doubleonothing Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 Breaking news on BBC1 news. Looks like she's tied up alongside the QE2 berth (think that tends to be where they go) Not saying if the shooting is on or near. Helicopter landed near VTS
doubleonothing Posted 8 April, 2011 Author Posted 8 April, 2011 From the BBC News website - Now saying near the sub. Shooting' near submarine HMS Astute in Southampton Two people have been hurt in a shooting at Southampton docks near to where the nuclear submarine HMS Astute is currently berthed, the BBC understands. The nuclear-powered submarine has been docked in Southampton since Wednesday as part of a five-day visit. The area around the docks have been sealed off by officers from Hampshire Police. The Royal Navy or police are yet to officially comment on the incident. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-13014640
Wurzel Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 Probably some anti nuclear hippy Thought they used flowers, not guns
Thedelldays Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 Thought they used flowers, not guns You would be surprised what some of those utter morons do.. Saying that.. It could be anything.. Astute would have it's own gun sentry an SA80 and casco baton
Wurzel Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 News now confirming shooting took place ON the sub, not nearby. Also not terrorist related
doubleonothing Posted 8 April, 2011 Author Posted 8 April, 2011 Jst flicked on the BBC News channel They are saying that the shots took place on the vessel. 2 injured, 1 man arrested.
Thedelldays Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 My bet is that someone, a sailor with a gun decided to go mental. Someone came on and threatened with a deadly weapon.. Which can be Many things Or the gun guard was ****ing about
Wurzel Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 Echo now reporting one fatality http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/8963864.Shooting_at_Southampton_docks/
Thedelldays Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 Cant see how it would be an accident as the gun guard had a loaded magazine but does not have a round in the chamber. You have to make ready the weapon which is not usually done by accident Someone could have threatened with a deadly weapon and the escalation of force meant they were shot dead... Well, you don't shoot someone to injure them anyway
suewhistle Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 Cabin fever? speaking as someone who gets claustrophobia...
Viking Warrior Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 For a brief momnet > I thought Delldays had lost the plot with his boss who he detests.
dronskisaint Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 You would be surprised what some of those utter morons do.. Saying that.. It could be anything.. Astute would have it's own gun sentry an SA80 and casco baton Apparently utter morons shooting each other?
Weston Super Saint Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 Now being reported as one crew member attacking two more crew members. Maybe someone stole the Golden Rivet
redkeith Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 That boat seems to be cursed. First it runs aground, now this. Should have been called HMS Albatros. Still, at least it's not full of radiactive material. .... D'oh !
dubai_phil Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 should have used a "sub"machine gun? Helluva way to protest about redundancy tho
Gingeletiss Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 (edited) ....... Edited 8 April, 2011 by Gingeletiss Too close to the truth!
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 Never a dull day in the RN Have you left then? Oh!
Smirking_Saint Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 Cant see how it would be an accident as the gun guard had a loaded magazine but does not have a round in the chamber. You have to make ready the weapon which is not usually done by accident Someone could have threatened with a deadly weapon and the escalation of force meant they were shot dead... Well, you don't shoot someone to injure them anyway Actually you do, which is why the US Military changed their rounds to 5 1/2's. They believe that if you injure someone on the battle field then it ties up more men than if you shoot them dead. I get the logic, however if it was me i would rather shoot to kill TBH
Verbal Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 Inside job then - a rating killing an officer. Life on subs sounds fun.
Thedelldays Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 9mm pistol?? Did not know thy carried those weapons..?
Thedelldays Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 Inside job then - a rating killing an officer. Life on subs sounds fun. Yeah, it's a hoot.!!
Thedelldays Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 For a brief momnet > I thought Delldays had lost the plot with his boss who he detests. Well someone really hated their boss it seems.. I wonder if I know who are involved.. Possibly not I should imagine
Crab Lungs Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 Do submariners normally have weapons aboard the subs usually, TDD?
Thedelldays Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 Do submariners normally have weapons aboard the subs usually, TDD? Certainly do. Although they are locked away and only the armed guard has a loaded rifle.
Crab Lungs Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 Certainly do. And they're to hand, pretty much all the time? I was just trying to figure if everyone was walking around with weapons and how accessible they were? Fair do's. I suppose you can never account for someone flipping out like that though
View From The Top Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 Cant see how it would be an accident as the gun guard had a loaded magazine but does not have a round in the chamber. You have to make ready the weapon which is not usually done by accident Someone could have threatened with a deadly weapon and the escalation of force meant they were shot dead... Well, you don't shoot someone to injure them anyway During my time in we had a QM who shot his BM and a QM who shot himself when on watch.
View From The Top Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 9mm pistol?? Did not know thy carried those weapons..? When QM I carried a Browning 9mm as did the BM. Upper deck sentries carried SA80s.
Thedelldays Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 During my time in we had a QM who shot his BM and a QM who shot himself when on watch. Was that on the armarni?? Or what ever it was called..!! When they were pretending to have a dual at 10 paces???
doubleonothing Posted 8 April, 2011 Author Posted 8 April, 2011 Jst been speaking to an ex-submariner who has been informed that the upper deck officer shot the weapons officer and the marine officer. TDD can you explain the job titles? Think thats the sentry, the weapons engineer officer and the Chief Engineer? N
View From The Top Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 Was that on the armarni?? Or what ever it was called..!! When they were pretending to have a dual at 10 paces??? Crikey, now your asking. The suicide was deffo a Guzz based towed array Leander and IIRC the shooting was a pompey based 42, but may well have been a Guzz based 21.
Window Cleaner Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 Jst been speaking to an ex-submariner who has been informed that the upper deck officer shot the weapons officer and the marine officer. TDD can you explain the job titles? Think thats the sentry, the weapons engineer officer and the Chief Engineer? N Perhaps it's like the USS Alabama, someone wanted to nuke some rogue nation and the other didn't. On the other hand it's more likely about some tart or other because most seemingly inexplicable acts are.
lumuah Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 According to telegraph, the officer was shot dead during an armed guard changeover. Apparently the mayor of southampton (or one of his party) helped disarm the shooter. RIP
Thedelldays Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 Jst been speaking to an ex-submariner who has been informed that the upper deck officer shot the weapons officer and the marine officer. TDD can you explain the job titles? Think thats the sentry, the weapons engineer officer and the Chief Engineer? N more than likely (just by going what you have said) that the armed sentry has shot the Weapons Engineering Officer (WEO) and the Marine Engineering officer (MEO).. they are head of departments and are the same rank as the Executive officer who is 2nd in command.. all are Leuitentant Commanders (LT CDRs)
Thedelldays Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 just by going what the news say..and I dont know any inside info yet...... I would say that one lad has just lost it.....had enough of some utter ****s on board and lost it.........
Turkish Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 just by going what the news say..and I dont know any inside info yet...... I would say that one lad has just lost it.....had enough of some utter ****s on board and lost it......... Jamie!!! You're alive/not in the nick, thank god, i was worried about you!!
benjii Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 For a brief momnet > I thought Delldays had lost the plot with his boss who he detests. That was my first thought.
Deppo Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 This could have been thedelldays if he was on duty when we went 2-0 down to MK Dons. Luckily he was sat in front of his computer rather than a weapons arsenal and all we ended up with was a post about the play offs.
Thedelldays Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 well, it was deffo no accident, 6 shots were fired....
Saint137 Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 Thank god Royston was there to wrestle him to the ground, god knows what Southampton would do without him.
tony13579 Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 Southampton's mayor is such a dangerous job! One died when the flying boat crashed. Another involved in a shoot out in a tin can. Any more incidents in history?
Minsk Posted 8 April, 2011 Posted 8 April, 2011 (edited) When QM I carried a Browning 9mm as did the BM. Upper deck sentries carried SA80s. Was that on the armarni?? Or what ever it was called..!! When they were pretending to have a dual at 10 paces??? Crikey, now your asking. The suicide was deffo a Guzz based towed array Leander and IIRC the shooting was a pompey based 42, but may well have been a Guzz based 21. I'm pretty sure the 'duel' incident was on a Pompey based Leander, as an old oppo of mine was the Duty PO at the time of the incident. From memory, it was during Xmas leave period, I think on New Year's Eve. They had had a few tinnies (beers) which is a strict no, no when carrying weapons. I am trying hard now to remember the suicide incident. I was one of the first Towed Array operators in the RN. My first ship was Lowestoft, when Towed Array was being trialed. I was on her for the first ever operational Towed Array patrol. I seen to recall though that the Leanders were Pompey based (Lowestoft definitely was) and that the subsequent TA Ships, Type 22's, were Guzz based. Their replacements, type 23's, were split between Pompey and Guzz. For sure, I concur that the QM and BM were always armed with Browning 9mm pistols and the Upper Deck Sentry had an SA80. N.B. My avatar is the Towed Array (Passive SONAR) crest - which was designed by an AB® called Spider Webb (I was sat next to him as he drew the original draft). Edited 8 April, 2011 by Minsk addition of N.B.
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