hypochondriac Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 Does anyone really give much of a toss about all this rubbish? All I want to see is Toby signed for us by the start of the season. No one really knows how this is going to pan out now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 Despite our apparent position I'm still not confident Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosin Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11700/9904455/southampton-issue-legal-threat-over-toby-alderweireld Seems like we are getting a bit tired of AM........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 We will be the laughing stock of football if he declines our offer and joins spurs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 Business is business, just remember how much the writing off of Bale's sell on fee cost us and we are not even close to parity with Levy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 We will be the laughing stock of football if he declines our offer and joins spurs Why? The majority of people that follow football would expect him to prefer a move to Spurs over Saints. So if that actually happens, why would we be a laughing stock for merely trying to enforce a legal contract we had with A. Madrid? Its not our fault they may have ****ed up, and I see no problem with us taking issue with them messing us around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 What? how is a player choosing to join a bigger club make us a laughing stock? Not so much with other clubs,but fans,have you seen the stuff from Saints fans on social media...granted the spurs fans are just as bad,but some of the stuff I have been reading was pretty cringe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 Because he is easily worth 11 million plus. It's not particularly likely now that Athletico are suddenly going to allow him to go for a tiny amount. I don't really care, we should run the club like a business, and that means being a bit savvy, and getting the best deal for SAINTS, I couldn't care less about AM, why should I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 Don't be ridiculous. Preach brother preach. Neville Chamberlain has nothing on Saint Charlie - appeasement 101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 Not so much with other clubs,but fans,have you seen the stuff from Saints fans on social media...granted the spurs fans are just as bad,but some of the stuff I have been reading was pretty cringe err I don't follow social media feel free to post up the cringe for all to enjoy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 it could be that we know we are not getting toby and using this clause issue to getting more than £1.5m from AM. Or, he will be a saint in the next 72hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 Jesus christ, 182 new posts in 4 hours? Whats happened!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 What ever happens I guess we won't be doing any more business with AM again..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 Jesus christ, 182 new posts in 4 hours? Whats happened!? err nothing apart from saints threatening AM with legal action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 it could be that we know we are not getting toby and using this clause issue to getting more than £1.5m from AM. Or, he will be a saint in the next 72hours Yep. Either Toby or £4.7m for a player we never owned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goneawol Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/toby-alderweirelds-tottenham-transfer-blocked-6008834 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 Adam Blackmore confirms that it's been checked out by BBC, and Atlético Madrid HAVE broken the terms of the loan agreement and missed the deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berkshiresaint Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 If this is true about AM not exercising their right to cancel the agreement, then the player becomes the property of SFC (once the agreed fee has been paid). This means that AM have no legal right over Toby so any deal done between them & any other party that is not SFC will become nul & void. If AM do not accept the monetary transaction (as seems the most obvious stumbling block) then SFC can ask a court to transfer the players registration to them on receipt of the pre-agreed sum. The only real options for AM are 1. fully comply with the pre-agreed contract 2. face legal action. By the way the contract will be water tight as lawyers love nothing better than being anal when it comes to this sort of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 Adam Blackmore confirms that it's been checked out by BBC, and Atlético Madrid HAVE broken the terms of the loan agreement and missed the deadline. well. here we go how did the BBC get this info. saints doing their bizz in public? who cares!!!! come on les Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/toby-alderweirelds-tottenham-transfer-blocked-6008834 £45k per week? The general view was that his wages were circa £75k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 If this is true about AM not exercising their right to cancel the agreement, then the player becomes the property of SFC (once the agreed fee has been paid). This means that AM have no legal right over Toby so any deal done between them & any other party that is not SFC will become nul & void. If AM do not accept the monetary transaction (as seems the most obvious stumbling block) then SFC can ask a court to transfer the players registration to them on receipt of the pre-agreed sum. The only real options for AM are 1. fully comply with the pre-agreed contract 2. face legal action. By the way the contract will be water tight as lawyers love nothing better than being anal when it comes to this sort of thing. If this turns out to be true I think someone at AM is going to get the sack... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 Would we not have already paid AM the agreed sum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 According to some Spurs nobs, essentially what AM had was a 'buy back' clause, which they failed to exercise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 What ever happens I guess we won't be doing any more business with AM again..... Thats the last time we give them our shirts then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 If this is true about AM not exercising their right to cancel the agreement, then the player becomes the property of SFC (once the agreed fee has been paid). This means that AM have no legal right over Toby so any deal done between them & any other party that is not SFC will become nul & void. If AM do not accept the monetary transaction (as seems the most obvious stumbling block) then SFC can ask a court to transfer the players registration to them on receipt of the pre-agreed sum. The only real options for AM are 1. fully comply with the pre-agreed contract 2. face legal action. By the way the contract will be water tight as lawyers love nothing better than being anal when it comes to this sort of thing. You've made a lot of assumptions there. You have no idea if the agreement with Madrid actually operates to transfer Toby's registration or if it simply puts Madrid under an obligation to do so. If the latter then they would still hold his registration. We don't know what the governing law of the agreement is or what forum a dispute would be heard in. English courts don't generally make parties comply with agreements, they just make people pay damages for breach. Goodness knows how we would quantify losses arising from not being allowed to spend money on a player. You can't really with any certainty. I reckon, if SFC is in the right over the agreement (and I do agree with you there - it should be pretty straightforward if it was drafted competently), then we will end up doing a deal with Madrid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 According to some Spurs nobs, essentially what AM had was a 'buy back' clause, which they failed to exercise. He was on loan, so that isn't true. A "buy back" clause is when you sell a player and have an option to by him back at a set price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 He was on loan, so that isn't true. A "buy back" clause is when you sell a player and have an option to by him back at a set price. Hence my use of the word 'essentially'. But yes he was on loan, until they failed to cancel it. Wonder if we sent them a cheque in the post? Let's hope they cashed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Saint Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 According to some Spurs nobs, essentially what AM had was a 'buy back' clause, which they failed to exercise. It's a buy-out clause - not a buy-back clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 Wonder when the deadline to pay was, and why it came out tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackedoff Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 He,s gone , get used to it. Yet another player set to join our nearest rivals. We have hit our glass ceiling in this league with our inability to retain our better players and there is no way we are going to produce enough of our own lads ( that are good enough ) to progress. Keeping ahead of the Swansea,s and Stoke,s of this league is all we can manage. Yes throwing stupid money around just to compete with the big boys is not the way to go, but at the same time everyone, club , fans, media etc should just shut up about progressing to Champions League level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 He,s gone , get used to it. Yet another player set to join our nearest rivals. We have hit our glass ceiling in this league with our inability to retain our better players and there is no way we are going to produce enough of our own lads ( that are good enough ) to progress. Keeping ahead of the Swansea,s and Stoke,s of this league is all we can manage. Yes throwing stupid money around just to compete with the big boys is not the way to go, but at the same time everyone, club , fans, media etc should just shut up about progressing to Champions League level. It's bad enough coming on here just to moan, but at least wait until something has actually happened to moan about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackedoff Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 It's bad enough coming on here just to moan' date=' but at least wait until something has actually happened to moan about it.[/quote'] Agree or disagree with my post, it makes no difference to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 I guess the Ocean Village pull is not so great Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 The club have spoken http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/southampton/11719725/Southampton-ready-to-take-legal-action-against-Atletico-Madrid-if-Tottenham-sign-Toby-Alderweireld.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 Wonder when the deadline to pay was, and why it came out tonight 30th June. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 Because he is easily worth 11 million plus. It's not particularly likely now that Athletico are suddenly going to allow him to go for a tiny amount. But if Southampton have a contract saying we have an option to buy at last years value, why should we pay more if we have exercised our option to buy. With millions of pounds involved, lawyers are bound to be all over it at every stage. It may well be that the players registration automatically passed to Southampton if AM failed to buy out the buy back clause. Only problem Saints do not have a contract with TA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringwood Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 an international loan transfers the registration I believe , so it maybe that the players registration is already in England? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 an international loan transfers the registration I believe , so it maybe that the players registration is already in England? Oh sh*t yeah, that's one thing we learnt from the Lampard saga is that an international loan is a literal transfer for one year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 Go, Saints' lawyers Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 if anyone can sort this, saints lawyers can also, is that right that Spurs offered £45k a week and that was going through? so much for them offering more than us and this magical £100k a week etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 Business is business, just remember how much the writing off of Bale's sell on fee cost us and we are not even close to parity with Levy. Absolutely. What goes around comes around. Have it Levy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Man Do Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 an international loan transfers the registration I believe , so it maybe that the players registration is already in England? Presumably it would revert back to them at midnight on June 30th ready for them to re-transfer it if the deal then went through? Realistically if he wants to go to Spurs he will but at least we might get some extra compo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 South Coast Yobbos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 For those of you saying we should pay more!! we could sign him for the agreed amount, and give Toby a massive signing on fee of 4 million maybe?... I can imagine that it is us who holds the cards in this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 30th June. So why the delay by us in making this move? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewanyamasfcs Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 He,s gone , get used to it. Yet another player set to join our nearest rivals. We have hit our glass ceiling in this league with our inability to retain our better players and there is no way we are going to produce enough of our own lads ( that are good enough ) to progress. Keeping ahead of the Swansea,s and Stoke,s of this league is all we can manage. Yes throwing stupid money around just to compete with the big boys is not the way to go, but at the same time everyone, club , fans, media etc should just shut up about progressing to Champions League level. You seem pretty hacked off. hahahahahahahaha. # bantasorus #rex #eric #bantona # bant #and #dec # top# keks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosin Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 if anyone can sort this, saints lawyers can also, is that right that Spurs offered £45k a week and that was going through? so much for them offering more than us and this magical £100k a week etc That is the amount that is going around - im a 100 % sure we could both match and beat this wage quite easy to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 No idea why everyone is celebrating, this just looks like it is getting messier and becoming a sorry affair particularly if lawyers get involved. I cannot see this ending quickly and this must be very frustrating for Toby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 So why the delay by us in making this move? A scenario.....we have been attempting to contact Athletico to get it done, to which they have not responded. We then find out through the media that Spurs have come to an agreement and seem set to sign him. Enough to stir the wasp nest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 £45k per week? The general view was that his wages were circa £75k. €75k, I suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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