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now we know why Butterfield was rushed out there just for 2 days. Gutted for Richardson, he's struggled with injuries a bit during his career but seemed to settle down and get into some form at Charlton...then he got his big move and he gets this on his first/2nd day at the club.

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surprised at the 3 months bit - that will be about 10 league games - but then says almost certainly missing first game of season??

 

At least shoulder injury will make it easier to keep up fitness and ball skills

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surprised at the 3 months bit - that will be about 10 league games - but then says almost certainly missing first game of season??

 

At least shoulder injury will make it easier to keep up fitness and ball skills

 

I imagine it'll be due to the fact that he has to start pre-season again from scratch, hence the 3 months, but could be shorter if his fitness levels are better than expected. It does seem odd that they have to quote that he'll almost certainly miss the first game of the season.

I guess this is the type of scenario where Reserve team footie is an advantage to get him back to fitness, I'd presume some behind closed doors friendlies would now be arranged instead when the time comes.

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I imagine it'll be due to the fact that he has to start pre-season again from scratch, hence the 3 months, but could be shorter if his fitness levels are better than expected. It does seem odd that they have to quote that he'll almost certainly miss the first game of the season.

I guess this is the type of scenario where Reserve team footie is an advantage to get him back to fitness, I'd presume some behind closed doors friendlies would now be arranged instead when the time comes.

 

 

The quote is that he'll miss the "start of the campaign". Suspect they were waiting for confirmation on severity.

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no quote is

 

" Frazer is likely to be ruled out of action for around three months, meaning that he will almost certainly miss the start of the new campaign."

 

strange bit being start of season is 3 weeks away not 3 months?

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now we know why Butterfield was rushed out there just for 2 days. Gutted for Richardson, he's struggled with injuries a bit during his career but seemed to settle down and get into some form at Charlton...then he got his big move and he gets this on his first/2nd day at the club.

 

Big move?

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dannysfc

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I actually feel really for Frazer Richardson suffering that horrific injury seeing as he is out for 3 months as I hate seeing players being injured especially for that amount of time soo fingers crossed that he will make a full speedy recovery but hopefully Danny Butterfield will do a Good job in his place :)!

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The sorry truth is that having spent 450K on a L1 class RB , we are no further ahead in solving our problem.

The only consolation being that ..had it been September, we'd have the problem had 4 months longer.

If Butterfield is the " obvious" replacement..if so ...who's cover for him ? We started with Murty last season..and his injury was a career-breaker.

 

I still think AP's solution is correct. Proven players at CCC / L1 level who haven't reached a peak yet...back to the drawing board Alan, and tell Mr.Cortese to bring his cheque book again. It's still only pre-season training....oh and BTW who's the cover for Ricky Lambert going to be ?

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The sorry truth is that having spent 450K on a L1 class RB , we are no further ahead in solving our problem.

The only consolation being that ..had it been September, we'd have the problem had 4 months longer.

If Butterfield is the " obvious" replacement..if so ...who's cover for him ? We started with Murty last season..and his injury was a career-breaker.

 

I still think AP's solution is correct. Proven players at CCC / L1 level who haven't reached a peak yet...back to the drawing board Alan, and tell Mr.Cortese to bring his cheque book again. It's still only pre-season training....oh and BTW who's the cover for Ricky Lambert going to be ?

 

We have Connelly and Barnard, we won't play three strikers so one of these I would imagine. I think we still need another though.

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Wonder if Butterfield would have been signed but for the injury. He may have been looked at previously as an option but Richardson was preferred.

 

I think he would, he was a free transfer so it was only the cost of wages, and he is genuine cover for the right back spot.

Now Richardson is out for a while I assume he will become first choice and should he get injured AP will put Harding to right back as cover for him.

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I think he would, he was a free transfer so it was only the cost of wages, and he is genuine cover for the right back spot.

Now Richardson is out for a while I assume he will become first choice and should he get injured AP will put Harding to right back as cover for him.

 

That is how I see it too - Butterfield is only on a one year contract

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I actually feel really for Frazer Richardson suffering that horrific injury seeing as he is out for 3 months as I hate seeing players being injured especially for that amount of time soo fingers crossed that he will make a full speedy recovery but hopefully Danny Butterfield will do a Good job in his place :)!

 

I think Butterfield will do a good job too danny but we shall see! :vuvu:

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Indeed especially as they've been sending regular reports back the whole time Saints have been in Switzerland and were asked umpteen times since Wednesday to clarify the situation. Why keep it a secret ?

 

Any number of reasons:

 

- ensure that we get cover in (Butterfield) without looking too needy to cover that position ie negotiating stance with the player

- knock on effect if we had to go elsewhere, we may have had to pay an increased fee

- they didn't have an exact diagnosis on the severity of the injury

- they didn't want half of the SWF fanbase to keel over with stress and miss the start of the season due to not having a RB in place - at least this way we already have Butterfield in place

 

spring to mind immediately

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Any number of reasons:

 

- ensure that we get cover in (Butterfield) without looking too needy to cover that position ie negotiating stance with the player

- knock on effect if we had to go elsewhere, we may have had to pay an increased fee

- they didn't have an exact diagnosis on the severity of the injury

- they didn't want half of the SWF fanbase to keel over with stress and miss the start of the season due to not having a RB in place - at least this way we already have Butterfield in place

 

spring to mind immediately

 

The voice of reason.

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The sorry truth is that having spent 450K on a L1 class RB , we are no further ahead in solving our problem.

The only consolation being that ..had it been September, we'd have the problem had 4 months longer.

If Butterfield is the " obvious" replacement..if so ...who's cover for him ? We started with Murty last season..and his injury was a career-breaker.

 

I still think AP's solution is correct. Proven players at CCC / L1 level who haven't reached a peak yet...back to the drawing board Alan, and tell Mr.Cortese to bring his cheque book again. It's still only pre-season training....oh and BTW who's the cover for Ricky Lambert going to be ?

 

Don't be ridiculous. We're not going to spend nearly half a million quid on a player and then go out and spend some more just because he's out for three months, when we've already got someone in who can play that position.

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The sorry truth is that having spent 450K on a L1 class RB , we are no further ahead in solving our problem.

The only consolation being that ..had it been September, we'd have the problem had 4 months longer.

If Butterfield is the " obvious" replacement..if so ...who's cover for him ? We started with Murty last season..and his injury was a career-breaker.

 

I still think AP's solution is correct. Proven players at CCC / L1 level who haven't reached a peak yet...back to the drawing board Alan, and tell Mr.Cortese to bring his cheque book again. It's still only pre-season training....oh and BTW who's the cover for Ricky Lambert going to be ?

 

so because Frazer is out for the first few weeks of the season we need to sign another RB?

If we did that we would be left with (when he is fit again a few weeks into the season):

your suggested new signing

the league 1 RB of the season

a RB who played 40 games in CCC last season

 

That would be ridiculous amount of depth to keep happy for the rest of the season.

 

I would rather, if we are that unlucky to lose both our new RBs to injury, use Harding or a young player. Probably would not be able to get a better RB than Harding anyway as they would be being signed as a 3rd choice for league 1!

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Hence why Butterfield probably only signed 1 year deal,and also probably as has already been alluded too,why the injury was not announced earlier.[until Butterfield was signed]. The club appear to have moved quickly here to sign a replacement,and have to be commended for doing so.

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so because Frazer is out for the first few weeks of the season we need to sign another RB?

If we did that we would be left with (when he is fit again a few weeks into the season):

your suggested new signing

the league 1 RB of the season

a RB who played 40 games in CCC last season

 

That would be ridiculous amount of depth to keep happy for the rest of the season.

 

I would rather, if we are that unlucky to lose both our new RBs to injury, use Harding or a young player. Probably would not be able to get a better RB than Harding anyway as they would be being signed as a 3rd choice for league 1!

 

I agree with you

 

Could possibly use Martin or Fonte as the Last Resort

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NickG

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no quote is

 

" Frazer is likely to be ruled out of action for around three months, meaning that he will almost certainly miss the start of the new campaign."

 

strange bit being start of season is 3 weeks away not 3 months?

 

No chance the OS made a typo and put month instead of week??

 

would fit in with almost certainly miss start of season.

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The sorry truth is that having spent 450K on a L1 class RB , we are no further ahead in solving our problem.

The only consolation being that ..had it been September, we'd have the problem had 4 months longer.

If Butterfield is the " obvious" replacement..if so ...who's cover for him ? We started with Murty last season..and his injury was a career-breaker.

 

I still think AP's solution is correct. Proven players at CCC / L1 level who haven't reached a peak yet...back to the drawing board Alan, and tell Mr.Cortese to bring his cheque book again. It's still only pre-season training....oh and BTW who's the cover for Ricky Lambert going to be ?

Tosh, the truth is that we have adequate cover for Richardson, firstly in Butterfield (maybe why he was signed, don't know) and with Harding as further cover, as shown by his coming on for Butterfield yesterday). We have 3 LBs (Harding, Dickson and Mills, and Seaborne is also able to play LB) so there really is no need to go out and get more cover. We have the cover, we don't need cover for the cover. Dislocated shoulder is not good, but it doesn't have to hurt fitness levels too much, 3 months seems a tad conservative to me but we'll see.

 

Where we do need more cover is CM and for Rickie, Connolly and Barnard are not cover for RL, they complement him. Not sure whether we need cover for GK, the situaton with Bart seems unclear.

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hopefully not as bad as Walcotts!

 

His account of the shoulder injury he sustained during an England training session in Berlin in November is not one for the squeamish.

‘The problem with my shoulders was something I inherited from my dad,’ he says. ‘The left one would pop out and then pop back in — absolute agony — during almost

every game last season, so I had surgery to put it right last summer.

‘But in Berlin Scott Parker gave me a bit of a nudge, I slipped on the wet ground and the right one went. It popped out and popped back in like the left one always did. So I

kept going. We were playing Germany the next day and I wanted to be involved.

‘Then, though, I went up for this ball and when I was spinning in the air the shoulder dislocated again. And this time it stayed out. The pain was unbelievable.’

 

The doctors told him he had suffered what they call a fractured dislocation. ‘On the left I’d just had to have keyhole surgery,’ he says. ‘But this one needed open surgery. They needed to stitch back the bone.

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no quote is

 

" Frazer is likely to be ruled out of action for around three months, meaning that he will almost certainly miss the start of the new campaign."

 

strange bit being start of season is 3 weeks away not 3 months?

 

No, it says he is likely to be ruled out for around 3 months, hence the 'almost certainly'.

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This is exactly why people like me are bemoaning lack of squad depth.

 

If Schneiderlin gets injured, we are going to have major problems.

if Scheiderlin gets injured we will have problems with or without cover. Getting someone in as good as him will be very difficult/expensive. Your solution?
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if Scheiderlin gets injured we will have problems with or without cover. Getting someone in as good as him will be very difficult/expensive. Your solution?

 

Get someone with as close to his skill set as possible; doesnt matter if he is not quite as good. I'd even stomach Oakley coming back if that is really as close as we can get.

 

Why have you got to be so argumentative about it ?

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