Club Crest: would you change it?

[Morse]

A weeping virgin Mary would be apt. 

[badgerx16]

32 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

The only ship I can think of in regards to saints is the titanic.

 

29 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

The Mayflower

Symbolism is lost on Matthew.

[badgerx16]

If you want a ship then one or both of the Cunard Queens..........or perhaps the floating bridge.

[Matthew Le God]

37 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

 

Symbolism is lost on Matthew.

No, it is lost on you. I know he was linking the Titanic sinking to Saints current situation, but The Mayflower has Christian links for a former church team.

[Weston Super Saint]

46 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

No, it is lost on you. I know he was linking the Titanic sinking to Saints current situation, but The Mayflower has Christian links for a former church team.

The Mayflower. Likely to have been built in Harwich and famous for sailing out of Plymouth?

That's the best you can think of to represent Southampton?

[Matthew Le God]

22 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

The Mayflower. Likely to have been built in Harwich and famous for sailing out of Plymouth?

That's the best you can think of to represent Southampton?

The journey intention was to go from Southampton to America. But they had to go to port in Plymouth due to issues with the ship. 

Edited Saturday at 10:07 by Matthew Le God

[Weston Super Saint]

10 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

The journey intention was to go from Southampton to America. But they had to go to port in Plymouth due to issues with the ship. 

 

So it didn't start from Southampton then?

The journey to America started a month later, from Plymouth.

Not sure any ship gained notoriety sailing from Southampton to Plymouth 🤦‍♂️

[Matthew Le God]

2 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

So it didn't start from Southampton then?

If you start a car journey and you need to stop your car for repairs and someone asks where your journey started from, do you say your journey was from your house or the place where the repairs took place?

You might mention you stopped for repairs, but it wasn't the journey starting point. The repairs were at a point after the intended journey started.

Edited Saturday at 10:08 by Matthew Le God

[Weston Super Saint]

Just now, Matthew Le God said:

If you start a car journey and you need to stop your car for repairs and someone asks where your journey started from, do you say your journey was from your house or the place where the repairs took place?

You might mention you stopped for repairs, but it wasn't the journey starting point.

If I stopped my car for a month for repairs, I'd say I started my next journey from the garage.

This seems pretty simple, even for you to grasp.

[Matthew Le God]

7 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

If I stopped my car for a month for repairs, I'd say I started my next journey from the garage.

This seems pretty simple, even for you to grasp.

Have you considered ship repairs in 1620 at ports along way from home take longer than changing a car tire in 2025? The repairs in both examples are still unintended stops after the journey had already started.

Edited Saturday at 10:17 by Matthew Le God

[Weston Super Saint]

9 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Have you considered ship repairs in 1620 at ports along way from home take longer than changing a car tire in 2025? The repairs in both examples are still unintended stops after the journey had already started.

You came up with the ludicrous car repair garage scenario, not me.

Just accept you are wrong, again, and that The Mayflower set sail from Plymouth.

[Matthew Le God]

6 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

You came up with the ludicrous car repair garage scenario, not me.

Just accept you are wrong, again, and that The Mayflower set sail from Plymouth.

Not ludicrous at all. Entirely relevant.

Should Southampton also rename the theatre and knock down the Mayflower memorials?

[Holmes_and_Watson]

29 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

If I stopped my car for a month for repairs, I'd say I started my next journey from the garage.

This seems pretty simple, even for you to grasp.

Nothing is too simple for MLG to grasp.

12 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

You came up with the ludicrous car repair garage scenario, not me.

Just accept you are wrong, again, and that The Mayflower set sail from Plymouth.

Nothing is too inaccurate for MLG to defend.

For those who'd like to see The Mayflower on a club badge, there's Plymouth and Boston, who have somehow usurped Saints rightful use of it. 🙂

Is that 4 or 5 complete humour failures from MLG just this week?

[SaintBobby]

I think we should have the Mary Rose on the club crest.

Ok, it's actually in Portsmouth, but I think Henry VIII once visited Southampton.

[badgerx16]

2 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

No, it is lost on you. I know he was linking the Titanic sinking to Saints current situation, but The Mayflower has Christian links for a former church team.

The Pilgrim Fathers rejected the authority of the organised Protestant Church and had initially fled to the Netherlands to avoid persecution.

EDIT; Plymouth Argyle already have the Mayflower on their badge, why would we want to copy them ?

Edited Saturday at 11:07 by badgerx16

[ecuk268]

1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said:

The journey intention was to go from Southampton to America. But they had to go to port in Plymouth due to issues with the ship. 

There were no issues with the Mayflower. it was the Speedwell that needed repairs. That was the only reason they went into Dartmouth.

The Speedwell had further problems abut 200 miles into the voyage and both ships had to return to Plymouth where the Speedwell's passengers transferred to the Mayflower that continued the voyage alone.

[SW5 SAINT]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

So it didn't start from Southampton then?

The journey to America started a month later, from Plymouth.

Not sure any ship gained notoriety sailing from Southampton to Plymouth 🤦‍♂️

The Titanic is usually regarded as having started her maiden voyage from Southampton, however she was scheduled to call at both Cherbourg and Queenstown on the way to New York…..!

[Holmes_and_Watson]

10 minutes ago, ecuk268 said:

There were no issues with the Mayflower. it was the Speedwell that needed repairs. That was the only reason they went into Dartmouth.

The Speedwell had further problems abut 200 miles into the voyage and both ships had to return to Plymouth where the Speedwell's passengers transferred to the Mayflower that continued the voyage alone.

Not only interesting, but has solved what moment in time to put on the badge for SR.

The Speedwell!

Begins on a journey to a promised land, issues probably caused by overmasting at the top, and returns in need of repair! 🙂

We could do with a Speedwell, or it's prior name, Swiftsure, in the team too.

 

[Weston Super Saint]

52 minutes ago, SW5 SAINT said:

The Titanic is usually regarded as having started her maiden voyage from Southampton, however she was scheduled to call at both Cherbourg and Queenstown on the way to New York…..!

So, depart from Southampton, pick a few people up in Cherbourg (they have a Titanic museum as well), a matter of hours later continue the planned journey to New York via Queens town.

Completely different to, leave Southampton, get a little way along the channel before heading into Devonport, unscheduled. Stay there for a fortnight or so, set off again, but turn round and go to Plymouth. Finally leave Plymouth a month after the journey was planned to start.

The journey started from Plymouth.

The Titanic set off from Southampton.

Not sure what the argument is?

[The Kraken]

I may be wrong but when they got to the USA, didn’t the Pilgrim fathers establish Plymouth Colony?

Ungrateful swines not naming it after the fair old town they set sail from.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

2 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

I may be wrong but when they got to the USA, didn’t the Pilgrim fathers establish Plymouth Colony?

Ungrateful swines not naming it after the fair old town they set sail from.

They did! ( Because I read it online, as I was learning about the Speedwell half an hour ago 🙂)

[Gingeletiss]

The Red Falcon set sail from Southampton, HTH’s

[CB Fry]

Just take the Spitfire for our badge and Eastleigh can get fucked.

[Dr. Kucho]

We could have that boat the guy in Bitterne built, that never left his backyard, on our crest. Certainly one of very few boats that never left Southampton. 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

We should have Benny Hill on our badge. 

[SotonianWill]

5 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Just take the Spitfire for our badge and Eastleigh can get fucked.

In all fairness, we have more claim to it than they do. Even their airfield (now airport) is in our name; Woolston being the true home of the Supermarine factory, now flats, like all things these days.

 

Titanic is a no go as it’s a tragic moment in our great city’s history with over a third of those perishing being locals - not that anyone on this thread needs reminding. 

 

Other options - Queen Mary?

Edited Saturday at 18:09 by SotonianWill

[The Kraken]

7 minutes ago, SotonianWill said:

In all fairness, we have more claim to it than they do. Even their airfield (now airport) is in our name.

A minor section of the runway is actually in Southampton. Tbf most of it is in Eastleigh but the southern section is 100% Saints.

An anagram of Eastleigh is eagle shit.

[Gingeletiss]

36 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

A minor section of the runway is actually in Southampton. Tbf most of it is in Eastleigh but the southern section is 100% Saints.

An anagram of Eastleigh is eagle shit.

Also……elite shag

[Whitey Grandad]

9 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

The journey intention was to go from Southampton to America. But they had to go to port in Plymouth due to issues with the ship. 

The problems were with the Speedwell which was unseaworthy. The Mayflower was an Essex ship possibly from Harwich. Its Captain Christopher Jones lived in Harwich and his house is still there with a blue plaque on it.

I went to Mayflower School in Dovercourt.

[Saint Fan CaM]

Disregarding a history lesson more boring than our season, the answer to the OP is no. Err, thanks.

[AlexLaw76]

Our new badge must have this in it,

 

[East Kent Saint]

Club badge changing seems to be the latest pointless image bollox , Newcastle at it now ffs

[Matthew Le God]

1 minute ago, East Kent Saint said:

Club badge changing seems to be the latest pointless image bollox , Newcastle at it now ffs

It isn't a 'latest' thing. Pretty much every British club has changed their badge multiple times throughout history.

[East Kent Saint]

3 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

It isn't a 'latest' thing. Pretty much every British club has changed their badge multiple times throughout history.

Even my non league 2nd club is doing it for no reason . Total bollox

[Matthew Le God]

1 minute ago, East Kent Saint said:

Even my non league 2nd club is doing it for no reason . Total bollox

It is not a modern trend. Clubs have done it since the sport began. We had 89 years without our current badge design (bar a tweak to the ball in the 90s)!

Edited Sunday at 10:09 by Matthew Le God

[SaintsLoyal]

On 10/05/2025 at 08:47, Matthew Le God said:

 

 

This article says it is for both...

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/3586056/2022/09/15/southampton-club-badge-meaning/

 

Yes both would cover it as the sketches show parks and forest being mentioned.

 

Oak for 'strength' is the key 

[East Kent Saint]

1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said:

It is not a modern trend. Clubs have done it since the sport began. We had 89 years without our current badge design (bar a tweak to the ball in the 90s)!

The modern badges have no images of the club history total bollox 

[Matthew Le God]

14 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

The modern badges have no images of the club history total bollox 

Lots of them do.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Just bringing these to where the discussion began, to avoid derailing a different thread.

2 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

 

 

 

If we followed MLG's idea to have the Mayflower on the badge to represent our naval links, it would give us a ship to steady. 🙂

 

2 hours ago, miserableoldgit said:

Technically, the Mayflower didn't leave from Southampton.

 

2 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Well it's MLG. So that's hardly going to stop him. Don't let it's ties with Plymouth, or it's appearance or their badge and Boston's make you prejudge. Don't let MLG's quickly discredited attempt at linking the Pilgrims with St Mary's dissuade you. You might not have read his post regarding 1620 ship repair times, that makes the Mayflower ours. All on the crest thread, if you find there's nothing else on the planet worth doing, and you want a chuckle.

On the manager front, either Rohl, Still or any number of up and coming managers may prove to be decent. SR's record of picking any of them is zero for their PL goal. I'd prefer a steadier, more experienced manager. Because someone has to be strong enough to tell SR what's needed, and work with Spors, rather than following what SR happen to believe a master plan is.

 

1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said:

Riddled with strawman fallacies. Well done for fitting so many into one post! 

In response to suggestions for a ship, that could be on the badge ( because the original post  in this sequence said that it should have been a ship on the badge), did you suggest The Mayflower? - Yes, you did.

When it was pointed out the generally accepted links the Mayflower has with other areas, did you persist in claiming it was really Southampton? - Yes, you did.

Despite being reminded of this again, and the ship already appearing on the badges of other clubs, did you try to justify it further by suddenly being a font of knowledge on 1620 repair times? - Yes, you did.

Did you try to connect the faith of the Pilgrims with St Mary's, only for that to be pointed out to you being exactly the organised religion they were trying to get away from, at which point you dropped it sharpish? - Yes you did.

It's there, above, for anyone to see. Well, you've been caught twice recently for editing your posts after responses/reactions and pretending you hadn't. Not to mention all the previous times. So, who knows how long your originals will be there.

Baffling why you persist with your approach in so many threads. Completely unnecessary, and you haven't looked anything other than embarrassing in any of them.

Edited Sunday at 12:59 by Holmes_and_Watson
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[Matthew Le God]

15 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Just bringing these to where the discussion began, to avoid derailing a different thread.

 

 

 

In response to suggestions for a ship, that could be on the badge ( because the original post said that it should have been a ship on the badge), did you suggest The Mayflower? - Yes, you did.

When it was pointed out the generally accepted links the Mayflower has with other areas, did you persist in claiming it was really Southampton? - Yes, you did.

Despite being reminded of this again, and the ship already appearing on the badges of other clubs, did you try to justify it further by suddenly being a font of knowledge on 1620 repair times? - Yes, you did.

Did you try to connect the faith of the Pilgrims with St Mary's, only for that to be pointed out to you being exactly the organised religion they were trying to get away from, at which point you dropped it sharpish? - Yes you did.

It's there, above, for anyone to see. Well, you've been caught twice recently for editing your posts after responses/reactions and pretending you hadn't. Not to mention all the previous times. So, who knows how long your originals will be there.

Baffling why you persist with your approach in so many threads. Completely unnecessary, and you haven't looked anything other than embarrassing in any of them.

Bullshit. Strawman fallacy after strawman fallacy. You keep misrepresenting what I've said. For a start... at no point did I say the Mayflower or any ship should be on the badge. All I did was name another famous ship with connections to Southampton. 

[Midfield_General]

On 10/05/2025 at 13:45, Behind Enemy Lines said:

We should have Benny Hill on our badge. 

Our crest should be a tasteful photoshop montage of Benny Hill, Rishi Sunak, Scott Mills, Chris Packham, Sir Christopher Cockerell, Ken Russell, Charlie Dimmock, Matt Cardle, James Lance, Howard Jones, Ollie Locke, Jona Lewie, the drummer from Coldplay and Adamski all sat on the same New Forest pony

[Holmes_and_Watson]

16 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

Our crest should be a tasteful photoshop montage of Benny Hill, Rishi Sunak, Scott Mills, Chris Packham, Sir Christopher Cockerell, Ken Russell, Charlie Dimmock, Matt Cardle, James Lance, Howard Jones, Ollie Locke, Jona Lewie, the drummer from Coldplay and Adamski all sat on the same New Forest pony

While some are deceased, that's still no reason that can't be the core of SR's championship squad, and reflected in the badge. 🙂

[Holmes_and_Watson]

21 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Bullshit. Strawman fallacy after strawman fallacy. You keep misrepresenting what I've said. For a start... at no point did I say the Mayflower or any ship should be on the badge. All I did was name another famous ship with connections to Southampton. 

My accurate summary of your latest embarrassing failure is there for all to see.

[Matthew Le God]

1 minute ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

My accurate summary of your latest embarrassing failure is there for all to see.

Not accurate at all. I already explained why one point is bullshit and you haven't acknowledged it.

[Weston Super Saint]

31 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Bullshit. Strawman fallacy after strawman fallacy. You keep misrepresenting what I've said. For a start... at no point did I say the Mayflower or any ship should be on the badge. All I did was name another famous ship with connections to Southampton. 

And you didn't even get that argument right.

Another MLG fail.

[Matthew Le God]

40 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

And you didn't even get that argument right.

Another MLG fail.

Nonsense. It is a ship with a connection to the city. That is what the original post was about. It was not me saying I wanted a ship on the badge. Nor did I ever say Southampton was the only place that had a connection to the ship. Fallacy after fallacy from some on here!

Edited Sunday at 14:12 by Matthew Le God

[Weston Super Saint]

58 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Nonsense. It is a ship with a connection to the city. That is what the original post was about. It was not me saying I wanted a ship on the badge. Nor did I ever say Southampton was the only place that had a connection to the ship. Fallacy after fallacy from some on here!

It's a ship that 'once went to Southampton' along with probably a million others.

It's gonna be a fucking big badge putting them all on there!

[Matthew Le God]

15 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

It's a ship that 'once went to Southampton' along with probably a million others.

It's gonna be a fucking big badge putting them all on there!

Strawman fallacy. At no point did I say it should be on the badge. All I did was respond to a post about famous ships connected to the city.

[badgerx16]

On 10/05/2025 at 08:32, TheAlehouseBrawlers said:

Hasn't the tree recently been said to represent the 500 year old 'Knightwood Oak' from 15/20 miles away in the New Forest, hence that new champagne lounge also being named after it?

Certainly not very 'Southampton' - should have been a ship.

Apologies, just noticed the spelling mistake - didn’t mean “ship”, I meant shi…💩

IE; there should have been a ship on the badge

On 10/05/2025 at 08:43, Toadhall Saint said:

The only ship I can think of in regards to saints is the titanic.

Direct response to "..should have been a ship" ( ...on the badge ).

On 10/05/2025 at 08:46, Matthew Le God said:

The Mayflower

Direct response to "The only ship I can think of in regards to saints is the titanic." But clearly NOTHING to do with the badge, the subject.of the thread. A complete non-sequitur.

Edited Sunday at 15:36 by badgerx16

[EBS1980]

I’ve yet to see a design that I think comes close to our currently one, so until I do I say no need to change