#Spygate

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Willo of Whiteley said:

I don’t actually think Middlesbrough have much in the way of evidence aside from a minor breach.

Overall I think they will come out of this with a worse reputation than Southampton.

Not a chance, unless this is all one big hoax (which it clearly is not)

[SaintN14]

I do wonder whether the club could/should have played this differently with the media. It does seem the whole country’s press is against apart from Nicky Butt and Jon Sopel.

 

[skintsaint]

Someone help me out, as Boro went full guns in and got us charged on the 8th, does anything else found after that date get submitted for evidence? Boro's wording on their latest statement might suggest not.

[DellBlockH]

Just now, SaintN14 said:

I do wonder whether the club could/should have played this differently with the media. It does seem the whole country’s press is against apart from Nicky Butt and Jon Sopel.

 

Haven't seen what Jon Sopel said. But he did study at the University of Southampton.

[Willo of Whiteley]

Just now, skintsaint said:

Someone help me out, as Boro went full guns in and got us charged on the 8th, does anything else found after that date get submitted for evidence? Boro's wording on their latest statement might suggest not.

If it was a legal hearing and had been leaked it would’ve been inadmissible.

Boro have played to the press and largely thrown their toys out the pram.

[Cuddles]

1 minute ago, skintsaint said:

Someone help me out, as Boro went full guns in and got us charged on the 8th, does anything else found after that date get submitted for evidence? Boro's wording on their latest statement might suggest not.

Doubt Gobbo would be allowed to rock up on horseback two days in, with an ex-Saints employee tied and bound in the back of a carriage with a guilty note. If that's what you mean.

[Willo of Whiteley]

This will rumble on for a while. Steve Gibson will still want money out of Southampton for no real reason.

Even if you get a points deduction and the case is closed he’ll be going on about this for a while.

[64saint]

💯🥂🍾. Yes !!!!   100 pages reached on this thread, and it took a kid with an iPhone for us lot to manage it. Wtf !!!!!! 🤣🤣

Edited 6 hours ago by 64saint

[saintant]

1 minute ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

This will rumble on for a while. Steve Gibson will still want money out of Southampton for no real reason.

Even if you get a points deduction and the case is closed he’ll be going on about this for a while.

I'm not sure Dragan will shy away from a legal battle with Gibbo.

[Sheaf Saint]

2 minutes ago, 64saint said:

💯🥂🍾. Yes !!!!   100 pages reached on this thread, and it took a kid with an iPhone to manage it. Wtf !!!!!!

I reckon you might be onto something. We've all been wondering why the club would do this and if it was actually just a setup. 

Maybe it was all staged by Steve and mods to generate site traffic and raise advertising revenue 🤨

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Some legal bod on the Boro forum giving his opinion and interpretation of what is known (not the noise) believes we will not be expelled but there is risk for Saints of the first game being awarded 3-0 to Boro, as there is precedent between Celtic and Legia Warsaw which resulted in the same thing, plus a nod to the Swindon situation.

 

They can’t just change the result of a match thats ridiculous 

[James]

Just now, Turkish said:

They can’t just change the result of a match thats ridiculous 

Agree. I actually think that’s the least likely outcome. If this was happening prior to the second leg, maybe. Not once the second leg has taken place.

[sadoldgit]

Still can’t get my head around this farcical position we have gotten ourselves into. It’s like an episode of Ted Lasso.

 

[trousers]

I know I'm prone to reading too much between the lines sometimes, but would the club really be posting a tweet like this today if they thought there was any chance of us getting kicked out...?

 

 

[James]

1 minute ago, sadoldgit said:

Still can’t get my head around this farcical position we have gotten ourselves into. It’s like an episode of Ted Lasso.

 

I think Saints could have done a better job of controlling the media. They’ve let the Boro side have a clean run at this and it’s turned into a hysterical pile on. I have a reasonable amount of faith that the panel will comprise people smart enough to not like the outside noise impact their decision but the reaction has gotten completely out of control.

[Cuddles]

Just now, trousers said:

I know I'm prone to reading too much between the lines sometimes, but would the club really be posting a tweet like this today if they thought there was any chance of us getting kicked out...?

 

 

I think we're in the clear.

£500k fine, three points (suspended) and a penalty to Ipswich.

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, trousers said:

I know I'm prone to reading too much between the lines sometimes, but would the club really be posting a tweet like this today if they thought there was any chance of us getting kicked out...?

 

 

I doubt the club's social media team have been directed to do much other than to act as normal. 

[hypochondriac]

Just now, Cuddles said:

I think we're in the clear.

£500k fine, three points (suspended) and a penalty to Ipswich.

Is that based on any info or just pulling out random numbers like most commentators. 

[ecuk268]

8 minutes ago, saintant said:

I'm not sure Dragan will shy away from a legal battle with Gibbo.

Hopefully get a few of his Serbian "mates" over to "have a word" with Gibbo.

[hypochondriac]

This has been going on a week but it feels like a month. At least we have something to do in between the wait for the final. 

[DellBlockH]

2 minutes ago, trousers said:

I know I'm prone to reading too much between the lines sometimes, but would the club really be posting a tweet like this today if they thought there was any chance of us getting kicked out...?

 

 

Could add to the evidence that we knew exactly where Boro were going to play that ball out of defence. And that they were so unfit that Flynn would be able to catch them up after giving them a head start. 

[CB Fry]

5 minutes ago, trousers said:

I know I'm prone to reading too much between the lines sometimes, but would the club really be posting a tweet like this today if they thought there was any chance of us getting kicked out...?

 

 

Same as Boro releasing news stories about players being not fit for the final.

The kids call it manifesting.

We and they are willing want we/they want to happen.

Edited 5 hours ago by CB Fry

[trousers]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

I doubt the club's social media team have been directed to do much other than to act as normal. 

Most likely... As I say, just me doing my usual 2 + 2 = 5 hypothesis...

[Cuddles]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Is that based on any info or just pulling out random numbers like most commentators. 

Apologies, should have put a wink next to it. But wouldn't be surprised if that's what we end up with. Bloody Ipswich.

[stknowle]

Whatever the outcome of this, whether we are guilty or not and to what extent if we are, I have to say I fucking hate it and it has badly tainted what should be an enjoyable time following this club. 

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, LGTL said:

Latest reports from Jason Burt actually suggesting Boro have no evidence of us doing this to any other team. Which can only be good news. 

Great, then we go after them for defamation of character. They are awarded the first leg 3-0, they get what they want. For ungentlemanly conduct (for trying to influence the hearing and sentence) and defamation we are awarded the second leg 4-0. Job’s a good’un!  

[hypochondriac]

8 minutes ago, James said:

I think Saints could have done a better job of controlling the media. They’ve let the Boro side have a clean run at this and it’s turned into a hysterical pile on. I have a reasonable amount of faith that the panel will comprise people smart enough to not like the outside noise impact their decision but the reaction has gotten completely out of control.

Disagree. What would you like them to have done? 

[Matthew Le God]

7 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Same as Boro releasing news stories about players being not fit for the final.

The kids call it manifesting.

We and they are willing want we/they want to happen.

Where? Not on the club's website or X account. The local paper did, but the paper isn't the club.

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Matthew Le God

[Arjen Robben]

Wait until you find out Saints stayed at Rockcliffe park , and did their special training after Boro had finished theirs 😇

[LegalEagle]

1 minute ago, Arjen Robben said:

Wait until you find out Saints stayed at Rockcliffe park , and did their special training after Boro had finished theirs 😇

Where did we stay for the away league game at Boro?

[Bazzyfryer]

I might be missing something but if we have to stay in the Championship get docked points and get a massive fine we could be looking at a large number of players leaving plus the possibility of Emery as well not encouraging 

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Bazzyfryer said:

I might be missing something but if we have to stay in the Championship get docked points and get a massive fine we could be looking at a large number of players leaving plus the possibility of Emery as well not encouraging 

Why would more players leave than would have left anyway? 

[Matthew Le God]

2 minutes ago, Bazzyfryer said:

I might be missing something but if we have to stay in the Championship get docked points and get a massive fine we could be looking at a large number of players leaving plus the possibility of Emery as well not encouraging 

Why would that happen? If we get a points deduction, it won't be a massive one. Even if it was -6 for example, that wouldn't stop an automatic promotion chase, let alone a playoff one when 8th gets you into the playoffs next season.

If anything, we'd actually lose more players after a promotion as we'd need better players to have any chance of staying up!

Edited 5 hours ago by Matthew Le God

[sadoldgit]

11 minutes ago, James said:

I think Saints could have done a better job of controlling the media. They’ve let the Boro side have a clean run at this and it’s turned into a hysterical pile on. I have a reasonable amount of faith that the panel will comprise people smart enough to not like the outside noise impact their decision but the reaction has gotten completely out of control.

It has, but I think that actually works in our favour if we have something substantial to fight back with. I’m hoping the reason we are keeping our powder dry is because we have a bigger gun than they do. It doesn’t do us any favours to get into a slagging match before the hearing either. Better to be grown up and professional rather than childish and petulant.

(Unless Boro get their way in which case I hope Dragan kicks the shit out of that snivelling  little bastard “Gibbo”).

[Whitey Grandad]

20 minutes ago, James said:

I think Saints could have done a better job of controlling the media. They’ve let the Boro side have a clean run at this and it’s turned into a hysterical pile on. I have a reasonable amount of faith that the panel will comprise people smart enough to not like the outside noise impact their decision but the reaction has gotten completely out of control.

We don't have to control the media. All that matters is the EFL and their committee.

[Matthew Le God]

28 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

It has, but I think that actually works in our favour if we have something substantial to fight back with. I’m hoping the reason we are keeping our powder dry is because we have a bigger gun than they do. It doesn’t do us any favours to get into a slagging match before the hearing either. Better to be grown up and professional rather than childish and petulant.

Or a knife!

"That’s not evidence, this is evidence"

Edited 5 hours ago by Matthew Le God

[James G]

54 minutes ago, SaintN14 said:

I do wonder whether the club could/should have played this differently with the media. It does seem the whole country’s press is against apart from Nicky Butt and Jon Sopel.

 

"Being silent is generally associated with deeper, more genuine confidence..While loud behavior can look bold on the surface, psychology and social research suggest that it is often a mask for insecurity"

[egg]

19 minutes ago, James said:

I think Saints could have done a better job of controlling the media. They’ve let the Boro side have a clean run at this and it’s turned into a hysterical pile on. I have a reasonable amount of faith that the panel will comprise people smart enough to not like the outside noise impact their decision but the reaction has gotten completely out of control.

I disagree. We've kept our powder dry and allowed Middlesbrough to run themselves ragged. You've only got to read the BBC thread to see how public opinion has moved away from them. Sure, some ex players and journalists have strong views against us, but that's largely designed to get us biting imo. The best thing we could have done is keep quiet, prepare our case, and speak once the outcome is known. 

[hypochondriac]

Just now, egg said:

I disagree. We've kept our powder dry and allowed Middlesbrough to run themselves ragged. You've only got to read the BBC thread to see how public opinion has moved away from them. Sure, some ex players and journalists have strong views against us, but that's largely designed to get us biting imo. The best thing we could have done is keep quiet, prepare our case, and speak once the outcome is known. 

Any PR agency worth anything would have been advising us to do exactly what we have done. You can tell that some people on here haven't had to do crisis management. 

[Toadhall Saint]

3 minutes ago, egg said:

I disagree. We've kept our powder dry and allowed Middlesbrough to run themselves ragged. You've only got to read the BBC thread to see how public opinion has moved away from them. Sure, some ex players and journalists have strong views against us, but that's largely designed to get us biting imo. The best thing we could have done is keep quiet, prepare our case, and speak once the outcome is known. 

Never do your dirty washing in public.

[egg]

Just now, Toadhall Saint said:

Never do your dirty washing in public.

Indeed.

Or your spying. 

[Toadhall Saint]

6 minutes ago, James G said:

"Being silent is generally associated with deeper, more genuine confidence..While loud behavior can look bold on the surface, psychology and social research suggest that it is often a mask for insecurity"

AKA Small man syndrome- remind me how tall is Steve Gibson 😉

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, skintsaint said:

Someone help me out, as Boro went full guns in and got us charged on the 8th, does anything else found after that date get submitted for evidence? Boro's wording on their latest statement might suggest not.

It shouldn't. If any later eveidence is accepted then it should restart the 14 day time for a response.

[Whitey Grandad]

3 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

Never do your dirty washing in public.

Never argue your case on the steps of the courthouse. That sort of behaviour only happens in America.

[Toadhall Saint]

3 minutes ago, egg said:

Indeed.

Or your spying. 

😂

[CB Fry]

21 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Where? Not on the club's website or X account. The local paper did, but the paper isn't the club.

 

Shut up you twat 

[Saint NL]

32 minutes ago, trousers said:

I know I'm prone to reading too much between the lines sometimes, but would the club really be posting a tweet like this today if they thought there was any chance of us getting kicked out...?

 

 

Curious they used the number 115.

Man City have 115 charges pending, they're the biggest cheats around. Maybe the Saints social media team are saying that cheats do prosper 

[Katalinic]

The "1 week to go" post by the club and silence over the past 48 hours from the Boro client journos suggests to me that all parties know the outcome, or at least what it isn't. Hopefully anyway.

[James G]

3 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

Curious they used the number 115.

Man City have 115 charges pending, they're the biggest cheats around. Maybe the Saints social media team are saying that cheats do prosper 

It's a curious post, with the red emoji

There's some hidden message in there for sure

[SW11_Saint]

From today’s Sunday Times… 

Interesting and worrying… so the FA could pick up charges against us after the EFL commission. Also worrying the EFL have the power to review phone/text records… (but wouldn’t they have already done that if the deadline is Tuesday?). Increasingly thinking we’ll have someone else at the helm next season, even if temporarily.