Saint_clark Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=11772 As long as he doesn't make silly comments on boardroom matters again, like before r.e. the protest march, then I will be more than happy to see him continue as manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedyfly Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 As was demonstrated last season with Wotte, 'talk is cheap'. He can say all the right things he needs but ultimately he failed to make any improvements throughout his whole involvement last season. Wotte can not continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=11772 As long as he doesn't make silly comments on boardroom matters again, like before r.e. the protest march, then I will be more than happy to see him continue as manager. Are you for real? He didn't improve the team one bit, apart from the honeymoon period at the start, which most managers get, infact if anything we kept getting worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlehead Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 He is sh*t. Look at his record. The Dutch tw*t can f*ck right off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=11772 As long as he doesn't make silly comments on boardroom matters again, like before r.e. the protest march, then I will be more than happy to see him continue as manager. +1. Id be happy for him to stay on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 As a football person and coach I dont think many would have a bad thing to say about him, but is he right for a L1 fight ? - I say this now after last years 'experience' - where it was proven that you need more than the pretty midfield pasing in the rough and tumble of the lower leagues. He has handled all this with dignity and that does him credit, but as manager for next season? I dont know, I guess it depends on alot of things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 Seems we have enough spare cash lying around to pay for Wotte to do a European tour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 Wotte is all hot air, b u l l sh ite and little substance. He got off to a good start by motivating the squad of Jan's with a couple of experienced players. After that it was one promise, pretty talk after another as the team tactics got steadily and steadily worse along with the so called promised fighting spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batterseasaint Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 He seems to be a decent, honourable man who is prepared to work hard and do his best. However, the team capitulated far too many times in crucial games under his watch at the end of last season. Games which we HAD to fight for the club's future, we simply didn't turn up. Ultimately, the responsibility must lie with him. If the most important criteria for the manager's job was to be a decent bloke, then I would be happy for him to continue, but it isn't, so he isn't the man for the job. However, that is not to say that he couldn't go back to his previous job of looking after the youth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 These are things you would expect any decent manager to do. He's "telling the world" to sell himself to any potential new owner and more probably a potential new employee at another club. He will no doubt IMO be thinking that his time is limited so he's "obviously" going to spin himself, so to speak! God luck to him but if he's our first team manager next season, we're doomed!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulSaint Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 Anything less than Tisdale & I'm gonna be dissapointed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 Anything less than Tisdale & I'm gonna be dissapointed? Been saying Tisdale for weeks!! Be very happy if he does turn up, cravate and all!! Hopefully bring Perryman too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 Well at least he's still doing something for his wages since he is still be paid I presume. Maybe he should show his loyalty to the cause and cancel his contract and wait to be called back when/if needed.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spank_182 Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 When's the last time we unearthed a good player on the cheap from abroad? Cant remember any particularly standing out the last few years although Size was pretty good and Saga was good for a while (although he was fairly well known before anyway). Have Saints even had a scouting network for the past 5 years or so? Fair play to him trying to find us some good cheap players, hopefully Liptak is a bit better than we all thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 I like him and want him to stay. Managers are overrated anyway. Even good ones. Only imo of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 He seems to be a decent, honourable man who is prepared to work hard and do his best. However, the team capitulated far too many times in crucial games under his watch at the end of last season. Games which we HAD to fight for the club's future, we simply didn't turn up. Ultimately, the responsibility must lie with him. I'm not sure that's entirely fair. Although it is the job of the manager to get his players motivated and playing well or at least putting the effort in, he'd have had as much luck getting blood from a stone as he would getting good performances from that useless bunch of players. I think he made some good decisions in terms of changing the formation and team selection when he first got the job, but he also made some fairly crap decisions (ie playing Ryan Smith and playing Ryan Smith on the right). Unless there's a good alternative I wouldn't mind him staying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scally Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 I like him and want him to stay. Managers are overrated anyway. Even good ones. Only imo of course. The most important person at a football club is the manager, the biggest mistake Lowe made was not understanding this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 The most important person at a football club is the manager, the biggest mistake Lowe made was not understanding this. They are important, I'm not denying this. But I think it's ridiculous that after losing a few games- ANY club's fans start blaming the manager. The players and the squad are alot more important. Some Arsenal fans now think Wenger is carp.....ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monosaint Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 He is sh*t. Look at his record. The Dutch tw*t can f*ck right off. That's unnecessary and offensive. I am not saying he is great but give him some credit for not doing a runner when that could have been an easy option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreog Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 If by some miracle , there is a new owner, then I'm afraid Wotte will have to go.........any new owner would want a totally fresh start, rightly or wrongly.......though I do admire Wotte's level of commitment to the task at present Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketphilly Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 It's been ages since we've had a new manager, Wotte out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 I like him, i also like that he is putting in some effort behind the scenes. I personally believe if he was solely in charge from the beginning then we would still be in the CCC. That being said, a fresh start with a manager for the future is needed. But i would like to see Wotte perhaps move into the academy or something ??? He could do well in future, he may wish to stay on and learn the trade a bit more ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 They are important, I'm not denying this. But I think it's ridiculous that after losing a few games- ANY club's fans start blaming the manager. The players and the squad are alot more important. Some Arsenal fans now think Wenger is carp.....ffs. Exactly, Wotte could/should have done a better job but he was manager for less than half the season. Some (most) of our players were **** for the whole season, that was the real problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Mikey Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 As a football person and coach I dont think many would have a bad thing to say about him' date=' but is he right for a L1 fight ? - I say this now after last years 'experience' - where it was proven that you need more than the pretty midfield pasing in the rough and tumble of the lower leagues. He has handled all this with dignity and that does him credit, but as manager for next season? I dont know, I guess it depends on alot of things...[/quote'] Please explain to me how Swansea sailed through Lge 1, as have Peterborough and MK Dons did alright with a fluid passing game. We don't have to resort to Branfoot tactics now we're in Lge 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 The only thing going for Wotte is that no other club is likely to want to take him off our hands. Does that tell you something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 All talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 The players and the squad are down to the manager in the long term. Long term manager?? There's an idea!! They're having a go at wenger because it's his squad, no-one elses, and he doesn't like to buy established players. Methinks the Arse fans are just being impatient. Wenger is working on a new cycle of young players to come through.....and he has proved it works before. If the squad is crap, a manager can only try and get the best out of them and utilise the money he has available. Wotte had no money available, but didn't get the most out of his (albeit very limited) squad. He played the style of football 99% of fans wanted at the time but the players were just too s**t to do it properly. I know it's guess work but I reckon if Wotte was in charge for the whole season, we would have been more than safe. And on to good managers being overrated- does anyone honestly reckon that if Mourinho/Feguson etc would easily do a good job in a lower league team with no money? ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=11772 As long as he doesn't make silly comments on boardroom matters again, like before r.e. the protest march, then I will be more than happy to see him continue as manager. As a fellow Weymouthian I tend to agree with a lot you say but to be honest I think you are way off with this one. It is a good few soundbites I'll grant you, he is saying the right things BUT he said a lot of the right things before matches last season and when push came to shove we were **** and he was left tactically sadly lacking. No problem with him going back to his academy job as he hinted at when the season ended, but manager to get us out of League 1 (in the right direction) ? Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 He's a good guy with a lot of valuable experience and contacts we arent going to find in any other manager pepared to work in L1. I'm not sure he is necessarily the right man for the first team, jury is still out IMO, but I think we should hang on to him in some form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 We need to ask ourselves the question as to whether another change is what is needed right now. We look like we will be in the same position as last year with another wasted pre season if a new manager is appointed too late in the day, which looks like it will be the case the way things are taking there time. The one thing this club needs more than anything is a period of stability. Regardless of the opinion people have of him the factor that cost us so much last year was shipping out our three most experience strikers on loan. We were pretty much toothless which was why we struggled so much. Another change for changes sake is not what is needed. If you look at the leagues it is pretty clear apart from one or two exceptions that stability = success. I for one would not be too miffed if he stayed - he at least looked like he had a bit of passion and did seam to get the team heading in the right direction at first. The impact of putting the club into admin with a few games to go and the 10 point penalty are all things which would have made his job harder. Whatever the turn of events I would like to see him have a role at the club as this will aid the stability we desperately need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 It's just the lazy unresearched myth that as you go down the leagues you have to play less and less football and just kick your way through games. Some very good passing sides have come up from these leagues and, surprise surprise, they're the ones that actually do better when promoted, rather than plummetting straight back down. Doncaster and Swansea were great examples, and maybe Peterborough and the Dons will be the same. If we switch to pure brute force as some want, we'll be a mid-table or worse league 1 team for many years. Almost correct. CCC is actually a league in which you will gain more with a cavalier kick the ball upfront approach then the rest, i would hazard a guess that unless the promoted teams change their approach slightly to suit they will come back down. Lg 1 can be won with a passing game. As for CCC, you need to be miles above the rest to play your way through, unfortunately you need another transition to stay in the prem. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 I think it just goes to show how much sh*t we've had at the club in recent years that many are impressed with Wotte simply for hanging around and saying the right things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNT Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=11772 As long as he doesn't make silly comments on boardroom matters again, like before r.e. the protest march, then I will be more than happy to see him continue as manager. Hot air and out of his depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 Hot air and out of his depth. Clearly any man who has played in the Dutch premier league, been technical director of Feyenoord and managed the Dutch national U21 team would be out of his depth in L1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 For me it depends how far our stock has actually fallen once this situation is over. If we are in a position to do better than Wotte (and I hope we will be) then we should get riod ASAP. In my opinion it's not a managerial change as he was never a manager to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=11772 As long as he doesn't make silly comments on boardroom matters again, like before r.e. the protest march, then I will be more than happy to see him continue as manager. His comments about the fans were spot on. Those comments were the best he has made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulip Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 new man needed,bye bye wotte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 He needs replacing as he's out of his depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=11772 As long as he doesn't make silly comments on boardroom matters again, like before r.e. the protest march, then I will be more than happy to see him continue as manager. Agreed but does not that just show he is human. Haven't we all let off on this forum over the last year and then regretted what we said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Richard of Woolston Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 I would be happy for him to stay. It would have been interesting to see how he would have done if he had been able to have the players available to Pearson, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 He's a good guy with a lot of valuable experience and contacts we arent going to find in any other manager pepared to work in L1. I'm not sure he is necessarily the right man for the first team, jury is still out IMO, but I think we should hang on to him in some form. Would these be the contacts that brought in Gasmi, Pulis, Forecast, Robertson, Smith and Peckhart by any chance ?? If so, I'll take my chances on somebody new ! ps. I realise that he would not have made these signings on his own but he was responsible for the development of young players at the time ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 I would be happy for him to stay. It would have been interesting to see how he would have done if he had been able to have the players available to Pearson, for example. Personally, I would have liked to have seen what Pearson would have done with the players available to Wotte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 I would be happy for him to stay. It would have been interesting to see how he would have done if he had been able to have the players available to Pearson, for example. Suprised you say that Rich. His tactics particularly using the diamond formation was a big mistake but he does not know any other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 Need more width! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 Actions speak louder than words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 Suprised you say that Rich. His tactics particularly using the diamond formation was a big mistake but he does not know any other way. Sorry WS but I have to disagree with you, Wotte can't leave, otherwise it would have been a waste of time in doing this to myself | | | | | | | | | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 How bad does he have to be before people want him out? Part of the "duo" during Jans reign, average his points out over the season and we'd have still have gone down, some awful performances when it really mattered, and people still want him? On what basis, 3 wins in a row when he first took over, and a few rallying cries on the O/S? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 How bad does he have to be before people want him out? Part of the "duo" during Jans reign, average his points out over the season and we'd have still have gone down, some awful performances when it really mattered, and people still want him? On what basis, 3 wins in a row when he first took over, and a few rallying cries on the O/S? There were plenty of those before he was in charge. I don't think he did a good job but I think the real problem was that our players were ****ing useless, with few exceptions. The fact that Size was voted 2nd best player of the season says it all really, considering he was only there for half of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFKA South Woodford Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 he is saying the right things BUT he said a lot of the right things before matches last season and when push came to shove we were **** I think this can be explained by Kelvins comments after the Wednesday debacle, where he said that they had prepared really well, but the team just didn't turn up. He sounded pretty pi*sed off with his outfield players after the game. So I would suggest that Wotte, was doing things right, but the players didn't have the fight or skill level in them, to do the job. The manager is responsible for and can do all the proper preparation but the application comes down to the players. Lets face it, he didn't have much in reserve to replace any underperforming players with, and if he'd have dropped Saga for either Bradley or Paterson, I can imagine the outcry there would of been from our fans. I think the key reason we didn't quite pull it off, was Gillets injury against QPR, it mean't he was less effective in that game which we could of won and then missed the important games after that one. With him fully fit and in the team I think we would of won at least 2 more games and drawn a couple more as well. Like others I wouldn't mind if he was still the manager next season, but also wouldn't mind if he was replaced with someone who has more knowledge of the english leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 22 May, 2009 Share Posted 22 May, 2009 Sorry WS but I have to disagree with you, Wotte can't leave, otherwise it would have been a waste of time in doing this to myself lol. But where's the man-boobs MB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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