Staplewood upgrade

[Matthew Le God]

The addition is the building in bottom right, which will be a larger 1st team gym.

More details can be found here...

https://planning.newforest.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=_NEWFO_DCAPR_215561

Edited 18 November, 2021 by Matthew Le God

[Saint Garrett]

Yup - I was there at the weekend, it sounds pretty cool, and catching up with the rest of the premier league in places. 

These facilities have moved on so much over the last 10 years, parts of it are out of date now.

[SaintsLoyal]

Still very much in the wrong place and should be located in the winchester M3 corridor.

[Micky]

5 minutes ago, SaintsLoyal said:

Still very much in the wrong place and should be located in the winchester M3 corridor.

Long way to go to the gym....!

[Toadhall Saint]

9 minutes ago, SaintsLoyal said:

Still very much in the wrong place and should be located in the winchester M3 corridor.

Why?

[Ted Bates Statue]

I'm guessing it's to do with many of the playing and coaching staff possibly living closer to Winchester than the New Forest, in which case it is definitively on the wrong side 🙂

 

[djharvey]

They originally had plans for it to be a 2 story extension, still very good continual improvement in the clubs infrastructure though!

[CB Fry]

When do they start drilling for that oil down at Jackson's Farm?

With the way these do-gooders are going on about so-called "climate" "change" if they don't get on with it sharpish we're going to miss the petrol powered boat.

[alehouseboys]

54 minutes ago, SaintsLoyal said:

Still very much in the wrong place and should be located in the winchester M3 corridor.

 

45 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

Why?

I agree, too late now, but if they could have found a location around Winchester, there would be more chance of attracting players that want to be nearer to London. They could live top end of M3 and be in the capital or down for training in less than half hour. Cost of land may have scuppered that but would have got a few bob for the Staplewood site if permitted for housing.

[Toadhall Saint]

Are you honestly telling me that because our training ground is in the New Forest that we are missing out on players? 

[alehouseboys]

5 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

Are you honestly telling me that because our training ground is in the New Forest that we are missing out on players? 

Clearly not entirely but the attraction of the bright lights of London rather than the sedate surroundings of the New Forest probably appeals more to young guys with stupid amounts of money to burn, if there's a choice.

Edited 16 November, 2021 by alehouseboys

[Toadhall Saint]

4 minutes ago, alehouseboys said:

Clearly not entirely but the attraction of the bright lights of London rather than the sedate surroundings of the New Forest probably appeals more to young guys with stupid amounts of money to burn, if there's a choice.

Ok. Not sure I’d want these young guns you speak of. Young players that want to train to get better and improve - yes. Ones that are going to decide not to join a club with proven credentials of improving young players because the training ground is to far from London - no thanks.

[Ted Bates Statue]

8 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

Ok. Not sure I’d want these young guns you speak of. Young players that want to train to get better and improve - yes. Ones that are going to decide not to join a club with proven credentials of improving young players because the training ground is to far from London - no thanks.

Papa Waigo was honest enough to admit that his agent sold the move to Southampton by claiming it was in London, and I expect he won't be the last to be persuaded in such a manner. If it gets us a decent player, then I won't turn my nose up at that.

[JRM]

34 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

Ok. Not sure I’d want these young guns you speak of. Young players that want to train to get better and improve - yes. Ones that are going to decide not to join a club with proven credentials of improving young players because the training ground is to far from London - no thanks.

Half of Man City's squad have a place in London, the location of our training ground is not going to be a problem for these millionaires. 

[Saint Garrett]

2 hours ago, Ted Bates Statue said:

I'm guessing it's to do with many of the playing and coaching staff possibly living closer to Winchester than the New Forest, in which case it is definitively on the wrong side 🙂

 

Steven Davis still lives in Winchester, commutes to Rangers…! 

[Fan The Flames]

Brighton built their training facility in the last 5 years, not on legacy land or anything but on land they recently acquired. They didn't stick it half way up the M23 but just along the coast in Lancing. This need to be near London might not be a thing afterall. 

[notnowcato]

40 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

Brighton built their training facility in the last 5 years, not on legacy land or anything but on land they recently acquired. They didn't stick it half way up the M23 but just along the coast in Lancing. This need to be near London might not be a thing afterall. 

Or the city of Brighton has a lot more to offer than Southampton. Just saying. 

Edited 16 November, 2021 by notnowcato

[JRM]

13 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

Or the city of Brighton has a lot more to offer than Southampton. Just saying. 

It doesn't really. 

[Verbal]

1 hour ago, JRM said:

It doesn't really. 

Yikes

[eurosaint]

Winchester to Staplewood is approximately half an hours drive which is hardly a big deal particularly for people working outside the normal rush hour period !

If this represents a reason not to join Saints then feck 'em all !!

[waylander]

14 hours ago, notnowcato said:

Or the city of Brighton has a lot more to offer than Southampton. Just saying. 

Depending on your....er.....tastes

[DT]

15 hours ago, JRM said:

It doesn't really. 

It does really. Better restaurants, better bars, a beach, beautiful countryside, more and better culture, architecture, infrastructure. List goes on I'm afraid. Still wouldn't be crucial in attracting players though. It's money, mainly, and the team.

[manji]

17 hours ago, Saint Garrett said:

Steven Davis still lives in Winchester, commutes to Rangers…! 

Really ?

[suewhistle]

1 hour ago, waylander said:

Depending on your....er.....tastes

Yeah! 🙂   But joking aside DT is right. Parking and traffic is crap as are house prices but more or less everything else is better.

[Charlie Wayman]

18 hours ago, alehouseboys said:

Clearly not entirely but the attraction of the bright lights of London rather than the sedate surroundings of the New Forest probably appeals more to young guys with stupid amounts of money to burn, if there's a choice.

Totton by-pass, M271, M27, M3 to Winchester...............   10 mins at the most in their motors........ make that 5! 

Staplewood is an idyllic location to work every day, far from prying eyes and the madding crowd.

[Lighthouse]

None of this is relevant to players deciding clubs. It’ll come down to money, family ties and at a push, the nearest large city. Debating whether Southampton is a better city than Stoke on Trent is inconsequential when the players all just jump in a limo after the game and head off to London or Manchester. I doubt the Costa at Rownhams services has ever been mentioned in any contract negotiations.

[alehouseboys]

25 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Totton by-pass, M271, M27, M3 to Winchester...............   10 mins at the most in their motors........ make that 5! 

Staplewood is an idyllic location to work every day, far from prying eyes and the madding crowd.

I think something is getting lost in translation here - it’s not about the hardship for players living around Winchester getting to training at Marchwood.

It was just suggested that a training ground around Winch/M3 may have been better for attracting (some) players that would prefer to live nearer London. They could live in leafy Surrey/North Hants (like many London club players) making it easy to shoot 40 miles or so down the motorway to train but still be back and then a quick jaunt into the capital for the afternoon/evening to spend their ‘hard-earned’.

[SaintsLoyal]

22 hours ago, Toadhall Saint said:

Why?

This is something Rupert Lowe seriously considered and even looked at some farms on the M3 corrider in the early 00s. He said to me that the club was missing out on signing certain players, not because of wages, but because they wanted to live in london or Manchester etc  Its a viable point that many players live north of southampton and that if the club had a training ground placed Chandlers ford and upwards, they could attract players that would live in surrey say and still have their London playground.

I also think because staplewood is so narrow the layout is very tight and the main building isnt really designed well.  But now weve spent a good £50million on the whole thing its not going to be moving anywhere else. 

Edited 17 November, 2021 by SaintsLoyal
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[Matthew Le God]

6 minutes ago, SaintsLoyal said:

This is something Rupert Lowe seriously considered and even looked at some farms on the M3 corrider in the early 00s. He said to me that the club was missing out on signing certain players, not because of wages, but because they wanted to live in london or Manchester etc  Its a viable point that many players live north of southampton and that if the club had a training ground placed Chandlers ford and upwards, they could attract players that would live in surrey say and still have their London playground.

Staplewood to Chandlers Ford is a circa 20 minute journey, it is hardly a deal breaker.

[Fan The Flames]

3 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Staplewood to Chandlers Ford is a circa 20 minute journey, it is hardly a deal breaker.

You are looking but not seeing.

[JRM]

3 hours ago, DT said:

It does really. Better restaurants, better bars, a beach, beautiful countryside, more and better culture, architecture, infrastructure. List goes on I'm afraid. Still wouldn't be crucial in attracting players though. It's money, mainly, and the team.

Im not saying its a bad place, but nothing special. Beach is shit, not even sandy. 

Beautiful countryside? It's the same as here, once you leave the city we've got the New Forest and South downs. 

I've got family who live in Brighton, they avoid town in summer, half of Croydon turn up on their days out. 

Plenty of rough areas and drug problems  in Brighton as well. Green party MP explains a lot about the people that live there think they're being "alternative" 

[Saint Garrett]

3 hours ago, manji said:

Really ?

So I’ve been told. Regularly up at the Winchester golf academy 

[Saint Garrett]

3 hours ago, alehouseboys said:

I think something is getting lost in translation here - it’s not about the hardship for players living around Winchester getting to training at Marchwood.

It was just suggested that a training ground around Winch/M3 may have been better for attracting (some) players that would prefer to live nearer London. They could live in leafy Surrey/North Hants (like many London club players) making it easy to shoot 40 miles or so down the motorway to train but still be back and then a quick jaunt into the capital for the afternoon/evening to spend their ‘hard-earned’.

Quite a few of them are moving to Ascot area anyway, so I’ve heard. Macca loves that way already. 60 mins on the motorway…who cares…

[Wade Garrett]

I’m that excited about this that a little bit of wee has just come out.

 

[JustinSFC]

20 hours ago, JRM said:

It doesn't really. 

Yes it does.

I'm Southampton born and bred and if I could afford it, I'd take Brighton all day long.

In fact, if it wasn't for the obvious family, friends, work and the same for my girlfriend, I wouldn't stay in Southampton.

It's drab and boring.

Shopping is arguably the worst in the country and people are complete fucking pricks here.

Edited 17 November, 2021 by JustinSFC

[Matthew Le God]

24 minutes ago, JustinSFC said:

Shopping is arguably the worst in the country

How have you worked that out? A city with West Quay and a large high street is poorer for shopping than a small town or village? 🤔

Edited 17 November, 2021 by Matthew Le God

[Verbal]

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[Lighthouse]

10 minutes ago, JustinSFC said:

Yes it does.

I'm Southampton born and bred and if I could afford it, I'd take Brighton all day long.

In fact, if it wasn't for the obvious family, friends, work and the same for my girlfriend, I wouldn't stay in Southampton.

It's drab and boring.

Shopping is arguably the worst in the country and people are complete fucking pricks here.

You don’t say.

[Matthew Le God]

22 minutes ago, Verbal said:

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[JustinSFC]

23 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

You don’t say.

Shut up.

[JustinSFC]

31 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

How have you worked that out? A city with West Quay and a large high street is poorer for shopping than a small town or village? 🤔

I'm not comparing it to a small town or village am I?

Comparing Southampton with Brighton for example for shopping, then yes. Brighton is far far better.

[Matthew Le God]

1 hour ago, JustinSFC said:

Shopping is arguably the worst in the country 

 

35 minutes ago, JustinSFC said:

I'm not comparing it to a small town or village am I?

Comparing Southampton with Brighton for example for shopping, then yes. Brighton is far far better.

Nonsense, you said it was 'arguably the worst in the country'. That is more than just doing a straight comparison with Brighton. 

Thus thread has gone off course somewhat! 😁

Edited 17 November, 2021 by Matthew Le God

[JustinSFC]

Oh sorry.

You don't like it being taken off course when it's your own thread but do it to every single other thread that's ever been posted that isn't.

Anyway.

Whatever. 

Yawn.

[Matthew Le God]

2 minutes ago, JustinSFC said:

Oh sorry.

You don't like it being taken off course when it's your own thread but do it to every single other thread that's ever been posted that isn't.

Anyway.

Whatever. 

Yawn.

You ignored the first paragraph then.

[hackedoff]

6 hours ago, DT said:

It does really. Better restaurants, better bars, a beach, beautiful countryside, more and better culture, architecture, infrastructure. List goes on I'm afraid. Still wouldn't be crucial in attracting players though. It's money, mainly, and the team.

" Culture", is that the PC way to descibe it these days ?

[notnowcato]

2 hours ago, hackedoff said:

" Culture", is that the PC way to descibe it these days ?

Describe what exactly?  

[Paulwantsapint81]

Staplewood being where it is gives a great location for the young kids who will hopefully become the stars of tomorrow 

Staplewood is also Markus’ legacy 

 

All the ideas of needing a training campus nearer to London, maybe the club should leave St Mary’s & build a new ground just north of Basingstoke or just outside of Cheshire 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

3 hours ago, Paulwantsapint81 said:

All the ideas of needing a training campus nearer to London, maybe the club should leave St Mary’s & build a new ground just north of Basingstoke or just outside of Cheshire 

Once we're free of the shackles of being in Southampton, why settle down? We could have bespoke pop up ground and training facilities, ever ready to maximise our pulling power for the most important things in football for players: seemingly access to good food, night life and not too far from a nice home. Southampton Wanderers has a lovely ring to it. 🙂

[Fan The Flames]

10 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

You ignored the first paragraph then.

No, like most on here he ignored all of the post.

[hackedoff]

What's your take on culture,exactly?