Tyler Dibling

[suewhistle]

On 03/06/2025 at 11:40, Saint_Jonny said:

I honestly don't see Dibling doing any better than Edozie did for us in the Championship last time out. I think he will do "fine" at times and frustrate a lot more than people think, and that he will end up being worth fuck all.

I think you and others with a similar opinion are wrong and I've watched a lot of players come through in my time. We can perhaps ignore Chelsea taking him early on the basis they take lots of young players, ammortise many over long periods and pay them too much to be able to get rid of them!

But anyone who saw his best bits last season, terrorising top full backs,and teams doubling up on him and trying to rough him up will have caught glimpses of his potential. I don't recall other hopes like Hesketh or Sims ever getting so much attention. Progress, especially when so young, is not linear as those of us who saw Channon and Le Tissier can vouch.

Like them he has the ooo factor, and it'll be fascinating to see how he gets on, just as it was with the players mentioned above along with Bale, Shearer, Stevie Mills, Bridge, Shaw when they debuted for us, and you could see they had something even then.

 

[Chez]

13 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Agreed - and yet Dibling is still with us, with no new contract signed or a new deal offered from another club.  Why is that do you think?

he's still with us because he's under contract and not yet left because our asking price for him is probably massive, so PL clubs may want to see a bit more before making such a big financial outlay. He has no control over the actions of buying teams, but just because there isn't a buyer right now, that doesn't mean he has no choice but to sign a new contract with us. A buyer could emerge at any point between now and the end of his contract in 2027. I am pretty sure his agent will have been contacted by a host of teams, so will be fully aware that Saints are not the only team that rate him.

He's not signed a new contract with us because:
a) we have not offered him as much as he thinks he's worth
b) we are in the championship and he wants to play in the PL
c) he doesn't have to sign a new contract if he doesn't want to
d) waiting before signing a new contract gives him much more flexibility and negotiating strength

[Saint Fan CaM]

1 hour ago, Chez said:

he's still with us because he's under contract and not yet left because our asking price for him is probably massive, so PL clubs may want to see a bit more before making such a big financial outlay. He has no control over the actions of buying teams, but just because there isn't a buyer right now, that doesn't mean he has no choice but to sign a new contract with us. A buyer could emerge at any point between now and the end of his contract in 2027. I am pretty sure his agent will have been contacted by a host of teams, so will be fully aware that Saints are not the only team that rate him.

He's not signed a new contract with us because:
a) we have not offered him as much as he thinks he's worth - possibly, but as likely his agent thinks this
b) we are in the championship and he wants to play in the PL - maybe, but not for certain…he’s not pressing to move
c) he doesn't have to sign a new contract if he doesn't want to - obvious…applies to any player
d) waiting before signing a new contract gives him much more flexibility and negotiating strength - in his case I’m not so sure, but if so that applies to any player

My guess is that Tyler’s contract situation is somewhat unique to Tyler. My only hope is that if he stays it doesn’t affect his ability to show up this season - for many of us that’s the critical point I think.

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

My guess is that Tyler’s contract situation is somewhat unique to Tyler. My only hope is that if he stays it doesn’t affect his ability to show up this season - for many of us that’s the critical point I think.

There is a worry that Ramsdale, THB and Fernandes leaves, Dibling stays and everyone is excited as our big hope and then he's really crap and his heads gone. Not saying that will happen but it's certainly a higher risk than someone like Fernandes. 

[saintant]

I'm certain Fernandes is going to be a top player and will continue on his upward trajectory. He is just that type of player who knuckles down, works hard, improves, knows what he needs to do and gets on with it. Dibling still needs some major polishing, nurturing and cajoling and much of his future will depend on his attitude and whether his next move, whenever that may be, is right for him. He has the potential to eclipse Fernandes but may not do so for various reasons. If we theoretically are going to lose one or the other right now I'd probably prefer to keep Fernandes. 

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, Chez said:

he's still with us because he's under contract and not yet left because our asking price for him is probably massive, so PL clubs may want to see a bit more before making such a big financial outlay. He has no control over the actions of buying teams, but just because there isn't a buyer right now, that doesn't mean he has no choice but to sign a new contract with us. A buyer could emerge at any point between now and the end of his contract in 2027. I am pretty sure his agent will have been contacted by a host of teams, so will be fully aware that Saints are not the only team that rate him.

He's not signed a new contract with us because:
a) we have not offered him as much as he thinks he's worth
b) we are in the championship and he wants to play in the PL
c) he doesn't have to sign a new contract if he doesn't want to
d) waiting before signing a new contract gives him much more flexibility and negotiating strength

I think we should just get him signed up for a 6 year deal on low wages and stop messing about

[pimpin4rizeal]

18 hours ago, Turkish said:

I think it’s hilariously naive that there are still people who think we can tie down all our top young players into long contracts on low wages and them and their agents will be like starry eyed little boys signing the contract as soon as the can with no idea of anything else going on in the insestuous, money obsessed  football world, what their market value and wage expectations should be. 
 

There not much weight behind any of what your saying there though .. it’s basically just giving the club the benefit of the doubt that between them and Russell Martin they played the dibling contract situation perfectly you trust them a lot more then me .

your pretty much making out dibling and his agent would be so aware that they where above us and to not sign a extension but the season before he could barely get a game in the championship - absolutely no reason at all coming into the premiership season that they hold all the cards .. to add to that he was happy enough to sign a deal prior to that

then you have jay Robinson no problem with him signing a deal to 2029 and you could even speculate that the club learned there lesson here and was super rapid in signing him up to avoid another dibling situation ?

[BarberSaint]

Dibling probably should have played in the Champ. I think JR won't ever get to TD's level. I think TD is interested mostly in football but probably needs a bit of an arm around his shoulder. If we go up, I wouldn't be surprised if he did sign a new deal or maybe before if the football's going well.

I agree that a year at this level will probably be good for him and he might enjoy it more than he thinks.

[hypochondriac]

28 minutes ago, BarberSaint said:

Dibling probably should have played in the Champ. I think JR won't ever get to TD's level. I think TD is interested mostly in football but probably needs a bit of an arm around his shoulder. If we go up, I wouldn't be surprised if he did sign a new deal or maybe before if the football's going well.

I agree that a year at this level will probably be good for him and he might enjoy it more than he thinks.

I think Tyler Dibling is on the autistic spectrum and struggles with change. He probably needs to be handled in a very specific way. 

[Verbal]

7 hours ago, saintant said:

I'm certain Fernandes is going to be a top player and will continue on his upward trajectory. He is just that type of player who knuckles down, works hard, improves, knows what he needs to do and gets on with it. Dibling still needs some major polishing, nurturing and cajoling and much of his future will depend on his attitude and whether his next move, whenever that may be, is right for him. He has the potential to eclipse Fernandes but may not do so for various reasons. If we theoretically are going to lose one or the other right now I'd probably prefer to keep Fernandes. 

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Edited Wednesday at 22:06 by Verbal

[CB Fry]

12 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

There not much weight behind any of what your saying there though .. it’s basically just giving the club the benefit of the doubt that between them and Russell Martin they played the dibling contract situation perfectly you trust them a lot more then me .

your pretty much making out dibling and his agent would be so aware that they where above us and to not sign a extension but the season before he could barely get a game in the championship - absolutely no reason at all coming into the premiership season that they hold all the cards .. to add to that he was happy enough to sign a deal prior to that

then you have jay Robinson no problem with him signing a deal to 2029 and you could even speculate that the club learned there lesson here and was super rapid in signing him up to avoid another dibling situation ?

You're still coming at it from a position that everything that happens in a players career is entirely decided by the club. The player is just an empty vessel chess piece that the club alone decides what do with. According to you Tyler doesn't sign an longer contract because the club decided not to progress it. Well, maybe there is more to it than that.

He had already been to Chelsea and back so yeah, I think ok to assume the player and agent has a sense of his value. They can sit tight if they want, and there are alternative scenarios where he asks to leave if they felt bounced into being tied down. Would it have been better just to let him go to Palace or Brentford a year ago because we say "ok you'll never play in the first team if you dont sign". 

We get plenty of moans when young players leave because they don't get game time. This time we give him game time and guess what you think that's wrong too.

Edited Thursday at 05:03 by CB Fry

[revolution saint]

12 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

I think Tyler Dibling is on the autistic spectrum and struggles with change. He probably needs to be handled in a very specific way. 

Based on what exactly?  That he failed to settle at Chelsea when he was 16?  That doesn't make him autistic.

[Disco Stu]

12 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

I think Tyler Dibling is on the autistic spectrum and struggles with change. He probably needs to be handled in a very specific way. 

Who started this rumour? I don't think it's something we should speculate on.

[maysie]

Seem Hypo is a Hypochondriac for strangers too….

Needs to add ‘by proxy’ to his username.

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, revolution saint said:

Based on what exactly?  That he failed to settle at Chelsea when he was 16?  That doesn't make him autistic.

Based on the fact I know someone who knows his family. 

[revolution saint]

14 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Based on the fact I know someone who knows his family. 

I'm sure they'll be glad you're sharing it then.

[Saint Fan CaM]

14 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

I think Tyler Dibling is on the autistic spectrum and struggles with change. He probably needs to be handled in a very specific way. 

1 hour ago, revolution saint said:

Based on what exactly?  That he failed to settle at Chelsea when he was 16?  That doesn't make him autistic.

1 hour ago, Disco Stu said:

Who started this rumour? I don't think it's something we should speculate on.

We’re all on the autistic spectrum and there are an infinite number of ways it can manifest itself in an individual. Struggling with change is remarkably common among the population, whether that be in home life, in work or just living in general - it’s just that some have better coping strategies than others.  It’s not a taboo subject and nor should it be swept under the carpet. I have direct experience with a family member by the way.

Whether the condition affects Tyler Dibling is speculation, however the club should be commended for bringing him ‘home’ after his Chelsea experience didn’t work out. How far that ‘nurturing’ stretches now he’s an adult on a senior contract remains to be seen, however my feeling is both parties would like to see him renew his contract…the terms are as always the issue.

[hypochondriac]

35 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

I'm sure they'll be glad you're sharing it then.

Why would that be something to be ashamed of? Plenty of successful people are. 

[revolution saint]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

Why would that be something to be ashamed of? Plenty of successful people are. 

Nice strawman - never said it was anything to be ashamed of.  Point is - not your decision to share, is it? 

[ally_uk]

I'm on the spectrum and if he is I completely get it change is very scary. 

Doesn't make him less of a person for being autistic if he is. We can't help being born this way..... 

 

Edited Thursday at 10:57 by ally_uk

[leesaint88]

10 minutes ago, ally_uk said:

I'm on the spectrum and if he is I completely get it change is very scary. 

Doesn't make him less of a person for being autistic if he is. We can't help being born this way..... 

 

Likewise.

I know the former Portsmouth (boooo) defender Greg Halford is too, and has written at length the impact it had on his career and issues he had with managers and team mates. 

[hypochondriac]

36 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

Nice strawman - never said it was anything to be ashamed of.  Point is - not your decision to share, is it? 

I'm not aware it's a secret, simply factual like hair colour or height. 

[revolution saint]

19 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I'm not aware it's a secret, simply factual like hair colour or height. 

That makes no sense whatsoever.  Hair colour and height are visible and obvious, autism often isn't and therefore the decision on whether to share it or not is entirely up to the individual.

Anyway, I'm calling bollocks on the whole thing - I suspect Tyler hasn't had a diagnosis and it's probably pointless speculation.

[Verbal]

2 hours ago, revolution saint said:

That makes no sense whatsoever.  Hair colour and height are visible and obvious, autism often isn't and therefore the decision on whether to share it or not is entirely up to the individual.

Anyway, I'm calling bollocks on the whole thing - I suspect Tyler hasn't had a diagnosis and it's probably pointless speculation.

Very much this. Autism is something determined by professional psychologists in tests and face-to-face consultations, not by randoms on the internet.

[sockeye]

Even Messi is autistic according to the Internet. Not that he doesn't display some of those traits thoughbeit. Anyway, I think the main point is that the Chelsea academy was not the right environment for Dibling, rather than him disliking the idea of leaving Southampton altogether. 

[pimpin4rizeal]

11 hours ago, CB Fry said:

You're still coming at it from a position that everything that happens in a players career is entirely decided by the club. The player is just an empty vessel chess piece that the club alone decides what do with. According to you Tyler doesn't sign an longer contract because the club decided not to progress it. Well, maybe there is more to it than that.

He had already been to Chelsea and back so yeah, I think ok to assume the player and agent has a sense of his value. They can sit tight if they want, and there are alternative scenarios where he asks to leave if they felt bounced into being tied down. Would it have been better just to let him go to Palace or Brentford a year ago because we say "ok you'll never play in the first team if you dont sign". 

We get plenty of moans when young players leave because they don't get game time. This time we give him game time and guess what you think that's wrong too.

Even so there’s nothing to really back up that he would be expecting first team football in the premier league last season .. he was hardly getting a sniff in the championship and  then the club also step up a level , which would really make it even a more tempting proposal if he we offered him a extension at the start of last season .

We can’t really prove who’s right on this debate .. but I certainly wouldn’t be confident that the same club who have fucked up pretty much all our recruitment and offered McCarthy and Martin new contracts last year played a blinder on this one 

[Saint Fan CaM]

4 hours ago, Verbal said:

Very much this. Autism is something determined by professional psychologists in tests and face-to-face consultations, not by randoms on the internet.

Well that shows how little you know about the subject. Autism is not determined by professionals - it is diagnosed and the extent to which the patient is affected is determined so appropriate support can be provided as necessary. Nobody here is stating categorically that Tyler is autistic - that’s an absurd accusation. There’s been speculation that he might have been diagnosed, but if that’s the case he can clearly function as a pro footballer with appropriate support. And fair play to him if that’s the case.

[Verbal]

3 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Autism is not determined by professionals 

Jesus wept

[Saint Fan CaM]

3 minutes ago, Verbal said:

Jesus wept

You said it pal.