Tyler Dibling

[suewhistle]

On 03/06/2025 at 11:40, Saint_Jonny said:

I honestly don't see Dibling doing any better than Edozie did for us in the Championship last time out. I think he will do "fine" at times and frustrate a lot more than people think, and that he will end up being worth fuck all.

I think you and others with a similar opinion are wrong and I've watched a lot of players come through in my time. We can perhaps ignore Chelsea taking him early on the basis they take lots of young players, ammortise many over long periods and pay them too much to be able to get rid of them!

But anyone who saw his best bits last season, terrorising top full backs,and teams doubling up on him and trying to rough him up will have caught glimpses of his potential. I don't recall other hopes like Hesketh or Sims ever getting so much attention. Progress, especially when so young, is not linear as those of us who saw Channon and Le Tissier can vouch.

Like them he has the ooo factor, and it'll be fascinating to see how he gets on, just as it was with the players mentioned above along with Bale, Shearer, Stevie Mills, Bridge, Shaw when they debuted for us, and you could see they had something even then.

 

[Chez]

13 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Agreed - and yet Dibling is still with us, with no new contract signed or a new deal offered from another club.  Why is that do you think?

he's still with us because he's under contract and not yet left because our asking price for him is probably massive, so PL clubs may want to see a bit more before making such a big financial outlay. He has no control over the actions of buying teams, but just because there isn't a buyer right now, that doesn't mean he has no choice but to sign a new contract with us. A buyer could emerge at any point between now and the end of his contract in 2027. I am pretty sure his agent will have been contacted by a host of teams, so will be fully aware that Saints are not the only team that rate him.

He's not signed a new contract with us because:
a) we have not offered him as much as he thinks he's worth
b) we are in the championship and he wants to play in the PL
c) he doesn't have to sign a new contract if he doesn't want to
d) waiting before signing a new contract gives him much more flexibility and negotiating strength

[Saint Fan CaM]

1 hour ago, Chez said:

he's still with us because he's under contract and not yet left because our asking price for him is probably massive, so PL clubs may want to see a bit more before making such a big financial outlay. He has no control over the actions of buying teams, but just because there isn't a buyer right now, that doesn't mean he has no choice but to sign a new contract with us. A buyer could emerge at any point between now and the end of his contract in 2027. I am pretty sure his agent will have been contacted by a host of teams, so will be fully aware that Saints are not the only team that rate him.

He's not signed a new contract with us because:
a) we have not offered him as much as he thinks he's worth - possibly, but as likely his agent thinks this
b) we are in the championship and he wants to play in the PL - maybe, but not for certain…he’s not pressing to move
c) he doesn't have to sign a new contract if he doesn't want to - obvious…applies to any player
d) waiting before signing a new contract gives him much more flexibility and negotiating strength - in his case I’m not so sure, but if so that applies to any player

My guess is that Tyler’s contract situation is somewhat unique to Tyler. My only hope is that if he stays it doesn’t affect his ability to show up this season - for many of us that’s the critical point I think.

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

My guess is that Tyler’s contract situation is somewhat unique to Tyler. My only hope is that if he stays it doesn’t affect his ability to show up this season - for many of us that’s the critical point I think.

There is a worry that Ramsdale, THB and Fernandes leaves, Dibling stays and everyone is excited as our big hope and then he's really crap and his heads gone. Not saying that will happen but it's certainly a higher risk than someone like Fernandes. 

[saintant]

I'm certain Fernandes is going to be a top player and will continue on his upward trajectory. He is just that type of player who knuckles down, works hard, improves, knows what he needs to do and gets on with it. Dibling still needs some major polishing, nurturing and cajoling and much of his future will depend on his attitude and whether his next move, whenever that may be, is right for him. He has the potential to eclipse Fernandes but may not do so for various reasons. If we theoretically are going to lose one or the other right now I'd probably prefer to keep Fernandes. 

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, Chez said:

he's still with us because he's under contract and not yet left because our asking price for him is probably massive, so PL clubs may want to see a bit more before making such a big financial outlay. He has no control over the actions of buying teams, but just because there isn't a buyer right now, that doesn't mean he has no choice but to sign a new contract with us. A buyer could emerge at any point between now and the end of his contract in 2027. I am pretty sure his agent will have been contacted by a host of teams, so will be fully aware that Saints are not the only team that rate him.

He's not signed a new contract with us because:
a) we have not offered him as much as he thinks he's worth
b) we are in the championship and he wants to play in the PL
c) he doesn't have to sign a new contract if he doesn't want to
d) waiting before signing a new contract gives him much more flexibility and negotiating strength

I think we should just get him signed up for a 6 year deal on low wages and stop messing about

[pimpin4rizeal]

18 hours ago, Turkish said:

I think it’s hilariously naive that there are still people who think we can tie down all our top young players into long contracts on low wages and them and their agents will be like starry eyed little boys signing the contract as soon as the can with no idea of anything else going on in the insestuous, money obsessed  football world, what their market value and wage expectations should be. 
 

There not much weight behind any of what your saying there though .. it’s basically just giving the club the benefit of the doubt that between them and Russell Martin they played the dibling contract situation perfectly you trust them a lot more then me .

your pretty much making out dibling and his agent would be so aware that they where above us and to not sign a extension but the season before he could barely get a game in the championship - absolutely no reason at all coming into the premiership season that they hold all the cards .. to add to that he was happy enough to sign a deal prior to that

then you have jay Robinson no problem with him signing a deal to 2029 and you could even speculate that the club learned there lesson here and was super rapid in signing him up to avoid another dibling situation ?

[BarberSaint]

Dibling probably should have played in the Champ. I think JR won't ever get to TD's level. I think TD is interested mostly in football but probably needs a bit of an arm around his shoulder. If we go up, I wouldn't be surprised if he did sign a new deal or maybe before if the football's going well.

I agree that a year at this level will probably be good for him and he might enjoy it more than he thinks.

[hypochondriac]

28 minutes ago, BarberSaint said:

Dibling probably should have played in the Champ. I think JR won't ever get to TD's level. I think TD is interested mostly in football but probably needs a bit of an arm around his shoulder. If we go up, I wouldn't be surprised if he did sign a new deal or maybe before if the football's going well.

I agree that a year at this level will probably be good for him and he might enjoy it more than he thinks.

I think Tyler Dibling is on the autistic spectrum and struggles with change. He probably needs to be handled in a very specific way. 

[Verbal]

7 hours ago, saintant said:

I'm certain Fernandes is going to be a top player and will continue on his upward trajectory. He is just that type of player who knuckles down, works hard, improves, knows what he needs to do and gets on with it. Dibling still needs some major polishing, nurturing and cajoling and much of his future will depend on his attitude and whether his next move, whenever that may be, is right for him. He has the potential to eclipse Fernandes but may not do so for various reasons. If we theoretically are going to lose one or the other right now I'd probably prefer to keep Fernandes. 

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Edited July 16 by Verbal

[CB Fry]

12 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

There not much weight behind any of what your saying there though .. it’s basically just giving the club the benefit of the doubt that between them and Russell Martin they played the dibling contract situation perfectly you trust them a lot more then me .

your pretty much making out dibling and his agent would be so aware that they where above us and to not sign a extension but the season before he could barely get a game in the championship - absolutely no reason at all coming into the premiership season that they hold all the cards .. to add to that he was happy enough to sign a deal prior to that

then you have jay Robinson no problem with him signing a deal to 2029 and you could even speculate that the club learned there lesson here and was super rapid in signing him up to avoid another dibling situation ?

You're still coming at it from a position that everything that happens in a players career is entirely decided by the club. The player is just an empty vessel chess piece that the club alone decides what do with. According to you Tyler doesn't sign an longer contract because the club decided not to progress it. Well, maybe there is more to it than that.

He had already been to Chelsea and back so yeah, I think ok to assume the player and agent has a sense of his value. They can sit tight if they want, and there are alternative scenarios where he asks to leave if they felt bounced into being tied down. Would it have been better just to let him go to Palace or Brentford a year ago because we say "ok you'll never play in the first team if you dont sign". 

We get plenty of moans when young players leave because they don't get game time. This time we give him game time and guess what you think that's wrong too.

Edited July 17 by CB Fry

[revolution saint]

12 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

I think Tyler Dibling is on the autistic spectrum and struggles with change. He probably needs to be handled in a very specific way. 

Based on what exactly?  That he failed to settle at Chelsea when he was 16?  That doesn't make him autistic.

[Disco Stu]

12 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

I think Tyler Dibling is on the autistic spectrum and struggles with change. He probably needs to be handled in a very specific way. 

Who started this rumour? I don't think it's something we should speculate on.

[maysie]

Seem Hypo is a Hypochondriac for strangers too….

Needs to add ‘by proxy’ to his username.

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, revolution saint said:

Based on what exactly?  That he failed to settle at Chelsea when he was 16?  That doesn't make him autistic.

Based on the fact I know someone who knows his family. 

[revolution saint]

14 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Based on the fact I know someone who knows his family. 

I'm sure they'll be glad you're sharing it then.

[Saint Fan CaM]

14 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

I think Tyler Dibling is on the autistic spectrum and struggles with change. He probably needs to be handled in a very specific way. 

1 hour ago, revolution saint said:

Based on what exactly?  That he failed to settle at Chelsea when he was 16?  That doesn't make him autistic.

1 hour ago, Disco Stu said:

Who started this rumour? I don't think it's something we should speculate on.

We’re all on the autistic spectrum and there are an infinite number of ways it can manifest itself in an individual. Struggling with change is remarkably common among the population, whether that be in home life, in work or just living in general - it’s just that some have better coping strategies than others.  It’s not a taboo subject and nor should it be swept under the carpet. I have direct experience with a family member by the way.

Whether the condition affects Tyler Dibling is speculation, however the club should be commended for bringing him ‘home’ after his Chelsea experience didn’t work out. How far that ‘nurturing’ stretches now he’s an adult on a senior contract remains to be seen, however my feeling is both parties would like to see him renew his contract…the terms are as always the issue.

[hypochondriac]

35 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

I'm sure they'll be glad you're sharing it then.

Why would that be something to be ashamed of? Plenty of successful people are. 

[revolution saint]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

Why would that be something to be ashamed of? Plenty of successful people are. 

Nice strawman - never said it was anything to be ashamed of.  Point is - not your decision to share, is it? 

[ally_uk]

I'm on the spectrum and if he is I completely get it change is very scary. 

Doesn't make him less of a person for being autistic if he is. We can't help being born this way..... 

 

Edited July 17 by ally_uk

[leesaint88]

10 minutes ago, ally_uk said:

I'm on the spectrum and if he is I completely get it change is very scary. 

Doesn't make him less of a person for being autistic if he is. We can't help being born this way..... 

 

Likewise.

I know the former Portsmouth (boooo) defender Greg Halford is too, and has written at length the impact it had on his career and issues he had with managers and team mates. 

[hypochondriac]

36 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

Nice strawman - never said it was anything to be ashamed of.  Point is - not your decision to share, is it? 

I'm not aware it's a secret, simply factual like hair colour or height. 

[revolution saint]

19 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I'm not aware it's a secret, simply factual like hair colour or height. 

That makes no sense whatsoever.  Hair colour and height are visible and obvious, autism often isn't and therefore the decision on whether to share it or not is entirely up to the individual.

Anyway, I'm calling bollocks on the whole thing - I suspect Tyler hasn't had a diagnosis and it's probably pointless speculation.

[Verbal]

2 hours ago, revolution saint said:

That makes no sense whatsoever.  Hair colour and height are visible and obvious, autism often isn't and therefore the decision on whether to share it or not is entirely up to the individual.

Anyway, I'm calling bollocks on the whole thing - I suspect Tyler hasn't had a diagnosis and it's probably pointless speculation.

Very much this. Autism is something determined by professional psychologists in tests and face-to-face consultations, not by randoms on the internet.

[sockeye]

Even Messi is autistic according to the Internet. Not that he doesn't display some of those traits thoughbeit. Anyway, I think the main point is that the Chelsea academy was not the right environment for Dibling, rather than him disliking the idea of leaving Southampton altogether. 

[pimpin4rizeal]

11 hours ago, CB Fry said:

You're still coming at it from a position that everything that happens in a players career is entirely decided by the club. The player is just an empty vessel chess piece that the club alone decides what do with. According to you Tyler doesn't sign an longer contract because the club decided not to progress it. Well, maybe there is more to it than that.

He had already been to Chelsea and back so yeah, I think ok to assume the player and agent has a sense of his value. They can sit tight if they want, and there are alternative scenarios where he asks to leave if they felt bounced into being tied down. Would it have been better just to let him go to Palace or Brentford a year ago because we say "ok you'll never play in the first team if you dont sign". 

We get plenty of moans when young players leave because they don't get game time. This time we give him game time and guess what you think that's wrong too.

Even so there’s nothing to really back up that he would be expecting first team football in the premier league last season .. he was hardly getting a sniff in the championship and  then the club also step up a level , which would really make it even a more tempting proposal if he we offered him a extension at the start of last season .

We can’t really prove who’s right on this debate .. but I certainly wouldn’t be confident that the same club who have fucked up pretty much all our recruitment and offered McCarthy and Martin new contracts last year played a blinder on this one 

[Saint Fan CaM]

4 hours ago, Verbal said:

Very much this. Autism is something determined by professional psychologists in tests and face-to-face consultations, not by randoms on the internet.

Well that shows how little you know about the subject. Autism is not determined by professionals - it is diagnosed and the extent to which the patient is affected is determined so appropriate support can be provided as necessary. Nobody here is stating categorically that Tyler is autistic - that’s an absurd accusation. There’s been speculation that he might have been diagnosed, but if that’s the case he can clearly function as a pro footballer with appropriate support. And fair play to him if that’s the case.

[Verbal]

3 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Autism is not determined by professionals 

Jesus wept

[Saint Fan CaM]

3 minutes ago, Verbal said:

Jesus wept

You said it pal.

[John B]

Southampton reject Everton's £27m bid for Dibling according to the BBC

How much should we expect to receive not sure when his contract ends

 

Tyler Dibling: Southampton reject Everton's £27m bid for winger - BBC Sport

[coalman]

From Dibling's viewpoint he's facing a pretty horrible choice. Stay at a club in a lower division that has been an unstable basket case but be close to home. Or move to a club in a higher division which will pay more, be further from home which may or may not be a basket case. Don't envy him that.

I would've thought Everton wouldn't be a good match for him but who knows when agents get involved it will be life-changing money for a teenager and with no guarantees of how he'd be involved under Still it may be very tempting to make the jump. Particularly if lots of people around him are leaving.

Edited 21 hours ago by coalman

[BarryVenisonsHair]

I think £35 million gets him. Don't believe he is what Everton need right now though. Clearly doesn't want to be here so good riddance. 

[Middlewordie]

Im sure they'll come back with a better offer. Not sure if hes a Moyes player, but he also won't go up in value just by benchwarming in the PL. He's worthy of being a regular playing sub, playing Carabao / FA Cup games etc, and could feasibly establish himself as a regular in that team by the end of the season. Saints should make sure the sell on clause is a big one.

[Willo of Whiteley]

I thought his Dad was his agent?

He’ll be a bench warmer at Everton.

Apart from that random journo has he said he wants to go?

[trousers]

3 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

He’ll be a bench warmer at Everton.

Best bench in the world though

Edited 20 hours ago by trousers

[Matthew Le God]

16 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

I thought his Dad was his agent?

He’ll be a bench warmer at Everton.

Apart from that random journo has he said he wants to go?

They aren't going to pay the amount it would take to buy him for him then to spend most of his time on the bench.

[Midfield_General]

34 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

I thought his Dad was his agent?

He’ll be a bench warmer at Everton.

Apart from that random journo has he said he wants to go?

Their wide options are Dwight McNeill and Illiman Ndiaye, either side of Beto or Youssef Chermiti. He'd improve them instantly, that's why they want to buy him. 

Edited 20 hours ago by Midfield_General

[benjii]

I think it's a mistake to sell now.

His value won't be massively reduced when he has one year left on his contract, particularly if he has just had a great season in the Championship and has multiple parties interested. If that happens, I think we would get a similar amount next summer. If we get promoted we will also be in a position to offer him a much bigger contract and he might even stay.

The silver lining, I suppose, is that Robinson looks very good so we already have the "replacement". 

Edited 19 hours ago by benjii

[Dusic]

3 minutes ago, benjii said:

I think it's a mistake to sell now.

His value won't be massively reduced when he has one year left on his contract, particularly if he has just had a great season in the Championship and has multiple parties interested. If that happens, I think we would get a similar amount next summer. If we get promoted we will also be in a position to offer him a much bigger contract and he might even stay.

The silver lining, I suppose, is that Robinson looks very good so we already have the "replacement". 

Agree apart from the Robinson bit. He plays wide left, Dibling much better from right or central - the two areas we look extremely bereft of options and will certainly need reinforcements.

[Lighthouse]

28 minutes ago, benjii said:

I think it's a mistake to sell now.

His value won't be massively reduced when he has one year left on his contract, particularly if he has just had a great season in the Championship and has multiple parties interested. If that happens, I think we would get a similar amount next summer

Disagree. We’re highly unlikely to get anything near the £27m Everton have already offered (I’m not saying we should accept that) for a player with only a year left on his contract. In a worst case scenario, his head gets turned by someone like Levy and his agent gives us an ultimatum. We could end up in a scenario where he will only sign for Spurs, on the promise of a massive signing on fee, and we end up with turnips as a transfer fee. Basically what happened with Hojbjerg.

[gio1saints]

Anywhere he goes he will earn more in a year than many do in a lifetime. A multimillionaire before he’s even 21. It does strongly look like he’s being advised to take the big money elsewhere. 
My question is : I think his current contract is £5k a week? Is that right? No idea what he was offered but surely Saints can do a one year extension at £50k pw or so and a promise to sell next year offers over £40m?  Would that be a compromise? 

[Midfield_General]

1 hour ago, benjii said:

The silver lining, I suppose, is that Robinson looks very good so we already have the "replacement". 

Yeah, plays on the other side but Robinson has consistently looked one of our best players whenever I've seen him in pre-season. Definitely looks like the next cab off the rank, and us being in the Championship could end up being perfect timing for him to get proper first team game time, and also potentially to boss it and make a name for himself if he's as good as he looks like he might be. 

I look forward to us selling him to Burnley in January. 

Edited 18 hours ago by Midfield_General

[S-Clarke]

I'd have liked to have seen him stay for a year, reassess next summer - but that's a fan talking, we do have to genuinely think about the clubs interests here too. Can they afford losing millions on a homegrown talent? (that's pure profit in PSR terms). Probably not. If he is indeed refusing to sign and has shown no intention of changing that, then I think the club probably only have one call to make this summer if the interest comes.

Is this a good decision from Dibling? Probably not. I've always stood by the opinion that the guy should get his head down this year, play football and become a star man for a team in a lower league. He's still relatively new to professional football so a season with us, against lower opposition, is going to do more for his career right now than a move to the PL as a squad player.

He'll probably play for Everton more than if he went to Spurs, but I still think he'd have better options on the back of a couple more strong seasons for us.

We'll see what happens, but £35-45m is fair value at this point.

Edited 18 hours ago by S-Clarke

[OldNick]

6 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I'd have liked to have seen him stay for a year, reassess next summer - but that's a fan talking, we do have to genuinely think about the clubs interests here too. Can they afford losing millions on a homegrown talent? (that's pure profit in PSR terms). Probably not. If he is indeed refusing to sign and has shown no intention of changing that, then I think the club probably only have one call to make this summer if the interest comes.

 

What if he bombs or gets injured by staying another season with us? The agent will be looking for his fees and so he will be gone I suspect

[gio1saints]

When Villa got promoted to the EPL they made Grealish their best paid player at c £125k pw. To reflect his status. Still sold him for a lot to City though the following year- for £100m - But they got promoted and a year in epl out of what was an obvious talent- like Tyler is.
That was four /five years ago.
It’s a parallel of sorts we might follow. And the prices perhaps too. If we truly believed in the lad. Grealish stats in the champ are comparable to Tyler. These are high stakes. 
 

oh and PS  look where Villa are now. 

Edited 18 hours ago by gio1saints

[benjii]

Turnips.

Edited 17 hours ago by benjii

[benjii]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

Disagree. We’re highly unlikely to get anything near the £27m Everton have already offered (I’m not saying we should accept that) for a player with only a year left on his contract. In a worst case scenario, his head gets turned by someone like Levy and his agent gives us an ultimatum. We could end up in a scenario where he will only sign for Spurs, on the promise of a massive signing on fee, and we end up with turnips as a transfer fee. Basically what happened with Hojbjerg.

Disagree.

[trousers]

5 minutes ago, benjii said:

Turnips.

☝️ This

[Midfield_General]

To cross-post what I said on the general transfer thread: 

He's not going to sign the contract so literally the only option the club has now is to get much as we can for him this summer, before his value drops off a cliff next year. It's the same situation as it was with Livramento, Ings, JWP. 

His agent will be telling interested clubs that that's the situation, and encouraging them to bid, knowing that it will mean the agent gets his payday as we'll have to accept something. Everton have started the bidding at £27m, now it's just a question of how far we can push them up, or whether that acts as a trigger for any other interested parties to put in a better bid. He's basically gone at this point. 

Fortunately, Moyes has done us a massive favour by coming out in the press yesterday and saying how badly they need to get players in and how desperate they are for a winger having been turned down by their top targets, so we should be able to squeeze another £7-10m out of them as a distress purchase now he's shown their hand. Still think someone like Spurs/ Villa/ Fulham might enter the fray though, so we get a nice little bidding war.

I think he'll go for a package worth £40m all-in, but couldn't give a fuck who it's to, to be honest. He's not the finished article, I honestly think it would be better for his development if he played a season in the Championship, but he doesn't want to and with the money he can make from a move, who can blame him. So it's so long, thanks for the money and he'd better hope it works out better for him than the six weeks he lasted at Chelsea. 

[Toadhall Saint]

1 hour ago, Midfield_General said:

To cross-post what I said on the general transfer thread: 

He's not going to sign the contract so literally the only option the club has now is to get much as we can for him this summer, before his value drops off a cliff next year. It's the same situation as it was with Livramento, Ings, JWP. 

His agent will be telling interested clubs that that's the situation, and encouraging them to bid, knowing that it will mean the agent gets his payday as we'll have to accept something. Everton have started the bidding at £27m, now it's just a question of how far we can push them up, or whether that acts as a trigger for any other interested parties to put in a better bid. He's basically gone at this point. 

Fortunately, Moyes has done us a massive favour by coming out in the press yesterday and saying how badly they need to get players in and how desperate they are for a winger having been turned down by their top targets, so we should be able to squeeze another £7-10m out of them as a distress purchase now he's shown their hand. Still think someone like Spurs/ Villa/ Fulham might enter the fray though, so we get a nice little bidding war.

I think he'll go for a package worth £40m all-in, but couldn't give a fuck who it's to, to be honest. He's not the finished article, I honestly think it would be better for his development if he played a season in the Championship, but he doesn't want to and with the money he can make from a move, who can blame him. So it's so long, thanks for the money and he'd better hope it works out better for him than the six weeks he lasted at Chelsea. 

Every bit of this 👍👏