once_bitterne Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Jason Puncheon http://www.basingstokegazette.co.uk/sport/10976451._/? KL has certainly saved herself some cash this window. I guess the cherry on the top will be our record signing leaving tomorrow. Has there ever been a transfer window where we failed to bring in even one player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 The ones that have left so far just make sense, why keep hold if you dont need to ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Has there ever been a transfer window where we failed to bring in even one player? We should close down the academy talent production line to free up some vacancies for expensive transfers imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Seriously do we really need to bring in any new players this window??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Probably needing to clear wages to come in under FFP And that we can add quality player to our squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 We arent going to finish top 6, we arent going to finish bottom 3 so why not use the time to really go for the FA Cup and give players like Gallagher, Chambers, JWP, Reed, Isgrove, Targett etc more games, see how they go, they're not under any real pressure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Seriously do we really need to bring in any new players this window??? If we have serious intentions on winning the FA Cup - which I hope we do - then we do need another striker, assuming the mad Italian leaves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 We arent going to finish top 6, we arent going to finish bottom 3 so why not use the time to really go for the FA Cup and give players like Gallagher, Chambers, JWP, Reed, Isgrove, Targett etc more games, see how they go, they're not under any real pressure I think this is a fair view. We won't really have a better opportunity to give the young lads a run out in the biggest league it the world. And if we're honest, as much as having another attacking player would be ideal....we've still got Jay, Lallana, Lambert...midfield options of JWP, Davis, Cork, Morgan.....it really isn't a bad team, In fact it's still probably the best team I've had the pleasure of seeing in my lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 The January transfer window is expensive compared to summer time. We would do well to hold off while we are safe and make deals in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 yeah off load the dead wood and let the academy boys play (though I like Puncheon and think he could still do a job here). We're going to finish around about where we are now in the league anyway and we have an outside chance in the cup hardly worth paying over the odds on January panic buys for. Give the youth a chance to get PL experience for half season when the pressure is off because we are safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Great to see Kat is allowing players who are not needed here to carry on with their careers elsewhere and rewarding their loyalty with moves to clubs at their level rather than holding them here against their will letting them be ostracised from the first team. Billionaire, businesswoman and human being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 We arent going to finish top 6, we arent going to finish bottom 3 so why not use the time to really go for the FA Cup and give players like Gallagher, Chambers, JWP, Reed, Isgrove, Targett etc more games, see how they go, they're not under any real pressure we have as much chance as finishing top 4 as we do winning the FA Cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 we have as much chance as finishing top 4 as we do winning the FA Cup I like your optimism, that's the spirit, only 4 wins off top spots if results go our way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 I like your optimism, that's the spirit, only 4 wins off top spots if results go our way. the results wont go our way though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Does seem like January is a cost saving exercise. A bit worried that our squad looks so thin now and I'm not as convinced as others seem to be that players like Gallagher are ready. Appreciate we won't go down but a shame to give up on what could have been a truly excellent season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 we have as much chance as finishing top 4 as we do winning the FA Cup Is this your version of the "Man Utd are as likely to be relegated as West Ham"? Because of course it's a nonsense. To gain 4th position in the league requires a degree of consistency over 19 matches. Winning the FA Cup requires us to win 6 just matches, half of which are likely to be against teams in a lower position to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Is this your version of the "Man Utd are as likely to be relegated as West Ham"? Because of course it's a nonsense. To gain 4th position in the league requires a degree of consistency over 19 matches. Winning the FA Cup requires us to win 6 just matches, half of which are likely to be against teams in a lower position to us. I know how it works but with Arsenal/Liverpool, Chelsea/City etc still in, they are miles better than the rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 I just hope that those in charge havnt bought into playing our academy as a must. They are not good enough yet to play premier league football. Ward Prowse has flattered to deceive, Gallagher needs time and Isgrove and Reed etc need games on loan in my opinion. Our bench looks very thin and any more injuries could see us fall away sharply. I am glad we are getting rid of the deadwood but we also need to address the balance. Those that are saying we don't need to sign will soon be moaning on here if we start losing a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downthe36 Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Great to see Kat is allowing players who are not needed here to carry on with their careers elsewhere and rewarding their loyalty with moves to clubs at their level rather than holding them here against their will letting them be ostracised from the first team. Billionaire, businesswoman and human being. This, I don't have a clue why we had so many players who were clearly never going to play for us again mooching about the place. It wasn't good for them and I struggle to see how it was good for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 This, I don't have a clue why we had so many players who were clearly never going to play for us again mooching about the place. It wasn't good for them and I struggle to see how it was good for us. It's because Cortese priced them out of moves, all the time. Barnard could have gone on a few occasions to L1/L2 clubs, but we wanted the 'loaning' club to pay 100% wages, which isn't possible for L1 and L2 clubs. Same was said for Martin, and only Palace managed to afford that last season. He was a better fit for one of the lower sides that came in for him tbf. We stuck a stupid price on Puncheon's head a year or so back, so he never managed to get his move. We've shown a bit of thought and allowed these players to get on with their careers, god knows why we weren't allowing that before, as there were certainly numerous attempts to take them all away from us at points over the last 18 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 I know how it works but with Arsenal/Liverpool, Chelsea/City etc still in, they are miles better than the rest Arsenal looked beatable at SMS the other night and we beat Liverpool earlier in the season and at SMS last season. Not saying we will win it, Sunderland will be tough enough, but no reason why we avoid all of them in the next round, or Arsenal beat Liverpool and we beat Arsenal. Maybe the winners of those top four side games get each other? Who knows. One thing I do know is getting in the top 4 is a lot less likely than winning the cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 I know how it works but with Arsenal/Liverpool, Chelsea/City etc still in, they are miles better than the restOut of the 18 teams still in it, 11 are Premiership teams. Of those four teams you mention, 2 of them will be out of the Cup, as they are playing each other. If we beat Sunderland, then that's another Premiership club gone. Everton and Swansea will reduce it by yet another one. Even if all of the Premiership clubs manage to beat their lower division opponents which is never a certainty in the Cup, there would still be a lower division team, either Sheffield Wednesday or Charlton, and Fulham, Cardiff, Hull, and either Arsenal/Liverpool, Man City/Chelsea, Everton/Swansea. If we beat Sunderland and were really lucky and drew the winner of Sheffield Wednesday/Charlton, beat them and we would be in the semi-finals. With home advantage, we could beat anybody on our day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolsaint29 Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Dear batman, barry sanchez, alpine saint Is there anything in your life you are happy and content about. Having read your posts over a reasonable period of time I have come come to the conclusion you really do seem to be a grumpy old man? Ps this also goes for quite a few other people on here. So please don't feel I'm picking on you just by mentioning your name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 I know how it works but with Arsenal/Liverpool, Chelsea/City etc still in, they are miles better than the rest I'm sure Man U and Chelsea both thought they were better than Sunderland in The League Cup. Hell .... even we did FFS. Who is at Wembley though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Dear batman, barry sanchez, alpine saint Is there anything in your life you are happy and content about. Having read your posts over a reasonable period of time I have come come to the conclusion you really do seem to be a grumpy old man? Ps this also goes for quite a few other people on here. So please don't feel I'm picking on you just by mentioning your name. what the hell are you on about. I am more positive about saints most weeks, then anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 what the hell are you on about. I am more positive about saints most weeks, then anyone. Your mask is slipping mate!!! Be careful As delldays you were the most boring, depressed guy on the forum. You came back as the re-branded "everyone love me" Batman and tried to kid on that you were content (Tim from the Uk Office type) Your now slipping back to your true self Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Your mask is slipping mate!!! Be careful As delldays you were the most boring, depressed guy on the forum. You came back as the re-branded "everyone love me" Batman and tried to kid on that you were content (Tim from the Uk Office type) Your now slipping back to your true self says bournemouth saint. hows your ITK source at barclays wealth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony F Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Great to see Kat is allowing players who are not needed here to carry on with their careers elsewhere and rewarding their loyalty with moves to clubs at their level rather than holding them here against their will letting them be ostracised from the first team. Billionaire, businesswoman and human being. It could actually be the new CEO making these decisions, you know, not Katerina at all? I mean, she has appointed a new CEO but everyone here is assuming she is still the effective CEO. Whilst that might be true - it probably isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Posted this in a locked thread: Makes sense to free up some wages. There are a few in the squad due a new deal. Cork only has 18 months left, as does Davis. Jay Rod is due contract discussions as he has made 45 starts (or something like that). A number of our young players will have contract accelerators in their deals where they earn more based on starts and / or after every year of their deal. It wouldn't be unusual to see Jay Rod and Lallana earn more because they've played for England, too. With Osvaldo leaving as well, that will leave plenty in the pot for some summer moves for whomever is in charge. I think the club have done well, though personally I'd prefer to see another senior striker join. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Posted this on the transfer thread... Since the summer we have sold, released or loaned 21 players. We have signed just 3 Osvaldo TBC Danny Fox Aaron Martin Lee Barnard Tadanari Lee Fraser Colmer Billy Sharp Emmanuel Mayuka Dean Hammond Danny Butterfield Jason Puncheon Tommy Forecast Frazer Richardson Steve de Ridder Ryan Dickson Danny Seaborne Richard Chaplow Ben Reeves Vegard Forren Alberto Seidi Sam Hoskins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Posted this on the transfer thread... Since the summer we have sold, released or loaned 21 players. We have signed just 3 Osvaldo TBC Danny Fox Aaron Martin Lee Barnard Tadanari Lee Fraser Colmer Billy Sharp Emmanuel Mayuka Dean Hammond Danny Butterfield Jason Puncheon Tommy Forecast Frazer Richardson Steve de Ridder Ryan Dickson Danny Seaborne Richard Chaplow Ben Reeves Vegard Forren Alberto Seidi Sam Hoskins a mix of Academy lads " who didn't become the next Luke Shaw " , and NPC / L1 players who were out of their depth after we got promotion to the Championship.....and of course Tommy Forecast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Posted this on the transfer thread... Since the summer we have sold, released or loaned 21 players. We have signed just 3 Osvaldo TBC Danny Fox Aaron Martin Lee Barnard Tadanari Lee Fraser Colmer Billy Sharp Emmanuel Mayuka Dean Hammond Danny Butterfield Jason Puncheon Tommy Forecast Frazer Richardson Steve de Ridder Ryan Dickson Danny Seaborne Richard Chaplow Ben Reeves Vegard Forren Alberto Seidi Sam Hoskins Well done to all who made it happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 a mix of Academy lads " who didn't become the next Luke Shaw " , and NPC / L1 players who were out of their depth after we got promotion to the Championship.....and of course Tommy Forecast! True, but its alot off the wage bill. Quick calculation.... Those 21 players were collectively earning approx 250k (minimum) per week! Thats £1m saved per month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 It's because Cortese priced them out of moves, all the time. Barnard could have gone on a few occasions to L1/L2 clubs, but we wanted the 'loaning' club to pay 100% wages, which isn't possible for L1 and L2 clubs. Same was said for Martin, and only Palace managed to afford that last season. He was a better fit for one of the lower sides that came in for him tbf. We stuck a stupid price on Puncheon's head a year or so back, so he never managed to get his move. We've shown a bit of thought and allowed these players to get on with their careers, god knows why we weren't allowing that before, as there were certainly numerous attempts to take them all away from us at points over the last 18 months. two ow sides to every thing..... If speculating, you could just as easily suggest that although it was recognised that these guys might not be good enough for us in the prem, they were rewarded for their efforts in getting us there with contracts reflective of that... Which makes them more difficult to loan out.... We don't stick 'stupid prices' on their heads, just ones that are viable from a business perspective... And not charitable.. Respectfully suggest, there is a greater reality to this side than assuming the nasty club were deliberately restricting careers... But guess it is very fashionable to find constant fault with everything under NC now he's gone, so I must be wrong.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Great to see Kat is allowing players who are not needed here to carry on with their careers elsewhere and rewarding their loyalty with moves to clubs at their level rather than holding them here against their will letting them be ostracised from the first team. Billionaire, businesswoman and human being. Ehhhh ........ Holding them here against their will? On fat contracts ? Southampton Football Club will want shot if them - nothing to do with being 'human'. A very romantic notion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bender Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 Sorry could someone remind me of our solitary signing in the same window a year ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 30 January, 2014 Share Posted 30 January, 2014 two ow sides to every thing..... If speculating, you could just as easily suggest that although it was recognised that these guys might not be good enough for us in the prem, they were rewarded for their efforts in getting us there with contracts reflective of that... Which makes them more difficult to loan out.... We don't stick 'stupid prices' on their heads, just ones that are viable from a business perspective... And not charitable.. Respectfully suggest, there is a greater reality to this side than assuming the nasty club were deliberately restricting careers... But guess it is very fashionable to find constant fault with everything under NC now he's gone, so I must be wrong.... It would only be difficult to loan out such players if we refused to pay a large enough proportion of their salaries to make the loan appealing to a non-Premier League club. If we'd loaned out a player while still paying half his wage, for example, the player would have been able to play and the club would have saved something on wages. Similarly, you can only sell a player for the amount another club is willing to pay; how would sticking out for a higher price, not selling and still paying the wage of a non-contributing player make any kind of business sense? The club would be spending more than it needed to and getting nothing in return. Of course neither Cortese or the club was deliberately restricting players' careers (and I don't think that anyone is seriously suggesting that this was the case), but it is abundantly clear that something has changed and that that has allowed various players to be loaned out who weren't getting loaned out before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 31 January, 2014 Share Posted 31 January, 2014 And what happened the last time we relied entirely on youth without investing in the 1st as required? Mmm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 January, 2014 Share Posted 31 January, 2014 two ow sides to every thing..... If speculating, you could just as easily suggest that although it was recognised that these guys might not be good enough for us in the prem, they were rewarded for their efforts in getting us there with contracts reflective of that... Which makes them more difficult to loan out.... We don't stick 'stupid prices' on their heads, just ones that are viable from a business perspective... And not charitable.. Respectfully suggest, there is a greater reality to this side than assuming the nasty club were deliberately restricting careers... But guess it is very fashionable to find constant fault with everything under NC now he's gone, so I must be wrong.... Who has been finding fault with your hero? I haven't seen anyone doing this other in your delicate little mind Francis. Still crying yourself to sleep with the Leeds programme under your pillow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK the 2nd Posted 31 January, 2014 Share Posted 31 January, 2014 Arsenal looked beatable at SMS the other night and we beat Liverpool earlier in the season and at SMS last season. Not saying we will win it, Sunderland will be tough enough, but no reason why we avoid all of them in the next round, or Arsenal beat Liverpool and we beat Arsenal. Maybe the winners of those top four side games get each other? Who knows. One thing I do know is getting in the top 4 is a lot less likely than winning the cup. Best odds .. Saints for a Top 4 finish ... 250/1 Saints to win the FA Cup ... 14/1 I think that should settle the argument! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JN9 Posted 31 January, 2014 Share Posted 31 January, 2014 Best odds .. Saints for a Top 4 finish ... 250/1 Saints to win the FA Cup ... 14/1 I think that should settle the argument! It should, probably won't, but it should... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 31 January, 2014 Share Posted 31 January, 2014 Best odds .. Saints for a Top 4 finish ... 250/1 Saints to win the FA Cup ... 14/1 I think that should settle the argument! LOL nicely put. We might win the FA cup with a bit of luck both on the field and in the draw we won't finish top 4 becuase that requires consistency not luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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