sussexsaint Posted 23 September, 2013 Share Posted 23 September, 2013 I agree it was inevitable. However I had mixed feelings about his 'confrontation' with the crowd at the weekend. He said he wanted to look in the eyes on the fans who had lost - it was easy to go and see them when they were cheering and celebrating after a win but not after a loss. The sentiment had some merit but he just looked like he was goading them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 23 September, 2013 Share Posted 23 September, 2013 I agree it was inevitable. However I had mixed feelings about his 'confrontation' with the crowd at the weekend. He said he wanted to look in the eyes on the fans who had lost - it was easy to go and see them when they were cheering and celebrating after a win but not after a loss. The sentiment had some merit but he just looked like he was goading them.yes but the cameras picked out the couple of dinlos who were anti him but failed to hone in on all the others who were applauding him. I was a snippet from May where he was talking about a player who had been out and had a picture of himself covered in money,Di Canio fined him and was right in saying the modern footballer should set a good example to the yung. In principle i agree but its the way he does it that is wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 23 September, 2013 Share Posted 23 September, 2013 Always too quick to criticise players who had made a mistake publicly. I always wondered how he would have reacted if a manager had done that to him when he was playing ! As soon as you lose the players you have had it.....and he lost them pretty quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 23 September, 2013 Share Posted 23 September, 2013 I'm not sure he ever really had them - initially they upped their game because they wanted to play and be part of his plans, while they sized him up... now though, 5 games in, they have seen that there is no encouragement, no support, no help for them... only criticism and management by fear. It's entirely the right decision IMO, although the club have to hold their hands up... either they didn't do their homework, or they simply made a huge error in judgement if they ever felt that style of management would work. It doesn't matter how much you're paid, or how much fans might think players should simply 'do their job' because of what they're paid... if you're an employee who does not feel valued and part of something worthwhile, you will either leave or do something about it. They did something about it. He might have toned down his political views, but his management style was closely linked to it, and this was inevitable IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 23 September, 2013 Share Posted 23 September, 2013 My only regret about this decision is that we never got to beat Sunderland with him in charge. A loathsome man with loathsome views. Despite some considerable acumen as a coach, his man-management style was always going to cause problems. Talking about himself in third-person; banging on his desk while being interviewed when he heard that Wigan had scored last season; berating players in public almost every weekend; and confronting fans at the final whistle (whatever his intentions were), all smacked of self-importance, naivety, and an unwillingness to adapt his approach to a group of players that were surely signed, in part, for their mental characteristics that Di Canio so craved. What a contrast to Poch, who after being praised about Liverpool win, just talked of the players getting the credit and continuing to work hard behind the scenes. Dignity, respect, humility, and quiet confidence - not traits I'd ever associate with Di Canio. To be fair, Sunderland needed to change a lot if they were to escape from the clutches of mediocrity, and Di Canio did achieve his immediate goal of avoiding relegation. But as I said in my predictions thread, a case of too much too soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 September, 2013 Share Posted 23 September, 2013 Just shows hows generous NC was with Adkins last season. Sunderland would have sacked him after 4 straight losses. Sunderland are a joke club and thoroughly deserve to be relegated and flounder in the lower leagues for ever (or even longer). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 23 September, 2013 Share Posted 23 September, 2013 It's entirely the right decision IMO, although the club have to hold their hands up... either they didn't do their homework, or they simply made a huge error in judgement if they ever felt that style of management would work. It was a panic appointment. Last season they very very nearly did go down, and if they hadn't have beaten Newcastle at St. James's Park, I suspect they would not have had the momentum to beat Everton and would have gone down. So from that perspective, he succeeded in what he was brought in to do. OK, he was given £19m to bring in 14 players. One way of looking at that, is that he spent less than it would have cost them should they have been relegated. On the other, he leaves a club with 14 new players and what some might consider to be overly disjointed, although I think a good man manager should be able to bring them together. Either way, if you lose the dressing room, then however good or bad you are at managing, your time's up, and by the sound of things, he had completely and totally lost the players. It's about man management, and I was surprised that O'Neill supposedly failed on that front, as that was one of the things he was known for. Have to agree with Steve Bruce who said that Di Canio's style was old fashioned. You never know what goes on behind closed doors, but on the face of it, which Italian would you want to play under - Di Canio or Di Matteo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 23 September, 2013 Share Posted 23 September, 2013 Nothing wrong with criticising players when they need it. Di Canio choses to do some of it in public, which is debatable, but imho, if there are freeloaders at the club then why not use the media to make them uncomfortable and generate a performance out of them or get them to f**k off for good? Sunderland knew what they were getting with Di Canio. He hasn't acted any differently. Yet they get rid at the instigation of players? Well, it's up to the players to now show what they are made of but the poor sod who get's taken on will have a serious power balance to adjust, which seems is what Di Canio was up against from the start after the mediocrity of O'Neill. Suspect for Sunderland it will be a repeat of the disasterous 3 managers in a season when they got relegated. Reckon they'll be on the blower to Eddie Howe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 23 September, 2013 Share Posted 23 September, 2013 Anyone feel sorry for this guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 23 September, 2013 Share Posted 23 September, 2013 does di canio have a boner going off to his left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 23 September, 2013 Share Posted 23 September, 2013 Anyone feel sorry for this guy? No he's a fascist cu.nt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 23 September, 2013 Share Posted 23 September, 2013 Oops, so he is. Still, knows the league well and isn't employed. Pulis was born in Newport, Monmouthshire pre-1974 so English by some definitions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 23 September, 2013 Share Posted 23 September, 2013 Pulis was born in Newport, Monmouthshire pre-1974 so English by some definitions... Close enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 23 September, 2013 Share Posted 23 September, 2013 It was a panic appointment. Last season they very very nearly did go down, and if they hadn't have beaten Newcastle at St. James's Park, I suspect they would not have had the momentum to beat Everton and would have gone down. So from that perspective, he succeeded in what he was brought in to do. OK, he was given £19m to bring in 14 players. One way of looking at that, is that he spent less than it would have cost them should they have been relegated. On the other, he leaves a club with 14 new players and what some might consider to be overly disjointed, although I think a good man manager should be able to bring them together. Either way, if you lose the dressing room, then however good or bad you are at managing, your time's up, and by the sound of things, he had completely and totally lost the players. It's about man management, and I was surprised that O'Neill supposedly failed on that front, as that was one of the things he was known for. Have to agree with Steve Bruce who said that Di Canio's style was old fashioned. You never know what goes on behind closed doors, but on the face of it, which Italian would you want to play under - Di Canio or Di Matteo? It was a panic appointment, but at the time the right one - so long as they only contracted Di Canio until the end of the season. Sunderland were going nowehere else but the Championship under O'Neill. The key to O'Neill's failure was not having John Robertson as his assistant, just goes to show how important the management team is, not just the manager. Giving Di Canio a contract into this season was a recipe for disaster, as was bringing in 14 new players over the summer. Whether that was Di Canio's decision or not remains to be seen but it will take a big job to get that team to gel. Di Canio will probably be finished in English football as a manager, the only club I could ever see him managing would be West Ham where he is still idolised - Gold & Sullivan are stupid enough to appoint him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orchardsaint Posted 23 September, 2013 Share Posted 23 September, 2013 They want an English manager who knows the PL apparently. Struggling to think of any. Curbs? Redknapp? Nigel Adkins. He likes red and white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 23 September, 2013 Share Posted 23 September, 2013 Anyone feel sorry for this guy? Why is de Canio wearing Y fronts over his trousers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 23 September, 2013 Share Posted 23 September, 2013 i hope the rumour that he keyed wickham's ferrari on his way out the ground proves to have legs. I am already quite fond of this rumour! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 23 September, 2013 Share Posted 23 September, 2013 Why is de Canio wearing Y fronts over his trousers? To hide his big lefty bona obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 23 September, 2013 Share Posted 23 September, 2013 i hope the rumour that he keyed wickham's ferrari on his way out the ground proves to have legs. I am already quite fond of this rumour! This seems unlikely bear. Conner Wickham looks like a UFC fighter. If I was going to key someone's car, I would go for Jack Colback's Fiat Punto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 23 September, 2013 Share Posted 23 September, 2013 I have to admit having a chuckle at a Sunderland fan going on about how such high paid payers shouldn't revolt when they bought the striking Kenwyne from us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 23 September, 2013 Share Posted 23 September, 2013 He was a nothing manager hyped up beyond belief. Acheived nothing except promotion from the bottom tier, the kind of thing that the likes of Steve Cotterill/Paul Sturrock/Martin Allen/loads of managers none of us have ever heard of has achieved. Mouthing off about not drinking coke or taking the sugar out of the training ground cafe or other such rubbish like he was some football revolutionary. He isn't. Won't work in the Premier League again unless he gets promoted there. I go along with all of that CB, but I really expected your contribution to this thread to be pointing out that it isn't Saints-related ?...or ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 23 September, 2013 Share Posted 23 September, 2013 I go along with all of that CB, but I really expected your contribution to this thread to be pointing out that it isn't Saints-related ?...or ? What? Don't think I have ever posted that. And I read the forum on Tapatalk so 90% of the time I don't know what threads are where anyway. All I can rely on is whatever the thread, you'll write something inexplicible. Just nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAS Posted 23 September, 2013 Share Posted 23 September, 2013 does di canio have a boner going off to his left?And the right, no wonder they sacked him. And why are his ears near his chin? The tatooist must have been a Geordie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 23 September, 2013 Share Posted 23 September, 2013 Anyone feel sorry for this guy? Surely the fact that it was at St. James' park was quite significant to this result? Not quite sure why he has 3-0 instead of 0-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 24 September, 2013 Share Posted 24 September, 2013 Sorry to see him go so early. Thought there'd be weks more fun to come yet before . The man's a clown, as well as being a fascist. Nice quote I heard recently though --- "You can say what you like about Mussolini-loving Di Canio, but at least he got the players to train on time" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 25 September, 2013 Share Posted 25 September, 2013 Poyet "in talks" for the job http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11695/8940933/sky-sources-gus-poyet-in-talks-with-sunderland-over-managers-job Hope he gets hired so we can give him abuse again; all together now... "Beat by the Dagenham, you're getting beat by the Dagenham!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG_Saint Posted 27 September, 2013 Share Posted 27 September, 2013 My only regret about this decision is that we never got to beat Sunderland with him in charge. A loathsome man with loathsome views. Despite some considerable acumen as a coach, his man-management style was always going to cause problems. Talking about himself in third-person; banging on his desk while being interviewed when he heard that Wigan had scored last season; berating players in public almost every weekend; and confronting fans at the final whistle (whatever his intentions were), all smacked of self-importance, naivety, and an unwillingness to adapt his approach to a group of players that were surely signed, in part, for their mental characteristics that Di Canio so craved. The only thing missing from this description in my opinion, are his political beliefs. I acknowledge it's a punch below the belt, but I think this kind of 'loathsome views' have no place whatsoever in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 27 September, 2013 Share Posted 27 September, 2013 Poyet would be a poor choice, far to emotional and lacks the mental strength for a PL relegation battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 27 September, 2013 Share Posted 27 September, 2013 What the hell is it with Sunderland? Keep looking at nut-case Managers? Sure Poyet has a better reputation than Di Canio but he never came across as the most balanced intellectual in football while down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 27 September, 2013 Share Posted 27 September, 2013 Great news for Sunderland. Massive error to employ him IMHO. The bloke is a grade A fool, second only to Ian Holloway for being the mos idiotic manager in English football.... Bring on a 6-0 saints win and Holloways sacking tomorrow to crown a good week for English football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 7 October, 2013 Share Posted 7 October, 2013 Sky Sports News @SkySportsNews Sky sources: Sunderland to appoint Gus Poyet as manager in next 24 hours #SSN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 7 October, 2013 Share Posted 7 October, 2013 Given that Poyet was supposedly "in talks" with Sunderland nearly two weeks ago, are we to assume that he bottled the opportunity of starting his job with tough-looking games against Liverpool and Man United? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 October, 2013 Share Posted 7 October, 2013 Given that Poyet was supposedly "in talks" with Sunderland nearly two weeks ago, are we to assume that he bottled the opportunity of starting his job with tough-looking games against Liverpool and Man United? Away to Swansea, then home to rivals Newcastle next for the the Rokerites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 7 October, 2013 Share Posted 7 October, 2013 Given that Poyet was supposedly "in talks" with Sunderland nearly two weeks ago, are we to assume that he bottled the opportunity of starting his job with tough-looking games against Liverpool and Man United? Been taking tips from Redknapp. Next he'll be slagging off the Uruguayan FA as soon as he knows he's never getting that job. I do hope he brings his brand of cheating to the Prem and gets absolutely slated by all and sundry for it, but with all his mates at the Beeb I suspect it'll have to be Sky that progress that agenda... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 7 October, 2013 Share Posted 7 October, 2013 His Championship experience might be useful to them next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 7 October, 2013 Share Posted 7 October, 2013 Sky Sports News @SkySportsNews Sky sources: Sunderland to appoint Gus Poyet as manager in next 24 hours #SSN Poyet eh ? ....out of the frying pan and into the ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 7 October, 2013 Share Posted 7 October, 2013 one **** replaced by another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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