A few rumours

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Papa Waigo's agent at the game yesterday, a deal could be sorted this week

NC been on holiday for 3 weeks, one week to go, flew in especially for game

AP won't make it to Xmas no matter how we are doing

last home game of 09-10 NC told pre-match pitch announcer on no account praise AP

 

Don't shoot the messenger - just passing on what was doing the rounds upstairs. All good sources.

[Alain Perrin]

Good, I like Papa. I think he brings something different.

 

I bet AP will survive if we've made it into the Champions League.....

 

Your last point may be true, but it is a matter of interpretation... i.e. make sure you praise the players, not the manager.

 

Thanks for the info.

[Toomer]

Papa Waigo's agent at the game yesterday, a deal could be sorted this week

NC been on holiday for 3 weeks, one week to go, flew in especially for game

AP won't make it to Xmas no matter how we are doing

last home game of 09-10 NC told pre-match pitch announcer on no account praise AP

 

Don't shoot the messenger - just passing on what was doing the rounds upstairs. All good sources.

 

Duncan my gut feeling is that if we are not a least in the top four at Xmas NC will show AP the door.

[Window Cleaner]

Duncan my gut feeling is that if we are not a least in the top four at Xmas NC will show AP the door.

 

I'd even go as far as saying it's top 2 by mid-November or bust.

Anything less will be considered as a failure by the vast majority of supporters and no doubt all of the top management.

[alehouseboys]

AP won't make it to Xmas no matter how we are doing

 

Even if we were way out in front at the top...imagine the outcry. Cortese would need the skin of a croc to ride out that scenario.

 

Fans, players, football in general would be at him...could change a season dramatically. Imagine blowing promotion from such a position.

 

Thankfully only a rumour.

[alpine_saint]

Papa Waigo's agent at the game yesterday, a deal could be sorted this week - good news. But is it because Papa hasnt got a better offer ?

NC been on holiday for 3 weeks, one week to go, flew in especially for game

AP won't make it to Xmas no matter how we are doing - if we are 10 points ahead, I find it difficult to beleive. But I do reckon he had his arm twisted to keep him for this season

last home game of 09-10 NC told pre-match pitch announcer on no account praise AP - if NC has already made his mind up in his head that AP is history, this fits.

 

Don't shoot the messenger - just passing on what was doing the rounds upstairs. All good sources.

 

If NC has already made his mind up, I wonder if he is dragging his feet on transfers, planning to use poor results in August to sack AP, and is keeping the money for the new manager ?

 

So that a new manager would have transfer time, it seems to me this might come to a head in the next 2 weeks.

[Deppo]

It's amazing how those people who claim to love the club dearest of all are the first to publish unsettling rumours. People are more interested in self-promotion than Saints on this board these days.

[saint lard]

If NC has already made his mind up that AP has outstayed his usefulness,hence the rumours towards the end of last season,and these being re-ignited again so soon,then just bloody get him out now if he really thinks it is viable.

NC must be a loon if he thinks someone else will come in and magically make us unbeatable.

This constant questioning over APs' tenure is sodding ridiculous.

Stability is key and the overiding factor surely should be that AP has done a pretty good job thus far,imo.

If we go on a run of dissapointing results then so be it,sack him,but until then just let the bloke get on with it.

There appears to have been a breakdown between NC and AP from virtually the moment Pardew took the reigns.

NC obviously did'nt do his homework on AP and his interviewing skills are obviously flawed.

Why employ him in the first place as it seems he thinks he can get someone better from the moment AP was offered the position.

All imo.

[SO16_Saint]

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

[trousers]

Even if we were way out in front at the top...imagine the outcry. Cortese would need the skin of a croc to ride out that scenario.

 

Or.... he has a new manager lined up with such a high profile and calibre that fickle football fans would soon forget the AP 'outcry'?

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

If NC has already made his mind up that AP has outstayed his usefulness,hence the rumours towards the end of last season,and these being re-ignited again so soon,then just bloody get him out now if he really thinks it is viable.

NC must be a loon if he thinks someone else will come in and magically make us unbeatable.

This constant questioning over APs' tenure is sodding ridiculous.

Stability is key and the overiding factor surely should be that AP has done a pretty good job thus far,imo.

If we go on a run of dissapointing results then so be it,sack him,but until then just let the bloke get on with it.

There appears to have been a breakdown between NC and AP from virtually the moment Pardew took the reigns.

NC obviously did'nt do his homework on AP and his interviewing skills are obviously flawed.

Why employ him in the first place as it seems he thinks he can get someone better from the moment AP was offered the position.

All imo.

 

Very true .

 

A chairman must either back his manager or sack his manager . A halfway house between those two options is the worst of all possible worlds .

[S-Clarke]

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2051138,00.html

 

that's all that needs to be said atm - nothing has changed since the end of last season that would have reversed those toughts, i still believe AP is on a cliff edge - i.e a few dodgy results and he's out, but i don't believe Cortese has already made his mind up otherwise he would have gone last season.

 

''In recent days, there has been much speculation in some of the tabloid national and local press about the position of our First Team Manager, Alan Pardew. This speculation could be interpreted as a deliberate attempt to unsettle both the Club and Alan. Without exception it has been ill-informed. ''

 

''Both Alan and I share these objectives and targets. Although getting the football side right is a serious business, Alan and I have a lot of fun doing it and we are developing a mutual trust.''

[Ponty]

It's amazing how those people who claim to love the club dearest of all are the first to publish unsettling rumours. People are more interested in self-promotion than Saints on this board these days.

 

Now, now. Don't shoot the messenger, remember? It says that clearly in the first post. Blame the originator of the destabilising rumours, not the poor guy who just passes them on to a wider audience.

[Kingsland Codger]

A reminder from 18 May ... http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2051138,00.html

 

"In recent days, there has been much speculation in some of the tabloid national and local press about the position of our First Team Manager, Alan Pardew. . Without exception it has been ill-informed."

[Pilchards]

We don't need this ****e before the start of the season, the most important person for this club is the manager and if he reads this or knows about it then what's the point in busting a gut for the club.

[NickG]

doubt its accuracy.

[Third Division South Days]

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2051138,00.html

 

that's all that needs to be said atm - nothing has changed since the end of last season that would have reversed those toughts, i still believe AP is on a cliff edge - i.e a few dodgy results and he's out, but i don't believe Cortese has already made his mind up otherwise he would have gone last season.

 

''In recent days, there has been much speculation in some of the tabloid national and local press about the position of our First Team Manager, Alan Pardew. This speculation could be interpreted as a deliberate attempt to unsettle both the Club and Alan. Without exception it has been ill-informed. ''

 

''Both Alan and I share these objectives and targets. Although getting the football side right is a serious business, Alan and I have a lot of fun doing it and we are developing a mutual trust.''

 

Excellent post. A statement from the chairman which should be accepted as it stands. I can hear similar conjecture about AP's future in my local which I wouldn't consider worth posting on here. I think we would all agree that if the results don't go right in the first few months then a replacement is likely.(that also probably applies to every other club manager in the country).

Edited 1 August, 2010 by Third Division South Days

[manji]

It's amazing how those people who claim to love the club dearest of all are the first to publish unsettling rumours. People are more interested in self-promotion than Saints on this board these days.

 

Agreed. Self-promotion and distabilisation.

[manji]

Now, now. Don't shoot the messenger, remember? It says that clearly in the first post. Blame the originator of the destabilising rumours, not the poor guy who just passes them on to a wider audience.

 

But would he have passed on a positive Cortese/Pardew rumour ?

[musesaint]

Papa Waigo's agent at the game yesterday, a deal could be sorted this week

NC been on holiday for 3 weeks, one week to go, flew in especially for game

AP won't make it to Xmas no matter how we are doing

last home game of 09-10 NC told pre-match pitch announcer on no account praise AP

 

Don't shoot the messenger - just passing on what was doing the rounds upstairs. All good sources.

 

If the Waigo is back i will jizz myself spontaneously with joy ...provided he hasn't forgotten what the offside rule is over the summer break!

[docker-p]

It's amazing how those people who claim to love the club dearest of all are the first to publish unsettling rumours. People are more interested in self-promotion than Saints on this board these days.

I agree, the last thing we want is people coming onto forums and commenting on anything other than 100% fact. Just imagine how unsettled the players most be now after reading those commments, some of the younger ones may even need counseling!!!!

I think i can speak for all Saints fans when i say we are not in the slightest bit interested in what the chairmen may thinks of the manager, why would we, all we want to read is Henny V type rallying calls.

[John B]

Agreed. Self-promotion and distabilisation.

 

Or just telling the truth

 

It would be good if Papa signed

[John B]

But would he have passed on a positive Cortese/Pardew rumour ?

 

I doubt there are any positive Cortese/Pardew rumours

[Faz]

Duncan,

 

Pointless drivel IMO. Why on earth would NC give Pardew money to spend, in the knowledge he is going to push him out whatever?

 

Have you checked your Bank Account?

[View From The Top]

I would consider myself a supporter of Pardew but I accept that if Saints aren't flying high at, or near the top, by New Year then he'll be sacked.

 

I very much doubt we could get a better manager in as a division three club though.

[docker-p]

Duncan,

 

Pointless drivel IMO. Why on earth would NC give Pardew money to spend, in the knowledge he is going to push him out whatever?

 

Have you checked your Bank Account?

He hasn't or at least not much.

[musesaint]

Very true .

 

A chairman must either back his manager or sack his manager . A halfway house between those two options is the worst of all possible worlds .

 

But exactly where does the halfway house come from ????? ...mostly on here and in the Echo as far as I can see

 

Insofar as Cortese has said anything he has been perfectly clear ...100% clear ... "I back the manager and I'm not going to answer [pathetic] rumours and speculation"

[darranl]

nonsence nc was not at game trust me

[darranl]

also i can see antonio coming back just a hunch

[docker-p]

But exactly where does the halfway house come from ????? ...mostly on here and in the Echo as far as I can see

 

Insofar as Cortese has said anything he has been perfectly clear ...100% clear ... "I back the manager and I'm not going to answer [pathetic] rumours and speculation"

 

NC could have easily ended the rumours himself by saying something along the lines of "i back the manager 100%, i think he is the best manager in the league and I will continue to back etc etc etc. Instead he he just damns AP with faint praise.

Now either NC thinks by not vociferously backing AP he keeps the pressure on, which he thinks is good motivation for him; or he really is not too pleased and is looking for to replace him. Either way thanks to people like FF and the echo etc etc we can get an insight into what's going on and make up are own mind.

[saint77]

But would he have passed on a positive Cortese/Pardew rumour ?

 

AP has a good working relationship with nc and more importantly has great relationship with ML but they

do want top 2 finish and expect it if not it will be time for a change but at the moment no worrys

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Excellent post. A statement from the chairman which should be accepted as it stands. I can hear similar conjecture about AP's future in my local which I wouldn't consider worth posting on here. I think we would all agree that if the results don't go right in the first few months then a replacement is likely.(that also probably applies to every other club manager in the country).

 

With all 'official' statements of this nature (whether it be from Government , big business , or just a football club) the really interesting stuff is often to be found between the lines . Stating that speculation is merely "ill informed" is just about the mildest form of denial you can possibly get away with . If the club had issued a statement with terms such as 'completely false' or 'no truth whatsoever' included in it on the other hand (as they could have) then they would have sounded rather more convincing than they did .

 

All those who follow events at this club closely will be very well aware that there is good reason to believe that the relationship between Nicola Cortese and Alan Pardew has come under enormous strain over the last 12 months - to believe otherwise is yet another example of the 'wishful thinking' that so bedevils this forum .

 

Unlike some on here I thank Duncan for passing on his inside information to us . Ignorance may be bliss for some but frankly I'd rather know what people are saying - even if it is just a rumour at this stage .

Edited 1 August, 2010 by CHAPEL END CHARLIE

[musesaint]

NC could have easily ended the rumours himself by saying something along the lines of "i back the manager 100%, i think he is the best manager in the league and I will continue to back etc etc etc. Instead he he just damns AP with faint praise.

Now either NC thinks by not vociferously backing AP he keeps the pressure on, which he thinks is good motivation for him; or he really is not too pleased and is looking for to replace him. Either way thanks to people like FF and the echo etc etc we can get an insight into what's going on and make up are own mind.

 

As I said ..Cortese has been 100% clear

 

He is not the type of Chairman who is interested in rumours and speculation...and he therefore doesn't fuel them by responding...much as many people on here would like him to

[trousers]

nonsence nc was not at game trust me

 

Source?

[JustMike]

im sorry but..."AP wont make it to xmas no matter how we are doing" must be bollix!

 

I mean come on, if we are top, with a bit of a gap time xmas you really think he would then sack him.

 

Too many people with an axe to grind me thinks

[manji]

I would consider myself a supporter of Pardew but I accept that if Saints aren't flying high at, or near the top, by New Year then he'll be sacked.

 

I very much doubt we could get a better manager in as a division three club though.

 

I agree with that. But Fitzhugh is reporting NC will get rid of Pardew at Xmas even if we are top of the league ! Which of course is nonsense.

[SW11_Saint]

also i can see antonio coming back just a hunch

If it was a straight choice between him and Papa I think I'd go for Antonio - we're going to miss his pace. Hopefully Connelly will have a better year injury-wise, so Papa's loss may be less of an issue. If we sign him mind, great.

 

I hope the stuff FF has passed on is just rumour - I can't see how Cortese could feasibly sack AP if we're 10 points clear at the top at Xmas for example?! - does make my heart sink a bit though hearing all this stuff just before we start what should be one of our most eagerly anticipated seasons for ages.

[John B]

im sorry but..."AP wont make it to xmas no matter how we are doing" must be bollix!

 

I mean come on, if we are top, with a bit of a gap time xmas you really think he would then sack him.

 

Too many people with an axe to grind me thinks

 

Perhaps Pardew will leave Southampton F C because he finds it difficult to work here is another possibility

[docker-p]

I agree with that. But Fitzhugh is reporting NC will get rid of Pardew at Xmas even if we are top of the league ! Which of course is nonsense.

Wrong again. Fitzhugh is not reporting NC will get rid of PArdew at xmas. He is reporting what the conversations/ gosssip was in the lounges with people who might be in a positon to know. We can then draw our own conclusions. I'm glad he takes the trouble to do so, as it's of interest to me as a Saints fan.

[pimpin4rizeal]

all this **** stirring about cortese should stop now!

how ungratefull are some people everything good at this club has been put in place by cortese not despite him.

all these rumours are doing is creating a divide like we used to have in the lowe years

the future at this club is the brightest i can ever remember it, all thanks to cortese and liebherr

lets not the rock the boat i doubt we would get as good a chairman as cortese again !

[trousers]

Wrong again. Fitzhugh is not reporting NC will get rid of PArdew at xmas. He is reporting what the conversations/ gosssip was in the lounges with people who might be in a positon to know. We can then draw our own conclusions.

 

This.

 

FF has made it clear that he heard this as a rumour, not as FACT. By doing so he is conceding that it could all be hearsay or conjecture, or indeed "made up" as some rumours can be. All he's doing is passing on said rumours. That is all.

 

From our friends at Wikipedia:

 

A rumor or rumour (see spelling differences), is often viewed as "an unverified account or explanation of events circulating from person to person and pertaining to an object, event, or issue in public concern" (33)[1] However, a review of the research on rumor conducted by Pendleton in 1998 found that research across sociology, psychology, and communication studies had widely varying definitions of rumor.[2] Thus, rumor is a concept that lacks a particular definition in the social sciences. But most theories agree that rumor involves some kind of a statement whose veracity is not quickly or ever confirmed. In addition, some scholars have identified rumor as a subset of propaganda, the latter another notoriously difficult concept to define. A pioneer of propaganda studies, Harold Lasswell defined propaganda in 1927 as referring "solely to the control of opinion by significant symbols, or, to speak more concretely and less accurately, by stories, rumors, reports, pictures, and other forms of social communication" (1927:9).[3] Rumors are also often discussed with regard to "misinformation" and "disinformation" (the former often seen as simply false and the latter seen as deliberately false, though usually from a government source given to the media or a foreign government).[4] Rumors thus have often been viewed as particular forms of other communication concepts.

[patred44]

If NC has already made his mind up, I wonder if he is dragging his feet on transfers, planning to use poor results in August to sack AP, and is keeping the money for the new manager ?

 

So that a new manager would have transfer time, it seems to me this might come to a head in the next 2 weeks.

 

 

http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/fb_mb.php?m=v&t=3397#9

[docker-p]

This.

 

FF has made it clear that he heard this as a rumour, not as FACT. By doing so he is conceding that it could all be hearsay or conjecture, or indeed "made up" as some rumours can be. All he's doing is passing on said rumours. That is all.

 

From our friends at Wikipedia:

I agree. Not sure of why you included the OED definition of 'rumour' though?

Edited 1 August, 2010 by docker-p

[Millbrook Saint]

So what we're saying is Nicola, who is super secretive about every deal the club do has said to someone 'I'm going to sack Pardew by Christmas, no matter what', this person has then gone to ff and repeated what he was told, knowing full well he'll post it on the internet. I would have thought if Nicola thought this he would keep it to himself rather than talking to some blabber mouth.

 

The first 2 points fair enough, any player would probably know who Papa's agent is, so 2 and 2 put together, likewise any employee would know Nicola's been away.

 

I think someone is using ff for their own agenda knowing full well he likes to stir trouble and will post what he's been told on the internet.

[Pilchards]

Last game of the season we had vicious rumours going around the stadium/echo and radio, first game back it all starts again. Why do these people that love to cause trouble shut up for once and move on.

We had a great statement from Cortese in the season break which backed AP all the way and dismissed the stupid stuff being said.

Maybe its time to remind those who love a rumour to shut up and support the club.

[shurlock]

And who would know what NC's plans are? Doubt he confides in any of the old guard that still hang about the club and those to whom he does confide are sworn to strict Swiss-style secrecy. He's the kind of guy who picks his allies carefully and probably doesnt even discuss sensitive matters with them should they be misunderstood or publicised (the Echo event has been chastening), so i wonder how a rumour could even get going.

 

There are morons on this forum who want to have their cake and eat it in their undefined bid to destabilise and unsettle. They're happy to jump on any rumours that knock NC while simultaneously and merrily berating the guy's maniacal dictatorial tendencies and of course dictators are the first people you would expect to open their mouths and reveal their plans....

Edited 1 August, 2010 by shurlock

[Elmore]

Last game of the season we had vicious rumours going around the stadium/echo and radio, first game back it all starts again. Why do these people that love to cause trouble shut up for once and move on.

We had a great statement from Cortese in the season break which backed AP all the way and dismissed the stupid stuff being said.

Maybe its time to remind those who love a rumour to shut up and support the club.

 

Agreed - these rumours about Pardew and Cortese don't sound credible. The fact no-one has put their name to them make me believe them even less. Some people certainly seem to have an agenda. Wish they would p*ss off.

[buctootim]

So what we're saying is Nicola, who is super secretive about every deal the club do has said to someone 'I'm going to sack Pardew by Christmas, no matter what', this person has then gone to ff and repeated what he was told, knowing full well he'll post it on the internet. I would have thought if Nicola thought this he would keep it to himself rather than talking to some blabber mouth.

 

The first 2 points fair enough, any player would probably know who Papa's agent is, so 2 and 2 put together, likewise any employee would know Nicola's been away.

 

I think someone is using ff for their own agenda knowing full well he likes to stir trouble and will post what he's been told on the internet.

 

This

[John B]

Agreed - these rumours about Pardew and Cortese don't sound credible. The fact no-one has put their name to them make me believe them even less. Some people certainly seem to have an agenda. Wish they would p*ss off.

 

The rumours do exist whether you like them or not

 

But they are only rumours and the contents may not come to be.

[Whitey Grandad]

Hmmm... I sincerely hope that we don't do anything rash at Christmas. Anything less than 10 points adrift is nothing to get too concerned about. And How many times has a club that's streets ahead at 23 games ended up struggling to make the playoffs?