MINIBARCELONASAINT Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2360934,00.html "Going back to my old club will be a massive one for me up at Derby, but I've not looked too far ahead I'm just happy to be back in The Championship and playing on a stage where this club belongs." I would be happy, very good player when playing, I doubt he's on colossus wages either. Adkins wants a squad of players, and he's very much a team player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 Agreed! Lets hope we get a fair few more games out of him next season than we did this season though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 It was said in a prior thread that he has one year left on his contract, therefore it is not expiring this summer as many anticipated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 Agreed. He has had a torrid time with injuries but suspect our current medical staff will get him sorted to give him a good season in the NPFL. Can see him featuring regularly and a good 'impact sub' for Lallana or Chambo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanh Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 If we could I would let him go. He delivers a nice cross but doesn't have enough pace to really worry defenders and is as injury prone as Owen Hargreaves. Simply not worth continuing to pay wages. Having said all that I doubt many clubs are going to be interested in taking him off our hands because of his injury record so I expect him to still be with us next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 If we could I would let him go. He delivers a nice cross but doesn't have enough pace to really worry defenders and is as injury prone as Owen Hargreaves. Simply not worth continuing to pay wages. Having said all that I doubt many clubs are going to be interested in taking him off our hands because of his injury record so I expect him to still be with us next season. This ^^^ How many full games has he actually played since he joined us? Seems like a nice lad but I just don't seem him being anything other than a drain on the clubs resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 Get rid if possible, contributes nothing - no room for sentiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 Can confirm Lee has another year to run on his contract. Unless someone makes an offer for his services, which is unlikely given his injury troubles, he'll be here next season. Adkins rates him, and if he can stay fit, I'm sure he'll have a role to play in our squad in the NPC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 Hope he stays, when fit, I think he is an excellent player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 As a few others have said, get rid. Not good enough + injury prone = deadwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 Can confirm Lee has another year to run on his contract. Unless someone makes an offer for his services, which is unlikely given his injury troubles, he'll be here next season. Adkins rates him, and if he can stay fit, I'm sure he'll have a role to play in our squad in the NPC. What does Nigel rate him on? I think he has only played about 20mins in all the time Nigel has been here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 As a few others have said, get rid. Not good enough + injury prone = deadwood. I disagree - he can beat a man and deliver a good cross. I am not sure what else you want in a winger apart from blistering speed. He hasn't got that but he is not slow either. No, his injury record is his problem but perhaps with NA's background they have given him a better recovery regime. I hope so for the lad's sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelkel31 Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 he may not have blistering top speed but he acceleration is rapid, played high up the pitch this is a potent weapon for a winger and he likes to run at players and beat them either in or outside them. his injury record speaks for itself but if fit even in the NPC i can see him being one of the first names on the bench and one of the impact players nigel like to put on midway through the second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 With Connolly looking much closer to full fitness now, Holmes could well assume the mantle of our best player in the Treatment Room. (Having said that, a fit Holmes brings a very good option at least to the bench. He offers a different style of play to that of say Forte (who has the pace). Some games we will need pace, some we will need balls into the box.) Highly unlikely anyone will want to buy him. Not many would take him on long loans and why pay up his contract when we could in theory get a few games out of him. His award as Community Player of the year shows he brings something to the dressing room and the club (as opposed to Puncheon). Maybe this could be his year. He did look to have good potential until crocked by QPR all those decades (it seems) ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 Rarely played in Championship, rarely played in our first League One season, and rarely played last season. A dozen appearances in three years - what's the point? If we keep him on, why didn't we keep Pahars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 I like Holmes and hope we can finally get him for a full season. It's been frustrating knowing that our best crosser is always on the treatment table. If no-one bids for him it's all academic anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 Can confirm Lee has another year to run on his contract. Unless someone makes an offer for his services, which is unlikely given his injury troubles, he'll be here next season. Adkins rates him, and if he can stay fit, I'm sure he'll have a role to play in our squad in the NPC. I have nothing against him, but how can anyone be sure of anything. If he stays I hope his role is more than as a warmer for treatment table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 Would love to see him get a full season under his belt to finally show the club what he's capable of, he looked so gutted when he broke down again this season. Sadly I just can't see it happening I think his body is shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 nice touch and a decent left foot cross, but that is absolutely it. No pace and no engine. Certainly don't think he is good enough or fit enough to play left midfield and get up and down that line all day. He was OK as part of a forward three as he never had to track back, but his lack of pace means he very rarely makes anything happen. Never seen him beat a fullback ever - not exactly what you want on your CV as a left winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2360934,00.html "Going back to my old club will be a massive one for me up at Derby, but I've not looked too far ahead I'm just happy to be back in The Championship and playing on a stage where this club belongs." I would be happy, very good player when playing, I doubt he's on colossus wages either. Adkins wants a squad of players, and he's very much a team player. I don't think we can have TOO many versatile midfielders, especially if they find the back of the net occasionally, (are you listening Morgan ?) ...Just when we worried about the injured Barnard and Guly and the return of Connolly (will he stay fit?) near seasons end.. we suddenly had 4 midfielders out at the same time... and that was without loss of form and suspensions. If the first choice midfielders stay fit, then it'll be hard on those who sit and wait, but for my money it's worth having more fit players raring to go, and who can come on and do a match-winning contribution (as "Jonno " did against MK Dons). If he didn't do anything else, Forte saw too it we got THAT 3 points and thankfully it's them in the play-off scramble and not us. More midfielders ..YES ..bring 'em on ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 He's 24. Past it. Get rid. Actually no...I like him...he can stay... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 We are not exactly over-staffed with players who can put in high quality crosses. He can do so from the touchline, has done so in the Championship before and I would happily have him as one of my seven subs. If fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 nice touch and a decent left foot cross, but that is absolutely it. No pace and no engine. Certainly don't think he is good enough or fit enough to play left midfield and get up and down that line all day. He was OK as part of a forward three as he never had to track back, but his lack of pace means he very rarely makes anything happen. Never seen him beat a fullback ever - not exactly what you want on your CV as a left winger. Good summary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 He is ****e, if he was fit for 90% of the season he would be a half decent squad player, as it is he's useless. I can't think of any telling contributions at all in League one. It's a shame because for the first five games he played for us he looked very dangerous, ever since either injured or ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 Is he related to Anderton by any chance? What is it with wingers and nagging injuries! Hopefully he will do well next season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cestrian Saint Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 You can't hang on to players with an injury record like his. I'd rather see Mills take his place in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 lol. On the basis of the above comments, and knowing our track record of assessing playing ability, this is a cue for Holmes to become player of the year next year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 Nice guy but think it is time to move on the people who have offered nothing to the club since we were in league one. Pullis, Forecast and Holmes should be released. If we want to be challenging for promotion we will need more reliable players then these 3. As others mentioned it makes more sense to have youngsters from the reserves/youth team take their spots in the squad if we are going to take a gamble on players. I don't think any of them are championship level. Where as the kids we don't know yet what level they can play at. Look at what AOC did last season. Much rather try more of the yoof then give Holmes/Pullis or Forecast more time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 To those saying we should move on and get rid, it's not quite as easy as that! Lee has another year to run on his contract, he's not likely to be going anywhere unless we pay him off, and even then he could refuse. If, and it's a big if, he can stay fit, he has a role to play in our squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 Can confirm Lee has another year to run on his contract. Unless someone makes an offer for his services, which is unlikely given his injury troubles, he'll be here next season. Adkins rates him, and if he can stay fit, I'm sure he'll have a role to play in our squad in the NPC. sounds fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0108787 Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 To those saying we should move on and get rid, it's not quite as easy as that! Lee has another year to run on his contract, he's not likely to be going anywhere unless we pay him off, and even then he could refuse. If, and it's a big if, he can stay fit, he has a role to play in our squad. Exactly right. If his injuries are behind him, he could be a huge asset. I for one am really hoping we see the best of him next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 As a few others have said, get rid. Not good enough + injury prone = deadwood. Thats just not true. Under the Dutch pillock we had he was our best player until he got a bad injury at QPR early on. Could definitely do a job in the Championship and if he still has a year of his contract left its not really an issue getting rid of him cos nobody will want him with the injury record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 He would already be about 4th choice wide player for me (if that), and thats before we improve the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 He's had nearly 3 years now...surely that's enough time of saying "if we can get him fit"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 Nice guy but think it is time to move on the people who have offered nothing to the club since we were in league one. Pullis, Forecast and Holmes should be released. If we want to be challenging for promotion we will need more reliable players then these 3. As others mentioned it makes more sense to have youngsters from the reserves/youth team take their spots in the squad if we are going to take a gamble on players. I don't think any of them are championship level. Where as the kids we don't know yet what level they can play at. Look at what AOC did last season. Much rather try more of the yoof then give Holmes/Pullis or Forecast more time. I think it's a little unfair to put him in the bracket of Pulis and Forecast... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 I think it's a little unfair to put him in the bracket of Pulis and Forecast... Why? He has played 20 league games in 3 years for us and not scored once. Has been injured for the majority of that time. What will be different this time around? People slag off Forecast or Pullis but why not Holmes? Connolly has severe injury problems too but when he does get fit he makes a difference to the team. His goals at the end of the season show that. I don't think Holmes is good enough for the championship based on what he has done since he was there with Derby in 2004. AOC and Lallana are the type of quality we have and Holmes is nowhere near that level. Now that maybe harsh but as i said before if we want to improve and get out of the championship we need players who add quality to our squad. I don't think we can be sentimental about players who could of made it had they not been injured. 3 years is plenty of time to pass judgement and i don't think we should carry players who offered nothing in the past 3 years. In that regards he is in the same group as Pullis and Forecast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 Why? He has played 20 league games in 3 years for us and not scored once. Has been injured for the majority of that time. What will be different this time around? People slag off Forecast or Pullis but why not Holmes? Connolly has severe injury problems too but when he does get fit he makes a difference to the team. His goals at the end of the season show that. I don't think Holmes is good enough for the championship based on what he has done since he was there with Derby in 2004. AOC and Lallana are the type of quality we have and Holmes is nowhere near that level. Now that maybe harsh but as i said before if we want to improve and get out of the championship we need players who add quality to our squad. I don't think we can be sentimental about players who could of made it had they not been injured. 3 years is plenty of time to pass judgement and i don't think we should carry players who offered nothing in the past 3 years. In that regards he is in the same group as Pullis and Forecast. wow is it really that many? is that full games or does it include sub apperances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 What a waste of money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 I don't think we can have TOO many versatile midfielders, especially if they find the back of the net occasionally, (are you listening Morgan ?) remind me how many goals Holmes has scored for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 I think it's a little unfair to put him in the bracket of Pulis and Forecast... Exactly what I was just about to write. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 Lee has another year to run on his contract, he's not likely to be going anywhere unless we pay him off, and even then he could refuse. four ****ing years? He was released by Derby FFS and widely regarded as lightweight with no end product yet we offer him four years. Madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 That was in the crazy days of Ryan Smith being compared to Arjen Robben wasn't it? Good times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 He's had nearly 3 years now...surely that's enough time of saying "if we can get him fit"? OK, so what do you propose? He is contracted to the club for another year. Who do you think will buy him with his record? So to get rid of as many say we will have to pay his wages in full for a year. Or do we wait to see if we can get one or even 10 games out of him for the SAME money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 17 May, 2011 Share Posted 17 May, 2011 That was in the crazy days of Ryan Smith being compared to Arjen Robben wasn't it? Good times... and BWP to Torres. those were the days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 18 May, 2011 Share Posted 18 May, 2011 wow is it really that many? is that full games or does it include sub apperances? First season he made 11 starts none as sub. Second year made 2 starts and 3 as sub And third year no starts and 7 as sub Meaning in 3 seasons he started 13 starts and 10 sub appearances. No goals He did however score in the league cup against then league 2 side Exeter. Really struggle to see how anyone thinks giving him even more time is worth it. We let go so many players who have done more for the club, James,Murty,Thomas,Wotton,Trotman,Mellis,Patterson,Gillet,Perry,Saiejs,Euell and so on. Being injured is unfortunate, you have to feel sorry for the guy. But to be going into the 4th year now and having started only 13 games (average of 4 a season) and only 2 in the last 24 months is not good enough. It is like with Hargreaves at Man Utd. They will release him because he get's injured, is then out for rest of the season, they then try and get him fit again. A never ending circle. As i mentioned above if he was an impact player and changed games when he came on or scored some goals like Connolly then it is worth the gamble. But he has done nothing like that. In his entire time here he has set up only 2 goals. People like Puncheon have scored more and set up more and people want to ship him out. Even before he got in the huff people were on his back. It seems to me Holmes is immune from the same criticism that others get. Which is wrong imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 18 May, 2011 Share Posted 18 May, 2011 So many posters on here complain about how the club is not as family orientated as in past times. Yet here we have a lad of just 24 who after being very unlucky with injury doesn't just say "hey ho, at least I've got a pay packet", but goes out into the community and puts a great effort into helping the less fortunate in Southampton. Thankfully he's been rewarded for that effort. I hope he can get fit enough to play a bigger role this season - he could be Rickie's 'best friend' in terms of assists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 18 May, 2011 Share Posted 18 May, 2011 I saw him at one of the community events - was clearly in a lot of pain from his ankle but when kids were around was smiling and chatting. Imagine many pros would have stayed at homer on xbox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 18 May, 2011 Share Posted 18 May, 2011 So many posters on here complain about how the club is not as family orientated as in past times. Yet here we have a lad of just 24 who after being very unlucky with injury doesn't just say "hey ho, at least I've got a pay packet", but goes out into the community and puts a great effort into helping the less fortunate in Southampton. Thankfully he's been rewarded for that effort. I hope he can get fit enough to play a bigger role this season - he could be Rickie's 'best friend' in terms of assists. Agreed. The attitude on here stinks quite frankly. Good to hear that Lee's doesn't though. [video=youtube;hMoRitN8-9c] A little video for some of you struggling to remember the finer sides of Lee's game. I prefer not to concentrate on the negatives personally. As you can see he is in actual fact capable of displaying both pace and the ability to beat a man. Nice goal against Birmingham at the end as well. Now i'm not saying he's a world beater. But he is a pretty capable footballer when fit. And as such since he has a contract with us for another year (rightly or wrongly) we may as well use him as a squad player. Just cannot see any real reason why it would make sense to pay up a footballer's contract when he could become of use. And since Nige has seen fit to include him on the subs bench on several occasions this season i can only assume he's seen something in training that he likes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 18 May, 2011 Share Posted 18 May, 2011 While not up there with the Ashes Test Series prediction by Alps, pretty sure that this thread will contain some superb entries for Saints Web End of Season Awards in summer 2012. Just have to wait & see which side is right. But still lol'ing at those who can't read or don't understand the definition of under "Contract" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 18 May, 2011 Share Posted 18 May, 2011 Agreed. The attitude on here stinks quite frankly. Good to hear that Lee's doesn't though. [video=youtube;hMoRitN8-9c] A little video for some of you struggling to remember the finer sides of Lee's game. I prefer not to concentrate on the negatives personally. As you can see he is in actual fact capable of displaying both pace and the ability to beat a man. Nice goal against Birmingham at the end as well. Now i'm not saying he's a world beater. But he is a pretty capable footballer when fit. And as such since he has a contract with us for another year (rightly or wrongly) we may as well use him as a squad player. Just cannot see any real reason why it would make sense to pay up a footballer's contract when he could become of use. And since Nige has seen fit to include him on the subs bench on several occasions this season i can only assume he's seen something in training that he likes. How does the attitudes stink? The video you posted is a skills video with no goals and no assists. In fact if anything it shows that while he can run past a defender here or there he can't shoot and can't cross. There must of been 10 one on ones there and he missed them all..... As i tried to imply before are we buying/keeping players on their football ability or for sentimental reasons? I have respect for Lee as a person and what work he has put in the community. But i'd also like to respect him for his ability on the field and the things he has done for the team in the 3 years he has been here. After all the team is what we pay hundreds of pounds to see right?. And that is what he is paid thousands of pounds to be involved with right? So you might think it is a bad attitude or whatever but i think it is being realistic. If we signed a winger who had not scored a league goal in 3 years, made only 2 starts in 2 years and was injured for most of the past 36 months people would think it was a stupid deal. Why can that logic not apply to players we already have? And if you mention it then why does it make you look bad? Should someone like that be given a life long contract then? And Dubai i hope your right. Because i don't mind being wrong. I hope he stays fit and helps the team to get out of the NPC. Hope he plays above what we have seen of him and scores some vital goals. But i doubt the bookies would give you very good odds on that. As for the contract thing i am sure they would have a good case for it to be terminated by mutual consent. I don't think Lee would be the type to sit around doing nothing while picking up his cheque. But i am sure even he would understand if the club came to him and said look it's been over three years now. We stuck by you but we need to think of the future. And offer a termination deal. It happens at every club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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