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Posted
13 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

We aren't getting £35m for a 28 year old Championship player. We'd take £25m.

Not when  owner has said 35M same for Shea Leeds have had 2 offers rejected as been told 30M 

Posted
4 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

Yeah seems like a fairly genuine link.  Price seems to be the only thing that doesn't really make sense and 7.5 - 8M is too high for a player bought by Como for 1.5M who hasn't played for them and didn't set the world alight at Ipswich last season.  On a long contract 'till 2029 but I would have thought 5M tops would get him and can't imagine many other clubs busting a gut to buy him.  Hopefully only one of a number of players we're looking at.

I remember when we were linked that that pacy winger I think he was African last year. Never seemed to make much sense and nothing came of it in the end. I reckon Lankshear is our main target and we will wait it out a bit longer.

Posted
2 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

He may be attracting interest but he isn’t a £30-£35M player - supposedly the fee we’d be after. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Yh 35 we want big offer reported by ab

Posted
15 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

Yeah seems like a fairly genuine link.  Price seems to be the only thing that doesn't really make sense and 7.5 - 8M is too high for a player bought by Como for 1.5M who hasn't played for them and didn't set the world alight at Ipswich last season.  On a long contract 'till 2029 but I would have thought 5M tops would get him and can't imagine many other clubs busting a gut to buy him.  Hopefully only one of a number of players we're looking at.

A loan seems the ideal move, perhaps with a buy clause if he plays enough games and we get promoted.

Como have made the Morata loan a permanent move, so I doubt a slot will open up for him there.

Posted
2 hours ago, Nolan said:

To me Azon looks to be Larins Cover.

Good hold up play to allow attacking runs, better finishing can be taught at his age. 

 

I don't see it as cover/understudy, I would think the idea is he will alternate with Larin in the same way as Stewart did. From reading about him, it sounds like he has the right attributes for that, just needs to step up his goals output a bit in the same way as Larin did when he arrived. 

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Posted
1 minute ago, Chez said:

A loan seems the ideal move, perhaps with a buy clause if he plays enough games and we get promoted.

Como have made the Morata loan a permanent move, so I doubt a slot will open up for him there.

Agreed. Signing a backup striker for 9 million makes little sense. I don't reckon we will sign him.

Posted
15 minutes ago, Saint Pete said:

I don't see it as cover/understudy, I would think the idea is he will alternate with Larin in the same way as Stewart did. From reading about him, it sounds like he has the right attributes for that, just needs to step up his goals output a bit in the same way as Larin did when he arrived. 

I agree. The championship games come thick and fast, and we saw last season that a huge part of the way Eckert manages is to have players that can he can swap and change in and out of the squad and then do the same job. Dobbin, azon etc., are being signed to be part and pacel of the first team.

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Posted
8 minutes ago, Saint Pete said:

just needs to step up his goals output a bit in the same way as Larin did when he arrived. 

Not sure they are comparible.

Larin was scoring plenty of goals (more than one in two in the US, more than one in three in Turkey) at the same age. It was just when he went to Mallorca that things turned sour - and they were a poor side. Azon on the other hand has scored 27 in 150 Spanish second division games and five in 40 for Ipswich. Still time to blossom...

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Posted
1 hour ago, Starksj1995 said:

Not when  owner has said 35M same for Shea Leeds have had 2 offers rejected as been told 30M 

We said 100 million for Dibling, as I recall 🤪

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For Azon you can't conflate appearances with starts and minutes on the pitch, and probably should include assists.

Given his age, the stats look a lot better when you adjust for that - better than 1 in 3 g/a per match

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Posted
15 minutes ago, 2Morrow said:

For Azon you can't conflate appearances with starts and minutes on the pitch, and probably should include assists.

Given his age, the stats look a lot better when you adjust for that - better than 1 in 3 g/a per match

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Or alternatively you discount assists and just look at goals and last season he's one goal every 5 games.  For a team that came second.  I don't think there's any way round the fact that he doesn't score enough (and I guess if you want to get really nerdy then his xG against actual goals scored would back that up). 

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Posted
22 minutes ago, 2Morrow said:

For Azon you can't conflate appearances with starts and minutes on the pitch, and probably should include assists.

Given his age, the stats look a lot better when you adjust for that - better than 1 in 3 g/a per match

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can we get a stat for assisting assists too? This is often overlooked but i think this is important, how many times do players make a key pass, win a header etc, give it to the guy that gets the assist. This IMO is equally as important Stat.

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Posted
12 minutes ago, Turkish said:

can we get a stat for assisting assists too? This is often overlooked but i think this is important, how many times do players make a key pass, win a header etc, give it to the guy that gets the assist. This IMO is equally as important Stat.

You mean, key passes? 😄

Posted
2 hours ago, Saint Pete said:

I don't see it as cover/understudy, I would think the idea is he will alternate with Larin in the same way as Stewart did. From reading about him, it sounds like he has the right attributes for that, just needs to step up his goals output a bit in the same way as Larin did when he arrived. 

This is my thought as well. Tonda seems to like to pretty equal players in each position (midfield and attack) and it’s not really a case of a starter and a backup. 

Posted
2 minutes ago, HKsaint said:

I think he is worse than archer.

The difference being, we know Archer is shit*. We don't know how Dobbin will fair. He might be really suited to a Tonda team. 

*I don't actually think he's shit, for whatever reason, its just not worked here for wahtever reason. 

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Posted
2 hours ago, 2Morrow said:

For Azon you can't conflate appearances with starts and minutes on the pitch, and probably should include assists.

Given his age, the stats look a lot better when you adjust for that - better than 1 in 3 g/a per match

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Basically, once adjusted, a goal every other game?

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Sometimes with these strikers, their careers start off slow and then something just clicks. Liam Delap the most recent example off the top of my head. A pretty poor scoring record during multiple loans and then Ipswich got him and he became their one hope of staying up and became one of the most sought after strikers that summer after Ipswich's relegation. Harry Kane as an extreme example was the same during his early years and the rest is history there.

We know that Eckert's tactics get the best out of forwards like Azon, as seen with Larin and we also know that Azon will at least effect the game elsewhere if he isn't scoring, unlike many of our other recent strikers who would disappear and hide.

That said, I'm not against a punt on a player for less than £10m who we aren't going to be dependant on because we have Larin.

 

Posted
26 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Basically, once adjusted, a goal every other game?

1 goal every 3-4 90 mins played, and 1 assist every 5.

Posted
9 minutes ago, lumuah said:

1 goal every 3-4 90 mins played, and 1 assist every 5.

Inclusive of playing first team football since he was 17.

Last year he underperformed his XG by about 6, suggesting the chances he got were good enough to match a goal every other game. Over that small a sample size, it could be luck, and there arent many players who underperform to that extent across large samples. I presume we are betting he regresses to the mean next year and scores at the rate larin and stewart did with us.

Posted
36 minutes ago, ally_uk said:

Regarding Scienza if he wants to go and we get 25 million+ so be it... Get the next one in, not the end of the world  

It’s not the end of the world and we could pull another rabbit out of the hat but there are no guarantees the next ‘can off the rank’ has the same impact as Leo. He must have a good length of time on his contract so I don’t see why we would be selling unless the offer was too good to turn down and/or we have any sense he would down tools if we didn’t accept - he doesn’t seem like that sort of character though.

Posted
47 minutes ago, ally_uk said:

Regarding Scienza if he wants to go and we get 25 million+ so be it... Get the next one in, not the end of the world  

signing players that are among the best in the league in their position isn't easy. 

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Posted

Leo has, maybe due to circumstance, been a bit of a journeyman and a late starter. I appreciate he wants to reach the top. With us he has a genuine chance and at a place where he’s adored and he seems to like playing at. If he goes and flops then he may well be moving on again in 12 months time and by that point he won’t be far off 30. 

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Posted
5 hours ago, 2Morrow said:

For Azon you can't conflate appearances with starts and minutes on the pitch, and probably should include assists.

Given his age, the stats look a lot better when you adjust for that - better than 1 in 3 g/a per match

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I remember when we last stats fixed and everyone was told Carrillo scored a goal every 21 minutes 😜 

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Posted

Leo signed a 4 year contract, he’s going to stay unless we get a stupid offer.

Same goes for Jander, what gives them the right to fuck off after one season.

That’s what gets me when we give players the chance to better themselves with us then they get too big for their boots.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Pilchards said:

Leo signed a 4 year contract, he’s going to stay unless we get a stupid offer.

Same goes for Jander, what gives them the right to fuck off after one season.

That’s what gets me when we give players the chance to better themselves with us then they get too big for their boots.

You say that like we’re doing them a favour, letting them play for us. If players get a chance to play at a higher level they will almost invariably want to go. It then becomes a question of negotiation between the player, the club and any potential suitors.

We won’t be waiting for ‘stupid’ offers, we’ll be interested in acceptable offers. Football is a business.

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Posted
45 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

You say that like we’re doing them a favour, letting them play for us. If players get a chance to play at a higher level they will almost invariably want to go. It then becomes a question of negotiation between the player, the club and any potential suitors.

We won’t be waiting for ‘stupid’ offers, we’ll be interested in acceptable offers. Football is a business.

What is the difference between a stupid offer and an acceptable one? In some cases the might be the same, in others, not.

I think the case of Elliot Anderson is a stupid offer, others might deem it acceptable.  

The point is that we won't settle for market value on players one year into a four year deal. We will say no, either untill the money becomes too good, or the player starts kicking up a fuss.

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Posted
2 hours ago, Pilchards said:

Leo signed a 4 year contract, he’s going to stay unless we get a stupid offer.

Same goes for Jander, what gives them the right to fuck off after one season.

That’s what gets me when we give players the chance to better themselves with us then they get too big for their boots.

Might hinge on any release clause or agreement to let the player know of offers that the club agrees on signing them.

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Boro, especially Gibson and Hellberg, really are whiny little bitches aren’t they?

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/dael-fry-hits-back-injury-34288272

Tale of woe on all of the targets they’ve missed out on as well such as Dobbin.

Hope we smash the miserable cunts 5-0 at SMS next season, knocking the chips off both shoulders. Then they’ll have to return that shithole.

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Posted (edited)
15 hours ago, UpweySaint said:

It’s not the end of the world and we could pull another rabbit out of the hat but there are no guarantees the next ‘can off the rank’ has the same impact as Leo. He must have a good length of time on his contract so I don’t see why we would be selling unless the offer was too good to turn down and/or we have any sense he would down tools if we didn’t accept - he doesn’t seem like that sort of character though.

Does he really have a huge impact in terms of goals and assists? I feel he flatters to deceive on occasions, beats two men then doesn't get his head up for the killer pass or loses the ball.

Granted he's good to watch, but impact not so sure.

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Posted
23 minutes ago, Oldandtired said:

Does he really have a huge impact in terms of goals and assists? I feel he flatters to deceive on occasions, beats two men then doesn't get his head up for the killer pass or loses the ball.

Granted he's good to watch, but impact not so sure.

I expect we could find some deep level stats that break down his impact on our attacking play to give us more definitive answers. Short of that happy to go by eye. I don’t think you’re alone in questioning the end product but my sense is he contributes a lot to the overall build up play and our attack seems much more potent when he plays (for the most part). I’m hoping with a Tonda preseason we could see even more from him next season.

Posted
23 hours ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

Keeping THB and Jander is key for me.

 

Yes, yes a thousand times "Yes"!

it's time to give the Captaincy to THB, not that it is much of an incentive in the bigger scheme of things but he is a true heads-above-the-parapet leader that can galvanise the team.

Jack Stephens just doesn't have the right genes; being a long serving employee and a thoroughly decent chap aren't good enough reasons for how a Captain should be chosen.

We have to keep Jander for at least this season to help our drive to the `PL. If we succeed then the whole scene changes and we might finally stop being a selling club. 

Posted
33 minutes ago, Oldandtired said:

Does he really have a huge impact in terms of goals and assists? I feel he flatters to deceive on occasions, beats two men then doesn't get his head up for the killer pass or loses the ball.

Granted he's good to watch, but impact not so sure.

Let's not find fault where none exists. Very few seem to take your view judged by the passion on the terraces for our Brazilian wunderkind.

Posted
6 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Yes, yes a thousand times "Yes"!

it's time to give the Captaincy to THB, not that it is much of an incentive in the bigger scheme of things but he is a true heads-above-the-parapet leader that can galvanise the team.

Jack Stephens just doesn't have the right genes; being a long serving employee and a thoroughly decent chap aren't good enough reasons for how a Captain should be chosen.

We have to keep Jander for at least this season to help our drive to the `PL. If we succeed then the whole scene changes and we might finally stop being a selling club. 

Agree. For me THB should now be leading the line as captain. However we could get offers in for him. West Ham are selling Todibo so will have cash to burn.

Jander, got better as the season went on. Hopefully he's settled and gives it another go this season.

 

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Posted
17 hours ago, ally_uk said:

Regarding Scienza if he wants to go and we get 25 million+ so be it... Get the next one in, not the end of the world  

I get the point but Scienza is a known quantity. Any replacement is a risk and it would be close to the end of the world if we fail to get promoted this year. Potentially many years in the lower leagues would be what happens. 

Posted
41 minutes ago, Oldandtired said:

Does he really have a huge impact in terms of goals and assists? I feel he flatters to deceive on occasions, beats two men then doesn't get his head up for the killer pass or loses the ball.

Granted he's good to watch, but impact not so sure.

I don’t disagree that he is good to watch but the end product is often frustrating. If it wasn’t though he would have been playing at a higher level than ours last season.

Posted
31 minutes ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

Agree. For me THB should now be leading the line as captain. However we could get offers in for him. West Ham are selling Todibo so will have cash to burn.

Jander, got better as the season went on. Hopefully he's settled and gives it another go this season.

 

I can't see thb making a sideways move to whu. 

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Posted
27 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I don’t disagree that he is good to watch but the end product is often frustrating. If it wasn’t though he would have been playing at a higher level than ours last season.

I agree his end product was slightly frustrating. But equally, just because he is good, people seem to be forgetting that it was his first year in English football - do players only get this as a mitigating excuse when they've struggled? Who is to say there isn't more to come from Scienza?

Equally, he does have the sprinkling of star factor - at any moment he may make something happen, get the team up the pitch, cut the opposition defense open, inject some positivity into our play - i don't think that should be overlooked.

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Posted
5 minutes ago, St Chalet said:

It's reported THB isn't on a big wage, with two years left on his deal it will either be a renewed and enhanced contract for him or we will sell this Summer to realise the best value.

I'd like to see him give it another year here as captain personally.

Source = https://www.capology.com/club/southampton/salaries/

I think he's the kind of player we need in the side for our siege mentality, I'd like to see him with the captain's armband and a new contract (with a tasty promotion bonus) this season.

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Posted
19 minutes ago, St Chalet said:

It's reported THB isn't on a big wage, with two years left on his deal it will either be a renewed and enhanced contract for him or we will sell this Summer to realise the best value.

I'd like to see him give it another year here as captain personally.

Source = https://www.capology.com/club/southampton/salaries/

Capaology is a waste of time. You don't move for a £20m transfer fee and earn £7500 a week. 

Posted

Crystal Palace linked to Charles but the story seems to be based on an ex scout saying "their scouts have watched him" which doesn't mean much.

Posted
40 minutes ago, warsash saint said:

I can't see thb making a sideways move to whu. 

What would be the point when there are PL likely buyers at mid-lower table level and West Ham will be making a huge transition next term albeit should be contending for top 2 even so?

Whether those PL clubs get near Dragan’s valuation is another story.

Posted
17 minutes ago, Chez said:

Capaology is a waste of time. You don't move for a £20m transfer fee and earn £7500 a week. 

Yeah, he would have been on more at City.

Posted
2 hours ago, Pilchards said:

Not sure why that’s in our transfer chat group when we have a championship one open for news like this?

Ah balls, I actually did mean to stick it in that other thread as well

Posted
50 minutes ago, Chez said:

Crystal Palace linked to Charles but the story seems to be based on an ex scout saying "their scouts have watched him" which doesn't mean much.

Especially if the were standing behind a tree with an iPhone.

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