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Thanks for that. I knew it was a cheap and dishonest stunt. I travel on that service very regularly, at all times of the day, and have never failed to find an unreserved seat. If he'd wanted to board a train merely not to find a seat and make his sit-down protest, he should try one of the rush-hour First Great Westerns to/from Bristol/Wales. Or on a Southern Rail commuter train. But in years of travelling on Virgin east coast main line (and Grand Central), and its excellent predecessor, DOR, I have never had to stand - not even close.

 

So much for "principles".

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mmmm. Not like Virgin Trains would have any issues with JC is it?

 

Sorry goatboy, no idea of your political preferences or your feelings towards corbyn, but to suggest that it's Virgin Trains that might be spinning this, is hysterical.

 

From the pictures and responses, it looks to me that he has been caught lying red-handed.

 

His opposition (On both sides) will quite rightly go to town on him for this and whilst the end was never far away for him, it just got a whole lot closer.

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mmmm. Not like Virgin Trains would have any issues with JC is it?

Not like JC and coterie would have any issues with a privatised rail service is it?

 

Enough to make a ham-fisted PR piece which has now been exposed as the lie it is.

 

Lastly - Corbyn's team didn't have the foresight to pre book train tickets for a long planned hustings event. Anyone really think they can run the country?

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Luckily for Jeremy, the videographer of his sit-down protest has come to the rescue with an explanation, quoted in the Indy:

 

Separately, Charles Anthony, a Corbyn-supporting video journalist who shot the original film also released new footage and disputed the company’s account.

 

“Video footage of Corbyn sitting down is after he filmed video. And after people got off,” he said in a series of tweets.

 

On the CCTV, Corbyn is seen finally getting into his seat at 11.46am. The problem is that no one could have got off at that time unless they jumped from a moving train. The first stop on the 11.00 to Newcastle is York, at 12.53.

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From the Guardian:

 

In short-tempered exchanges with amused journalists, Mr Corbyn today rejected claims that he was forced to sit on a train floor because his pants were on fire.

 

He made it clear that the real reason was because his wife had misunderstood a comment by an aide that Corbyn's approval rating was on the floor. In fact the leader's record negative rating had already been flushed down the train's toilet before their journey had even begun.

 

The same aide was forced to deny rumours that Mr Corbyn had agreed to make a guest appearance on "Would I Lie to You"?

 

"Jeremy won't even consider any show that's not presented by Ant and Dec", Seumas said, on condition of anonymity.

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What I find confusing is why didn't corbyn or his group search the whole train for seats instead of just one carriage

Maybe they did.

But if his henchmen or corbyn are so bright . Why didn't they ch

eck the reserved seats to see where they were booked from . If the were booked from London and Newcastle and the were vacant and the train was moving then they can sit in them as the original individual has not turned up . Did his wife sit on the floor . At least corbyn brought his own flask and sandwiches with him

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What I find confusing is why didn't corbyn or his group search the whole train for seats instead of just one carriage

Maybe they did.

But if his henchmen or corbyn are so bright . Why didn't they ch

eck the reserved seats to see where they were booked from . If the were booked from London and Newcastle and the were vacant and the train was moving then they can sit in them as the original individual has not turned up . Did his wife sit on the floor . At least corbyn brought his own flask and sandwiches with him

 

The real problem, aside from the fact that Corbyn straight-out lied (hardly a novel feature among politicians), is that the stunt was truly hopeless.

 

Virgin East Coast is not a line that suffers from overcrowding anything like as bad as that on other lines. Nor is its customer service that bad (actually it's mostly very good). It does have problems with breakdowns of air-con, wifi, etc., but a lot of that is attributable to something that's uncomfortable for the Corbyn cult to accept: that Directly Operated Railways, the public-owned body which ran the service very well, did not invest in new rolling stock. They weren't allowed to under the terms of their take-over after the National Express default. Of course, this meant that if they ran the service well they'd return healthy revenues back to the exchequer. Which they did. But it put back rolling-stock investment by years.

 

You might want to see this as a warning for Corbyn's desperately knee-jerky call for nationalisation. There are so many things wrong with Corbyn's excuse for a policy on this but I don't want to turn this into a three-volume post. Suffice to say that like nationalisation in years past, you only need a Tory government to follow a Labour one to undo everything, and, on past record, you only need a Labour government to oversee a transport system with benign neglect.

 

Anyone who remembers British Rail - I mean truly remembers what it was like to use on a daily basis - will know what it was like. If not, try this (made by someone deeply sympathetic to BR's continuing public ownership):

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sULj6UpGAyU

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There's never been a moment's doubt from any reasonable observer that Corbyn was going to win the leadership election. Smith is simply not a very impressive candidate. Corbyn is far, far less so, but is surrounded by his adoring cult. He can get away with being a serial liar, stunningly incompetent, unprincipled, and a couldn't-care-less bystander during the wave of Jew-hating sweeping through the worst of his new acolytes. It all makes him yet more popular.

 

If you break the YouGov poll down, it's interesting that among longstanding party members - people who actually support and have worked for Labour - Smith is the more popular candidate. That's not a measure of Smith's popularity but a clear-sighted understanding that Corbyn is a ruinous leader, whose idiocy will destroy the party. It's only when you count those who've been members or three-quidders over the last few months does Corbyn races into the lead. Were he to lose, many of these new characters would sidle off with him - they're Corbyn supporters, not Labour supporters.

 

These same supporters are the ones screeching that because Corbyn can win an election where the majority of the voters are fawning devotees, he can win a general election. A more preposterous, deluded excuse for a thought is hard to imagine. Yet they believe it - but only by Orwellian-scale rewriting of plain facts.

 

One corker is the claim that the childishly named 'chicken coup' is the sole reason Corbyn is not sailing ahead of the Tories in the opinion polls. Here is a list of all opinion polls on the balance of the two main parties since 2010. Under the genius that wasn't Ed Miliband, Labour often had polling numbers up in the mid-40s. Since Corbyn came to power, they've been languishing around the high 20s/low 30s - the sort of numbers that will all but wipe Labour out in a general election. These numbers are bad, regardless of the timing of the supposed 'coup' (it was only ever a coup in the minds of the conspiro-loons among the Corbynists, who witter on about 'Portland Communications' and other supposed plots).

 

Translated into seats at the next GE, and assuming that boundaries are redrawn, we're looking at a Labour party with 80-100 seats (from 230 now), with precious little representation in the north outside of the major cities, nothing at all in Scotland, heavy falls in Wales, and nothing at all in the South East outside of London. Labour will, it is true, be much more in Corbyn's image - a London-centric, middle-class, virulently anti-Western protest cult uninterested in the whole point of the Labour party as a parliamentary force for change. But there's precious little prospect of the party recovering from the Corbyn delusion for a decade at least.

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More great news for the Corbyn cultists - their Dear Leader is now breaking records!

 

In the latest Survation poll, he has opened up a 64 point gap between him and Theresa May. May has an approval rating of a measly +33.6, while Jezza has outdone himself with -30.7. A difference of 64 points. This is an outstanding achievement. I think he's doing it deliberately, to see how unpopular and useless it's possible to be and still be a major party leader.

 

Jez-he-bloody-well-can is also less popular than May in every single age category - an unheard of achievement for Jeremy. He even gets into plus territory with one age group: among 18-24s he has a rating of +2.8. (May's is +13.6, but let's not dwell on that.) In all other age groups, he's firmly in the red, achieving a brilliant -53.1 among 55+ voters.

 

Among non-voters in the 2015 election, he is really grabbing hearts and minds. As we know from the cultists, this is going to be his real achievement, evidenced by the wild adoring crowds at his rallies. His approval rating among 2015 non-voters is -15.7.

 

Just one word: unbelievable.

 

http://www.pollingdigest.com/home/2016/9/2/may-vs-corbyn-survation

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Because the polls have been so accurate in the last two major votes.

They weren't that wrong - on Brexit they were pretty much spot on (it was on a knife edge), with the only genuine howler being the awful "exit" poll prediction on the night.

 

The general election 2015 polling overstated the willingness of people to vote for a slightly odd and left wing Labour leader, so if they are inaccurate then they tend to be inaccurate in favour of Labour.

 

Meaning, if anything, these polls are understating how much people believe Corbyn to be a total joke and his actual election performance likely to be even worse than this.

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Those polls don't have any proper pre-vetting screening in place to make sure that the people are properly entitled to have an opinion.

 

You can't have just anybody having opinions, the Labour party has proper democratic principles to uphold.

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Those polls don't have any proper pre-vetting screening in place to make sure that the people are properly entitled to have an opinion.

 

You can't have just anybody having opinions, the Labour party has proper democratic principles to uphold.

They should only do polls at Corbyn rallies.

 

There's, like, loads of people there and they are all cheering and cheering and stuff. This can only mean Jeremy is the most popular politician in the history of the world and the British population will march to the polling booths to vote him in.

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They weren't that wrong - on Brexit they were pretty much spot on (it was on a knife edge), with the only genuine howler being the awful "exit" poll prediction on the night.

 

The general election 2015 polling overstated the willingness of people to vote for a slightly odd and left wing Labour leader, so if they are inaccurate then they tend to be inaccurate in favour of Labour.

 

Meaning, if anything, these polls are understating how much people believe Corbyn to be a total joke and his actual election performance likely to be even worse than this.

 

Sorry, the polls got both results wrong.

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Sorry, the polls got both results wrong.

This is one individual poll and there were loads of individual polls saying leave would win.

 

But crack on. Obviously every poll ever is wrong and means the exact opposite will happen. So Jeremy Corbyn is obviously the most popular politician in British political history because the polls say he's not and dem poll are always wrong about everyfink ain't dey dough?

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Iain McNicol, the Labour party general secretary, has just given some choice examples of Corbyn's "kinder, gentler politics" in action. The following are all from registered Labour members or three-quidders.

 

"I would cut Tony Blair's eyes out and set him on fire the murdering cu nt. 1 million deaths on his hands. Fu ck him."

 

"If the PLP forcibly replace Corbyn with some Blairite cu nt I'll cancel my membership and never vote for them again."

 

"If there were any justice this murderous lying bastard would be hung...What a disgraceful excuse for a Labour MP you are - you're a 'sneering traitor'."

 

And so on and so forth. These delightful individuals and many more of similar ilk won't be getting a vote in the leadership election. Corbyn and McDonnell are incensed about this outrageous denial of their voting rights.

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Even your hard core lefties Owen Jones and Polly Toynbee have no faith in him. Is it just sixth form students, anarchists.

 

No one believes he is capable of delivering a fairer Britain.

The only non depressing part is May seems far more in touch than Cameron and Osbourne ever were.

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Iain McNicol, the Labour party general secretary, has just given some choice examples of Corbyn's "kinder, gentler politics" in action. The following are all from registered Labour members or three-quidders.

 

"I would cut Tony Blair's eyes out and set him on fire the murdering cu nt. 1 million deaths on his hands. Fu ck him."

 

"If the PLP forcibly replace Corbyn with some Blairite cu nt I'll cancel my membership and never vote for them again."

 

"If there were any justice this murderous lying bastard would be hung...What a disgraceful excuse for a Labour MP you are - you're a 'sneering traitor'."

 

And so on and so forth. These delightful individuals and many more of similar ilk won't be getting a vote in the leadership election. Corbyn and McDonnell are incensed about this outrageous denial of their voting rights.

 

Had a little flutter on Smith at 12/1 in the Labour leadership election. Not expecting to win but I think my chances are higher than the 7.7% those odds represent.

 

Aside from the fact that the polls overestimate the left-wing vote, there's also the fact that tonnes of Corbyn supporters and entryists are being ruled out, coupled with the fact that the entire Labour establishment wants him to go.

 

The only trouble is that Smith is just an utterly bland, boring and uninspiring candidate who'd be utterly minced in a GE as much as Corbyn.

 

Plus there should be a fairly strong 'shy Smith-ite' element given the threatening language of the Corbynites.

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Woops, those last two lines should have been the other way round - but yeah - you get the point - I think Smith's chances are higher than 1 in 12 but I struggle to see him attracting any voters other than those who actively want to vote against Corbyn. I'm struggling to imagine anyone who could quite like Corbyn but just be so filled with inspiration by Smith as to be bowled over into voting for him.

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Iain McNicol, the Labour party general secretary, has just given some choice examples of Corbyn's "kinder, gentler politics" in action. The following are all from registered Labour members or three-quidders.

 

"I would cut Tony Blair's eyes out and set him on fire the murdering cu nt. 1 million deaths on his hands. Fu ck him."

 

"If the PLP forcibly replace Corbyn with some Blairite cu nt I'll cancel my membership and never vote for them again."

 

"If there were any justice this murderous lying bastard would be hung...What a disgraceful excuse for a Labour MP you are - you're a 'sneering traitor'."

 

And so on and so forth. These delightful individuals and many more of similar ilk won't be getting a vote in the leadership election. Corbyn and McDonnell are incensed about this outrageous denial of their voting rights.

 

The PLP are desperate. They obviously think a few insults are worse than hundreds of thousands of exploded bodies.

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Good god.

 

Well quite. That post was virtue-signalling dialled up to a screeching 11.

 

On which subject - the protest at City airport this morning is a good model for how the Corbyn cult, with its incessant appetite for co-opting protests into its own 'movement', is distorting and destroying legitimate campaigns.

 

The all-white protestors occupying the runway were doing so in the name of UK Black Lives Matter. BLM is, of course, originally a campaign in the US which seeks to bring about change after a terrifying string of police shootings of black men, women and children. They demand that local policing and the US criminal justice system be reformed to stop the killings.

 

Translated to the UK, it's been swamped by an altogether different campaign slogan: CLIMATE CHANGE IS RACIST!

 

UK Black Lives Matter released a video to support their claim (on the following twitter feed)

 

https://twitter.com/clakklaa/status/773061999752310785

 

It begins, in classic Corbynist, 'ram-packed' fashion, with an outright lie, claiming that Britain has the highest per capita output of greenhouse gases. In fact, the UK is way down the list and falling - it barely makes the top 25.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions

 

This list admittedly only includes data on CO2 emissions, and leaves out other greenhouse gases like methane. But unless Brits are farters on a truly epic, planet-shifting, scale, it's not going to make much difference to the data.

 

Then it claims that 'seven out of the top ten' countries affected by climate change are in sub-Saharan Africa. As the top 10 includes places like the Alps, the Great Barrier Reef, Pacific islands and atolls like Kiribati, the Gulf Coast, the Northwest Passage, that's a lie too. Uganda and Darfur do make the list - Uganda for deforestation (not caused by the West but by the country's own burgeoning population, which has destroyed two-thirds of the country's forests in the last twenty years), and Darfur for war (an ethnic-cleansing war waged by central Sudanese government and Arab militias against local African populations - again absolutely nothing to do with the 'racist' West).

 

UK BLM then makes the weird argument that since people actually catching planes at City airport are wealthier than the people who live near it, there should be no airport expansion. This despite the fact that major airports are economic drivers, and are major, and often pretty good, employers - and you'd be pushed to claim that a whites-only policy applies in recruitment.

 

Naturally, Corbyn himself will be on a platform at the Stand Up to Racism conference next month, at which support will be declared for the campaigning of UK Black Lives Matter.

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What an edifying spectacle it was, witnessing the so-called leadership debate of the Labour Party on Question Time. It really was hard to decide which of the two of them was the least electable. On balance, Corbyn came out on top in the debate, which speaks volumes about Smith's chances, as Corbyn has no chance at all.

 

Apparently there was supposed to be a third of other party supporters in the audience, but that wasn't really obvious, apart from the ex-Labour voter who had switched to UKIP. Corbyn boasts that the Party had attracted thousands of new members, probably mostly constituting agitprop extreme lefties. Simultaneously, in all probability they have lost a similar number of supporters like that guy, their traditional blue collar workers from the northern industrial heartlands.

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On the wisdom of crowds...

 

It's a favourite habit among more limited individuals in the Corbyn cult to post endless photos of the great adoring crowds following 'Jeremy' around. Here's one such picture, posted by Momentum Sheffield. It's a pinned tweet from 20 August - so it's something they're clearly proud of.

 

https://twitter.com/MomentumSheff/status/766982247668862976

 

The effect of this mass love-in? A thumping victory in the most recent Sheffield council by-election for the Liberal Democrats:

 

Lib Dems 45.6% (+31.8)

 

Labour 34.1% (-9.2)

 

This is - or was - a Labour safe seat.

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On the wisdom of crowds...

 

It's a favourite habit among more limited individuals in the Corbyn cult to post endless photos of the great adoring crowds following 'Jeremy' around. Here's one such picture, posted by Momentum Sheffield. It's a pinned tweet from 20 August - so it's something they're clearly proud of.

 

https://twitter.com/MomentumSheff/status/766982247668862976

 

The effect of this mass love-in? A thumping victory in the most recent Sheffield council by-election for the Liberal Democrats:

 

Lib Dems 45.6% (+31.8)

 

Labour 34.1% (-9.2)

 

This is - or was - a Labour safe seat.

 

Hmmm an Anti-Corbyn Blairite who lived miles from the actual ward in a city with a strong Lib Dem history. Not that much of a shock.

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What an edifying spectacle it was, witnessing the so-called leadership debate of the Labour Party on Question Time. It really was hard to decide which of the two of them was the least electable. On balance, Corbyn came out on top in the debate, which speaks volumes about Smith's chances, as Corbyn has no chance at all.

 

Apparently there was supposed to be a third of other party supporters in the audience, but that wasn't really obvious, apart from the ex-Labour voter who had switched to UKIP. Corbyn boasts that the Party had attracted thousands of new members, probably mostly constituting agitprop extreme lefties. Simultaneously, in all probability they have lost a similar number of supporters like that guy, their traditional blue collar workers from the northern industrial heartlands.

 

The funny thing is even Corbyn/Smith are only the tip of the iceberg of how unelectable Labour are.

 

Here for example is what the shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry construes as "sexism"

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37332287

 

She was on the panel of an Any Questions episode I attended a few years ago. She's genuinely more of an actress than she is a politician.

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The funny thing is even Corbyn/Smith are only the tip of the iceberg of how unelectable Labour are.

 

Here for example is what the shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry construes as "sexism"

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37332287

 

She was on the panel of an Any Questions episode I attended a few years ago. She's genuinely more of an actress than she is a politician.

Agreed. This sums it up quite well for me http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/who-can-save-labour-no-one-corbyn-smith-leadership/18756#.V9bZGY-cGP8
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This will make the Corbyn cultists truly electable.

 

Tosh Macdonald, president of the train drivers' union ASLEF, told a TUC fringe meeting today that Hilary Benn is no different to Adolph Hitler, and that ISIS is comparable to the republicans fighting Francoist fascists in the Spanish civil war.

 

“The only comparison I can draw is with Hitler and Mussolini, bombing the republican lines in Spain.”

 

'Benn bad/ISIS good' is a great slogan. I can see the votes rolling in come the election/revolution. Perhaps a peerage for Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is already in the offing?

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/hilary-benn-compared-to-hitler-by-pro-jeremy-corbyn-union-leader_uk_57d6fdf1e4b0ac5a02df2f17

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This will make the Corbyn cultists truly electable.

 

Tosh Macdonald, president of the train drivers' union ASLEF, told a TUC fringe meeting today that Hilary Benn is no different to Adolph Hitler, and that ISIS is comparable to the republicans fighting Francoist fascists in the Spanish civil war.

 

“The only comparison I can draw is with Hitler and Mussolini, bombing the republican lines in Spain.”

 

'Benn bad/ISIS good' is a great slogan. I can see the votes rolling in come the election/revolution. Perhaps a peerage for Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is already in the offing?

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/hilary-benn-compared-to-hitler-by-pro-jeremy-corbyn-union-leader_uk_57d6fdf1e4b0ac5a02df2f17

 

That hair is sensational!

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So while one Corbynist cultist equates ISIS with anti-fascists, another celebrates the life-threatening illness of a Jewish politician who happened to be one of the key architects of the Oslo Accords.

 

If you read through the Twitter feed of this particular individual, 'Revolutionary Cat', you get a horrifying insight into the obsessional and paranoid Corbynist hive mind.

 

https://twitter.com/IainDale/status/775814523781513216

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Once again, what a delight Question Time was last night. The main thrust of the debate was dominated by the petty squabbles which characterise the progress of the Labour Party towards a crash and burn political oblivion.

 

On the one hand was arch spin-doctor Alistair Campbell, the architect of re-branding Labour into the washes whiter New Labour and on the other, Corbyn's main henchman representing Labour's leftwards lurch backwards the Foot era in the early eighties. But the programme burst into life when Anna Soubry branded Mc Donnell "a nasty piece of work" and there were subsequent angry exchanges between Campbell and McDonnell.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/bbc-question-time-descends-into-angry-row-as-anna-soubry-brands-john-mcdonnell-a-nasty-piece-of-work_uk_57db2292e4b028e52a100b91

 

Soubry was right when she said that the electorate had the right to expect that the democratic process was best served by having an effective opposition and that there wasn't one when Labour was concentrating all its efforts on internal squabbles. Campbell stated that Labour was headed towards potential oblivion.

 

All in all, it made for very entertaining viewing.

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Once again, what a delight Question Time was last night. The main thrust of the debate was dominated by the petty squabbles which characterise the progress of the Labour Party towards a crash and burn political oblivion.

 

On the one hand was arch spin-doctor Alistair Campbell, the architect of re-branding Labour into the washes whiter New Labour and on the other, Corbyn's main henchman representing Labour's leftwards lurch backwards the Foot era in the early eighties. But the programme burst into life when Anna Soubry branded Mc Donnell "a nasty piece of work" and there were subsequent angry exchanges between Campbell and McDonnell.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/bbc-question-time-descends-into-angry-row-as-anna-soubry-brands-john-mcdonnell-a-nasty-piece-of-work_uk_57db2292e4b028e52a100b91

 

Soubry was right when she said that the electorate had the right to expect that the democratic process was best served by having an effective opposition and that there wasn't one when Labour was concentrating all its efforts on internal squabbles. Campbell stated that Labour was headed towards potential oblivion.

 

All in all, it made for very entertaining viewing.

 

More intelligent right-wing commentators than you (although admittedly not as far-right as you) realise the existential threat to the UK of a one-party state with a zombie opposition.

 

Labour’s malaise could even loosen the fraying union. Long allergic to the Tories and more recently out of love with Labour, Scotland has itself become something of a one-party state under the Scottish National Party (SNP). Mr Corbyn promised to win back Scotland by moving Labour leftward. Yet the Islington socialist is as unpopular there as he is in England. Scots now have little time for either of the parties that would rule them from Westminster. That may make independence (already back on the agenda following the vote for Brexit, which Scots opposed) more appealing. Brexit is also complicating relations with Northern Ireland, another place where Mr Corbyn—whose shadow chancellor, John McDonnell, praised the “bombs and bullets and sacrifice” of the Irish Republican Army in 2003—is not taken seriously
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http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21707209-labours-implosion-leaves-britain-without-functioning-opposition-more-dangerous?cid1=cust/ednew/n/bl/n/20160915n/owned/n/n/nwl/n/n/n/n

 

When Corbyn wins the leadership election with the majority of votes from his personality cult, as surely he will, the centre-left needs urgently to look upon the decomposed remains of the Labour party as the opportunity to re-form a social democratic parliamentary party dedicated to fighting for political power through the electoral ballot box, with policies that reach across narrow political-tribal borders.

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