Mr X Posted 8 March, 2009 Share Posted 8 March, 2009 in a 32,000 seater, presuming a lot of season ticket holders will be reluctant to re-new, shocking to think how far weve fallen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amesbury Saint Posted 8 March, 2009 Share Posted 8 March, 2009 might as well close half the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 8 March, 2009 Share Posted 8 March, 2009 Look on the bright side - we'll be able to re-open the corners next season.... Althought the rest of the ground will probably be closed....!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 8 March, 2009 Share Posted 8 March, 2009 Do you think if we stay up that will be the case? If we go down it will be depressingly 10k or below. If Wotte is successful then I expect the levels to be as they are now.I watched the Arsenal game today and saw all those empty seats in the FA cup qtr finals!! How things have changed.It is hard to judge exactly what will happen next season, a lot would be down the recession league and ticket prices.Add to that who is in control of the club, although the league we are in is the major bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 8 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 8 March, 2009 might as well close half the ground. I fear losing the stadium might be a price we have to pay I just cant see how it willl be viable unless like you say closing half the ground but I dont ever want to see that! imagine the effects on team morale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 8 March, 2009 Share Posted 8 March, 2009 Leicester are averaging 19,500. Similar size club, it could be us if things change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 8 March, 2009 Share Posted 8 March, 2009 I fear losing the stadium might be a price we have to pay I just cant see how it willl be viable unless like you say closing half the ground but I dont ever want to see that! imagine the effects on team morale The team we have now will have little comparison to then if we go down.I expect that the club may close large parts of the ground but if the Chapel becomes the home end I dont think that will be a bad thing if we have a proper end for the home fans who get behind the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 8 March, 2009 Share Posted 8 March, 2009 Leicester are averaging 19,500. Similar size club, it could be us if things change. Yup!!!......I agree.........get rid of Lowe, and they will IMVHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 8 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 8 March, 2009 Leicester are averaging 19,500. Similar size club, it could be us if things change. Do you see things changing though theres a good chance Lowe and Wilde will still be here when we go down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken Posted 8 March, 2009 Share Posted 8 March, 2009 Perhaps we shouldn't be too hard on our attendances, Birmingham City yesterday, 2nd in the Championship, 16,735. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 8 March, 2009 Share Posted 8 March, 2009 Do you think if we stay up that will be the case? Will depend on what the prices are. With people losing their jobs, companies going under, banks being ****s etc people are caring less and less about paying for watching football. If we stay up or go down if tickets remain the same or are more then we will see a huge decrease in sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 8 March, 2009 Share Posted 8 March, 2009 £300 for a ST in Div 1 would be about right don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 8 March, 2009 Share Posted 8 March, 2009 Get rid of Lowe and numbers will grow: 2 here if nobody else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 8 March, 2009 Share Posted 8 March, 2009 if they price it right people will go - £15 for an adult, £10 for Students, OAPS and teenagers and £5 for kids and if the team starts winning more people will go its that simple as for the Stadium no one else would want it so thank god we are stuck with it - maybe they should extend the mortgage or simply remortgage it - reduce the annual cost of it the bank will have little option but to say yes - it cant excatly turn us down as its not exactly a saleable asset right now is it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 8 March, 2009 Share Posted 8 March, 2009 plenty of room to stretch out :smt037 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icey Saint Posted 8 March, 2009 Share Posted 8 March, 2009 If there is downturn in ST's I'm going to take 6 for me and Mum, have the club tear out the seats and install a nice comfy sofa for the 2 of us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 8 March, 2009 Share Posted 8 March, 2009 Will depend on what the prices are. With people losing their jobs, companies going under, banks being ****s etc people are caring less and less about paying for watching football. If we stay up or go down if tickets remain the same or are more then we will see a huge decrease in sales.That is about the same as I put. It will be interesting how football streaming effects the crowds.Today I watched both FA cup games on a feed from the US on my computer, totally legal and at no cost.Saturda afternoon people will be able to watch any PL game and perhaps CCC.Will that impact on atendances as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Baz Posted 8 March, 2009 Share Posted 8 March, 2009 I seriously hope not. Although if Lowe is still at the helm with jellyfish Wilde, I for one will not be re-newing my season ticket. As a supporter of this club for 30 years, there is only so much I can take & to see these clowns in charge again next season is just too much to bear. I, like all Saints fans, are desperate to see us stay up, but our club has been run abysmally, especially by the CEO this season. His policy of playing youth team players for the majority of the season has clearly back fired, hence the mess we are still in & employing an completly inept manager for SIX months is beyond a joke. The only way our crowds will average above 10k next season, Championship or not, is if Lowe & his cronies are gone for good. Please stand down now Mr Lowe, before it's too late!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 8 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 8 March, 2009 Man goes to doctors with a problem "after i masturbate I start to sing "Glory, glory Man United" dont worry says the doctor a lot of wayne kers sing that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 8 March, 2009 Share Posted 8 March, 2009 Shall we ignore the fact that Birmingham City a team who: 1) are second place in the Championship 2) are fresh out the Premier League last season 3) have a larger fanbase than Saints Managed an attendance of 16,735 against one of the bigger teams in the Championship yesterday? They must be protesting against Rupert Lowe as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 8 March, 2009 Share Posted 8 March, 2009 Shall we ignore the fact that Birmingham City a team who: 1) are second place in the Championship 2) are fresh out the Premier League last season 3) have a larger fanbase than Saints Managed an attendance of 16,735 against one of the bigger teams in the Championship yesterday? They must be protesting against Rupert Lowe as well... Er...apparently not... http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=11045 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 8 March, 2009 Share Posted 8 March, 2009 Er...apparently not... http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=11045 Isn't it illegal to be talking to yourself:smt017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 8 March, 2009 Share Posted 8 March, 2009 Shall we ignore the fact that Birmingham City a team who: 1) are second place in the Championship 2) are fresh out the Premier League last season 3) have a larger fanbase than Saints Managed an attendance of 16,735 against one of the bigger teams in the Championship yesterday? They must be protesting against Rupert Lowe as well... brums attendances this season are VERY poor, but their fanbase is not really that big. Don't recall them ever getting really good gates, and they are very much the second team in the city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 8 March, 2009 Share Posted 8 March, 2009 Perhaps we shouldn't be too hard on our attendances, Birmingham City yesterday, 2nd in the Championship, 16,735. And the common factor is.... people won't pay to watch Saints,we're not the attraction that we once were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 8 March, 2009 Share Posted 8 March, 2009 they have had bad attendances for their other games http://www.blues.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Fixtures/0,,10412,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 8 March, 2009 Share Posted 8 March, 2009 If this board were shut down attendances would rise. Too many people sit on here on a matchday reading the match thread. If there were no match thread or chatroom, attendances would rise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 8 March, 2009 Share Posted 8 March, 2009 If this board were shut down attendances would rise. Too many people sit on here on a matchday reading the match thread. If there were no match thread or chatroom, attendances would rise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 8 March, 2009 Share Posted 8 March, 2009 Birmingham and Cardiff (both potentially big clubs) get low gates. i think a big factor in this is the hooligans that put off families from going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 8 March, 2009 Share Posted 8 March, 2009 Do you think if we stay up that will be the case? If we go down it will be depressingly 10k or below. If Wotte is successful then I expect the levels to be as they are now.I watched the Arsenal game today and saw all those empty seats in the FA cup qtr finals!! How things have changed.It is hard to judge exactly what will happen next season, a lot would be down the recession league and ticket prices.Add to that who is in control of the club, although the league we are in is the major bit. Arsenal were only 2500 off capacity. The empty seats were because of the rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 8 March, 2009 Share Posted 8 March, 2009 Isn't it illegal to be talking to yourself:smt017 I hope not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 8 March, 2009 Share Posted 8 March, 2009 I hope not... Me too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 8 March, 2009 Share Posted 8 March, 2009 That's gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 8 March, 2009 Share Posted 8 March, 2009 Isn't it illegal to be talking to yourself:smt017 Hang on, let me Ask Jeeves... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 8 March, 2009 Share Posted 8 March, 2009 ...he said 'no it isn't, you ****'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 9 March, 2009 Share Posted 9 March, 2009 Leeds get an attendance of 25k in League 1 - Blackpool are lucky to get 8k in the Champ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 9 March, 2009 Share Posted 9 March, 2009 Isn't it illegal to be talking to yourself:smt017 Only when you answer back!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 9 March, 2009 Share Posted 9 March, 2009 Birmingham and Cardiff (both potentially big clubs) get low gates. i think a big factor in this is the hooligans that put off families from going. Any specific hooligan keeping our attendances low? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 9 March, 2009 Share Posted 9 March, 2009 Arsenal were only 2500 off capacity. The empty seats were because of the rain. Yup, you ruin a book by reading in the rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 9 March, 2009 Share Posted 9 March, 2009 Look on the bright side - we'll be able to re-open the corners next season.... Althought the rest of the ground will probably be closed....!!! Yes, it's like that puzzle of the wine barrels in the cellar, some in each corner and some in the middle of each wall. You have to take barrels out but still make it look as though the numbers along each wall are the same as they were before - by taking them all away from the middle of each wall but putting a few back into the corners! Just wait for next season's attendance to be announced as numbers along each side. (When less is more). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 9 March, 2009 Share Posted 9 March, 2009 Any specific hooligan keeping our attendances low? There are 2 actually, Wilde and Lowe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 9 March, 2009 Share Posted 9 March, 2009 another cheery thread, thanks for reminding me that we are in trouble, I had forgotten. Could go several ways - 1. Same board, same protests, relegation - 7,500 dotted about. 2. Change at the top, stay up but struggle - 18,000. 3. Changes that satisfy the stayaways plus relegation, but a good start and top of the table clashes against Leeds and the like - 23,000. 4. Unlikely this one! Change at the top, stay up and launch promotion bid -28,000. 5, A dream I had - Change, stay up, ten points clear at Easter plus two domestic cup triumphs - 30,000. We are all only guessing, but whatever you personally think of him, it is clear from a fanbase point of view that Rupert is damaged goods and people will not pump more money into his plans. That change could alter attendances more than the division we end up in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 9 March, 2009 Share Posted 9 March, 2009 brums attendances this season are VERY poor, but their fanbase is not really that big. Don't recall them ever getting really good gates, and they are very much the second team in the city. From the very clear web site http://www.footballgroundguide.com/birmingham_city/ Record & Average Attendance Record Attendance: 66,844 v Everton FA Cup 5th Round, February 11th, 1939. Modern All Seated Attendance Record: 29,588 v Arsenal Premier League, November 22nd, 2003. Average Attendance: 2007-2008: 26,181 (Premier League) 2006-2007: 22,274 (Championship) 2005-2006: 27,392 (Premier League) So actually this 16k was well down on what they might have expected in a promotion season. K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 9 March, 2009 Share Posted 9 March, 2009 I think you have to take the recession seriously when it comes to attendances. They have cancelled events I was going to because of fears over ticket sales! And Birmingham has been hit hard with all the car factories reducing hours or laying staff off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 March, 2009 Share Posted 9 March, 2009 I think you have to take the recession seriously when it comes to attendances. They have cancelled events I was going to because of fears over ticket sales! And Birmingham has been hit hard with all the car factories reducing hours or laying staff off.I agree but considering Brum is in the countries second biggest city the turnout is poor. I recall conversations with a friend who was a Brum fan when they were in the old 2nd division and we were div 1 and he assuered me they were a sleeping giant...where have we heard that before from other blue fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 March, 2009 Share Posted 9 March, 2009 despite ticket prices being reduced this season a lot of Brum fans are extremely ****ed off at the way they were treated (like cash cows) when the going was good. The board is worth over a Billion quid yet they broke even every season (without hands going in board members pockets) at the expense of fans paying well over the odds for absolute ****e football all season. I might add that nothing has changed in that regard, they have stunk St Andrews up all season and their home results are not a reflection on how they have performed. I think you'll find a lot of undeserved 1-0s, and plenty of last minute goals etc. disguising many abject displays. It seems then that its not only Saints fans that have been treated like `customers' over the last five years and now are telling fat cat owners where they can stick their £3 pie adn £4 prgrammes. Greedy ****ers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 March, 2009 Share Posted 9 March, 2009 I think you have to take the recession seriously when it comes to attendances. They have cancelled events I was going to because of fears over ticket sales! And Birmingham has been hit hard with all the car factories reducing hours or laying staff off. I always thought that a larger than normal percentage of our crowd at SMS was youngsters and the retired - both group of which are not affected as much by the downturn. You'd think that clubs that traditionally have a very large 20-40 year old following would be more susceptical to an economic downturn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 9 March, 2009 Share Posted 9 March, 2009 I always thought that a larger than normal percentage of our crowd at SMS was youngsters and the retired - both group of which are not affected as much by the downturn. You'd think that clubs that traditionally have a very large 20-40 year old following would be more susceptical to an economic downturn. Doesn't matter how old you are, this recession makes everyone think twice about their discretionary spending. Pensioners living off savings have been royally screwed over by the Bank of England as their savings have been depleted horrendously. Kids are probably finding their mum's and dads hard up. I'm not down to my last two bob, but every week I think twice about whether I should really be spending £50 on a trip to the football at the moment... Factor in poor performances and well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 March, 2009 Share Posted 9 March, 2009 Doesn't matter how old you are, this recession makes everyone think twice about their discretionary spending. Pensioners living off savings have been royally screwed over by the Bank of England as their savings have been depleted horrendously. Kids are probably finding their mum's and dads hard up. I'm not down to my last two bob, but every week I think twice about whether I should really be spending £50 on a trip to the football at the moment... Factor in poor performances and well... fair point and if no season tickets had been sold at the start if the season I would bet that our recent 13k crowd (it was more like 12k IMO) would have been closer to 7k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 9 March, 2009 Share Posted 9 March, 2009 brums attendances this season are VERY poor, but their fanbase is not really that big. Don't recall them ever getting really good gates, and they are very much the second team in the city. Birmingham football clubs...let me see. Aston Villa, doing rather well, West Brom not going quite so well, so two Premiership Clubs. Wolves going quite well with Birmingham, but in the division below and then in the division below again is Walsall. So five clubs in the city to share the local fans, against us as the only club with the Skates of any size down here. I wonder why they have a comparatively smaller average fan attendance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfurdent Posted 10 March, 2009 Share Posted 10 March, 2009 If is just 8 fans then will they get an invite to the Director's box to save on stewards around the ground? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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