lordswoodsaints Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 i emailed the club a few days ago to find out if they were willing to spill the beans on the abscence of hockaday and webster and this is the reply i got from the press office.. Unfortunately, the Club is unable to issue an official comment on the situation regarding Malcolm Webster and David Hockaday at this time. This is due to the fact that in both cases there are ongoing employment issues. This situation was made clear in the Southern Daily Echo a number of weeks ago. Kind Regards, basically they cant or wont tell us ????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 I hear that the two have opened up a gardening business as It was forced on them to learn another trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 I hear that the two have opened up a gardening business as It was forced on them to learn another trade. Haven't the club got enough plants already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 So in other words, they are surplus to requirement but we can't afford to sack them or pay them off and therefore seeing out their contracts away from the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 i emailed the club a few days ago to find out if they were willing to spill the beans on the abscence of hockaday and webster and this is the reply i got from the press office.. Unfortunately, the Club is unable to issue an official comment on the situation regarding Malcolm Webster and David Hockaday at this time. This is due to the fact that in both cases there are ongoing employment issues. This situation was made clear in the Southern Daily Echo a number of weeks ago. Kind Regards, basically they cant or wont tell us ????? Did I miss that????? PS WHat time did you get away last night??? We ended up staying up until 2 sorting it all out!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 They couldnt be surplus to requirements as both their posts were not redundant and know that Keith Granger is goalkeeping coach not sure who has taken over from Hockaday but may be its on a rotation basis. Maybe its going to a tribunal or something like that - anyway not very good press for the club in any event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 Let's hope that there are not NDA's involved...and they get the chance to put their side across... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 This situation was made clear in the Southern Daily Echo a number of weeks ago. They really know how to talk to their paying customers down at SMS, dont they ? And since when has the Echo been their official mouthpiece ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 19 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 February, 2009 Did I miss that????? PS WHat time did you get away last night??? We ended up staying up until 2 sorting it all out!!!! ha ha my mirror is still in the hallway waiting for me to drill a couple of holes......cant see it happening until the weekend..........maybe:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 Since when did the Echo start making announcements on Saints behalf - Things get worse by the day.................... what a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 Let's hope that there are not NDA's involved...and they get the chance to put their side across... If they enter williningly into compromise agreements then an NDA is usually standard ...not just to protect the employers, but to prevent both parties having to drag the whole mire through various courts and media.... that is really fair enough - If they believe they have a stronger case or a real case for constructive dismissal or such like they can use the usual legal routes and thus will not be subject to an NDA, its their choice based on the factual circumstances so to be honest its really a non story at this time - a personal matter until they decide what to to based on any legal advice they receive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumstead_Saint Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 Shabby. But not surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 Good grief. Have we suddenly turned from a side tearing up the division to a p*** poor shambles since they were released? Perhaps they were just deemed to be doing a bad job. Who the hell knows? Of course, they may have just parked in Rupert''s parking space one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 Good grief. Have we suddenly turned from a side tearing up the division to a p*** poor shambles since they were released? Perhaps they were just deemed to be doing a bad job. Who the hell knows? Of course, they may have just parked in Rupert''s parking space one day. Don't you think it would be good of the Club to share such information with its supporters (not the nitty gritty of course), after all Hockaday was lauded as an integral part of the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up not too long ago???? They sing it from the rooftops when they want to and then brush it under the carpet. And what do you think of the reply that the Echo has covered it, but we won't??? There's some great mutual respect being shown by the Club here. Who's in charge of PR??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 19 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 February, 2009 Good grief. Have we suddenly turned from a side tearing up the division to a p*** poor shambles since they were released? Perhaps they were just deemed to be doing a bad job. Who the hell knows? Of course, they may have just parked in Rupert''s parking space one day. this is true ponty but it is not their ability (or lack of) that has been questioned,it is the way that they have been treated and the subsequent lack of forthcoming information about their departures that ****es people off. it stinks of a grubby little cover up and it looks again like we are being treated as mushrooms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 I know what you both mean, but it wasn't that long ago that we'd have been lucky to know the names of all the coaching staff, let alone the ins and outs of their respective hiring and firing. The internet has got a lot to answer for because ignorance probably IS bliss in some matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 So thats Three gone from the revolutionary four strong Coaching set up, as intimated by Lowe/Wilde they will work together in one cause. Seems like IMHO Webster & Hockerday decided that the revolution was not headed in the right direction & probably Voiced their oppinion in to strong a way for Lowe to take. Who is running our great accademy & reserves now?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbyboy Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 This situation was made clear in the Southern Daily Echo a number of weeks ago. Is it worth phoning up the Echo and asking them (1) for this info, since we all missed it and (2) how they feel about being the club's official mouthpiece? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 19 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 February, 2009 I know what you both mean, but it wasn't that long ago that we'd have been lucky to know the names of all the coaching staff, let alone the ins and outs of their respective hiring and firing. The internet has got a lot to answer for because ignorance probably IS bliss in some matters. it is true that if we were flying high and everything was rosy then this event would have passed unnoticed but it has to be said that the club has the ability to use the internet when it chooses (good or bad news) so why use the echo when they have a perfectly good official website? ignorance probably is bliss........but only when you are doing well;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 19 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 February, 2009 Is it worth phoning up the Echo and asking them (1) for this info, since we all missed it and (2) how they feel about being the club's official mouthpiece? i have just sent this reply to the press office..... thanks for the reply,i dont mean to be rude but when has the echo been the official mouthpiece of the club?,surely this should have been posted on the official site.you mention ongoing employment issues and if this involves a court case then it is understandable that this cannot be discussed but if they are just seeing out there contracts because they are surplus to requirements then this should be made public.please dont think i am being difficult or having a go at you personally but i am a paying customer (4 season tickets) and i would like to be informed in the proper manner when changes occur otherwise to the outside world it looks like this episode is just being brushed under the carpet and kept hush hush.it is hard a hard job being a saints fan at the moment and this episode just adds more resentment to an ever growing file of bad things that are happening to our once great club,especially when season ticket renewal forms are close to dropping through our letterboxes.i really love watching live football,and i like the convenience and value that a season ticket brings but it is little things like this that put me off spending money upfront on my season tickets.its about time the club became a bit more open about things otherwise it all seems a bit grubby and deceitful when the club treats its customers like idiots. lets wait and see if they reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 Good grief. Have we suddenly turned from a side tearing up the division to a p*** poor shambles since they were released? Perhaps they were just deemed to be doing a bad job. Who the hell knows? Of course, they may have just parked in Rupert''s parking space one day. It would be an easy enough thing to do, as he is hardly ever there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 It's replys like that which make you want the administrator to be called in to give the whole ****ing lot of them the bullet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 i have just sent this reply to the press office..... thanks for the reply,i dont mean to be rude but when has the echo been the official mouthpiece of the club?,surely this should have been posted on the official site.you mention ongoing employment issues and if this involves a court case then it is understandable that this cannot be discussed but if they are just seeing out there contracts because they are surplus to requirements then this should be made public.please dont think i am being difficult or having a go at you personally but i am a paying customer (4 season tickets) and i would like to be informed in the proper manner when changes occur otherwise to the outside world it looks like this episode is just being brushed under the carpet and kept hush hush.it is hard a hard job being a saints fan at the moment and this episode just adds more resentment to an ever growing file of bad things that are happening to our once great club,especially when season ticket renewal forms are close to dropping through our letterboxes.i really love watching live football,and i like the convenience and value that a season ticket brings but it is little things like this that put me off spending money upfront on my season tickets.its about time the club became a bit more open about things otherwise it all seems a bit grubby and deceitful when the club treats its customers like idiots. lets wait and see if they reply. You'll let us know ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 Termination of contracts can be very delicate matters with obvious repercussions if the correct procedures are not followed so I can understand the club not wanting to discuss this. However referencing the Daily Echo is quite incredulous. Whoever wrote that response on behalf of the Club was sadly lacking in direction from above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 Termination of contracts can be very delicate matters with obvious repercussions if the correct procedures are not followed so I can understand the club not wanting to discuss this. However referencing the Daily Echo is quite incredulous. Whoever wrote that response on behalf of the Club was sadly lacking in direction from above. Isnt the whole club suffering from that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 i emailed the club a few days ago to find out if they were willing to spill the beans on the abscence of hockaday and webster ... and what business is it of yours to ask such a question??? Anybody would think you were a customer or something???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 Previous to our declarion of war these two agent's were sent in to the field on operation garden leave. It is for this reason the club would prefer it if the fodder ehm fan's put an end to this tittle tattle and ceased drawing attention to sensative issue's. Keep up the good work. Baa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 They couldnt be surplus to requirements as both their posts were not redundant and know that Keith Granger is goalkeeping coach not sure who has taken over from Hockaday but may be its on a rotation basis. Maybe its going to a tribunal or something like that - anyway not very good press for the club in any event. Is this Keith Granger who conceded 11 goals in 2 games for us ?Obviously a good track record to coah from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 This situation was made clear in the Southern Daily Echo a number of weeks ago. So they can't count. And they think they were qualified to save the clubs finances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 So who is Keith Granger? not a name i reckonise from footballing past, who did he used to play for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 20 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2009 got a reply last night..... I apologise if my original e-mail didn't quite add up. In my reference to the fact that the situation was made clear by the Echo a few weeks ago, I was in fact refering to the fact that when the Echo contacted us about Malcolm and David, we informed them that we were unable to comment due to the fact that it was an ongoing employment issue. This they reported word for word. As I have said, at this moment in time the Club is unable to make an official comment - announcing the situation on the Club's official website would be considered an official comment. It is in situations like these that we will liaise with the Echo to release a statement to inform fans of the situation (so as not to keep them in the dark). Without meaning to sound repetitive, all that we can say at the moment has been said. The world of employment law is (or so I am informed) very complex and I think it is probably worth pointing out that once all parties (the Club, Malcolm and David) have settled on an outcome then we will of course make an official statement. In the meantime I will check with the Club's HR department first thing in the morning to try to ascertain a realistic timeframe as to when things will be settled. I hope that this goes some way to clearing things up for you, and apologise if any of this e-mail doesn't read particularly well - I am sending this from a rather tempermental and jumpy blackberry! If you have any further questions please do not hesitate to contact me. Kind regards, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Looks a fair enough comment really. The demands of fans for knowledge does not somehow circumnavigate the due legal process and to think it should is naive and plain stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Saints fans in getting in a hissy fit over mis-reading something online shocker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Looks a fair enough comment really. The demands of fans for knowledge does not somehow circumnavigate the due legal process and to think it should is naive and plain stupid. But surely a comment saying these 2 are no longer employed by the club, doesn't breach due legal process? These two have just 'disappeared'. It happened a lot with Pol Pot's right-hand men as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 But surely a comment saying these 2 are no longer employed by the club, doesn't breach due legal process? These two have just 'disappeared'. It happened a lot with Pol Pot's right-hand men as well. If under 'consultation' or if they have been offered a compromise agreement and are considering the implications of signing it or not and their next steps, they will still be under the meploy of the club at this time - which is suggested by the fact that there is as yet no agreement - so the only additionla thing that could be said is that they are technically still employess... but there is not point in this as it simply confuses the issue. best to say nothing until its resolved in all parties interests. The thing to realise is this: If they have been treated badly we will hear about it as they will feel what is offered by the club is inadequate and thus wont sign any CAs or NDAs. These things always take time to reach a conclusion that everyone is happy with, and therefore its best played out in private. It helps no one to speculate about it on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 I'd imagine we're trying to cancel their contracts without compensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 So who is Keith Granger? not a name i reckonise from footballing past, who did he used to play for? Us,I think.Although only played twice and conceded 11 goals in the process if its the bloke I'm thinking of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eesti matty Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Yes, Keith used to play for us in the 80s. My Dad signed him for Basingstoke Town in 1990 and he played for Basingstoke until just after my Dad resigned. Saints then took him back on loan to help provide cover for some reserve games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 got a reply last night..... I apologise if my original e-mail didn't quite add up. In my reference to the fact that the situation was made clear by the Echo a few weeks ago, I was in fact refering to the fact that when the Echo contacted us about Malcolm and David, we informed them that we were unable to comment due to the fact that it was an ongoing employment issue. This they reported word for word. As I have said, at this moment in time the Club is unable to make an official comment - announcing the situation on the Club's official website would be considered an official comment. It is in situations like these that we will liaise with the Echo to release a statement to inform fans of the situation (so as not to keep them in the dark). Without meaning to sound repetitive, all that we can say at the moment has been said. The world of employment law is (or so I am informed) very complex and I think it is probably worth pointing out that once all parties (the Club, Malcolm and David) have settled on an outcome then we will of course make an official statement. In the meantime I will check with the Club's HR department first thing in the morning to try to ascertain a realistic timeframe as to when things will be settled. I hope that this goes some way to clearing things up for you, and apologise if any of this e-mail doesn't read particularly well - I am sending this from a rather tempermental and jumpy blackberry! If you have any further questions please do not hesitate to contact me. Kind regards, Christ! It looks like someone at SFC is capable of communicating with its customers in a professional, courteous and amiable manner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Christ! It looks like someone at SFC is capable of communicating with its customers in a professional, courteous and amiable manner! Eventually... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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