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"Going back to my old club will be a massive one for me up at Derby, but I've not looked too far ahead I'm just happy to be back in The Championship and playing on a stage where this club belongs."

 

I would be happy, very good player when playing, I doubt he's on colossus wages either. Adkins wants a squad of players, and he's very much a team player.

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Agreed. He has had a torrid time with injuries but suspect our current medical staff will get him sorted to give him a good season in the NPFL. Can see him featuring regularly and a good 'impact sub' for Lallana or Chambo.

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If we could I would let him go. He delivers a nice cross but doesn't have enough pace to really worry defenders and is as injury prone as Owen Hargreaves. Simply not worth continuing to pay wages. Having said all that I doubt many clubs are going to be interested in taking him off our hands because of his injury record so I expect him to still be with us next season.

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If we could I would let him go. He delivers a nice cross but doesn't have enough pace to really worry defenders and is as injury prone as Owen Hargreaves. Simply not worth continuing to pay wages. Having said all that I doubt many clubs are going to be interested in taking him off our hands because of his injury record so I expect him to still be with us next season.

 

This ^^^ How many full games has he actually played since he joined us? Seems like a nice lad but I just don't seem him being anything other than a drain on the clubs resources.

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Can confirm Lee has another year to run on his contract.

 

Unless someone makes an offer for his services, which is unlikely given his injury troubles, he'll be here next season.

 

Adkins rates him, and if he can stay fit, I'm sure he'll have a role to play in our squad in the NPC.

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Can confirm Lee has another year to run on his contract.

 

Unless someone makes an offer for his services, which is unlikely given his injury troubles, he'll be here next season.

 

Adkins rates him, and if he can stay fit, I'm sure he'll have a role to play in our squad in the NPC.

 

What does Nigel rate him on? I think he has only played about 20mins in all the time Nigel has been here.

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As a few others have said, get rid. Not good enough + injury prone = deadwood.

I disagree - he can beat a man and deliver a good cross. I am not sure what else you want in a winger apart from blistering speed. He hasn't got that but he is not slow either. No, his injury record is his problem but perhaps with NA's background they have given him a better recovery regime. I hope so for the lad's sake.

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he may not have blistering top speed but he acceleration is rapid, played high up the pitch this is a potent weapon for a winger and he likes to run at players and beat them either in or outside them. his injury record speaks for itself but if fit even in the NPC i can see him being one of the first names on the bench and one of the impact players nigel like to put on midway through the second half.

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With Connolly looking much closer to full fitness now, Holmes could well assume the mantle of our best player in the Treatment Room.

 

(Having said that, a fit Holmes brings a very good option at least to the bench. He offers a different style of play to that of say Forte (who has the pace). Some games we will need pace, some we will need balls into the box.)

 

Highly unlikely anyone will want to buy him. Not many would take him on long loans and why pay up his contract when we could in theory get a few games out of him. His award as Community Player of the year shows he brings something to the dressing room and the club (as opposed to Puncheon).

 

Maybe this could be his year. He did look to have good potential until crocked by QPR all those decades (it seems) ago

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Rarely played in Championship, rarely played in our first League One season, and rarely played last season. A dozen appearances in three years - what's the point? If we keep him on, why didn't we keep Pahars?

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Can confirm Lee has another year to run on his contract.

 

Unless someone makes an offer for his services, which is unlikely given his injury troubles, he'll be here next season.

 

Adkins rates him, and if he can stay fit, I'm sure he'll have a role to play in our squad in the NPC.

 

I have nothing against him, but how can anyone be sure of anything. If he stays I hope his role is more than as a warmer for treatment table.

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Would love to see him get a full season under his belt to finally show the club what he's capable of, he looked so gutted when he broke down again this season. Sadly I just can't see it happening I think his body is shot.

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nice touch and a decent left foot cross, but that is absolutely it. No pace and no engine. Certainly don't think he is good enough or fit enough to play left midfield and get up and down that line all day. He was OK as part of a forward three as he never had to track back, but his lack of pace means he very rarely makes anything happen. Never seen him beat a fullback ever - not exactly what you want on your CV as a left winger.

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http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2360934,00.html

 

"Going back to my old club will be a massive one for me up at Derby, but I've not looked too far ahead I'm just happy to be back in The Championship and playing on a stage where this club belongs."

 

I would be happy, very good player when playing, I doubt he's on colossus wages either. Adkins wants a squad of players, and he's very much a team player.

 

I don't think we can have TOO many versatile midfielders, especially if they find the back of the net occasionally, (are you listening Morgan ?)

...Just when we worried about the injured Barnard and Guly and the return of Connolly (will he stay fit?) near seasons end.. we suddenly had 4 midfielders out at the same time... and that was without loss of form and suspensions.

 

If the first choice midfielders stay fit, then it'll be hard on those who sit and wait, but for my money it's worth having more fit players raring to go, and who can come on and do a match-winning contribution (as "Jonno " did against MK Dons).

If he didn't do anything else, Forte saw too it we got THAT 3 points and thankfully it's them in the play-off scramble and not us.

 

More midfielders ..YES ..bring 'em on !

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nice touch and a decent left foot cross, but that is absolutely it. No pace and no engine. Certainly don't think he is good enough or fit enough to play left midfield and get up and down that line all day. He was OK as part of a forward three as he never had to track back, but his lack of pace means he very rarely makes anything happen. Never seen him beat a fullback ever - not exactly what you want on your CV as a left winger.

 

Good summary.

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He is ****e, if he was fit for 90% of the season he would be a half decent squad player, as it is he's useless.

 

I can't think of any telling contributions at all in League one. It's a shame because for the first five games he played for us he looked very dangerous, ever since either injured or ****.

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Nice guy but think it is time to move on the people who have offered nothing to the club since we were in league one. Pullis, Forecast and Holmes should be released. If we want to be challenging for promotion we will need more reliable players then these 3. As others mentioned it makes more sense to have youngsters from the reserves/youth team take their spots in the squad if we are going to take a gamble on players.

I don't think any of them are championship level. Where as the kids we don't know yet what level they can play at. Look at what AOC did last season. Much rather try more of the yoof then give Holmes/Pullis or Forecast more time.

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To those saying we should move on and get rid, it's not quite as easy as that!

 

Lee has another year to run on his contract, he's not likely to be going anywhere unless we pay him off, and even then he could refuse.

 

If, and it's a big if, he can stay fit, he has a role to play in our squad.

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Can confirm Lee has another year to run on his contract.

 

Unless someone makes an offer for his services, which is unlikely given his injury troubles, he'll be here next season.

 

Adkins rates him, and if he can stay fit, I'm sure he'll have a role to play in our squad in the NPC.

 

sounds fair

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To those saying we should move on and get rid, it's not quite as easy as that!

 

Lee has another year to run on his contract, he's not likely to be going anywhere unless we pay him off, and even then he could refuse.

 

If, and it's a big if, he can stay fit, he has a role to play in our squad.

 

Exactly right.

 

If his injuries are behind him, he could be a huge asset. I for one am really hoping we see the best of him next season.

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As a few others have said, get rid. Not good enough + injury prone = deadwood.

 

Thats just not true. Under the Dutch pillock we had he was our best player until he got a bad injury at QPR early on.

Could definitely do a job in the Championship and if he still has a year of his contract left its not really an issue getting rid of him cos nobody will want him with the injury record.

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Nice guy but think it is time to move on the people who have offered nothing to the club since we were in league one. Pullis, Forecast and Holmes should be released. If we want to be challenging for promotion we will need more reliable players then these 3. As others mentioned it makes more sense to have youngsters from the reserves/youth team take their spots in the squad if we are going to take a gamble on players.

I don't think any of them are championship level. Where as the kids we don't know yet what level they can play at. Look at what AOC did last season. Much rather try more of the yoof then give Holmes/Pullis or Forecast more time.

I think it's a little unfair to put him in the bracket of Pulis and Forecast...

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I think it's a little unfair to put him in the bracket of Pulis and Forecast...

 

Why? He has played 20 league games in 3 years for us and not scored once. Has been injured for the majority of that time. What will be different this time around? People slag off Forecast or Pullis but why not Holmes? Connolly has severe injury problems too but when he does get fit he makes a difference to the team. His goals at the end of the season show that. I don't think Holmes is good enough for the championship based on what he has done since he was there with Derby in 2004. AOC and Lallana are the type of quality we have and Holmes is nowhere near that level. Now that maybe harsh but as i said before if we want to improve and get out of the championship we need players who add quality to our squad. I don't think we can be sentimental about players who could of made it had they not been injured. 3 years is plenty of time to pass judgement and i don't think we should carry players who offered nothing in the past 3 years. In that regards he is in the same group as Pullis and Forecast.

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Why? He has played 20 league games in 3 years for us and not scored once. Has been injured for the majority of that time. What will be different this time around? People slag off Forecast or Pullis but why not Holmes? Connolly has severe injury problems too but when he does get fit he makes a difference to the team. His goals at the end of the season show that. I don't think Holmes is good enough for the championship based on what he has done since he was there with Derby in 2004. AOC and Lallana are the type of quality we have and Holmes is nowhere near that level. Now that maybe harsh but as i said before if we want to improve and get out of the championship we need players who add quality to our squad. I don't think we can be sentimental about players who could of made it had they not been injured. 3 years is plenty of time to pass judgement and i don't think we should carry players who offered nothing in the past 3 years. In that regards he is in the same group as Pullis and Forecast.

 

wow is it really that many? is that full games or does it include sub apperances?

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I don't think we can have TOO many versatile midfielders, especially if they find the back of the net occasionally, (are you listening Morgan ?)

remind me how many goals Holmes has scored for us?
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Lee has another year to run on his contract, he's not likely to be going anywhere unless we pay him off, and even then he could refuse.

 

four ****ing years? He was released by Derby FFS and widely regarded as lightweight with no end product yet we offer him four years. Madness.

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He's had nearly 3 years now...surely that's enough time of saying "if we can get him fit"?

 

OK, so what do you propose?

 

He is contracted to the club for another year. Who do you think will buy him with his record?

 

So to get rid of as many say we will have to pay his wages in full for a year.

 

Or do we wait to see if we can get one or even 10 games out of him for the SAME money?

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wow is it really that many? is that full games or does it include sub apperances?

 

First season he made 11 starts none as sub.

Second year made 2 starts and 3 as sub

And third year no starts and 7 as sub

Meaning in 3 seasons he started 13 starts and 10 sub appearances.

No goals

 

He did however score in the league cup against then league 2 side Exeter.

 

Really struggle to see how anyone thinks giving him even more time is worth it. We let go so many players who have done more for the club, James,Murty,Thomas,Wotton,Trotman,Mellis,Patterson,Gillet,Perry,Saiejs,Euell and so on. Being injured is unfortunate, you have to feel sorry for the guy. But to be going into the 4th year now and having started only 13 games (average of 4 a season) and only 2 in the last 24 months is not good enough. It is like with Hargreaves at Man Utd. They will release him because he get's injured, is then out for rest of the season, they then try and get him fit again. A never ending circle. As i mentioned above if he was an impact player and changed games when he came on or scored some goals like Connolly then it is worth the gamble. But he has done nothing like that. In his entire time here he has set up only 2 goals. People like Puncheon have scored more and set up more and people want to ship him out. Even before he got in the huff people were on his back. It seems to me Holmes is immune from the same criticism that others get. Which is wrong imo.

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So many posters on here complain about how the club is not as family orientated as in past times. Yet here we have a lad of just 24 who after being very unlucky with injury doesn't just say "hey ho, at least I've got a pay packet", but goes out into the community and puts a great effort into helping the less fortunate in Southampton. Thankfully he's been rewarded for that effort. I hope he can get fit enough to play a bigger role this season - he could be Rickie's 'best friend' in terms of assists.

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So many posters on here complain about how the club is not as family orientated as in past times. Yet here we have a lad of just 24 who after being very unlucky with injury doesn't just say "hey ho, at least I've got a pay packet", but goes out into the community and puts a great effort into helping the less fortunate in Southampton. Thankfully he's been rewarded for that effort. I hope he can get fit enough to play a bigger role this season - he could be Rickie's 'best friend' in terms of assists.

Agreed. The attitude on here stinks quite frankly. Good to hear that Lee's doesn't though.

 

[video=youtube;hMoRitN8-9c]

 

A little video for some of you struggling to remember the finer sides of Lee's game. I prefer not to concentrate on the negatives personally. As you can see he is in actual fact capable of displaying both pace and the ability to beat a man. Nice goal against Birmingham at the end as well.

 

Now i'm not saying he's a world beater. But he is a pretty capable footballer when fit. And as such since he has a contract with us for another year (rightly or wrongly) we may as well use him as a squad player. Just cannot see any real reason why it would make sense to pay up a footballer's contract when he could become of use.

 

And since Nige has seen fit to include him on the subs bench on several occasions this season i can only assume he's seen something in training that he likes.

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While not up there with the Ashes Test Series prediction by Alps, pretty sure that this thread will contain some superb entries for Saints Web End of Season Awards in summer 2012.

 

Just have to wait & see which side is right.

 

But still lol'ing at those who can't read or don't understand the definition of under "Contract"

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Agreed. The attitude on here stinks quite frankly. Good to hear that Lee's doesn't though.

 

[video=youtube;hMoRitN8-9c]

 

A little video for some of you struggling to remember the finer sides of Lee's game. I prefer not to concentrate on the negatives personally. As you can see he is in actual fact capable of displaying both pace and the ability to beat a man. Nice goal against Birmingham at the end as well.

 

Now i'm not saying he's a world beater. But he is a pretty capable footballer when fit. And as such since he has a contract with us for another year (rightly or wrongly) we may as well use him as a squad player. Just cannot see any real reason why it would make sense to pay up a footballer's contract when he could become of use.

 

And since Nige has seen fit to include him on the subs bench on several occasions this season i can only assume he's seen something in training that he likes.

 

How does the attitudes stink? The video you posted is a skills video with no goals and no assists. In fact if anything it shows that while he can run past a defender here or there he can't shoot and can't cross. There must of been 10 one on ones there and he missed them all.....

As i tried to imply before are we buying/keeping players on their football ability or for sentimental reasons? I have respect for Lee as a person and what work he has put in the community. But i'd also like to respect him for his ability on the field and the things he has done for the team in the 3 years he has been here. After all the team is what we pay hundreds of pounds to see right?. And that is what he is paid thousands of pounds to be involved with right?

So you might think it is a bad attitude or whatever but i think it is being realistic. If we signed a winger who had not scored a league goal in 3 years, made only 2 starts in 2 years and was injured for most of the past 36 months people would think it was a stupid deal. Why can that logic not apply to players we already have? And if you mention it then why does it make you look bad? Should someone like that be given a life long contract then?

 

And Dubai i hope your right. Because i don't mind being wrong. I hope he stays fit and helps the team to get out of the NPC. Hope he plays above what we have seen of him and scores some vital goals. But i doubt the bookies would give you very good odds on that. As for the contract thing i am sure they would have a good case for it to be terminated by mutual consent. I don't think Lee would be the type to sit around doing nothing while picking up his cheque. But i am sure even he would understand if the club came to him and said look it's been over three years now. We stuck by you but we need to think of the future. And offer a termination deal. It happens at every club.

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