Todays Echo

[Master Bates]

SLH is currently being delisted with a new holding company being set up which will be privately owned.

 

Tony Lynam to be on the board of directors.

 

Tony Lynam & MLT will also be chatting with Mark Wotte today about the future plans.

[StuRomseySaint]

F*ck, let's hope Matt and Lynam are simply telling Wotte that he will be running the Academy next year at the very most.

 

We need a proven English manager, please don't give this clown any more time.

 

We are no longer in a position to have to go for the cheapest option. A decent manager is the single most important thing we need next season.

[SuperSAINT]

A decent manager is the single most important thing we need next season.

 

Agreed 100%. Look at any club owner in the prem. The appointment of a quality manager makes all the difference. (See Gibson/Ashley)

[derry]

Quality doesn't have to be expensive, eg. Owen Coyle, Paul Tisdale, Nigel Atkins, proven and motivators.

[eelpie]

Quality doesn't have to be expensive, eg. Owen Coyle, Paul Tisdale, Nigel Atkins, proven and motivators.

 

Ted Bates originally became manager of Saints with no previous experience, just a reputation as someone who knew his football, was widely respected and had positive person to person skills.

[Badger]

I can't see that TL and MLT will be in a position to make management changes just yet.

[SET]

Boothroyd, Boothroyd, Boothroyd

 

 

:smt117

[bungle]

Boothroyd, Boothroyd, Boothroyd

 

 

:smt117

 

Urgh. HOOOOOOF!

[david in sweden]

F*ck, let's hope Matt and Lynam are simply telling Wotte that he will be running the Academy next year at the very most.

 

We need a proven English manager, please don't give this clown any more time.

 

We are no longer in a position to have to go for the cheapest option. A decent manager is the single most important thing we need next season.

 

 

Agree with most of that Stu,

Managing a first team is not the same as youth sides. A number of very successful coaches have had their reputations trashed because they moved up and were out of their depth. examples ; Dave Merrington (youth / reserve trainer (1984-1995) had THE most successful Saints youth set-up EVER; Shearer, MLT,the Wallaces, Moran, etc, ... one season as a struggling Prem. manager blotted the memory.

Similar story for respected trainers who took the wrong chances; Stuart Gray and Steve Wigley. ( A man has to know his limitations, eh Clint ?)

 

MW should stay on with the youngsters, after all he's been forced to play most of them this last season. A new face will bring in some golden oldies to beef up the midfield and front line and give the younger players time to develop (as it should be ).

[Big Ron fan]

Boothroyd, Boothroyd, Boothroyd

 

 

:smt117

 

God no!

[DT]

Boothroyd, Boothroyd, Boothroyd

 

 

:smt117

no thanks, no thanks, no thanks.

Strachan's return would do me (I wish) or Keegan (double I wish). Realistically, Paul Simpson.

[saintjay77]

Id be happy for Wotte to continue for this season with a view to makes changes if needed for next season. I think our ambition this season should be to stabalise and count ourselves lucky if we are up near play offs by the end of the season.

 

That said I would welcome WGS back any day of the week.

 

balls to this english manager cak too. There has hardly been a decent english manager for years so I dont see why they are so special.

[NickG]

F*ck, let's hope Matt and Lynam are simply telling Wotte that he will be running the Academy next year at the very most.

 

We need a proven English manager, please don't give this clown any more time.

 

We are no longer in a position to have to go for the cheapest option. A decent manager is the single most important thing we need next season.

 

We need a good manager. It does not matter if he is English, at all.

[Wade Garrett]

Wotte is very short on tactical nous. I don't think he's half as good as he thinks he is. I would get rid of every facet of the disastrous Dutch experiment, including his coach.

[kpturner]

I am a bit concerned about Tony Lynam being involved in the ongoing decision making process at SFC. I (naively) assumed that once the deal was done he would collect his commission and go back to the day job. My concern is based solely on the fact that he has (apparently) no previous experience of running a football club - but then I gather the money man has none either. Maybe he is purely a conduit between MLT, the club and the man with the cash rather than somebody who will make decisions (like hiring and firing for example).

[ottery st mary]

I assumed that MLT would be A Director of Football/ Manager with a proper football coach and team running the sides throughout the club. No Wotte in my view.

Lynam would be as suggested the conduit between Footbal boss MLT and owner with various others in the right chairs...

[DT]

I'm kind of hoping that MLT isn't tempted to get his old mate Francis Benali in on the coaching side, personally.

[Victor]

I am a bit concerned about Tony Lynam being involved in the ongoing decision making process at SFC. I (naively) assumed that once the deal was done he would collect his commission and go back to the day job. My concern is based solely on the fact that he has (apparently) no previous experience of running a football club - but then I gather the money man has none either. Maybe he is purely a conduit between MLT, the club and the man with the cash rather than somebody who will make decisions (like hiring and firing for example).

 

Don't panic. The job of the board is to put the right people in position to get the fotball right. Provided he goes about about it the right way and takes good advice he doesn't need to know about football.

 

And they are not in a position to do anything about a manager yet, but keeping the current one informed about their plans, should their takeover be successful, is common courtesy. Seeking his views is also part of what they should be doing. This, to me, is a good sign. Mark Wotte also needs to know where he stands.

[tpbury]

Every seems to be putting MLT in an operational role. I don't want him anywhere near the administration / decision making process. He is a ex genius footballer, TV pundit and some time owner of not massively succcessful bars - ie no experience in football management.

 

Is he really going to be involved in the decision making process?

[eelpie]

Don't panic. The job of the board is to put the right people in position to get the fotball right. Provided he goes about about it the right way and takes good advice he doesn't need to know about football.

 

And they are not in a position to do anything about a manager yet, but keeping the current one informed about their plans, should their takeover be successful, is common courtesy. Seeking his views is also part of what they should be doing. This, to me, is a good sign. Mark Wotte also needs to know where he stands.

 

And in fairness to Mark Wotte, although he would not be my choice of manager, he has been the only one in the office, so to speak, since administration began, and has kept the players informed about the situation. He may well have averted departures of some of the better players that we still have.

[Rocker268]

I think it will be good to have Matt on the board as whoever else is involved can then use his football knowledge and contacts, I also think Lynam will be there to act as a connection to the owner and the board, he is the one who has brought everyone together after all. There may then be another one or two people on the board, who may take the role as chairman or advisors, we shall have to wait and see but I personnaly can't wait and begin looking forward to next season

[kpturner]

Every seems to be putting MLT in an operational role. I don't want him anywhere near the administration / decision making process. He is a ex genius footballer, TV pundit and some time owner of not massively succcessful bars - ie no experience in football management.

 

Is he really going to be involved in the decision making process?

Celebration Plaza - destined for disaster with a sh1te name like that :-) I actually joined, but only went once.

[JustMike]

Every seems to be putting MLT in an operational role. I don't want him anywhere near the administration / decision making process. He is a ex genius footballer, TV pundit and some time owner of not massively succcessful bars - ie no experience in football management.

 

Is he really going to be involved in the decision making process?

 

but still would do a better job than Lowe et al

[once_bitterne]

We are no longer in a position to have to go for the cheapest option.

 

How on earth do you know that?! All we do know is there is a person or persons who, after much to-ing and fro-ing have finally managed to cobble together the 500k needed to go into exclusivity with the administrators. It's amazing, many fans who were totally duped by Wilde are now more than happy to accept the hundreds of millions speil contained in the very Wilde-esque letter from Pinnacle.

 

You really shouldn't be surprised when Surman, Schniederlein, Lalanna, McG and Dyer are all flogged in the window.

[itchen]

Id be happy for Wotte to continue for this season with a view to makes changes if needed for next season. I think our ambition this season should be to stabalise and count ourselves lucky if we are up near play offs by the end of the season.

 

That said I would welcome WGS back any day of the week.

 

balls to this english manager cak too. There has hardly been a decent english manager for years so I dont see why they are so special.

 

Plus 1.

[SaintRichmond]

Urgh. HOOOOOOF!

 

 

And, of course, you need 11 proven Football Artiste's to get out of Div 1

 

 

As needs must ......If we play pretty pretty stuff again, we will get nowhere .... ( only downwards of course )

 

 

Div 1 is NOT the CCC, in the same way that the CCC is NOT the Prem

[SW11_Saint]

Boothroyd, Boothroyd, Boothroyd

 

 

:smt117

I think purist Matt has more sense than that...! Well, I hope he does!

[Gingeletiss]

We need a good manager. It does not matter if he is English, at all.

 

 

I have said this before...............Ivan Golac!!! ideal IMHO.

[SW11_Saint]

Every seems to be putting MLT in an operational role. I don't want him anywhere near the administration / decision making process. He is a ex genius footballer, TV pundit and some time owner of not massively succcessful bars - ie no experience in football management.

 

Is he really going to be involved in the decision making process?

By the sounds of what TL was saying he will be - and good luck to him. I suspect he'll be in a DoF role, and say what you want Matt does know the game, and does have significant contacts within it, which can only be a good thing. Issue is whether he and TL could manage some of the bigger ego's - Ince, Strachan etc. (imo we have zero hope of attracting WGS anyway).

 

Regardless, I'm delighted to have him playing a part and will support whatever decisions they make. That said, I will be disappointed if they leave Wotte in situ - he is not the man for the job in my view, and played a large part in last seasons disastrous 'experiement'.

[Frank's cousin]

By the sounds of what TL was saying he will be - and good luck to him. I suspect he'll be in a DoF role, and say what you want Matt does know the game, and does have significant contacts within it, which can only be a good thing. Issue is whether he and TL could manage some of the bigger ego's - Ince, Strachan etc. (imo we have zero hope of attracting WGS anyway).

 

Regardless, I'm delighted to have him playing a part and will support whatever decisions they make. That said, I will be disappointed if they leave Wotte in situ - he is not the man for the job in my view, and played a large part in last seasons disastrous 'experiement'.

 

Would prefer Matty as a board member giving teh benefit of his footballing advice rather than a specific DoF - why? Well I like the continental system of DoF + Coach, but as countless fans have piointed out on here 'It does not work with a Britsh manager' who wants to be the boss etc.... So Mattycomming in as a DoF is going tomean we wont be as attractive to certain managers.

[NickG]

And, of course, you need 11 proven Football Artiste's to get out of Div 1

 

 

As needs must ......If we play pretty pretty stuff again, we will get nowhere .... ( only downwards of course )

 

 

Div 1 is NOT the CCC, in the same way that the CCC is NOT the Prem

 

Swansea

[Saint Since '51]

We need...

MLT for links with fans - nothing else; anyone who thinks he can run a football club or is remotely interested in or suited to in coaching / management just hasn't been paying attention for the past 5 years

TL for links with money man - nothing else; the man can't even set up a web site or write a coherent letter.

I hope to hell that the money man has the sense to see that we need a seriously talented chief executive to run the club - it's a business - and an experienced, well connected (in L1 /CCC - not Sky TV) and well qualified coach to run the team.

[SOTONS EAST SIDE]

We need...

MLT for links with fans - nothing else; anyone who thinks he can run a football club or is remotely interested in or suited to in coaching / management just hasn't been paying attention for the past 5 years

TL for links with money man - nothing else; the man can't even set up a web site or write a coherent letter.

I hope to hell that the money man has the sense to see that we need a seriously talented chief executive to run the club - it's a business - and an experienced, well connected (in L1 /CCC - not Sky TV) and well qualified coach to run the team.

Thats a bit disingenuous to TL, he had enough nous to get a deal done.So i find your words a bit sad really!

Edited 1 June, 2009 by SOTONS EAST SIDE

[JonnyLove]

SLH is currently being delisted with a new holding company being set up which will be privately owned.

 

This is what i don't get. SLH cannot be d-listed yet as an offer for the club has not been made and accepted. (Basically all they have done is pay £500k to look at the full accounts). The Echo has basically taken the letter that was written on here the other day and twist it to sell papers. Much in the same way they are trying to do with a picture of Rod Stewert. Really that paper is the worst

[NickG]

no they have finished looking at accounts, made offer, agreed price - this period is to sort out legalities

[NickG]

This is what i don't get. SLH cannot be d-listed yet as an offer for the club has not been made and accepted. (Basically all they have done is pay £500k to look at the full accounts). The Echo has basically taken the letter that was written on here the other day and twist it to sell papers. Much in the same way they are trying to do with a picture of Rod Stewert. Really that paper is the worst

 

and I understand TL wrote to echo and other media, and they published it

[wild-saint]

no they have finished looking at accounts, made offer, agreed price - this period is to sort out legalities

 

Not true, A perid of exclusivity and the accompanying deposit is to allow the preferred bidder to have full unlimited access to all financial details of the business. They will use this time to get their teams of accountants and financial experts in to go through the books with a fine toothcomb and will then of all is acceptable sort out all of the T&Cs of purchasing the company.

 

The reason the deposit and an exclusivity period is because it is typically an expensive task for the bidder.

[Mister Neil]

Not true, A perid of exclusivity and the accompanying deposit is to allow the preferred bidder to have full unlimited access to all financial details of the business. They will use this time to get their teams of accountants and financial experts in to go through the books with a fine toothcomb and will then of all is acceptable sort out all of the T&Cs of purchasing the company.

 

The reason the deposit and an exclusivity period is because it is typically an expensive task for the bidder.

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4408515.Five_year_plan_for_Saints_to_get_back_to_the_Premier_League/?ref=rss

 

Paragraph 12

 

"All of the due diligence has actually been completed. The extra period is purely for the legal aspects and clearly there’s football matters that need to be taken care of as well."

 

One of you is wrong and it could be you!

[Rocker268]

I think its a bit of both, during the period of exclusivity they can have a final look in detail at the books, but they also sort out the legal process to have the deal go through, assuming there is nothing hidden in the books that has been hidden from them, but I dont think there is as their offer has been accepted by all the creidtors

[NickG]

Not true, A perid of exclusivity and the accompanying deposit is to allow the preferred bidder to have full unlimited access to all financial details of the business. They will use this time to get their teams of accountants and financial experts in to go through the books with a fine toothcomb and will then of all is acceptable sort out all of the T&Cs of purchasing the company.

 

The reason the deposit and an exclusivity period is because it is typically an expensive task for the bidder.

 

they have stated this is complete, I believe you are mistaken

[NickG]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4408515.Five_year_plan_for_Saints_to_get_back_to_the_Premier_League/?ref=rss

 

Paragraph 12

 

"All of the due diligence has actually been completed. The extra period is purely for the legal aspects and clearly there’s football matters that need to be taken care of as well."

 

One of you is wrong and it could be you!

 

thanks!

[Frank's cousin]

Its should also give them time to look in detail at player contracts and thus workout what the options they have short and medium term to reduce the cost base to one that is sustainable given thier likely budget - Its also why they will be speaking with Wotte about players to keep/get rid versus the difficulty of shipping some out and keeping others - They wont be talking to Wotte about his role as they are not yet his employers nut sus him out on a few things etc.

 

There is still a long way to go but positive - the key will be when they report back to the investor and say .... 'we are going to need 3 mil a yera from you to break even due to teh following contracts etc...' and what response he gives to that...

 

Did not see the Echo quote...but it is an 'echo' quote...

[eelpie]

Its should also give them time to look in detail at player contracts and thus workout what the options they have short and medium term to reduce the cost base to one that is sustainable given thier likely budget - Its also why they will be speaking with Wotte about players to keep/get rid versus the difficulty of shipping some out and keeping others - They wont be talking to Wotte about his role as they are not yet his employers nut sus him out on a few things etc.

 

There is still a long way to go but positive - the key will be when they report back to the investor and say .... 'we are going to need 3 mil a yera from you to break even due to teh following contracts etc...' and what response he gives to that...

 

Did not see the Echo quote...but it is an 'echo' quote...

 

It is worrying if we are now having to pay astronomical wages of Skacel, Rasiak, Saga and others during the summer months if we are not going to be able to use their services next season in League 1.

[Pancake]

 

div 1 is not the ccc, in the same way that the ccc is not the prem

 

league one ffs.

[saint1977]

It is worrying if we are now having to pay astronomical wages of Skacel, Rasiak, Saga and others during the summer months if we are not going to be able to use their services next season in League 1.

 

Skacel is already gone, agreed to take a year off his contract last summer. Saga I read a while ago is off to Legia Warsaw I believe but Rasiak is the highest earner and whilst I think we'll get a taker, it'll be one of the desperate parachute or relegated clubs the day before season k.o

[Scummer]

league one ffs.

 

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Naughty Pancake.

[SaintRichmond]

league one ffs.

 

 

Splitting hairs aren't we ???

 

 

Put it another way .... A Ferrai Sports would not get far in the Sahara desert now would it

 

 

YOU HAVE TO ADAPT FFS

[ooohTerryHurlock]

F*ck, let's hope Matt and Lynam are simply telling Wotte that he will be running the Academy next year at the very most.

 

We need a proven English manager, please don't give this clown any more time.

 

We are no longer in a position to have to go for the cheapest option. A decent manager is the single most important thing we need next season.

 

I thjink this would be ok - I don't htink we would should get rid of wotte as we need stability and that starts at a given point of time.

[eelpie]

Skacel is already gone, agreed to take a year off his contract last summer. Saga I read a while ago is off to Legia Warsaw I believe but Rasiak is the highest earner and whilst I think we'll get a taker, it'll be one of the desperate parachute or relegated clubs the day before season k.o

 

So Rasiak is on a nice wack at least until then. He has already turned down Watford's offer as being too derisory.

[bungle]

And, of course, you need 11 proven Football Artiste's to get out of Div 1

 

 

As needs must ......If we play pretty pretty stuff again, we will get nowhere .... ( only downwards of course )

 

 

Div 1 is NOT the CCC, in the same way that the CCC is NOT the Prem

 

Yup, all that HOOOOOOFBALL Swansea and Peterbough (among others) have used to get out of League One recently paid off. Oh, wait. They pass the ball on the deck you say? Never mind, back to the drawing board with you.