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14 hours ago, Miltonaggro said:

They remade it in 2023:

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Another one that knows about playing around the back and lettting too many balls in.

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14 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Does anyone truly believe that Martins EPL squad was good enough to finish anywhere other than the bottom three? If you do just look at the squad lists of the other epl teams…

Supposedly star managers like McKenna could not do it for Ipswich.  The best you could say for the EPL campaigns of Man Utd Spurs and West Ham was that they avoided relegation - ignominiously - and with way better squads - and  supposedly way better managers, than ours. 
 

The single biggest factor in our relegation was failure to upgrade player and squad quality upon promotion. And yes, maybe, that should have included RM himself. But We would have gone down playing any formation and style you wish under any Manager with that squad. 

So, this whining about how shit Martin was or still is may actually be a massive red herring obscuring the real key factor. Keep crying about Martin and forget all he did was play the cards he had only real way he knew how. You need to look upstairs for the real people at fault. 

 

 

Agreed, the squad wasn't good enough and a lot of managers would have struggled to keep us up, but that's not the issue with RM. He was a poundshop Pep who was in it for himself, and he took at lot of us in (myself included) because he talks well.

The issue is that he put his 'belief' ahead of the good of the club, its staff, its players and its fans. He dogmatically refused to adopt any other means neccessary to grind out results here and there, which is what proper managers are supposed to do. Ipswich and Leicester ultimately failed, too, but especially in the case of Ipswich they did it with a lot more dignity than we did. The odds were against them, but they went down fighting. We went down with a whimper, packed with a squad full of emotionally damaged players who'd been hung out to dry and made to look like absolute clowns on the biggest national football stage in the world, all to satisfy one man's ego. We got away with it in the Championship, just, and nearly bottled it before scraping over the line with what must be the only case of him bending that I can remember. Even he realised his stupid approach wasn't going to work in the final, yet he didn't consider it might also happen in the PL, did he?

It didn't matter that he got the boot when he did, the damage was already done. None of those players believed they could do it, thanks to him. It didn't help that SR replaced him with a personality vacuum who wasn't really any better, just in different ways.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, kitch said:

Agreed, the squad wasn't good enough and a lot of managers would have struggled to keep us up, but that's not the issue with RM. He was a poundshop Pep who was in it for himself, and he took at lot of us in (myself included) because he talks well.

The issue is that he put his 'belief' ahead of the good of the club, its staff, its players and its fans. He dogmatically refused to adopt any other means neccessary to grind out results here and there, which is what proper managers are supposed to do. Ipswich and Leicester ultimately failed, too, but especially in the case of Ipswich they did it with a lot more dignity than we did. The odds were against them, but they went down fighting. We went down with a whimper, packed with a squad full of emotionally damaged players who'd been hung out to dry and made to look like absolute clowns on the biggest national football stage in the world, all to satisfy one man's ego. We got away with it in the Championship, just, and nearly bottled it before scraping over the line with what must be the only case of him bending that I can remember. Even he realised his stupid approach wasn't going to work in the final, yet he didn't consider it might also happen in the PL, did he?

It didn't matter that he got the boot when he did, the damage was already done. None of those players believed they could do it, thanks to him. It didn't help that SR replaced him with a personality vacuum who wasn't really any better, just in different ways.

This is spot on, but some on here will never accept it

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31 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Does anyone truly believe that Martins EPL squad was good enough to finish anywhere other than the bottom three? If you do just look at the squad lists of the other epl teams…

Supposedly star managers like McKenna could not do it for Ipswich.  The best you could say for the EPL campaigns of Man Utd Spurs and West Ham was that they avoided relegation - ignominiously - and with way better squads - and  supposedly way better managers, than ours. 
 

The single biggest factor in our relegation was failure to upgrade player and squad quality upon promotion. And yes, maybe, that should have included RM himself. But We would have gone down playing any formation and style you wish under any Manager with that squad. 

So, this whining about how shit Martin was or still is may actually be a massive red herring obscuring the real key factor. Keep crying about Martin and forget all he did was play the cards he had only real way he knew how. You need to look upstairs for the real people at fault. 

 

 

Personally I think finishing 18th with 37 points is much more noble than 20th on 12 points.

Even 20th on GD with 22 points is much more noble.

Martin’s positive qualities lie basically nearly wholly outside of the actual football being played.

Dying for a philosophy is not what football is about

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Posted
8 minutes ago, kitch said:

Agreed, the squad wasn't good enough and a lot of managers would have struggled to keep us up, but that's not the issue with RM. He was a poundshop Pep who was in it for himself, and he took at lot of us in (myself included) because he talks well.

The issue is that he put his 'belief' ahead of the good of the club, its staff, its players and its fans. He dogmatically refused to adopt any other means neccessary to grind out results here and there, which is what proper managers are supposed to do. Ipswich and Leicester ultimately failed, too, but especially in the case of Ipswich they did it with a lot more dignity than we did. The odds were against them, but they went down fighting. We went down with a whimper, packed with a squad full of emotionally damaged players who'd been hung out to dry and made to look like absolute clowns on the biggest national football stage in the world, all to satisfy one man's ego. We got away with it in the Championship, just, and nearly bottled it before scraping over the line with what must be the only case of him bending that I can remember. Even he realised his stupid approach wasn't going to work in the final, yet he didn't consider it might also happen in the PL, did he?

It didn't matter that he got the boot when he did, the damage was already done. None of those players believed they could do it, thanks to him. It didn't help that SR replaced him with a personality vacuum who wasn't really any better, just in different ways.

And the arrogant pr*ck actively denies that he did. Taking the one thing may fans respected him for at the time to insist he should double down on his original approach.

The guy is just an absolute snake oil salesman. 

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Posted

FYI Rangers.

We have some cracking players available at knockdown prices.

Come and get yourselves the ultimate crab midfielder, ideal for propaganda football - Will Smallbone, available at a cut price.

Also, come and get yourselves an outfield player who plays in goal, absolutely ideal for your new direction. Gavin Bazunu is available for free

and last but not least, don't forget to pickup Russell Martins boyfriend, the ultimate ball playing centre back who can play up front, in goal, at left back or RB - basically anywhere on the pitch. Jack Stephens is yours for a snip.

And because we like Rangers, we are even prepared to throw in our dynamic, attacking winger Ryan Fraser into the mix for free. He won't spend more time stirring in the background than on the pitch, honest.

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Posted
17 hours ago, Turkish said:

Why do you need to wait and see? 

we bounced straight back up, so did Leicester, Burnley have done it twice in 3 years, Leeds did it within 2 years.

Of the last 6 teams to be relegated before this season 3 came straight back up, 1 came back up after 2 seasons and one of them lost in the play offs. 5 of the 6 finished in the top 4 of their first season in the championship. Let’s not make out it’ll the greatest resurrection since Lazarus  

 

You make it sound so easy. Take it from me, it won't be. 

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Posted
4 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

FYI Rangers.

We have some cracking players available at knockdown prices.

Come and get yourselves the ultimate crab midfielder, ideal for propaganda football - Will Smallbone, available at a cut price.

Also, come and get yourselves an outfield player who plays in goal, absolutely ideal for your new direction. Gavin Bazunu is available for free

and last but not least, don't forget to pickup Russell Martins boyfriend, the ultimate ball playing centre back who can play up front, in goal, at left back or RB - basically anywhere on the pitch. Jack Stephens is yours for a snip.

And because we like Rangers, we are even prepared to throw in our dynamic, attacking winger Ryan Fraser into the mix for free. He won't spend more time stirring in the background than on the pitch, honest.

It’s a bit mean to single out individual players like that.

 

 

 

 

They can have the fucking lot!!

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Posted
7 minutes ago, kitch said:

Agreed, the squad wasn't good enough and a lot of managers would have struggled to keep us up, but that's not the issue with RM. He was a poundshop Pep who was in it for himself, and he took at lot of us in (myself included) because he talks well.

The issue is that he put his 'belief' ahead of the good of the club, its staff, its players and its fans. He dogmatically refused to adopt any other means neccessary to grind out results here and there, which is what proper managers are supposed to do. Ipswich and Leicester ultimately failed, too, but especially in the case of Ipswich they did it with a lot more dignity than we did. The odds were against them, but they went down fighting. We went down with a whimper, packed with a squad full of emotionally damaged players who'd been hung out to dry and made to look like absolute clowns on the biggest national football stage in the world, all to satisfy one man's ego. We got away with it in the Championship, just, and nearly bottled it before scraping over the line with what must be the only case of him bending that I can remember. Even he realised his stupid approach wasn't going to work in the final, yet he didn't consider it might also happen in the PL, did he?

It didn't matter that he got the boot when he did, the damage was already done. None of those players believed they could do it, thanks to him. It didn't help that SR replaced him with a personality vacuum who wasn't really any better, just in different ways.

Good post.  Think that most Saints fans were willing to give Martin the benefit of the doubt after the playoff campaign and win, during which the side were set up to be completely pragmatic which obviously suited some of the experienced players, notably McCarthy and Armstrong.  These early hopes were dashed in that first return game in the north east, penalty box brain fart by keeper and completely ran out of steam and ideas against ten man Newcastle.  Clearly this was due to the way the team was set up, that's on the manager. First home game, the 1-0 loss to Forest, set up same as Newcastle and that was as near to a men against boys, one nil battering, you will see, Forest out-muscled and bullied Saints all game - home 'team' just going through the motions, like the band playing on the deck of the sinking Titanic, but without the commitment or honour.  I honestly thought that after this initial left right kick in the balls, Martin would learn his lesson, but stubbornly refused and the players looked like they were fully resigned to the drop in that first month - you don't come back from that in the Prem.  The main difference I see in Will Still (and I wasn't enamoured when we were first linked) is that the man is clearly frank, realistic and a pragmatist.  Players are unlikely to get away with bullshit and the preparation and formation are likely to be similarly honest.  That prospect is a sea change from the tippy tappy water torture.    

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Posted (edited)
36 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said:

You make it sound so easy. Take it from me, it won't be. 

My money is on you not referring back to this post in 10 months time if we go straight back up, but wheeling it out every 5 minutes for 7 weeks if we don't... I'll keep a medal aside for you though, just in case... ;)

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Posted
40 minutes ago, kitch said:

Agreed, the squad wasn't good enough and a lot of managers would have struggled to keep us up, but that's not the issue with RM. He was a poundshop Pep who was in it for himself, and he took at lot of us in (myself included) because he talks well.

The issue is that he put his 'belief' ahead of the good of the club, its staff, its players and its fans. He dogmatically refused to adopt any other means neccessary to grind out results here and there, which is what proper managers are supposed to do. Ipswich and Leicester ultimately failed, too, but especially in the case of Ipswich they did it with a lot more dignity than we did. The odds were against them, but they went down fighting. We went down with a whimper, packed with a squad full of emotionally damaged players who'd been hung out to dry and made to look like absolute clowns on the biggest national football stage in the world, all to satisfy one man's ego. We got away with it in the Championship, just, and nearly bottled it before scraping over the line with what must be the only case of him bending that I can remember. Even he realised his stupid approach wasn't going to work in the final, yet he didn't consider it might also happen in the PL, did he?

It didn't matter that he got the boot when he did, the damage was already done. None of those players believed they could do it, thanks to him. It didn't help that SR replaced him with a personality vacuum who wasn't really any better, just in different ways.

 

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Posted
1 hour ago, gio1saints said:

Does anyone truly believe that Martins EPL squad was good enough to finish anywhere other than the bottom three?

Nope. Name 5 posters who thought otherwise before the start of the season...

On the other hand, I could name quite a few posters who didn't think we'd be cast adrift well before Christmas and end up finishing on 12 points....

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Posted
9 minutes ago, trousers said:

My money is on you not referring back to this post in 10 months time if we go straight back up, but wheeling it out every 5 minutes for 7 weeks of we don't... I'll keep a medal aside for you though, just in case... ;)

You might need more than 1…

Posted
1 hour ago, Miltonaggro said:

Good post.  Think that most Saints fans were willing to give Martin the benefit of the doubt after the playoff campaign and win, during which the side were set up to be completely pragmatic which obviously suited some of the experienced players, notably McCarthy and Armstrong.  These early hopes were dashed in that first return game in the north east, penalty box brain fart by keeper and completely ran out of steam and ideas against ten man Newcastle.  Clearly this was due to the way the team was set up, that's on the manager. First home game, the 1-0 loss to Forest, set up same as Newcastle and that was as near to a men against boys, one nil battering, you will see, Forest out-muscled and bullied Saints all game - home 'team' just going through the motions, like the band playing on the deck of the sinking Titanic, but without the commitment or honour.  I honestly thought that after this initial left right kick in the balls, Martin would learn his lesson, but stubbornly refused and the players looked like they were fully resigned to the drop in that first month - you don't come back from that in the Prem.  The main difference I see in Will Still (and I wasn't enamoured when we were first linked) is that the man is clearly frank, realistic and a pragmatist.  Players are unlikely to get away with bullshit and the preparation and formation are likely to be similarly honest.  That prospect is a sea change from the tippy tappy water torture.    

Hopefully the team won’t go around high-fiving and hugging each other before the game either.  That really boils my piss.

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2 hours ago, gio1saints said:

Does anyone truly believe that Martins EPL squad was good enough to finish anywhere other than the bottom three? If you do just look at the squad lists of the other epl teams…

Supposedly star managers like McKenna could not do it for Ipswich.  The best you could say for the EPL campaigns of Man Utd Spurs and West Ham was that they avoided relegation - ignominiously - and with way better squads - and  supposedly way better managers, than ours. 
 

The single biggest factor in our relegation was failure to upgrade player and squad quality upon promotion. And yes, maybe, that should have included RM himself. But We would have gone down playing any formation and style you wish under any Manager with that squad. 

So, this whining about how shit Martin was or still is may actually be a massive red herring obscuring the real key factor. Keep crying about Martin and forget all he did was play the cards he had only real way he knew how. You need to look upstairs for the real people at fault. 

 

 

You are fucking off to a Rangers forum from today, right?

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Posted
37 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Hopefully the team won’t go around high-fiving and hugging each other before the game either.  That really boils my piss.

Hotel kettles boil my piss

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Posted
2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

FYI Rangers.

We have some cracking players available at knockdown prices.

Come and get yourselves the ultimate crab midfielder, ideal for propaganda football - Will Smallbone, available at a cut price.

Also, come and get yourselves an outfield player who plays in goal, absolutely ideal for your new direction. Gavin Bazunu is available for free

and last but not least, don't forget to pickup Russell Martins boyfriend, the ultimate ball playing centre back who can play up front, in goal, at left back or RB - basically anywhere on the pitch. Jack Stephens is yours for a snip.

And because we like Rangers, we are even prepared to throw in our dynamic, attacking winger Ryan Fraser into the mix for free. He won't spend more time stirring in the background than on the pitch, honest.

Buy 1 get 10 free. 

Posted
20 minutes ago, saintant said:

That is embarrassingly funny. All very wooden with a complete lack of warmth on show.

The other 2 couldn't get out fast enough 🤣

Posted
32 minutes ago, saintant said:

That is embarrassingly funny. All very wooden with a complete lack of warmth on show.

Wearing those shoes with a suit, how bloody poor is that. I so wanted Rangers to compete with Celtic but my hopes are dashed

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As some have suggested the interviews when they lose a game will be interesting. Much more media spotlight than little old Southampton. If he got chippy at that nice mild mannered Adam Blackmore he's gonna be epic value when he comes up against Glaswegian fans and journalists !

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Posted
36 minutes ago, saintant said:

That is embarrassingly funny. All very wooden with a complete lack of warmth on show.

Yep, and the the room decor was pretty naff too... ;)

Posted
3 hours ago, kitch said:

Agreed, the squad wasn't good enough and a lot of managers would have struggled to keep us up, but that's not the issue with RM. He was a poundshop Pep who was in it for himself, and he took at lot of us in (myself included) because he talks well.

We all knew the squad was weak, but there was an absence of anything else except possession. The only risk taking was in defence where we made so many mistakes. A lack of fitness and fight, players scared to do anything but play the safe ball, again and again and again. An absence of anybody in the opposition box from where most goals tend to be scored. It didn't take many of us long to realise just what a mess we were in.

Contrast Luton from the season before who actually fought and got 26 points, in spite of far fewer resources and an aim to use the opportunity of Premier League income to invest in their infrastructure rather than overspending on crap players. 

 

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Posted
1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

You are fucking off to a Rangers forum from today, right?

I always had a sneaky feeling he might have been a Glaswegian anyway 😉

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He couldn’t coach the gk, defence, midfield or attack to be able to achieve what he wanted. He either thought he could and found he couldn’t, or didn’t believe in who he had in the players group to achieve it. He then bull shitted his way through the season until he got fired. Personally I was very pleased to see the back of him, and couldn’t care less whether he is successful or not. He will of course try to rewrite his history with us as being highly successful. As is the modern way…

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Posted

I was surprised to hear how low the budget is at Rangers. From what I gathered it's £20 million some (not all) of which will be used on player acquisitions. Doesn't give Russell much to play with and it sounds as though they need quite an overhaul in terms of their squad.

Posted
7 minutes ago, saintant said:

I was surprised to hear how low the budget is at Rangers. From what I gathered it's £20 million some (not all) of which will be used on player acquisitions. Doesn't give Russell much to play with and it sounds as though they need quite an overhaul in terms of their squad.

Oh I don't know, I reckon we could work something out 

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

Oh I don't know, I reckon we could work something out 

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Fraser would be a good signing for them at that level. I couldn't help but groan seeing us sign him permanently last year.

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Reading the Ranger's fans forum their supporters are saying Russell will need to buy a goalkeeper who is good with his feet and strengthen their defence. Surely his first move will be to come and get Bazunu and Stephens which will solve two of our problems.

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Posted
11 minutes ago, sockeye said:

Fraser would be a good signing for them at that level. I couldn't help but groan seeing us sign him permanently last year.

Domestically maybe, but they're in the qualifying rounds of the Champions League. They'd need to be aiming a bit higher than that if they were serious about getting through. Can you imagine lining up against PSG with a wing-back who got destroyed by a Leicester substitute? 

Posted
5 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

FYI Rangers.

We have some cracking players available at knockdown prices.

Come and get yourselves the ultimate crab midfielder, ideal for propaganda football - Will Smallbone, available at a cut price.

Also, come and get yourselves an outfield player who plays in goal, absolutely ideal for your new direction. Gavin Bazunu is available for free

and last but not least, don't forget to pickup Russell Martins boyfriend, the ultimate ball playing centre back who can play up front, in goal, at left back or RB - basically anywhere on the pitch. Jack Stephens is yours for a snip.

And because we like Rangers, we are even prepared to throw in our dynamic, attacking winger Ryan Fraser into the mix for free. He won't spend more time stirring in the background than on the pitch, honest.

Sadly the chances of Bazunu, Smallbone and Manning joining Russ at Rangers are very small unless the new owners are willing to completely break with tradition. I don't like sectarianism but it is alive and well in Scottish football. Maybe Smallbone might be considered given that he was born in Basingstoke.

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13 minutes ago, saintant said:

Reading the Ranger's fans forum their supporters are saying Russell will need to buy a goalkeeper who is good with his feet and strengthen their defence. Surely his first move will be to come and get Bazunu and Stephens which will solve two of our problems.

How do RoI players get on at rangers?

Posted
2 hours ago, suewhistle said:

Incidentally, has anyone from here gone on the Ranger's forum to commiserate and give them the consensus of our views?

 

Tee hee..

I had a quick look. They're running through The Five Stages Of Appointing Russell Martin in textbook fashion: 

  • 1 week ago - Denial: "Ah think we'll be aiming a bit higher than Russell Martin, don't ye?"  
  • 3 days ago - Anger: "If we appoint him ah'm burning mah season ticket!"   
  • 2 days ago - Bargaining: "Ah didn't want Davide Ancelotti, but ah'd take him if it's a straight choice between him ay Martin"  
  • Last night - Depression: "I cannae believe the board have done this. This is the worst day in my 50 years ay supporting this club"  
  • Today - Acceptance: "Just seen his first press conference - he talks so well, ah take it all back!"  
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Posted
3 hours ago, suewhistle said:

We all knew the squad was weak, but there was an absence of anything else except possession. The only risk taking was in defence where we made so many mistakes. A lack of fitness and fight, players scared to do anything but play the safe ball, again and again and again. An absence of anybody in the opposition box from where most goals tend to be scored. It didn't take many of us long to realise just what a mess we were in.

Contrast Luton from the season before who actually fought and got 26 points, in spite of far fewer resources and an aim to use the opportunity of Premier League income to invest in their infrastructure rather than overspending on crap players. 

 

Luton were my yardstick, I said to anyone who would listen,  if we gave it a good go like Luton did I’d consider that a reasonable success. 

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Posted (edited)

He only every wanted the Rangers job. He's never been first choice for any role he's ever had. His whole career has been based on proving people wrong. Good to see he's walked through the door with the victim mentality he left with.

One of the Rangers board said "there's a lot to be proud of in Southampton's Premiership season"

Martin "my teams run more than any other - we do more sprints than anyone we play against"

Martin "wherever I've been the supporters have been behind me because of the relationships I've forged"

Martin "it's about courage and intensity and being able to express themselves in the final third"

Martin "Nobody ever talked about my style of play until I got to the Premier League. I don't want to talk about style of play"

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2 minutes ago, coalman said:

He only every wanted the Rangers job. He's never been first choice for any role he's ever had. His whole career has been based on proving people wrong. Good to see he's walked through the door with the victim mentality he left with.

One of the Rangers board said "there's a lot to be proud of in Southampton's Premiership season"

Did they give a single example?

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Midfield_General said:

I had a quick look. They're running through The Five Stages Of Appointing Russell Martin in textbook fashion: 

  • 1 week ago - Denial: "Ah think we'll be aiming a bit higher than Russell Martin, don't ye?"  
  • 3 days ago - Anger: "If we appoint him ah'm burning mah season ticket!"   
  • 2 days ago - Bargaining: "Ah didn't want Davide Ancelotti, but ah'd take him if it's a straight choice between him ay Martin"  
  • Last night - Depression: "I cannae believe the board have done this. This is the worst day in my 50 years ay supporting this club"  
  • Today - Acceptance: "Just seen his first press conference - he talks so well, ah take it all back!"  

Followed by a separate thread:

Did ye catch a glimpse o' the jugs on his burd?

check oot the bangers on that lassie...

(English to Glaswegian Google Translator)

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