Rebel Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Someone has leaked West Ham's palyers wages! Naughty Naughty! take a look: http://www.football-rumours.com/whufc.php When you see players like Boa Morte and Gabbidon are on £70K and £50K per week respectively you know football has gone made. Both are CCC standard players nowadays! None of the WHU players should be on more than £30K a week given the size of the club. Football needs a salary cap - both in terms of a weekly wage for players and as a % of clubs annual turnover - say £50K and 60%. The players are eating the game - biting the very hand that feeds them! I know its not Saints related - but I thought we'd all be interested! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xerox Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 £70k per year is a very good wage, per week is a joke - i always wonder if the people drawing up these contracts realises it say 'per week'. i could pay off my 200k mortgage in one month, but it's going to take me 28 years. bunch of wayne kerrs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish fingers Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Poor Mido Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Kieron Dyer, £70k a week. Crocked most weeks. Says it all really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Boa Morte's agent must be a f::cking genius... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 So Steve Clark wasn't offered the ridiculous wages that papers made out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsmike25 Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Mido has disproven the biggest Myth about him being some kind of money grabbing mercenary, the wages of Hines and Spence are pretty poor compared to Dyer and Boa Morte! if only they could get rid, then the wages wouldn't look too bad and pretty equal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 I posted these figures on the P*mpey thread last week :smt028 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Mido has disproven the biggest Myth about him being some kind of money grabbing mercenary, the wages of Hines and Spence are pretty poor compared to Dyer and Boa Morte! if only they could get rid, then the wages wouldn't look too bad and pretty equal. He's only there on loan, WHU could only be paying a fraction of his wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 It was widely reported at the time that Mido was taking a low wage. He was playing for a place. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2833928/Mido-signs-for-West-Ham-on-just-1k-a-week.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 He's only there on loan, WHU could only be paying a fraction of his wages. When he joined he stated he would play for anyone for just £1k a week. He simply wanted to play and wasn't going to let a high salary put clubs off signing him If only there were a few more like him ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 It's Probably Sullivan who leaked them to add weight to his attempts to get the players to take wage cuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 When he joined he stated he would play for anyone for just £1k a week. He simply wanted to play and wasn't going to let a high salary put clubs off signing him If only there were a few more like him ... shame he's krap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 There's absolutely no way that Mido is only on £1000 a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Someone has leaked West Ham's palyers wages! Naughty Naughty! take a look: http://www.football-rumours.com/whufc.php When you see players like Boa Morte and Gabbidon are on £70K and £50K per week respectively you know football has gone made. Both are CCC standard players nowadays! None of the WHU players should be on more than £30K a week given the size of the club. Football needs a salary cap - both in terms of a weekly wage for players and as a % of clubs annual turnover - say £50K and 60%. The players are eating the game - biting the very hand that feeds them! I know its not Saints related - but I thought we'd all be interested! Micky Mouse figures, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Johnson Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 There's absolutely no way that Mido is only on £1000 a week. as already mentioned, it was reported at the time of his signing that he'd agreed to play for £1k a week to prove himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ribbo Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 no need for a salary cap for players, salary cap the team by all means and limit the squad size (with additional slots for teams in europe) this will hopefully clear out all the teams with large squads. as a byproduct this will bring in squad management instead of hoarding talent because of managment changes and saturate the market to bring the demand for paying these salaries to anyone other than marquee players. Then control agents with an iron fist, even if all all agents are controlled by the FA, get rid of the stupid installment mentality that causes clubs to gamble on future income streams and make clubs pay the full amount first time (and then add any sell on fee for development purposes). infact i'll be the new football tzar, free half time pies for all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Mido has disproven the biggest Myth about him being some kind of money grabbing mercenary, the wages of Hines and Spence are pretty poor compared to Dyer and Boa Morte! if only they could get rid, then the wages wouldn't look too bad and pretty equal. He's only there on loan, WHU could only be paying a fraction of his wages. etc. No-one yet has said that Mido's from a very rich family and is basically playing for fun rather than out of necessity anyway... On his Wiki page about the West Ham wages : Mido joined West Ham United on a four-month loan on 1 February 2010 after his season-long loan spell with Zamalek was terminated by mutual agreement. He stated "I had to sacrifice some things but I'm here to play football again and I'm here to prove a point. I'm very happy to be here, it's a great club – and I'm sure I'll do well here."[124] West Ham chairman David Sullivan announced that in order for Mido to secure his long-term footballing future, his contract with West Ham put him amongst the lowest earners in the Premier League. Sullivan said "He doesn't want to be known as a 'has been' of English football, so he was willing to come here to play for a nominal fee, just £1,000 a week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 He's got the Mido touch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Does the name of the 'someone' who leaked this ryhme with David Bold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Are these figure just their salaries? With or without win bonuses, appearance money etc And bear in mnd that most premiership players will earn much more via 'image rights' etc on top of actual wage. It is, quite simply, crazy. k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Football needs wage capping. Unfortunately this would apparently come under a restriction of trade and therefore be illegal (apparently). Perhaps we need tougher penalties of clubs with financial irregularities. Automatic relegation for any club which defaults on ANY payments due to it's dreditors. Expulsion from the Football League for any club which goes into administration. Jail sentences for those found to be negligent with the running of a football club. £70k for Boa Morte... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Does the name of the 'someone' who leaked this ryhme with David Bold? No. 'Sullivan' does not rhyme... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Football needs wage capping. Unfortunately this would apparently come under a restriction of trade and therefore be illegal (apparently). Exceptions can be made for sport, I think Rugby has one as do other sports. If wages come down, the ticket prices come down. Everyone wins. However it would have to be a Europe wide system for all the top leagues otherwise all the players would end up in the league without a cap. Its sickening that even lower league players are driving around in brand new Bentleys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
September Saint Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Does the name of the 'someone' who leaked this ryhme with David Bold? Should be David Told Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerceSaint28 Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Forget that, Lowe's slice of genius is to give young Pulis a 2 year deal on roughly £2,500 a week. So by my calculations that works out as £960,000 over 2 years on wages for 0 appearances. I think the fact that the imps viewed him as their worst player while on loan speaks volumes. The only question is, how has he made it is a professional??? time to learn a new trade Anthony......... and don't even think of being a coach as you have zero talent on a football field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycrow Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 A salary cap won't stop these kind of things happening at a club like West Ham, nor will it stop what happened at Pompey. Any salary cap that is applied now will be at the higher end, the types of salaries that United, Chelsea, Madrid and Barca pay. It won't be a tiered cap that means West Ham or any other smaller club can't offer a player as much as Man United. So lets say the cap is £100,000 a week, nothing changes in the salaries above for a team who can't afford to pay half of that to any one player. Football doesn't need a salary cap, it needs rules the force clubs to play within their own means, more strenuous rules than the ones already in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycrow Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Forget that, Lowe's slice of genius is to give young Pulis a 2 year deal on roughly £2,500 a week. So by my calculations that works out as £960,000 over 2 years on wages for 0 appearances. I think the fact that the imps viewed him as their worst player while on loan speaks volumes. The only question is, how has he made it is a professional??? time to learn a new trade Anthony......... and don't even think of being a coach as you have zero talent on a football field What calculations are you doing? It's £260,000 over 2 years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 I blame Jimmy Hill and his mates all them years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Rick Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Forget that, Lowe's slice of genius is to give young Pulis a 2 year deal on roughly £2,500 a week. So by my calculations that works out as £960,000 over 2 years on wages for 0 appearances. I think the fact that the imps viewed him as their worst player while on loan speaks volumes. The only question is, how has he made it is a professional??? time to learn a new trade Anthony......... and don't even think of being a coach as you have zero talent on a football field numpty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 What calculations are you doing? It's £260,000 over 2 years... so in fact for a meagre 260K£ paid over 2 years we were able to con Stoke out of about 1.3 million £ for a player who everyone knew was a permanent injury crisis. I think Davies has managed about 10 or 15 games since we sold him, most of them on loan oop North. Very smart work by Mr Lowe if you ask me,especially as we saved a lot of money on his wages as well, seeing as how he was never fit to play.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Forget that, Lowe's slice of genius is to give young Pulis a 2 year deal on roughly £2,500 a week. So by my calculations that works out as £960,000 over 2 years on wages for 0 appearances. I think the fact that the imps viewed him as their worst player while on loan speaks volumes. The only question is, how has he made it is a professional??? time to learn a new trade Anthony......... and don't even think of being a coach as you have zero talent on a football field I will never ever ask you to do my tax return Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Green deserves a pay rise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 What calculations are you doing? It's £260,000 over 2 years... LOL. He was close...Sort of....Well not really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Mido surely can't be right. They must only be paying part of his wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Some of those wages are phenomenally bloated. Take Kieron Dyer for example. This is a guy who joined West Ham in 2007 for £6m, and has played 19 GAMES in 3 years whilst picking up his wages of 70k p/w or even more frightening, £3.64m p/a. He's taken more than £10m in wages over the course of his contract at West Ham, in exchange for 19 games and exactly ZERO goals. And he's still got another year left to run on his contract! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Sullivan said "He doesn't want to be known as a 'has been' of English football, so he was willing to come here to play for a nominal fee, just £1,000 a week So he's now known as "the cheap has been of English football!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Boa Morte's agent must be a f::cking genius... I've asked him to represent me with the remuneration committee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Some of those wages are phenomenally bloated. Take Kieron Dyer for example. This is a guy who joined West Ham in 2007 for £6m, and has played 19 GAMES in 3 years whilst picking up his wages of 70k p/w or even more frightening, £3.64m p/a. He's taken more than £10m in wages over the course of his contract at West Ham, in exchange for 19 games and exactly ZERO goals. And he's still got another year left to run on his contract! Tahar cost us the World Cup you know ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 12 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2010 A salary cap won't stop these kind of things happening at a club like West Ham, nor will it stop what happened at Pompey. Any salary cap that is applied now will be at the higher end, the types of salaries that United, Chelsea, Madrid and Barca pay. It won't be a tiered cap that means West Ham or any other smaller club can't offer a player as much as Man United. So lets say the cap is £100,000 a week, nothing changes in the salaries above for a team who can't afford to pay half of that to any one player. Football doesn't need a salary cap, it needs rules the force clubs to play within their own means, more strenuous rules than the ones already in place. a wage restriction for the whole squad based on a % of a clubs turnover would work - its already applied in League 2 and other countries - and it would encourage clubs to manage their squads better I'd still like to see a maximum weekly wage though so clubs like Man Utd, Citeh and Chelsea can't just buy the league! there still have bigger and better sqauds based on their turnovers - but they wouldn't be able to have 25 players on £100K plus a week along with the qoutas for first team squads - minimum number of home grown players a maximum number of foreign players - it would make football a lot more competitive. its the way American sport is run - with the worst team getting the first pick on the NFL draft for example as well as salary caps football is a sport and sport is not business! its a cultural things like art! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Some of those wages are phenomenally bloated. Take Kieron Dyer for example. This is a guy who joined West Ham in 2007 for £6m, and has played 19 GAMES in 3 years whilst picking up his wages of 70k p/w or even more frightening, £3.64m p/a. He's taken more than £10m in wages over the course of his contract at West Ham, in exchange for 19 games and exactly ZERO goals. And he's still got another year left to run on his contract! insanity, aint capitalism great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 insanity, aint capitalism great To be fair, it is a market economy. Who is it who can say how much anyone is worth? If a company is prepared to pay you a salary to work for them, that is their decision, if that company then goes bust, well they shouldn't expect to be bailed out. In theory, with football, the power is with the workers (players) who certainly reap the benefits of success. The owners of the clubs are held to ransom by players/agents, in the knowledge that their "skills" are so sort after they can always move elsewhere. It is only if clubs collectively agree to stop outbidding each other would wages reduce. The problem I have with it is a) clubs spend beyond their means increasing the chances of going out of buisness = bad for the fans. and b) clubs can only rely on sky money so far so ticket prices continue to increase passing the cost of these high wages onto the fanbase. = bad for fans I said it before, this time last year when were on the verge of goiing out of business sky sports news featured an old lady handing in £500 at st marys to help keep the club alive, the fact that that would have paid Bradley Wright-Philips for half a day is absolutely disgusting!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Nobody posted about how West Ham have already confirmed that this list is fake? Although people baffled at Mido will be shocked to hear that he really is only getting paid £1k a week. When he agreed to sign he agreed he'd do it on the cheap as he is already one of the richest players in the league and he was just grateful for the chance to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycrow Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 a wage restriction for the whole squad based on a % of a clubs turnover would work - its already applied in League 2 and other countries - and it would encourage clubs to manage their squads better I'd still like to see a maximum weekly wage though so clubs like Man Utd, Citeh and Chelsea can't just buy the league! there still have bigger and better sqauds based on their turnovers - but they wouldn't be able to have 25 players on £100K plus a week along with the qoutas for first team squads - minimum number of home grown players a maximum number of foreign players - it would make football a lot more competitive. its the way American sport is run - with the worst team getting the first pick on the NFL draft for example as well as salary caps football is a sport and sport is not business! its a cultural things like art! Yeah, all good ideas Rebel. I agree completely. I didn't mean to dismiss the idea of a salary cap at all, I just meant that on its own it won't change the financial problems of clubs outside the megarich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycrow Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Nobody posted about how West Ham have already confirmed that this list is fake? Although people baffled at Mido will be shocked to hear that he really is only getting paid £1k a week. When he agreed to sign he agreed he'd do it on the cheap as he is already one of the richest players in the league and he was just grateful for the chance to play. I hadn't seen that Hopkins. Thanks. I wonder how close it is to the truth though. If someone did mock it up, putting Mido on anything other than a grand a week would make it stand out as fake because that was so well documented., so they wanted it to be believed... I wonder if they are that precise, how much of the rest of it is accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 I don't know whether to lock this or move it. Which would cause least offence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 no need for a salary cap for players, salary cap the team by all means and limit the squad size (with additional slots for teams in europe) this will hopefully clear out all the teams with large squads. as a byproduct this will bring in squad management instead of hoarding talent because of managment changes and saturate the market to bring the demand for paying these salaries to anyone other than marquee players. Then control agents with an iron fist, even if all all agents are controlled by the FA, get rid of the stupid installment mentality that causes clubs to gamble on future income streams and make clubs pay the full amount first time (and then add any sell on fee for development purposes). infact i'll be the new football tzar, free half time pies for all! a wage restriction for the whole squad based on a % of a clubs turnover would work - its already applied in League 2 and other countries - and it would encourage clubs to manage their squads better I'd still like to see a maximum weekly wage though so clubs like Man Utd, Citeh and Chelsea can't just buy the league! there still have bigger and better sqauds based on their turnovers - but they wouldn't be able to have 25 players on £100K plus a week along with the qoutas for first team squads - minimum number of home grown players a maximum number of foreign players - it would make football a lot more competitive. its the way American sport is run - with the worst team getting the first pick on the NFL draft for example as well as salary caps football is a sport and sport is not business! its a cultural things like art! Good ideas in both of these posts - and not just the one about free pies. It seems to me that you can cap expenditure on players' salaries by either (a) a straightforward maximum limit, or (b) a proportion of a club's turnover. Of these options, the latter is easier to maintain, as there's no need to review the total each season to account for inflation and so forth. However, the former could be easier to police, as you'll be stating that certain expenditure should not exceed a pre-determined figure. And a flat-rate cap would also help to prevent a small number of clubs dominating by dint of being global brands. Both options, of course, are open to some level of abuse. Our fishy chums down the road have already shown this with their sparkling and innovative use of image rights - they used it to get round tax, but it could so easily have other purposes. But any abuse could be easily checked by rigorous regulation - the authorities demand a fully audited set of accounts for each season to be presented on the 1st July each year. All payments and other benefits to players must be included, as all will be considered as salary. Any team found to have overpaid will be docked points for the coming season, with the number of points docked linked to the level of overpayment. Any club found to be attempting to disguise payments to players will be either heavily penalised or thrown out of the league altogether (I'd favour the latter). I agree, too, with the point in Ribbo's post about agents. However, if the measures I've suggested were put in place, I reckon the power of agents would wane anyway What chance of any such policy being put in place, I wonder? At a guess, I'd say zero in the Premier League (at least for the present and near future) and a shade more than zero - but not much more - in the Football League. But the game has got to where it is now largely because of shockingly lax regulation; failure to regulate will only lead to greater grief in the longer term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kchkwong Posted 13 May, 2010 Share Posted 13 May, 2010 Gabbidon on £50K per week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 14 May, 2010 Share Posted 14 May, 2010 To be fair, it is a market economy. Who is it who can say how much anyone is worth? If a company is prepared to pay you a salary to work for them, that is their decision, if that company then goes bust, well they shouldn't expect to be bailed out. In theory, with football, the power is with the workers (players) who certainly reap the benefits of success. The owners of the clubs are held to ransom by players/agents, in the knowledge that their "skills" are so sort after they can always move elsewhere. It is only if clubs collectively agree to stop outbidding each other would wages reduce. The problem I have with it is a) clubs spend beyond their means increasing the chances of going out of buisness = bad for the fans. and b) clubs can only rely on sky money so far so ticket prices continue to increase passing the cost of these high wages onto the fanbase. = bad for fans I said it before, this time last year when were on the verge of goiing out of business sky sports news featured an old lady handing in £500 at st marys to help keep the club alive, the fact that that would have paid Bradley Wright-Philips for half a day is absolutely disgusting!! i can say how much is anyone worth - a doctor or teacher - more than BWP. end of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 14 May, 2010 Share Posted 14 May, 2010 Nobody posted about how West Ham have already confirmed that this list is fake? Although people baffled at Mido will be shocked to hear that he really is only getting paid £1k a week. When he agreed to sign he agreed he'd do it on the cheap as he is already one of the richest players in the league and he was just grateful for the chance to play. Also nobody mentioned that the link was from a famous, factual website entitled ' Football Rumours.com Maybe I'm naive but perhaps it's just not what it's made out to be ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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