CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 20 October, 2009 Share Posted 20 October, 2009 I see someone from 'another place' reckons Graeme Murty will struggle to displace Lloyd James from the Right Back position if/when he regains his fitness . http://www.clubfanzine.com/southampton/v2.showNews.php?id=26636 I think a fit Murty is a obvious first choice for that place but what do you think ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doughnutman Posted 20 October, 2009 Share Posted 20 October, 2009 didnt LJ make it into the league one team of the week as well for this week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 20 October, 2009 Share Posted 20 October, 2009 Murty is a first choice for that place but nobody should be entitled to a position, they should have to work for it. I know his injury has been unfortunate but I reckon he will need to prove himself in training before he can come back to the team. I was impressed with him at the Cheltenham pre-season friendly, being so close to pitch I could hear him, he was very vocal and commanding at the back, he is a good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 20 October, 2009 Share Posted 20 October, 2009 It'll be tough for Murts to get back in, although i still don't think James is 100% assured at RB... He does seem to get better with a run of games though, after slow iffy starts. (like the start of last season) If there is one thing he offers that not many others do...it's his crossing and corner's, which are pin point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 20 October, 2009 Share Posted 20 October, 2009 After listening to Murty in the Channon Club before the Gillingham game, I hope he doesn't simply walk back into the team. He was so arrogant and big headed it was embarrassing. He even sat down on the stage while Jake Thompson was speaking. I was very disappointed with his lack of character (off the pitch). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 20 October, 2009 Share Posted 20 October, 2009 Murty at right back and James playing Wottons role. Need Lloyd James in there for his setpiece delivery, far more suited to a midfield place and Murty will give the defence a bit more experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Monkey Posted 20 October, 2009 Share Posted 20 October, 2009 Murty at right back and James playing Wottons role. Need Lloyd James in there for his setpiece delivery, far more suited to a midfield place and Murty will give the defence a bit more experience. Shut up Andy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 20 October, 2009 Share Posted 20 October, 2009 Was disappointed with James on Saturday personally. He always crossed from way too deep and lacked pace and height. A bit 'Jermaine Wright' really. He was also very pedestrian in the build up to Oldham's goal. It's a shame because I think he was last season's most improved player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 20 October, 2009 Share Posted 20 October, 2009 I would have thought the more James played the better he would get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 20 October, 2009 Share Posted 20 October, 2009 Was disappointed with James on Saturday personally. He always crossed from way too deep and lacked pace and height. A bit 'Jermaine Wright' really. He was also very pedestrian in the build up to Oldham's goal. It's a shame because I think he was last season's most improved player. I've just watched the replay of Oldham's goal, the wide player strolled past him, he really is slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBenali Posted 20 October, 2009 Share Posted 20 October, 2009 I've just watched the replay of Oldham's goal, the wide player strolled past him, he really is slow. Although you're quite right, if comparing the two then Murty isn't exactly known for his pace either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 20 October, 2009 Share Posted 20 October, 2009 Nah! James is better ar right midfield as a winger. Can't defend to save his life just like old Gareth. Incidentally why don't we get Gareth and Drew back now that we have some dosh; by all accounts they both loved it here and didn't want to leave. Neither is getting any football so why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 20 October, 2009 Share Posted 20 October, 2009 Nah! James is better ar right midfield as a winger. You're having a laugh! He's got no pace! Never gets to the byline - he is definitely not a right winger!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 20 October, 2009 Share Posted 20 October, 2009 I see someone from 'another place' reckons Graeme Murty will struggle to displace Lloyd James from the Right Back position if/when he regains his fitness . http://www.clubfanzine.com/southampton/v2.showNews.php?id=26636 I think a fit Murty is a obvious first choice for that place but what do you think ? I'd play Murty every day of the week. As for Wotton & the article, complete pile of poo! Wotton did ok against Gillingham but they hardly set the world alight & Wotton wasn't troubled much, despite even me thinking he had a better game. It may be the poor opposition flattered him. I'm not taking away that he's done better since but I don't think you can attribute much of our success to his floaty, mi**** passes & neck high tackles! Either way, we need a recognised full back to compete/learn from Murty & a decent holding/defensive midfielder. I can't help but ponder how good Safri would be in our current squad, sat back, slotting passes forward & wide, marshalling the middle of the park to great effect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 October, 2009 Share Posted 20 October, 2009 Nah! James is better ar right midfield as a winger. Can't defend to save his life just like old Gareth. Incidentally why don't we get Gareth and Drew back now that we have some dosh; by all accounts they both loved it here and didn't want to leave. Neither is getting any football so why not? cos they wouldn't get into the winning team;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 20 October, 2009 Share Posted 20 October, 2009 James is turning into one of those 'love to hate' players on here - a la Wright, Telfer, and Delap (oddly enough all central midfielders asked to play at right back). Personally I rate him and, although yes he has no pace and is a touch naive defensively, I think he's an important squad player. One of those players who don't necessarily do anything notable but the team's better with him in. Murty needs to displace him on merit, not just because he's Murty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 20 October, 2009 Share Posted 20 October, 2009 Keep playing the way they are playing and i couldn't give a monkies who they put in there. I am not a Wotten fan but he has done well in the past few games. No need to change anything. James has been good thus far in my book. He has been when Morgan has not been performing the creative spark with his crossing and passing. It is a pity he cannot shoot, but then again neither can Morgan. Murty did very well for us, he is a quality player in the games he has played. Seeing him race up and down that flank those first few games was a joy to behold. But we have a team now that has depth, for the first time in years. When one player fooks up another is there to take his place. If James starts to fade then Murty should play. But he hasen't yet, he has been very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 20 October, 2009 Share Posted 20 October, 2009 James' delivery from set pieces is a great attacking option for us. Rememebr those Lallana corners...!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 20 October, 2009 Share Posted 20 October, 2009 Although you're quite right, if comparing the two then Murty isn't exactly known for his pace either! For a thirty-odd year old fat bloke, I still reckon Murty is quicker (and a much better player) than James. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 20 October, 2009 Share Posted 20 October, 2009 For a thirty-odd year old fat bloke, I still reckon Murty is quicker (and a much better player) than James. Although, results with James in the team versus Murty... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 20 October, 2009 Share Posted 20 October, 2009 And the last 3 league game results have been what? Yep wins. We've had years of rotations and tinkering. Even IF Murty was fit in my book he keeps his place unless he has an absolute stinker or we lose form and stop winning. How do we improve on winning every week? we can't, we can only mess it up... Even when he gets physically fit, it will take Murty 3 or 4 games to become truly MATCH fit, a minor matter which previous incumbents of the merry-go-round ignored for the past few years. Murty WILL get his chance, until then the THREAT of him being ready is enough, and something the first team haven't had for many years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 20 October, 2009 Share Posted 20 October, 2009 And the last 3 league game results have been what? Yep wins. We've had years of rotations and tinkering. Even IF Murty was fit in my book he keeps his place unless he has an absolute stinker or we lose form and stop winning. How do we improve on winning every week? we can't, we can only mess it up... Even when he gets physically fit, it will take Murty 3 or 4 games to become truly MATCH fit, a minor matter which previous incumbents of the merry-go-round ignored for the past few years. Murty WILL get his chance, until then the THREAT of him being ready is enough, and something the first team haven't had for many years Totaly agree, Phil. I come from that school that says you don't change a winning team!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 20 October, 2009 Share Posted 20 October, 2009 Although, results with James in the team versus Murty... Er... James has played in every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 20 October, 2009 Share Posted 20 October, 2009 Er... James has played in every game. Not at right back though, that was my point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 20 October, 2009 Share Posted 20 October, 2009 Not at right back though, that was my point! Murty didn't have the luxury of the Jaidi and Trotman partnership though, did he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 20 October, 2009 Share Posted 20 October, 2009 Murty didn't have the luxury of the Jaidi and Trotman partnership though, did he? Good point, very good point. However, when I have watched us concede, all the goals have come down the left or the middle, although I didn't see Saturday's game. I still don't see the value in changing a winning team. Especially not one that has scored 10 goals to concediung 3... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 20 October, 2009 Share Posted 20 October, 2009 I wonder why that is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint dyer Posted 20 October, 2009 Share Posted 20 October, 2009 i would be interested to see how many assists lloyd james has got for us since he has been in the 1st team. i think it is quite a few!! anyone know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 20 October, 2009 Share Posted 20 October, 2009 i would be interested to see how many assists lloyd james has got for us since he has been in the 1st team. i think it is quite a few!! anyone know? According to the FL stats this season, 1 in the league and 1 in the Carling Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 20 October, 2009 Share Posted 20 October, 2009 After listening to Murty in the Channon Club before the Gillingham game, I hope he doesn't simply walk back into the team. He was so arrogant and big headed it was embarrassing. He even sat down on the stage while Jake Thompson was speaking. I was very disappointed with his lack of character (off the pitch). I am very surprised (and disappointed) to hear of this mainly because in the past I have only heard that he is a great ambassador for the game ! He is always first up for hospital visits etc. and appears to be extremely approachable, articulate and pleasant ! I have friends from Reading who hold him in very high esteem because of his character and even in his short time here there have been very positive reports about his behaviour ! I hope that your perception of this incident was perhaps a misunderstanding ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 20 October, 2009 Share Posted 20 October, 2009 When is murty due back from injury? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 20 October, 2009 Share Posted 20 October, 2009 Competition for places? Stength in depth? Fark me we've come a long way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 20 October, 2009 Share Posted 20 October, 2009 Funny really that the article makes out a case for James continuing because of his ability to put over a pin-point cross. What a pity that it isn't common enough knowledge for the TUI staff (whoever that is) to realise that Murty was probably putting in quality pinpoint crosses when James was still wearing short trousers. Even though he only played a few games at the start of the season before his injury, it was clear to see his ability and as soon as he is back to match fitness, he should be our number one right back with James as cover for him or in midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Division South Days Posted 20 October, 2009 Share Posted 20 October, 2009 Funny really that the article makes out a case for James continuing because of his ability to put over a pin-point cross. What a pity that it isn't common enough knowledge for the TUI staff (whoever that is) to realise that Murty was probably putting in quality pinpoint crosses when James was still wearing short trousers. Even though he only played a few games at the start of the season before his injury, it was clear to see his ability and as soon as he is back to match fitness, he should be our number one right back with James as cover for him or in midfield. Trouble is most of James pin-point crosses come from closer to the half way line than the bye-line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 20 October, 2009 Share Posted 20 October, 2009 And the last 3 league game results have been what? Yep wins. We've had years of rotations and tinkering. Even IF Murty was fit in my book he keeps his place unless he has an absolute stinker or we lose form and stop winning. How do we improve on winning every week? we can't, we can only mess it up... Even when he gets physically fit, it will take Murty 3 or 4 games to become truly MATCH fit, a minor matter which previous incumbents of the merry-go-round ignored for the past few years. Murty WILL get his chance, until then the THREAT of him being ready is enough, and something the first team haven't had for many years What he said - please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 I am very surprised (and disappointed) to hear of this mainly because in the past I have only heard that he is a great ambassador for the game ! He is always first up for hospital visits etc. and appears to be extremely approachable, articulate and pleasant ! I have friends from Reading who hold him in very high esteem because of his character and even in his short time here there have been very positive reports about his behaviour ! I hope that your perception of this incident was perhaps a misunderstanding ! That's what I thought as well. This is from Wikipedia: "Murty will also be remembered for his charity work while at the club. The club said "He will be known as an ambassador with all of his charity work and work in the local community"." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 It is also interesting to note that, in all competitions, Lloyd James has made the joint highest amount of appearances at 16 along with Kelvin Davis and Dan Harding. That includes League, League Cup and JPT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 21 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 October, 2009 (edited) I'd play Murty every day of the week. As for Wotton & the article, complete pile of poo! Wotton did ok against Gillingham but they hardly set the world alight & Wotton wasn't troubled much, despite even me thinking he had a better game. It may be the poor opposition flattered him. I'm not taking away that he's done better since but I don't think you can attribute much of our success to his floaty, mi**** passes & neck high tackles! Either way, we need a recognised full back to compete/learn from Murty & a decent holding/defensive midfielder. I can't help but ponder how good Safri would be in our current squad, sat back, slotting passes forward & wide, marshalling the middle of the park to great effect! You've a good eye for players Gordon (my code for saying I agree with you) Murty walks right back into the team when fit I'd say . Lloyd James has yet to show me he has anything special to offer while Murty on the other hand is surely a very good player at this level . While we're on the subject of 'nothing special' the praise Wotton seems to be receiving from all and sundry has to be challenged , what does he do for us exactly ? Is he quick - Far from it Good in the air - Average I'd say Goal threat - Clearly not Distribution - Poor Stamina - He's no Jhon Viafara is he ? Tackling - Fair Attitude - Good Frankly there are any number of younger fitter players who can do all of that or more for you (the unwanted Simon Gillett being one of them) so the 'Paul Wotton is our Claude Makelele' argument leaves me unimpressed - this 'king' has no clothes . Your point regarding Safri is a telling one , Youssef Safri is twice the player Wotton will ever be and would still be an massive asset for this club - anyone who can't tell the difference midfielders like Wotton (journeyman) and Safri (class) needs to have a very strong word with themselves . Edited 21 October, 2009 by CHAPEL END CHARLIE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 Murty is a first choice for that place but nobody should be entitled to a position, they should have to work for it. I know his injury has been unfortunate but I reckon he will need to prove himself in training before he can come back to the team. I was impressed with him at the Cheltenham pre-season friendly, being so close to pitch I could hear him, he was very vocal and commanding at the back, he is a good player. Agree with every word. His experience is priceless, but he can't play unless he's 100% fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 Something not picked up on: Murty is much more composed when building from the back - will always look for a pass and take his time - great for team composure. Lloyd has a decent cross from wide positions but hits too many mindless long balls when deep in our half. Both aren't blessed for pace; but Murty partly compensates for this by reading the game so well. I'd stick with a winning formula for now but Murty has got to be a strong candidate for a quick return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West End Saint Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 Murty was playing very well before he got injured he was also marshalling the defence and was a leadre on the pitch for me if he is fit he should be in the team. I like James and thought last season he was our most improved player but right back is not his position he can do a job there but Murty is a very decent right back. Lloyd can play better in other positions he had a couple of good games at centre mid but I thinke he would be best right midfield he will be an important player for us this season as he can cover a number of positions and always does a job. I think getting Murty back in the team will improve us so when he is fit lets have him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 You've a good eye for players Gordon (my code for saying I agree with you) Murty walks right back into the team when fit I'd say . Lloyd James has yet to show me he has anything special to offer while Murty on the other hand is surely a very good player at this level . While we're on the subject of 'nothing special' the praise Wotton seems to be receiving from all and sundry has to be challenged , what does he do for us exactly ? Is he quick - Far from it Good in the air - Average I'd say Goal threat - Clearly not Distribution - Poor Stamina - He's no Jhon Viafara is he ? Tackling - Fair Attitude - Good Frankly there are any number of younger fitter players who can do all of that or more for you (the unwanted Simon Gillett being one of them) so the 'Paul Wotton is our Claude Makelele' argument leaves me unimpressed - this 'king' has no clothes . Your point regarding Safri is a telling one , Youssef Safri is twice the player Wotton will ever be and would still be an massive asset for this club - anyone who can't tell the difference midfielders like Wotton (journeyman) and Safri (class) needs to have a very strong word with themselves . Obviously most of us would rather have Safri in Wottons role, the guy was quality. Gillett has been awful in his appearances this season - undeniable fact. Wotton has been part of our recent success - undeniable fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 Obviously most of us would rather have Safri in Wottons role, the guy was quality. Gillett has been awful in his appearances this season - undeniable fact. Wotton has been part of our recent success - undeniable fact. I still think there's enough defensive quality between Mellis, Schneiderlin and Hammond to keep Wotton out. Mellis gets around the pitch and closes and makes tackles. The only thing WOtton has is experience but how important is that when you have ex-captains all the over the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 I still think there's enough defensive quality between Mellis, Schneiderlin and Hammond to keep Wotton out. Mellis gets around the pitch and closes and makes tackles. The only thing WOtton has is experience but how important is that when you have ex-captains all the over the pitch. The thing is, Wotton NEVER goes forwards. You try telling one of those three they have to do that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 The thing is, Wotton NEVER goes forwards. You try telling one of those three they have to do that... I tend to agree. I have always been of the opinion that EVERY team needs a 'Makalele', someone to simply sit in front of the back four and give the ball to the more creative midfielders. Great shout from GM, this role would have suited Saffri perfectly. I'm sure AP is fully aware of Wotton's limitations but at the moment he is the best bet to fill this role. Howvever, I do wonder if Hammond might do this job even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 21 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 October, 2009 Gillett has been awful in his appearances this season - undeniable fact. How do explain that 'undeniable fact' ? A decent enough player for us last season suddenly becomes hopeless under a new manager . There must be a reason . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 I tend to agree. I have always been of the opinion that EVERY team needs a 'Makalele', someone to simply sit in front of the back four and give the ball to the more creative midfielders. Great shout from GM, this role would have suited Saffri perfectly. I'm sure AP is fully aware of Wotton's limitations but at the moment he is the best bet to fill this role. Howvever, I do wonder if Hammond might do this job even better. I really liked Safri but he rarely put his foot in - and when he was in the team, we let the opposition come on to us too much. I think there's more than enough in Schneiderlin to grow and fill Safri's boots. What I would do for another Barry Horne... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 Murty at right back and James playing Wottons role. Need Lloyd James in there for his setpiece delivery, far more suited to a midfield place and Murty will give the defence a bit more experience. If James can play the role of defensive midfielder as good or better than Wotton, than you're right. It seems clear on AP's team selection that LJ is a certainty in the team, so letting him replace Wooton would allow Murty back when fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints67 Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 After listening to Murty in the Channon Club before the Gillingham game, I hope he doesn't simply walk back into the team. He was so arrogant and big headed it was embarrassing. He even sat down on the stage while Jake Thompson was speaking. I was very disappointed with his lack of character (off the pitch). I hope you got it wrong but isn't Murty out with a leg injury? Might explain why he sat down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 How do explain that 'undeniable fact' ? A decent enough player for us last season suddenly becomes hopeless under a new manager . There must be a reason . In last years team he looked a world beater, chasing around everywhere, but not this year. That could mean that the way we are playing at the moment doesn't suit the qualities he has, and that we are looking for a more disciplined display. When I'm thinking about his style of play I'm not sure anymore where he would fit in. He isn't defensive by nature, he isn't a great passer of the ball, but sadly he isn't a danger going forward either. I'm led to believe that he had a good game for Doncaster last week, although ended up responsible for letting in a goal. I hope he will do fantastic there and have a long and successful career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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