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CB Fry

CB Fry

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42 minutes ago, coalman said:

As will Ruben Selles and Nathan Jones 😮 

Sure. Russell Martin earned it in a way they didn't quite, puts him a notch above those in-season appointments.

coalman

coalman

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20 minutes ago, vectraman said:

Would the Messiah get a winners medal if Rangers won the league?

Ultimate embarrassment to claim it if they win it and he does!

Each club gets 25 medals to distribute as the club sees fit to players, staff and officials. Players need to have played 25% of matches to be eligible and the club can purchase more medals if it chooses to do so.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that Rangers aren't going to bust a gut giving Martin a medal if they win.

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Sheaf Saint

Sheaf Saint

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1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

Bit harsh. He took a team up himself and has done that job. Whatever happens he will always have been a Premier League manager.

He'll always be a has-been.

Colinjb

Colinjb

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1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

Bit harsh. He took a team up himself and has done that job. Whatever happens he will always have been a Premier League manager.

And what illustrious company that puts him in.

Nathan Jones
Tim Sherwood
Stuart Gray
Steve Wigley, etc

CB Fry

CB Fry

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1 minute ago, Colinjb said:

And what illustrious company that puts him in.

Nathan Jones
Tim Sherwood
Stuart Gray
Steve Wigley, etc

None of them took a team into the Premier League.

Colinjb

Colinjb

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2 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

None of them took a team into the Premier League.

Indeed.

Scott Parker, Paul Jewell, Steve Bruce and Neil Warnock want a word.

Honestly, Martin's not worthy of lacing their boots.

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Lord Duckhunter

Lord Duckhunter

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There’s only been 3 previous Saints managers that have won promotion to the top flight, so he absolutely deserves to be called ex premier league manager. A shite one mind, but he earned that title, it wasn’t given to him…

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CB Fry

CB Fry

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4 minutes ago, Colinjb said:

Indeed.

Scott Parker, Paul Jewell, Steve Bruce and Neil Warnock want a word.

Honestly, Martin's not worthy of lacing their boots.

So what?

He took a team up to the Premier League and managed there. Get over it.

 

Colinjb

Colinjb

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33 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

So what?

He took a team up to the Premier League and managed there. Get over it.

 

I'm fine with it. But it shows it's not the ringing endorsement some believe it to be. He's a total fraud.

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Midfield_General

Midfield_General

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49 minutes ago, Colinjb said:

Indeed.

Scott Parker, Paul Jewell, Steve Bruce and Neil Warnock want a word.

Honestly, Martin's not worthy of lacing their boots.

Parker’s an Interesting one. People tend to scoff at him a bit but he has got three different clubs promoted to the Premier League. He gets a bit found out once he’s there, but he is a decent manager in the overall scheme of things. The Adam Armstrong of managers. 

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CB Fry

CB Fry

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26 minutes ago, Colinjb said:

I'm fine with it. But it shows it's not the ringing endorsement some believe it to be. He's a total fraud.

God knows who is dishing out "ringing endorsements". It's a report in The Sun about his wedding.

SNSUN

SNSUN

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1 hour ago, Midfield_General said:

Parker’s an Interesting one. People tend to scoff at him a bit but he has got three different clubs promoted to the Premier League. He gets a bit found out once he’s there, but he is a decent manager in the overall scheme of things. The Adam Armstrong of managers. 

Farke is sort of proving the trend can be bucked. Good at getting teams promoted to the Prem but poor at keeping them there. Until this season with Leeds actually having a chance at staying up. 

Technically Adkins took a team up that stayed there too. Whether we would or not we'll never know as Poch came in.

Midfield_General

Midfield_General

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1 hour ago, SNSUN said:

Farke is sort of proving the trend can be bucked. Good at getting teams promoted to the Prem but poor at keeping them there. Until this season with Leeds actually having a chance at staying up. 

Technically Adkins took a team up that stayed there too. Whether we would or not we'll never know as Poch came in.

Yeah. Under Adkins we were poor when we first went up, as he showed too much loyalty to the championship standard players who had got us up but who clearly weren’t good enough for the top flight (Kelv, Fox, Hooiveld etc), but he looked like he was just starting to steady the ship and get things under control when Poch came in, and when he got canned it felt quite out of the blue. With hindsight it was absolutely the right call, but it felt very harsh at the time. I don’t think he’d have done as well as Poch, but I think he probably would have kept us up. 

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Lighthouse

Lighthouse

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34 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

Yeah. Under Adkins we were poor when we first went up, as he showed too much loyalty to the championship standard players who had got us up but who clearly weren’t good enough for the top flight (Kelv, Fox, Hooiveld etc), but he looked like he was just starting to steady the ship and get things under control when Poch came in, and when he got canned it felt quite out of the blue. With hindsight it was absolutely the right call, but it felt very harsh at the time. I don’t think he’d have done as well as Poch, but I think he probably would have kept us up. 

That’s not really true though, he dropped our talisman and top scorer Lambert for the very first game of the season. Even the players you listed were dropped in favour of Boruc, Shaw and Yoshida. I think he may well have kept us up but he was sacked because he was simply nowhere near as good a manager as Poch.

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Midfield_General

Midfield_General

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27 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

That’s not really true though, he dropped our talisman and top scorer Lambert for the very first game of the season. Even the players you listed were dropped in favour of Boruc, Shaw and Yoshida. I think he may well have kept us up but he was sacked because he was simply nowhere near as good a manager as Poch.

Davis, Fox and Hooiveld all started the season as first choice - all three of them started the first four games of that season. Then when we got off to a terrible start he realised they weren't good enough and started to change it. 

Davis played 10 games that season, Fox played 21 games that season, Hooiveld played 25. Boruc didn't join until the end of September. Gazzaniga played a few in between.

That's my point - after a terrible start, he dropped those players who had got us promoted, and replaced them with better ones, and as a result he slowly started to turn it around. When he was sacked in January he had got us outside the relegation places by 3 points.

But his goose was cooked by then. Cortese wanted an upgrade, and to be fair to him, he went out and got one. 

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Lighthouse

Lighthouse

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8 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

Davis, Fox and Hooiveld all started the season as first choice - all three of them started the first four games of that season. Then when we got off to a terrible start he realised they weren't good enough and started to change it. 

Davis played 10 games that season, Fox played 21 games that season, Hooiveld played 25. Boruc didn't join until the end of September. Gazzaniga played a few in between.

That's my point - after a terrible start, he dropped those players who had got us promoted, and replaced them with better ones, and as a result he slowly started to turn it around. When he was sacked in January he had got us outside the relegation places by 3 points.

But his goose was cooked by then. Cortese wanted an upgrade, and to be fair to him, he went out and got one. 

They started the first four games because their replacements literally hadn't been signed yet and Luke Shaw had just turned 17.

Midfield_General

Midfield_General

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8 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

They started the first four games because their replacements literally hadn't been signed yet and Luke Shaw had just turned 17.

Or - we had to sign the replacements and start playing 17 year-old Shaw because in the first four games it became clear that those players weren’t good enough 🤣

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