Guilty of 114 charges

[whelk]

8 hours ago, Sarnia Cherie said:

That's my understanding too. Clutching at straws I suppose. Burnham, after his remarks about not wanting the owners to sell up has now had to say that Manchester City are not above the law. Somebody needs to tell him that politics and sport don't mix.

People are keen to piss themselves at anything these days. 

[egg]

9 hours ago, saintant said:

They used this argument and it was kicked out by the Independent Panel so not sure why they're going with it again. I thought that anything in the original case could not be repeated now and they have to come up with new evidence supporting their grounds in the appeal.

Incorrect. Appeals focus on whether the original panel/court/tribunal got it wrong, not new evidence. 

[Football Special]

On 30/09/2026 at 19:57, VectisSaint said:

He was the Mayor of Manchester, probably had a lot of contact with them and their supposedly massive investments in the City. 

Absolutely right. Man City/ owners have helped considerably to the regeneration of that area so its not surprising Burnham will have got on well with them in that role , they would have bought a lot of goodwill not that it will be much use for them now 

[Football Special]

16 hours ago, Ted Bates Statue said:

 

Feels like this might be what really does for the owners, if directors had been signing off accounts knowingly understating wages and therefore tax paid on them that should be an easy target for tax authorities to go after. 

Football finances do make me laugh though, I'd still rather City's owners investing their own cash than Man Utds debt based Glazer leveraged buy out that put the debt on the football club rather than the individuals making the purchase 

 

[saintant]

I see the FA have spoken out against Man City following them being found guilty and stated they will step in where appropriate so sounds like they could well get involved.

[CSA96]

 

[Bushey Saint]

47 minutes ago, CSA96 said:

 

Was waiting for that shoe to drop.  And if that comes to pass then I'm just walking away from football.  Already sick to death of the political shenanigans at FIFA/UEFA/<insert other Federations> level, but if it comes down to one sovereign nation interfering in the domestic sporting arrangements of another?  Beep that.  As far as I'm concerned EPL, EFL and FA can all go to hell, I'll find something else to amuse me.

[bpsaint]

1 hour ago, CSA96 said:

 

City fans on their forum mentioned a couple of days ago that it was only a matter of time before the UAE put pressure on the city and threaten to pull out of the UK, and here we are!!

Edited yesterday at 11:23 by bpsaint

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, CSA96 said:

 

Posturing and bullshit. They aren't pulling out of anything that makes them stupid amounts of money.

[benjii]

Arabs do practice the withdrawal method.

[badgerx16]

City have lodged an appeal, saying they have submitted "a comprehensive body of irrefutable evidence". If the evidence is "irrefutable", why wasn't it submitted during the hearings at which they were found guilty ?

[Holmes_and_Watson]

6 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

City have lodged an appeal, saying they have submitted "a comprehensive body of irrefutable evidence". If the evidence is "irrefutable", why wasn't it submitted during the hearings at which they were found guilty ?

The investigation has gone on a long time. It important that the note saying "their evidence is irrefutable" is written by the current PM.

[saintant]

49 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

City have lodged an appeal, saying they have submitted "a comprehensive body of irrefutable evidence". If the evidence is "irrefutable", why wasn't it submitted during the hearings at which they were found guilty ?

It was but the Independent Panel decided it was concocted later as a means to get off with the charges. They now hope a new panel will have a different viewpoint. My understanding is that the new panel will consist of very experienced high court judges.

[Fabrice29]

Seemingly a part of this appeal is the idea that evidence reviewed over 3 months before they actually conclude their findings is "unsafe". 

[Doctoroncall]

1 minute ago, Fabrice29 said:

Seemingly a part of this appeal is the idea that evidence reviewed over 3 months before they actually conclude their findings is "unsafe". 

Did they give reason(s) why it was unsafe?

[The Kraken]

They’ll do well to get this whole thing wrapped up by the end of the season.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cqn7470513n0o

The commission was made up of three people, each with many years' experience in the legal field.  The appeal will now be heard in private by a new, three-person independent commission panel, each with a similar expert background in law.

One section of the Premier League regulations says that an appeal hearing should conclude within 12 weeks of it being heard, and a decision communicated within 30 days of that.

Twelve weeks from Thursday – when City say they lodged the appeal – would be 24 December.  But this timeframe can also be disapplied if deemed necessary, meaning it remains uncertain how long the process will actually take.

Previous precedent suggests that sanctions against City will only be imposed after a decision on the appeal, though this is not guaranteed.  There could therefore also be a second appeal later down the line, against any sanctions imposed on the club.

So, 24 December plus 30 days takes us to late January. Then City will surely appeal whatever sanction they get. So if the whole appeal 12 weeks plus 30 days thing applies, it gets extremely close.

[LiberalCommunist]

The drag it out option has served City well. If they can kick this can down the road for long enough, it might well disappear, with the help of a rather large brown envelope on the desk of the right amount of greed person. I honestly would not be that surprised. Meanwhile, we are condemned to the pits of Mordor to break rocks for eternity. Love a bit of justice. 

[CSA96]

1 hour ago, Doctoroncall said:

Did they give reason(s) why it was unsafe?

People's memory and accurate recollection of events fades over time, is the argument

[Sunglasses Ron]

1 hour ago, LiberalCommunist said:

The drag it out option has served City well. If they can kick this can down the road for long enough, it might well disappear, with the help of a rather large brown envelope on the desk of the right amount of greed person. I honestly would not be that surprised. Meanwhile, we are condemned to the pits of Mordor to break rocks for eternity. Love a bit of justice. 

In what way can this "disappear"?  It's not like any of us are going to forget!

[Wade Garrett]

6 hours ago, CSA96 said:

 

So what.  Fuck them.  Don’t trust them, never have.

[SW5 SAINT]

18 hours ago, Sarnia Cherie said:

That's my understanding too. Clutching at straws I suppose. Burnham, after his remarks about not wanting the owners to sell up has now had to say that Manchester City are not above the law. Somebody needs to tell him that politics and sport don't mix.

Politics and sport have always been mixed, and always will be…….

[Football Special]

7 hours ago, CSA96 said:

 

Money talks , perhaps Solak had threatened not to invest in Regeneration plans  / monkey chicken petting zoo. 

Edited 22 hours ago by Football Special

[Holmes_and_Watson]

19 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Money talks , perhaps Solak had threatened not to invest in Regeneration plans  / monkey chicken petting zoo. 

No! Why must the fates forever stop us living our dream?! Why?!

[Saint Billy]

Only a matter of time before football in its present state turned to shit and came crashing to the ground. There is far too much money involved in the game now for honest football. 

[CSA96]

 

[Willo of Whiteley]

Worth a listen this one - two parts, first bit David Ornstein and breaking the story, second part with Paul Gilroy KC, going through the legal stuff

 

Edited 19 hours ago by Willo of Whiteley

[saintant]

1 hour ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Worth a listen this one - two parts, first bit David Ornstein and breaking the story, second part with Paul Gilroy KC, going through the legal stuff

 

Cheers that was a great watch with two very credible guests especially the legal guy.

[StrangelyBrown]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cmew9w451vx8o

 

Oh dear a certain Middlesbrough seem to be on the dirty money list ...

[Midfield_General]

18 hours ago, LiberalCommunist said:

The drag it out option has served City well. If they can kick this can down the road for long enough, it might well disappear, with the help of a rather large brown envelope on the desk of the right amount of greed person. I honestly would not be that surprised. Meanwhile, we are condemned to the pits of Mordor to break rocks for eternity. Love a bit of justice. 

Yes, I expect if they wait long enough then the Premier League, all 20 Premier League clubs, the Champions League clubs, the Europa clubs, UEFA, HMRC, the Treasury, the independent football regulator, all their legal teams, the world’s press and broadcasters, their commercial partners and the entire global audience will just forget about it. That certainly seems plausible. 

[die Mannyschaft]

13 hours ago, CSA96 said:

 

This link between number 10 and Manchester mayor for investment for projects and the new Cambridge silicon valley will influence the appeal and punishment.  Money talks in politics and influence is key to any party policies so dont expect anything more than-18 points if that.

Foreign investors probably own a third of property,  industry in uk and UAE has endless amount of money in pipeline.  Number 10 won't want the pipeline tap to be turned off. 

I think the Tonda punishment has been delayed until day before Pompey game as in comparison he's going to get a far bigger punishment than Manchester Burnham City.

[The Kraken]

1 hour ago, die Mannyschaft said:

I think the Tonda punishment has been delayed until day before Pompey game as in comparison he's going to get a far bigger punishment than Manchester Burnham City.

Our case is being brought by the FA, Man City’s by the Premier League.

You're suggesting that the FA and the premier league have colluded to delay the fA’s announcement, so that they can go lighter on Man City, whose appeal outcome likely won’t be known for many weeks yet?

Talk us through the logistics of that, would you please?

[Turkish]

7 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Our case is being brought by the FA, Man City’s by the Premier League.

You're suggesting that the FA and the premier league have colluded to delay the fA’s announcement, so that they can go lighter on Man City, whose appeal outcome likely won’t be known for many weeks yet?

Talk us through the logistics of that, would you please?

Sounds plausible 

[Wade Garrett]

2 hours ago, die Mannyschaft said:

This link between number 10 and Manchester mayor for investment for projects and the new Cambridge silicon valley will influence the appeal and punishment.  Money talks in politics and influence is key to any party policies so dont expect anything more than-18 points if that.

Foreign investors probably own a third of property,  industry in uk and UAE has endless amount of money in pipeline.  Number 10 won't want the pipeline tap to be turned off. 

I think the Tonda punishment has been delayed until day before Pompey game as in comparison he's going to get a far bigger punishment than Manchester Burnham City.

With respect, that is bullshit.

Burnham will not risk his credibility to protect proven cheats.  Like most politicians, he cares more about himself and his career and less about the country.

[CB Fry]

3 hours ago, The Kraken said:

Our case is being brought by the FA, Man City’s by the Premier League.

You're suggesting that the FA and the premier league have colluded to delay the fA’s announcement, so that they can go lighter on Man City, whose appeal outcome likely won’t be known for many weeks yet?

Talk us through the logistics of that, would you please?

Something something something lefties something 

[St. Ciervo]

18 hours ago, CSA96 said:

 

That might be how the law works down there, but not in the UK...oh. Really? Damn. 

Edited 40 minutes ago by St. Ciervo