bateman]

5 minutes ago, Crab Lungs said:

Guys, this goes a lot fucking deeper… hold on…

You on the road to hell? (See what I did there ..... )

[Mboto Gorge]

19 minutes ago, Legoman said:

Hellberg still milking it and saying training is very very difficult, shut the fuck up, you got what you wanted, stop fucking whining!

Blokes a fucking loser. Takes them from 2nd to 5th in his time there, then cries at a post match conference when they lose, and then laps up the chance to play a final via the back door and not via sporting merit, while still moaning about how stressful things have been and taking the public moral high ground whenever he can. I expect he also insisted on gender neutral toilets at the training ground 

Edited 2 hours ago by Mboto Gorge

[Patrick Bateman]

2 minutes ago, Mboto Gorge said:

Blokes a fucking loser. Takes them from 2nd to 5th in his time there, then cries at a post match conference when they lose, and then laps the chance to play a final via the back door and not via sporting merit, while still moaning about how stressful things have been and taking the public moral high ground whenever he can. I expect he also insisted on gender neutral toilets at the training ground 

That might be true, but he actually had a better record than Edwards ... 

Edited 2 hours ago by Patrick Bateman

[SotonianWill]

I don’t see where the evidence of Lydia advising Middlesbrough or representing them is. Happy, of course, to be proven wrong.

 

What’s  interesting is that if true and if left undisclosed, Saints can take this to the High Court with a good claim of serious irregularity. 

Edited 2 hours ago by SotonianWill

[Lighthouse]

39 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

So on the panel of three independent adjudicators, one of them was an ex-Boro player and another one was an ex-Boro lawyer. And one of the guys on the board at the EFL is also a Boro director.

And we're supposed to believe that the decision they came to being EXACTLY what Boro demanded in their press release is just a coincidence?

Utterly fucking corrupt.

A week ago people were laughing at the Boro forum being, "a desperate, delusional echo chamber." I think trying to claim you're the victim of corruption because a member of the panel played one game on loan at Boro 32 years ago, is getting pretty deep into the same territory. It would be like claiming Andrei Kanchelskis is obviously corrupt in our favour.

[Crab Lungs]

Bollocks, I thought I found a nugget of gold and instead found a nugget of poo.

Ah well, back to digging 

[LGTL]

5 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

A week ago people were laughing at the Boro forum being, "a desperate, delusional echo chamber." I think trying to claim you're the victim of corruption because a member of the panel played one game on loan at Boro 32 years ago, is getting pretty deep into the same territory. It would be like claiming Andrei Kanchelskis is obviously corrupt in our favour.

I know what you’re saying and I don’t think there’s any sort of corruption, but 1 appearance or 100, it still shouldn’t really be happening for something so important, even if it’s just for the optics. 

[Mboto Gorge]

7 minutes ago, SotonianWill said:

I don’t see where the evidence of Lydia advising Middlesbrough or representing them is. Happy, of course, to be proven wrong.

 

What’s  interesting is that if true and if left undisclosed, Saints can take this to the High Court with a good claim of serious irregularity. 

Unfortunately it doesn’t look like that’s true. No idea where they’ve got that from but it’s not in any public’ records that I can see

[vancouver_saint]

1 minute ago, Mboto Gorge said:

Unfortunately it doesn’t look like that’s true. No idea where they’ve got that from but it’s not in any public’ records that I can see

Her firm represented:

Middlesbrough FC v Garry Monk (2018). FA Rule K Arbitration

[Mboto Gorge]

Just now, vancouver_saint said:

Her firm represented:

Middlesbrough FC v Garry Monk (2018). FA Rule K Arbitration

I see. Couldn’t find that anywhere in any chat gpt or google search and believe me I spent a long time searching. Very interesting. 

[Thripp87]

If it couldn’t get any worse, Bet Victor have a certain John Mousinho as second favourite to be the next Southampton manager. 

[Mboto Gorge]

5 minutes ago, vancouver_saint said:

Her firm represented:

Middlesbrough FC v Garry Monk (2018). FA Rule K Arbitration

Lydia Banerjee is a prominent UK employment and sports law barrister from Littleton Chambers. In 2018, she was instructed to represent Middlesbrough FC in a high-profile High Court legal dispute against their former manager, Garry Monk. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

The core elements of this 2018 legal event involve:

The Legal Dispute

Context: Middlesbrough FC sacked Garry Monk in December 2017, only six months after hiring him with the directive to guide the club back to the Premier League. [1, 2]

The Claim: In early 2018, Middlesbrough FC launched legal proceedings in the High Court. The club alleged a breach of contract regarding the departure of Monk and his backroom coaching staff, explicitly raising concerns over "player poaching" and the recruitment of Middlesbrough personnel to Monk's subsequent club, Birmingham City. [1, 2]

Transfer Irregularities: The dispute widened as the club investigated potential conflicts of interest regarding player transfers negotiated during Monk's brief tenure. Middlesbrough alleged that confidential transfer target information had been shared to inflate agent commissions. [1, 2]

Lydia Banerjee's Role

Representation: As a specialist in restrictive covenants, breach of fiduciary duty, and sports sector employment contracts, Banerjee acted as counsel for Middlesbrough FC to protect the club’s commercial interests, enforce contractual clauses, and navigate the fallout of the backroom staff migration. [1, 2, 3]

[Patrick Bateman]

5 minutes ago, vancouver_saint said:

Her firm represented:

Middlesbrough FC v Garry Monk (2018). FA Rule K Arbitration

Exactly, ONE arbitration case. I think people should put this conspiracy oddness to bed

[Sheaf Saint]

20 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

A week ago people were laughing at the Boro forum being, "a desperate, delusional echo chamber." I think trying to claim you're the victim of corruption because a member of the panel played one game on loan at Boro 32 years ago, is getting pretty deep into the same territory. It would be like claiming Andrei Kanchelskis is obviously corrupt in our favour.

Doesn't matter how insignificant the connection is. Any connection whatsoever should be identified and should rule that person out of any independent panel.

If you do jury service, you have to declare if you have any prior connection to the defendant, no matter how minor it may be, and if so then you have to be replaced.

The fact our defense didn't pick up on this and demand anyone with prior links to Boro be replaced is quite breathtakingly negligent.

Edited 2 hours ago by Sheaf Saint

[CanadaSaint]

2 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Exactly, ONE arbitration case. I think people should put this conspiracy oddness to bed

I’d be okay with that.

As long as she declared it.

[Mboto Gorge]

2 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Exactly, ONE arbitration case. I think people should put this conspiracy oddness to bed

Let be honest, we’ve only got ourselves to blame and the club deserves everything it gets by the sound of it, as much for pure incompetence and stupidly as anything else, but look at all the circumstances of the ruling and the background of the panel, combined with the ruling being exactly what Boro demanded to the absolute letter…..and there’s no way you can conclude that this was an impartial hearing . 

[Harry_SFC]

5 minutes ago, Mboto Gorge said:

Lydia Banerjee is a prominent UK employment and sports law barrister from Littleton Chambers. In 2018, she was instructed to represent Middlesbrough FC in a high-profile High Court legal dispute against their former manager, Garry Monk. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

The core elements of this 2018 legal event involve:

The Legal Dispute

Context: Middlesbrough FC sacked Garry Monk in December 2017, only six months after hiring him with the directive to guide the club back to the Premier League. [1, 2]

The Claim: In early 2018, Middlesbrough FC launched legal proceedings in the High Court. The club alleged a breach of contract regarding the departure of Monk and his backroom coaching staff, explicitly raising concerns over "player poaching" and the recruitment of Middlesbrough personnel to Monk's subsequent club, Birmingham City. [1, 2]

Transfer Irregularities: The dispute widened as the club investigated potential conflicts of interest regarding player transfers negotiated during Monk's brief tenure. Middlesbrough alleged that confidential transfer target information had been shared to inflate agent commissions. [1, 2]

Lydia Banerjee's Role

Representation: As a specialist in restrictive covenants, breach of fiduciary duty, and sports sector employment contracts, Banerjee acted as counsel for Middlesbrough FC to protect the club’s commercial interests, enforce contractual clauses, and navigate the fallout of the backroom staff migration. [1, 2, 3]

Gibson is a whining twat isn't he

[SaintsLoyal]

Can someone cut me to the chase,  is the Saints spy involved with the ipswich case known ?  

[bpsaint]

7 minutes ago, Thripp87 said:

If it couldn’t get any worse, Bet Victor have a certain John Mousinho as second favourite to be the next Southampton manager. 

Come on you have to admit that would be fucking hilarious for the reaction from them down the road.

[saintant]

Just now, SaintsLoyal said:

Can someone cut me to the chase,  is the Saints spy involved with the ipswich case known ?  

Not sure but I don't think it was Salt because I believe I read he refused to do it. Might be wrong on that.

[Mboto Gorge]

6 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Gibson is a whining twat isn't he

That prick would take his own mother to court if he had the chance. I’d take her to court for not swallowing the prick  when he was conceived 

Edited 2 hours ago by Mboto Gorge

[Nordic Saint]

33 minutes ago, SotonianWill said:

I don’t see where the evidence of Lydia advising Middlesbrough or representing them is. Happy, of course, to be proven wrong.

 

What’s  interesting is that if true and if left undisclosed, Saints can take this to the High Court with a good claim of serious irregularity. 

Lydia Banerjee is a sports and employment law barrister at Littleton Chambers in London. She has a strong reputation for her expertise in sports-related matters, including advising and representing Middlesbrough F.C. in various sports-related and regulatory issues.

How on earth did Middlesbrough get away with this? There has clearly been some fixing going on behind the scenes. They had representation in both presenting the evidence with Neil Bausor on the EFL Board and in judging it with Lydia Banerjee on the "Independent" Commission. 

This would not be permitted in any other legal case.

Edited 1 hour ago by Nordic Saint

[Mboto Gorge]

2 minutes ago, Nordic Saint said:

Lydia Banerjee is a sports and employment law barrister at Littleton Chambers in London. She has a strong reputation for her expertise in sports-related matters, including advising and representing Middlesbrough F.C. in various sports-related and regulatory issues.

How on earth did Middlesbrough get away with this?

Because we’re run by incompetent chumps?

[Mboto Gorge]

The more you delve into this, the more you realise why such an unprecedented decision was reached,  that has shocked anyone with a legal background. If you watch the various reaction videos to the verdict , the ones most surprised are the legal representatives. 

[Lighthouse]

4 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Doesn't matter how insignificant the connection is. Any connection whatsoever should be identified and should rule that person out of any independent panel.

If you do jury service, you have to declare if you have any prior connection to the defendant, no matter how minor it may be, and if so then you have to be replaced.

The fact our defense didn't pick up on this and demand anyone with prior links to Boro be replaced is quite breathtakingly negligent.

They aren't a jury and they don't have connections. We haven't demanded they get replaced because this is very clearly just a bunch of whining nonsense. There's nothing to see here; a footballer who played one game for Boro in 1994 and a lawyer who was once paid to represent them in a completely irrelevant case eight years ago. Lawyers don't have tribal loyalty to people they've represented in court. They don't have half and half scarves at home with Ian Huntley on one side and Harrold Shipman on the other.

Our defence, "not picking up on it," is all in your head. We haven't complained because there's nothing to complain about.

[Harry_SFC]

2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

They aren't a jury and they don't have connections. We haven't demanded they get replaced because this is very clearly just a bunch of whining nonsense. There's nothing to see here; a footballer who played one game for Boro in 1994 and a lawyer who was once paid to represent them in a completely irrelevant case eight years ago. Lawyers don't have tribal loyalty to people they've represented in court. They don't have half and half scarves at home with Ian Huntley on one side and Harrold Shipman on the other.

Our defence, "not picking up on it," is all in your head. We haven't complained because there's nothing to complain about.

They've got her bank details then...maybe Gibbo whacked a few million into her account for a favourable outcome! 

[Turkish]

56 minutes ago, Crab Lungs said:

Bollocks, I thought I found a nugget of gold and instead found a nugget of poo.

Ah well, back to digging 

Just to add to the conspiracy theories of collusion between salt and the whistleblower they both deleted their LinkedIn profiles at almost exactly the same time? Another coincidence?

Edited 1 hour ago by Turkish

[Fabrice29]

1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

The argument, that I think you're on board with as well, is that our clubs media/PR machine should have been using that angle a lot more heavily in our favour than they did. We let Boro run around saying our interns name, details, pictures without any fight back or counter via our own channels.

That's what I find so, so bad about all this.

I did try and tell people this last week but people insisted we were being super professional and above Boro. The reason our media strategy was so poor/non existent was evidently we were guilty as sin and had nothing to fight back with. We hinted at saying it was a rogue employee but that immediately got found out to be horseshit. We obviously couldn’t say the first team staff/manager didn’t know and we couldn’t say it was a one off thing. 

And if you ever needed further proof of how fucked we were we sent MLT out at half time at St Mary’s to beg the fans to stop singing about it 🤣🤣🤣

[die Mannyschaft]

55 minutes ago, Mboto Gorge said:

I genuinely hope they go bust, and I wouldn’t even wish that on Pompey 

We should forget Pompey and just concentrate on Boro, I really hope they lose Saturday or if win Hull complain to EFL but some how Hull have just meant about Saints and they dint have the bottle 

[Whitey Grandad]

40 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

A week ago people were laughing at the Boro forum being, "a desperate, delusional echo chamber." I think trying to claim you're the victim of corruption because a member of the panel played one game on loan at Boro 32 years ago, is getting pretty deep into the same territory. It would be like claiming Andrei Kanchelskis is obviously corrupt in our favour.

I don't know for certain but I'm pretty sure he didn't just turn up with his boots one morning and get given a game in the afternoon. He must have been involved with the team for quite some time. 

[Patrick Bateman]

Just now, die Mannyschaft said:

We should forget Pompey and just concentrate on Boro, I really hope they lose Saturday or if win Hull complain to EFL but some how Hull have just meant about Saints and they dint have the bottle 

I honestly don't care who wins that now, it's not important to me. Both of those clubs will need to spend a lot to compete in that league (as would we have done). I think our energy is better invested in getting this bunch of cretins out of the club and look forward to next season with a clean sheet, wanker free, albeit on -4 points. 

[Nordic Saint]

Hi Steve. It's Neil here. Everything going according to plan. So who do you want on this Independent Commission? 

Perhaps Steve Gibson and Neil Bausor's phone records should be part of the investigation.

[Crab Lungs]

13 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Just to add to the conspiracy theories of collusion between salt and the whistleblower thru both delete their LinkedIn profiles at almost exactly the same time? Another coincidence 

Once again, it all starts adding up…

 

Thank you, I’ll add that to the list!

[Whitey Grandad]

37 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Exactly, ONE arbitration case. I think people should put this conspiracy oddness to bed

As opposed to one case of spying in the playoffs. 

[Fabrice29]

21 minutes ago, Mboto Gorge said:

The more you delve into this, the more you realise why such an unprecedented decision was reached,  that has shocked anyone with a legal background. If you watch the various reaction videos to the verdict , the ones most surprised are the legal representatives. 

Go to bed mate. It’s time to give up on this weird conspiratorial tirade now. This is not on you to figure out/defend. 🤣