SaintDonkey Posted 5 November, 2009 Share Posted 5 November, 2009 (edited) Southampton average leaguue attendance: 19545 Portsmouth average league attendance: 18342 But besides the rivalry with them down the road we have a higher average attendance than Wigan, Coventry, Reading, Crystal Palace, Swansea City, Watford, Bristol City, Barnsley, Charlton, Hudderfield, MK Dons and Millwall. All of whom are ahead of us in the football pyramid and have the ground capacity to fit in more fans than our current gate. I think Markus bought the right club Edited 5 November, 2009 by SaintDonkey can't spell football! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 5 November, 2009 Share Posted 5 November, 2009 Southampton average leaguue attendance: 19545 Portsmouth average league attendance: 18342 But besides the rivalry with them down the road we have a higher average attendance than Wigan, Coventry, Reading, Crystal Palace, Swansea City, Watford, Bristol City, Barnsley, Charlton, Hudderfield, MK Dons and Millwall. All of whom are ahead of us in the foorball pyramid and have the ground capacity to fit in more fans than our current gate. I think Markus bought the right club Not true, but i get your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 5 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 5 November, 2009 Not true, but i get your point. Okay I was pushing it a bit with Watford - capacity 19920, but technically they could all fit in 19545 fans. I even left out Preston who just fall 20 seats short at 19525 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofarnorth Posted 5 November, 2009 Share Posted 5 November, 2009 Not true, but i get your point. Pretty sure all those clubs have grounds that can take more than 19,500 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 5 November, 2009 Share Posted 5 November, 2009 Not such a happy thought, three members of staff were made redundant yesterday, one in the shop, one in the warehouse and one in the office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 5 November, 2009 Share Posted 5 November, 2009 no not good, hope they get employment soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 November, 2009 Share Posted 5 November, 2009 Maybe they weren't very good at their jobs ? I don't think we need to be running a bloated, inefficient Premier League setup any more, do we ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 5 November, 2009 Share Posted 5 November, 2009 Not such a happy thought, three members of staff were made redundant yesterday, one in the shop, one in the warehouse and one in the office. There are only 2 members of staff left from the ''Old club'' - there have been mass redundancies over the past 4 months, some people who have been around for years too unfortunately. But these guys want to start from the ground up, with their own people in all positions - which you can understand. Their argument is that there were too many ''dormant positions'' and ''unused staff'' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 5 November, 2009 Share Posted 5 November, 2009 There are only 2 members of staff left from the ''Old club'' - there have been mass redundancies over the past 4 months, some people who have been around for years too unfortunately. But these guys want to start from the ground up, with their own people in all positions - which you can understand. Their argument is that there were too many ''dormant positions'' and ''unused staff'' A shop assistant is a shop assistant all the same, why change them if they do a decent job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 5 November, 2009 Share Posted 5 November, 2009 A shop assistant is a shop assistant all the same, why change them if they do a decent job? No idea - a question for Cortese i think, but they're restructuring right over the board. You find that this sort of thing happens in almost all companies after a takeover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 5 November, 2009 Share Posted 5 November, 2009 You find that this sort of thing happens in almost all companies after a takeover. What right down to the nuts and bolts? doubt it myself, must have been some good honest,trustworthy,efficient employees in the lot.Anyway what's the percentage of staff left after the "buyout" compared to say a year ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 5 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 5 November, 2009 Damn it I try to start a happy thread and within 4 posts it's become a doom and gloom thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 5 November, 2009 Share Posted 5 November, 2009 Okay I was pushing it a bit with Watford - capacity 19920, but technically they could all fit in 19545 fans. I even left out Preston who just fall 20 seats short at 19525 Preston - 23,408 at start of 2008/09 season. What's happened to the missing 3,883 in the last year - tidal wave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 5 November, 2009 Share Posted 5 November, 2009 Damn it I try to start a happy thread and within 4 posts it's become a doom and gloom thread. comparing Saints and Pompey is always a dangerous affair. Some people still remember that they are 2 leagues above us,get about 40 million a season more from TV money and are probably still closer to exiting the relegation places than we are (although I haven't actually checked that out;)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 5 November, 2009 Share Posted 5 November, 2009 Preston - 23,408 at start of 2008/09 season. What's happened to the missing 3,883 in the last year - tidal wave? probably built new bogs for the family zone and a state of the art tripe and onions restaurant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 5 November, 2009 Share Posted 5 November, 2009 A shop assistant is a shop assistant all the same, why change them if they do a decent job? To pay for Dodds wages? Seriously though, perhaps the emphasis in terms of expenditure is geared more towards the playing squad and coaching. Over the last 10 years or so this has been deteriorating and hence so have 'shop' sales. Repair the main product (i.e. the 1st team and its position) first, that will bring more sales of merchandise, tickets etc and then you will need to employ more ancillary support staff. Seems sensible enough approach to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 5 November, 2009 Share Posted 5 November, 2009 To pay for Dodds wages? Seriously though, perhaps the emphasis in terms of expenditure is geared more towards the playing squad and coaching. Over the last 10 years or so this has been deteriorating and hence so have 'shop' sales. Repair the main product (i.e. the 1st team and its position) first, that will bring more sales of merchandise, tickets etc and then you will need to employ more ancillary support staff. Seems sensible enough approach to me. I can see that but changing one shop assistant for another does seem fairly illogical to me,unless of course it involves cost cutting. I've always said that our non-footballing costs had got out of hand and were dragging us down,to the detriment of the core product, perhaps was sort of spot on. Back to the subject of Dodd, we could well do without him as well. Can't really understand why sensible men keep hiring him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 5 November, 2009 Share Posted 5 November, 2009 I can see that but changing one shop assistant for another does seem fairly illogical to me,unless of course it involves cost cutting. I've always said that our non-footballing costs had got out of hand and were dragging us down,to the detriment of the core product, perhaps was sort of spot on. Back to the subject of Dodd, we could well do without him as well. Can't really understand why sensible men keep hiring him. Thing is though mate, I'm sure they would have gone through a consultation period where he/ she could have re-applied for their job. At the moment there are a lot of good people about, if they advertised that position chances are they would have got a **** hot candidate in or 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 5 November, 2009 Share Posted 5 November, 2009 Back to the subject of Dodd, we could well do without him as well. Can't really understand why sensible men keep hiring him. Well he must have something about him for AP / Cortese to agree to hire him I guess. Results will be interesting and who knows he may be the next Prost (for all we know perhaps he studied Prost when he was around)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 5 November, 2009 Share Posted 5 November, 2009 Thing is though mate, I'm sure they would have gone through a consultation period where he/ she could have re-applied for their job. At the moment there are a lot of good people about, if they advertised that position chances are they would have got a **** hot candidate in or 2? You can't make someone redundant if their job, or even one damn near the same, continues afterwards. It's the post that is redundant - not the post-holder. Technically when someone is described as being 'made redundant', they are actually being 'dismissed for reasons of redundancy', ie because their job has disappeared. So if there's still the same job there, then there is no redundancy. If you want to get rid of someone and employ someone better you have to sack them for incompetence, and take the risk that a tribunal won't agree they were incompetent. So if a shop assistant has been made redundant as such, the club cannot be employing a new shop assistant to replace him/her, unless the post is substantially different. This must be a reducation in the number of staff in the shop. K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 5 November, 2009 Share Posted 5 November, 2009 You can't make someone redundant if their job, or even one damn near the same, continues afterwards. It's the post that is redundant - not the post-holder. Technically when someone is described as being 'made redundant', they are actually being 'dismissed for reasons of redundancy', ie because their job has disappeared. So if there's still the same job there, then there is no redundancy. If you want to get rid of someone and employ someone better you have to sack them for incompetence, and take the risk that a tribunal won't agree they were incompetent. So if a shop assistant has been made redundant as such, the club cannot be employing a new shop assistant to replace him/her, unless the post is substantially different. This must be a reducation in the number of staff in the shop. K. Or you can AGREE a pay-off with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 5 November, 2009 Share Posted 5 November, 2009 Well he must have something about him for AP / Cortese to agree to hire him I guess. Results will be interesting and who knows he may be the next Prost (for all we know perhaps he studied Prost when he was around)? Anyone who watched Dodd's management of Eastleigh can safely determine that he is most definitely not the next Georges Prost... they were bloody awful! Anyway, let's see.... fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted 5 November, 2009 Share Posted 5 November, 2009 Okay I was pushing it a bit with Watford - capacity 19920, but technically they could all fit in 19545 fans. I even left out Preston who just fall 20 seats short at 19525 That's Watford's capacity, but current logistics would probably mean they wouldn't be allowed to sell more than ~18000 tickets, due to stadium redevelopments, random seat changes, and other weird weird things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 5 November, 2009 Share Posted 5 November, 2009 Southampton average leaguue attendance: 19545 Portsmouth average league attendance: 18342 Portsmouth's attendance includes an average of 3K tickets per game given away to local schools etc etc. The Blue few indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Posted 6 November, 2009 Share Posted 6 November, 2009 we have a warehouse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 6 November, 2009 Share Posted 6 November, 2009 we have a warehouse? where else would you keep the conveyor belt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Samuel Posted 6 November, 2009 Share Posted 6 November, 2009 Not forgetting our amazing away support as well. We took 3,200 to Leyton Orient last weekend, Pompey took less than 500 to Aston Villa in September. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 6 November, 2009 Share Posted 6 November, 2009 Portsmouth's attendance includes an average of 3K tickets per game given away to local schools etc etc. The Blue few indeed. There are schools in Portmsouth? Learn something new every day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 6 November, 2009 Share Posted 6 November, 2009 There are schools in Portmsouth? Learn something new every day Yeah, and they are all 'approved' !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 November, 2009 Share Posted 6 November, 2009 institutions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 6 November, 2009 Share Posted 6 November, 2009 Southampton average leaguue attendance: 19545 Portsmouth average league attendance: 18342 But besides the rivalry with them down the road we have a higher average attendance than Wigan, Coventry, Reading, Crystal Palace, Swansea City, Watford, Bristol City, Barnsley, Charlton, Hudderfield, MK Dons and Millwall. All of whom are ahead of us in the football pyramid and have the ground capacity to fit in more fans than our current gate. I think Markus bought the right club What about S****horpe, Doncaster, Plymouth , Blackpool, QPR, Yeovil, Bristol Rovers surely our attendance is better than all those as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 6 November, 2009 Share Posted 6 November, 2009 Southampton average leaguue attendance: 19545 Portsmouth average league attendance: 18342 But besides the rivalry with them down the road we have a higher average attendance than Wigan, Coventry, Reading, Crystal Palace, Swansea City, Watford, Bristol City, Barnsley, Charlton, Hudderfield, MK Dons and Millwall. All of whom are ahead of us in the football pyramid and have the ground capacity to fit in more fans than our current gate. I think Markus bought the right club What about S****horpe, Doncaster, Plymouth , Blackpool, QPR, Yeovil, Bristol Rovers surely our attendance is better than all those as well! The original poster above was referring to those clubs higher than us in the pyramid that could effectively sell more tickets than our average attendance. The clubs you mention apart from Plymouth don't have the capacity to do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 8 November, 2009 Share Posted 8 November, 2009 and other weird weird things. Oi, leave me out of this ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 8 November, 2009 Share Posted 8 November, 2009 I bet we get about 5 people turn up on Wednesday night though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 8 November, 2009 Share Posted 8 November, 2009 I bet we get about 5 people turn up on Wednesday night though! We got 11,000 V Torquay did we not? Highest attendance by far in the JPT. Against Charlton it should be even higher, i'm going for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 November, 2009 Share Posted 8 November, 2009 We got 11,000 V Torquay did we not? Highest attendance by far in the JPT. Against Charlton it should be even higher, i'm going for one. I will be there with a mate who does not support saints...woooooah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Stimp Posted 8 November, 2009 Share Posted 8 November, 2009 I bet we get about 5 people turn up on Wednesday night though! I'm going with a group of 8 so that's that one out the window already! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 8 November, 2009 Share Posted 8 November, 2009 I will be there with a mate who does not support saints...woooooah This is one all the neutrals will want to watch, tbf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 8 November, 2009 Share Posted 8 November, 2009 This is one all the neutrals will want to watch, tbf. As Hell's Bell's said on Soccer AM, a Premier League game in the Johnstone's Paint Trophy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 November, 2009 Share Posted 8 November, 2009 As Hell's Bell's said on Soccer AM, a Premier League game in the Johnstone's Paint Trophy! strange when you think about it really.. hopefully a good game...am a tad concerned that the likes of harding and lambert have to play every game.... is there a break at all coming up..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 8 November, 2009 Share Posted 8 November, 2009 Less than 16,200 at the Wigan v Fulham match today! Premier League, they're havin' a laugh!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 8 November, 2009 Share Posted 8 November, 2009 Less than 16,200 at the Wigan v Fulham match today! Premier League, they're havin' a laugh!!! Be incredibly funny if we get more than that on wednesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 8 November, 2009 Share Posted 8 November, 2009 Less than 16,200 at the Wigan v Fulham match today! Premier League, they're havin' a laugh!!! To play devil's advocate for a moment one of the reasons we're getting good attendances is because of the sensible ticket prices. I'm getting a season ticket next week just because the prices are not stupid anymore. I hate to think what the cost of the Wigan v Fulham game was but I bet it wasn't worth it. On a better note the other reason we've got good attendance figures is because we're playing well and winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 8 November, 2009 Share Posted 8 November, 2009 To play devil's advocate for a moment one of the reasons we're getting good attendances is because of the sensible ticket prices. I'm getting a season ticket next week just because the prices are not stupid anymore. I hate to think what the cost of the Wigan v Fulham game was but I bet it wasn't worth it. On a better note the other reason we've got good attendance figures is because we're playing well and winning. Standard adult of £20 - £22 (category C). I think it might have been a special offer of 2 successive games for £30 total. Basic adult tickets range from £20 to £30 depending on location and the category of the visitors, so their prices are not bad, but we are talking about 'Wigan'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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