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Do you think if we stay up that will be the case? If we go down it will be depressingly 10k or below.

If Wotte is successful then I expect the levels to be as they are now.I watched the Arsenal game today and saw all those empty seats in the FA cup qtr finals!! How things have changed.It is hard to judge exactly what will happen next season, a lot would be down the recession league and ticket prices.Add to that who is in control of the club, although the league we are in is the major bit.

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might as well close half the ground.

 

I fear losing the stadium might be a price we have to pay I just cant see how it willl be viable unless like you say closing half the ground but I dont ever want to see that! imagine the effects on team morale

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I fear losing the stadium might be a price we have to pay I just cant see how it willl be viable unless like you say closing half the ground but I dont ever want to see that! imagine the effects on team morale

The team we have now will have little comparison to then if we go down.I expect that the club may close large parts of the ground but if the Chapel becomes the home end I dont think that will be a bad thing if we have a proper end for the home fans who get behind the team.

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Leicester are averaging 19,500. Similar size club, it could be us if things change.

 

Do you see things changing though theres a good chance Lowe and Wilde will still be here when we go down

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Do you think if we stay up that will be the case?

 

Will depend on what the prices are. With people losing their jobs, companies going under, banks being ****s etc people are caring less and less about paying for watching football. If we stay up or go down if tickets remain the same or are more then we will see a huge decrease in sales.

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if they price it right people will go - £15 for an adult, £10 for Students, OAPS and teenagers and £5 for kids

 

and if the team starts winning more people will go

 

its that simple

 

as for the Stadium no one else would want it so thank god we are stuck with it - maybe they should extend the mortgage or simply remortgage it - reduce the annual cost of it

 

the bank will have little option but to say yes - it cant excatly turn us down as its not exactly a saleable asset right now is it!

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Will depend on what the prices are. With people losing their jobs, companies going under, banks being ****s etc people are caring less and less about paying for watching football. If we stay up or go down if tickets remain the same or are more then we will see a huge decrease in sales.
That is about the same as I put.

It will be interesting how football streaming effects the crowds.Today I watched both FA cup games on a feed from the US on my computer, totally legal and at no cost.Saturda afternoon people will be able to watch any PL game and perhaps CCC.Will that impact on atendances as well?

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I seriously hope not. Although if Lowe is still at the helm with jellyfish Wilde, I for one will not be re-newing my season ticket. As a supporter of this club for 30 years, there is only so much I can take & to see these clowns in charge again next season is just too much to bear.

I, like all Saints fans, are desperate to see us stay up, but our club has been run abysmally, especially by the CEO this season. His policy of playing youth team players for the majority of the season has clearly back fired, hence the mess we are still in & employing an completly inept manager for SIX months is beyond a joke. The only way our crowds will average above 10k next season, Championship or not, is if Lowe & his cronies are gone for good. Please stand down now Mr Lowe, before it's too late!!

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Shall we ignore the fact that Birmingham City a team who:

 

1) are second place in the Championship

2) are fresh out the Premier League last season

3) have a larger fanbase than Saints

 

Managed an attendance of 16,735 against one of the bigger teams in the Championship yesterday?

 

They must be protesting against Rupert Lowe as well...

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Shall we ignore the fact that Birmingham City a team who:

 

1) are second place in the Championship

2) are fresh out the Premier League last season

3) have a larger fanbase than Saints

 

Managed an attendance of 16,735 against one of the bigger teams in the Championship yesterday?

 

They must be protesting against Rupert Lowe as well...

 

Er...apparently not...

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=11045

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Shall we ignore the fact that Birmingham City a team who:

 

1) are second place in the Championship

2) are fresh out the Premier League last season

3) have a larger fanbase than Saints

 

Managed an attendance of 16,735 against one of the bigger teams in the Championship yesterday?

 

They must be protesting against Rupert Lowe as well...

 

brums attendances this season are VERY poor, but their fanbase is not really that big. Don't recall them ever getting really good gates, and they are very much the second team in the city.

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Do you think if we stay up that will be the case? If we go down it will be depressingly 10k or below.

If Wotte is successful then I expect the levels to be as they are now.I watched the Arsenal game today and saw all those empty seats in the FA cup qtr finals!! How things have changed.It is hard to judge exactly what will happen next season, a lot would be down the recession league and ticket prices.Add to that who is in control of the club, although the league we are in is the major bit.

 

Arsenal were only 2500 off capacity. The empty seats were because of the rain.

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Look on the bright side - we'll be able to re-open the corners next season....

 

Althought the rest of the ground will probably be closed....!!! ;)

 

Yes, it's like that puzzle of the wine barrels in the cellar, some in each corner and some in the middle of each wall. You have to take barrels out but still make it look as though the numbers along each wall are the same as they were before - by taking them all away from the middle of each wall but putting a few back into the corners!

 

Just wait for next season's attendance to be announced as numbers along each side. (When less is more).

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another cheery thread, thanks for reminding me that we are in trouble, I had forgotten. :)

 

Could go several ways -

 

1. Same board, same protests, relegation - 7,500 dotted about.

 

2. Change at the top, stay up but struggle - 18,000.

 

3. Changes that satisfy the stayaways plus relegation, but a good start and top of the table clashes against Leeds and the like - 23,000.

 

4. Unlikely this one! Change at the top, stay up and launch promotion bid -28,000.

 

5, A dream I had - Change, stay up, ten points clear at Easter plus two domestic cup triumphs - 30,000.

 

 

We are all only guessing, but whatever you personally think of him, it is clear from a fanbase point of view that Rupert is damaged goods and people will not pump more money into his plans.

That change could alter attendances more than the division we end up in.

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brums attendances this season are VERY poor, but their fanbase is not really that big. Don't recall them ever getting really good gates, and they are very much the second team in the city.

 

From the very clear web site http://www.footballgroundguide.com/birmingham_city/

 

 

 

Record & Average Attendance

Record Attendance:

66,844 v Everton

FA Cup 5th Round, February 11th, 1939.

 

Modern All Seated Attendance Record:

29,588 v Arsenal

Premier League, November 22nd, 2003.

Average Attendance:

2007-2008: 26,181 (Premier League)

2006-2007: 22,274 (Championship)

2005-2006: 27,392 (Premier League)

 

So actually this 16k was well down on what they might have expected in a promotion season.

 

K.

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I think you have to take the recession seriously when it comes to attendances.

 

They have cancelled events I was going to because of fears over ticket sales!

 

And Birmingham has been hit hard with all the car factories reducing hours or laying staff off.

I agree but considering Brum is in the countries second biggest city the turnout is poor. I recall conversations with a friend who was a Brum fan when they were in the old 2nd division and we were div 1 and he assuered me they were a sleeping giant...where have we heard that before from other blue fans?
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despite ticket prices being reduced this season a lot of Brum fans are extremely ****ed off at the way they were treated (like cash cows) when the going was good. The board is worth over a Billion quid yet they broke even every season (without hands going in board members pockets) at the expense of fans paying well over the odds for absolute ****e football all season. I might add that nothing has changed in that regard, they have stunk St Andrews up all season and their home results are not a reflection on how they have performed. I think you'll find a lot of undeserved 1-0s, and plenty of last minute goals etc. disguising many abject displays.

 

It seems then that its not only Saints fans that have been treated like `customers' over the last five years and now are telling fat cat owners where they can stick their £3 pie adn £4 prgrammes. Greedy ****ers.

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I think you have to take the recession seriously when it comes to attendances.

 

They have cancelled events I was going to because of fears over ticket sales!

 

And Birmingham has been hit hard with all the car factories reducing hours or laying staff off.

 

 

 

I always thought that a larger than normal percentage of our crowd at SMS was youngsters and the retired - both group of which are not affected as much by the downturn. You'd think that clubs that traditionally have a very large 20-40 year old following would be more susceptical to an economic downturn.

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I always thought that a larger than normal percentage of our crowd at SMS was youngsters and the retired - both group of which are not affected as much by the downturn. You'd think that clubs that traditionally have a very large 20-40 year old following would be more susceptical to an economic downturn.

 

Doesn't matter how old you are, this recession makes everyone think twice about their discretionary spending. Pensioners living off savings have been royally screwed over by the Bank of England as their savings have been depleted horrendously. Kids are probably finding their mum's and dads hard up.

 

I'm not down to my last two bob, but every week I think twice about whether I should really be spending £50 on a trip to the football at the moment... Factor in poor performances and well...

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Doesn't matter how old you are, this recession makes everyone think twice about their discretionary spending. Pensioners living off savings have been royally screwed over by the Bank of England as their savings have been depleted horrendously. Kids are probably finding their mum's and dads hard up.

 

I'm not down to my last two bob, but every week I think twice about whether I should really be spending £50 on a trip to the football at the moment... Factor in poor performances and well...

 

fair point and if no season tickets had been sold at the start if the season I would bet that our recent 13k crowd (it was more like 12k IMO) would have been closer to 7k

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brums attendances this season are VERY poor, but their fanbase is not really that big. Don't recall them ever getting really good gates, and they are very much the second team in the city.

 

Birmingham football clubs...let me see. Aston Villa, doing rather well, West Brom not going quite so well, so two Premiership Clubs. Wolves going quite well with Birmingham, but in the division below and then in the division below again is Walsall. So five clubs in the city to share the local fans, against us as the only club with the Skates of any size down here. I wonder why they have a comparatively smaller average fan attendance?

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