Sour Mash Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 But as we know, football plays by its own rules... No it doesn't. It's bound by contractual law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 To me it has got to the stage where the player should now decide. If he wants to play elsewhere then he should. If he is ambivalent then he should play elsewhere. I don't think so. It's clearly a big legal issue, which has nothing to do with Toby. He may well be happy with either club (nothing any of us can complain about) and if he comes out and says which one he'd like (maybe its hard to choose, I would say purely from a neutral footballers perspective you can see arguments to go to either (arguments we've all done to death I might add)) and then it turns out he can't go there for whatever reason legally, this screws his relationship with the club he actually can move to, and also makes him look a fool. His best option is to stay quiet and keep out of it until there is clarity in his options. There is nothing to be gained from his input publicly and everything to make the situation more complex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 What page number of the thread will Toby sign on (for us or Spurs)? I'm going for 43 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 To me it has got to the stage where the player should now decide. If he wants to play elsewhere then he should. If he is ambivalent then he should play elsewhere. I wonder where Toby's agent fits into all of this - presumably with a lower transfer fee Saints could afford to pay a higher signing on and agent's fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 Personally, I think there are lots of dirty tricks at play away from the actual official transfer talks. And behind the scenes it's probably a hell of a lot more calm and straight forward than it seems to us outsiders. I'm not sure that will be the case. It is obviously fractious enough for us to leak this info. There will be a Saints strategy for doing so with this timing, including (importantly) the legal action threat. That suggests to me that the two sides aren't able to agree at the moment, and I can't imagine it is all that calm behind the scenes otherwise there would have been no need to leak anything. It appears quite a far down the line tactic to me, and it could either be a huge masterstroke or massively backfire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 Well this escalated quickly -- An alrighty balls-up by AM if reports are true. Press conference should be interesting tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_emu Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 Because he is easily worth 11 million plus. It's not particularly likely now that Athletico are suddenly going to allow him to go for a tiny amount. What he's easily worth now is irrelevant in the context of a contract that was signed a year ago when he was clearly worth a lot less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 I wonder where Toby's agent fits into all of this - presumably with a lower transfer fee Saints could afford to pay a higher signing on and agent's fee. I presume the deal to buy included his personal terms back in August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 The most likely outcome. Someone at AM has ****ed up and they will want to 'Exit with Honour' to quote Nixon. Yep. We'll give them 5mil cash & throw in Llyod Isgrove or Gazza for free. (Is Gaston still on the books?) I live in a family of lawyers. They do not screw up contracts, arrogant idiots screw them up by making assumptions. If the news is right and AM missed the due date then Saints simply need to send the contracted fee to the details in the contract and that is game over. And as for the bleeding heart wimps saying it's not cricket on this thread the past hours. Wise up you idiots this means we can get Toby and STILL have 6.8mil in the bank to address the other areas of the squad you have all moaned about. AND we get to see the look on Levy's face when he realises he's wasted the past month chasing Toby and has been screwed over because of a stupid clerical error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 TalkSport Moose reckons he is joining Spurs - which is a massive boost for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 (edited) What he's easily worth now is irrelevant in the context of a contract that was signed a year ago when he was clearly worth a lot less. Exactly. Go and exchange on a house, then try and negotiate the completion at a higher price when you find out that its value has rocketed. Edited 5 July, 2015 by St Chalet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 What is bloody sad and amateurish is that Spurs have turned this into a media soap opera and no doubt thats via the mitchell fella who left here. . looks like that us just as much as us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 just a reminder of Toby's words in the Echo on May 14th "I don't feel it is my last game, or my last home game, I don't feel like this, because I'm happy here and there is an opportunity that I would stay here, so I don't feel it's the last game". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 SSN Reporter: @LyallThomas: PS At this stage Toby Alderweireld doesn't have preference between Spurs/ Soton. He'd be happy to sign for either; whoever offers best deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 I presume the deal to buy included his personal terms back in August. We could re-negotiate that element though presumably as it is nothing to do with AM. Clearly he will command higher wages now (which Spurs will pay) and if RK is to be believed the player wants to come to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_emu Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 Levys next move could play a big part in how this might all play out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeather Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 I live in a family of lawyers. They do not screw up contracts, arrogant idiots screw them up by making assumptions. If the news is right and AM missed the due date then Saints simply need to send the contracted fee to the details in the contract and that is game over. And as for the bleeding heart wimps saying it's not cricket on this thread the past hours. Wise up you idiots this means we can get Toby and STILL have 6.8mil in the bank to address the other areas of the squad you have all moaned about. If this is the case, what I don't understand is why we're bothering to negotiate, or even play it out in the media. If we have in effect a contract to sign Toby we should send the funds and just get Toby over to sign his contract, shouldn't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 SSN Reporter: @LyallThomas: PS At this stage Toby Alderweireld doesn't have preference between Spurs/ Soton. He'd be happy to sign for either; whoever offers best deal So Spurs then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 If this is the case, what I don't understand is why we're bothering to negotiate, or even play it out in the media. If we have in effect a contract to sign Toby we should send the funds and just get Toby over to sign his contract, shouldn't we? Surely we have leaked it to stop or at least slow down any possible Spurs move whilst clarifying the price he will be to us should he choose to come here. But ultimately Toby will decide and his decision potentially makes a huge difference to Atleti in terms of the fee they get for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 So Spurs then. Unless the best deal is choose between signing for saints or stay at AM for another 6 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 All this fuss and he will probably miss a load of games injured......or be played out of position thus weakening two positions like last season. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 If it is true that AM missed the deadline then what did we do before the deadline....Did we indicate in writing that we wanted to exercise our option? Seems to me to be smokescreen put up by Saints to counter Spurs leaks. We will have to wait and see! We didn't have to exercise any option, they had to exercise their option NOT to have sold him to us. If what was discussed last summer was right, we already had to have a full contract in place for the rest of Alderweireld's term at Saints (i.e. the four/five years, whatever it was) in order to complete the loan. So, that being the case, if Atletico failed to exercise the clause he is ALREADY our player and already contracted to play for us. Can't help thinking this is a little bit like a family meal with everyone shoving cash in the middle to pay and some people refusing to take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 Get him for the pre-contract price and spend the delta on his signing on fee and wages to match/beat what spurs could offer if they bought him for 14mil I'd go the swansea approach to signing on fee's for Toby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesfp1 Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 I love pre season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 From Saints perspective we should factor in that it is Spurs that we are up against and if there is any loophole we will exploit it. I would suspect that the way MP left us would have generated plenty of bad feeling between us and Spurs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 5 July, 2015 Author Share Posted 5 July, 2015 I can't believe some of the comments on here. Like saying why mess around we should have offered what he is worth.....he was worth what we had contractually agreed. Its a bit like saying I know that house is worth 350K but we'll offer 300K and that offer gets accepted. Who in their right mind would then up their accepted offer. Anyone claiming we are in the wrong here is deluded. It is AM that are in the wrong and have been hawking him around everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewanyamasfcs Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 Stick it to em Les! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 I can't believe some of the comments on here. Like saying why mess around we should have offered what he is worth.....he was worth what we had contractually agreed. Its a bit like saying I know that house is worth 350K but we'll offer 300K and that offer gets accepted. Who in their right mind would then up their accepted offer. Anyone claiming we are in the wrong here is deluded. It is AM that are in the wrong and have been hawking him around everywhere. TBF that's difficult to know for certain until we see the details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 Even if that were true, I doubt we can force them to sell to us. Most likely scenario imo is he signs for spurs and we get some compensation. Maybe we can't force them but it might well make other clubs think twice about buying him if they think it might end in messy legal action. With any luck it will put everyone else off and AM will to sell to us for lack of a another option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singapore Saint Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 Latest on Toby: AM have screwed up by missing the deadline to exercise their get-out clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 First one of these of the summer...... Look where we were a few years back No more a comment on mad fans who seem to think saints should spend to keep up with the big boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 Latest on Toby: AM have screwed up by missing the deadline to exercise their get-out clause. In other news, Rudi Skacel has signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 No more a comment on mad fans who seem to think saints should spend to keep up with the big boys. spending £12m of Toby (as per the time of the post) is where we are at. we have spent more and as much on worse players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 http://tottenhamhotspur.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/saints-consider-legal-action-over.html?m=1 This says Spurs have agreed a fee and deal with Toby and that basically our clause is all that is preventing the deal from being done. Certainly seems the timing ofnour leak was to prevent that deal from going through, it must have been very close...still could be. Possible too that it could be ****ing Toby off as he just want to sort a move out to either club, have to be careful we don't alienate him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 spending £12m of Toby (as per the time of the post) is where we are at. we have spent more and as much on worse players Not if we feel we have a legitimate claim to get him for 6.3m. Would be foolish to spend an extra £5m if that was the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 (edited) http://tottenhamhotspur.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/saints-consider-legal-action-over.html?m=1 This says Spurs have agreed a fee and deal with Toby and that basically our clause is all that is preventing the deal from being done. Certainly seems the timing ofnour leak was to prevent that deal from going through, it must have been very close...still could be. Possible too that it could be ****ing Toby off as he just want to sort a move out to either club, have to be careful we don't alienate him. Don't be ridiculous. Edited 5 July, 2015 by Mallagroth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 We will be the laughing stock of football if he declines our offer and joins spurs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 Don't be ridiculous. Which part? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 Don't be ridiculous. But that would spoil his mantra. Please don't quote him. For what it's worth, what he is saying above....that exact same person, and website claimed this only 1 day ago. ''Stories abound of Levy flying to Madrid to sign the Belgian centre-back but as I pointed out the other day, my reading of what I hear is that Alderweireld has already changed his mind and is going to Southampton, which Spurs will know. That still seems to be the case as he is talking with them.'' The fact of the matter is that everyone is playing games. This is a typical transfer merry-go-round, and it is utterly pointless going OTT as some on here are doing right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 spending £12m of Toby (as per the time of the post) is where we are at. we have spent more and as much on worse players The post I replied to called club spending frugal the implication being the club should spend more. Plus in truth neither you or I have any idea what the club feels it can afford to spend this summer unless you're ITK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 We will be the laughing stock of football if he declines our offer and joins spurs I doubt anybody outside of SFC and THFC will care less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 We will be the laughing stock of football if he declines our offer and joins spurs And there is another ridiculously over the top post. You will look back in a year and cringe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 http://tottenhamhotspur.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/saints-consider-legal-action-over.html?m=1 This says Spurs have agreed a fee and deal with Toby and that basically our clause is all that is preventing the deal from being done. Certainly seems the timing ofnour leak was to prevent that deal from going through, it must have been very close...still could be. Possible too that it could be ****ing Toby off as he just want to sort a move out to either club, have to be careful we don't alienate him. On the contrary, it shows how much we want to keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 We will be the laughing stock of football if he declines our offer and joins spurs What? how is a player choosing to join a bigger club make us a laughing stock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 On the contrary, it shows how much we want to keep him. Yeah, but that way of swinging it doesn't fit his agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 Spurs fans are fuming It's funny for that alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 Knowing our luck he will sign for us and tear his groin and be out for 3 months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 July, 2015 Share Posted 5 July, 2015 On the contrary, it shows how much we want to keep him. Of course we do. I was just thinking if it became a complete stalemate and delayed him moving anywhere then it wouldnt be ideal for him, but imagine it should be sorted fairly quickly either way given how much it seems to be developing each day! Becoming one of the all time Saints transfer sagas! Hopefully ends more Skacel than De Pedro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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