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1 minute ago, InvictaSaint said:

Not sure it does. Certainly no more than in any other context. And it’s still technically wrong, from a grammatical perspective. And since that’s the area I work in I’m quite happy to tell you so. But it’s rare for you to ever admit fault, so I don’t expect you to do so on this occasion. I’ll leave it there. 

I think "rare" is doing some heavy lifting there.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Oldandtired said:

This is exhausting. I simply can't wait for what ifs, possiblies, maybes, I heard it from a bloke down the pubs to be replaced by something concrete.

186 pages of it so far

Posted (edited)

Most Saints fans / football lovers would want Tyler and Mateus to be starting every match - in an ideal world.
 

There is a scenario in which we accept lucrative very late in the window offers for both but are unable to replace them permanently with our first or even second choices. 

I think that it’s a fair possibility. The odds that we sell up to £100m worth in this crazy market and are able to replace with anything like that current perceived value must be nil. 
 

At that stage we will be asked to pay a premium for whoever we want - Rudoni becomes a £25m not £20m player the minute it’s known we got £45m for Tyler or Mateus for example. 
 

It’s at this stage that paying a loan fee plus heavy wages for an unwanted EPl player that might be able to do a job becomes more credible an option -despite what the club says about loans. 
 

A £20m-£30m player available for just his wages and £2m fee all of a sudden does not look such a stupid option compared to perhaps overpaying for Rudoni for example. 
 

Not saying Rudoni is not worth it btw- he’s just a convenient example. I’d buy him fir £20m purely cos he’s done the biz in this league recently and I’m sure can do it again - but for £25m versus an attacking EPL player not quite working out costs just his wages and a small fee it’s an interesting choice. Every EPL team has got benched attackers who want to play so it’s not a short list..

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Posted
11 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

He was attempting the correction. So why didn't you say it to him?

Because as per my post it was directed at you because YOU  seem to feel the need to correct every perceived mistake ( in your view) on this forum ! 

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Leeds considering Spertsyan now. No incentive for Krasnodar to have accepted our initial offers this early on. Just as we haven't with Fernandes and Dibling.

Doubt we get him but not really the fault of anyone at the club, its hard to sign good players.

Farke was manager of Krasnodar in 2022.

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Guys, I've taught English and one of the skills is knowing when to correct and when to let it slide. If I corrected all the mistakes on here I'd be giving you all lots of homework!

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Posted (edited)
4 minutes ago, johnnyboy said:

Because as per my post it was directed at you because YOU  seem to feel the need to correct every perceived mistake ( in your view) on this forum ! 

This started with him trying to correct me. Not the reverse.

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3 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Leeds considering Spertsyan now. No incentive for Krasnodar to have accepted our initial offers this early on. Just as we haven't with Fernandes and Dibling.

Doubt we get him but not really the fault of anyone at the club, its hard to sign good players.

they cant be, I got told I was being a usual bedwetter for reporting this yesterday? 

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Just now, Matthew Le God said:

He was trying to correct me. 

Yes I know that , good point well made , my post was concerning the fact that you seem unable to not comment or react to , any possible , in your view , mistakes ! Which as I stated is fucking tedious to the majority on here ! Hope that clears up why I felt the need to respond to your tedious reply HTH

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Saintsarmy said:

they cant be, I got told I was being a usual bedwetter for reporting this yesterday? 

did you report it in the same eloquent way? we do have standards you know 😀

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Posted (edited)
19 minutes ago, Chez said:

Do we need to improve wide attack and AMC if they both stayed?

I think so, yes.  I still believe we lack genuine wide options, I'd class Dibling as more of an inside forward than an out and out winger. I think we could smash a team together, but without some wide options I don't think it would ever truly fit what Still wants to do.

So, even without those sales, we need a GK, a proper 10 and a wide player I'd say.

Bonus positions would be RB and CM in the Charles mould.

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6 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I think so, yes.  I still believe we lack genuine wide options, I'd class Dibling as more of an inside forward than an out and out winger. I think we could smash a team together, but without some wide options I don't think it would ever truly fit what Still wants to do.

So, even without those sales, we need a GK, a proper 10 and a wide player I'd say.

Bonus positions would be RB and CM in the Charles mould.

Centre mid should be a bonus really, adding depth there should be a must. 

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I do feel that SR are keeping their powder dry for next season. DO the minimal now to go up and leve us a good kitty to combat PSR next season where will need to buy, buy ,buy to raise the squad quality. aka Forest and Sunderland now.

Sunderland and Leeds seem to have learned from our mistakes and brought some tall, powerful and quality players so that they MAY compete

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1 minute ago, Appy said:

Centre mid should be a bonus really, adding depth there should be a must. 

Ideally I'd agree too, but I'm thinking more in terms of starting addition priorities - what we don't have at the moment. We do need Charles cover, but we can still play the same way without Charles cover today as long as he's fit.

CM is third priority once we get some starting wide attackers in the door.

I think we've got what, 9-12 days left? We've got to be doing a lot...!

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14 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Leeds considering Spertsyan now. No incentive for Krasnodar to have accepted our initial offers this early on. Just as we haven't with Fernandes and Dibling.

Doubt we get him but not really the fault of anyone at the club, its hard to sign good players.

Leeds have been linked with him since about January this year. The need for a creative midfielder and Farke having managed him helps connect some transfer move dots. Have they made a bid? 

The last time they pipped us to a player it was Junior Firpo who turned out to be garbage. Obviously there was the Gakpo tug of war too.

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Just now, Chez said:

Leeds have been linked with him since about January this year. The need for a creative midfielder and Farke having managed him helps connect some transfer move dots. Have they made a bid? 

The last time they pipped us to a player it was Junior Firpo who turned out to be garbage. Obviously there was the Gakpo tug of war too.

Didn't we both have the same targets that window? They were looking at Perraud and Firpo and so were we.

We got Perraud, and they got Firpo. Neither really won out there.

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3 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Ideally I'd agree too, but I'm thinking more in terms of starting addition priorities - what we don't have at the moment. We do need Charles cover, but we can still play the same way without Charles cover today as long as he's fit.

CM is third priority once we get some starting wide attackers in the door.

I think we've got what, 9-12 days left? We've got to be doing a lot...!

Tick Tock Johnannes

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Posted
1 minute ago, S-Clarke said:

Didn't we both have the same targets that window? They were looking at Perraud and Firpo and so were we.

We got Perraud, and they got Firpo. Neither really won out there.

A bit like when Saints and Palace interviewed De Boer and Pellegrino as their final two candidates for manager. At least Parrish isn’t a carrot cruncher and clocked it inside four games with De Boer. Whereas it took the turnip boys at SMS until March to work out that Pellegrino was wholly unsuited to PL management,  early relegating what should have been at worst a top 12 squad.

Posted
25 minutes ago, Chez said:

I am not sure anyone really thought we would retain them, so rebuilding a side capable of winning the league and perhaps having a few good enough to help keep us up, was always on the cards. If they don't depart, which would be a surprise, that would be two positions filled if we were promoted.

Do we need to improve wide attack and AMC if they both stayed?

Thanks to Chez who is engaging with the on topic discussion while others play dictionary pedantry.

If everyone stayed, in my opinion it is a stronger squad than last championship play offs team.

Goalkeepers as we were, one down in numbers, but Baz looks better than last time

Defenders, weaker at right back having lost KWP, better stocked for centre backs despite losing Bednarek (we occasionally had to use Charles as emergency last time), better options at left back

Midfielders, as we stand today, much improved.  Charles a better player, Fernandes, Dibling and Robinson all upgrades on Kamaldeen, Rothwell and SAA.  Stuart Armstrong and (from Jan) Brooks we’re quality players albeit we didn’t see the best of Brooks

Upfront I believe we are potentially stronger, but accept some of that is unproven.  Mara was poor, but Adams very good at that level.  However Archer, BBD, Downs and a fully fit (if possible) Stewart are potentially stronger.

Squad looks deeper at this point in my view, even if starting eleven isn’t much better than last time

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The absolutely perfect window at this stage for me would be:

Retain Fernandes

Retain Dibling

Sign a Winger

Sign a 10/who can also play as a winger

Sign a GK to push Bazunu

Get a CM and RB in on loan.

 

And the cherry on top -

Leicester sell Fatuwu to Everton and El-Khannous to Palace.

 

That's my optimistic hat on.

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45 minutes ago, InvictaSaint said:

Not sure it does. Certainly no more than in any other context. And it’s still technically wrong, from a grammatical perspective. And since that’s the area I work in I’m quite happy to tell you so. But it’s rare for you to ever admit fault, so I don’t expect you to do so on this occasion. I’ll leave it there. 

And MLG is a teacher! dear dear. 

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Posted (edited)
10 minutes ago, Forester said:

Thanks to Chez who is engaging with the on topic discussion while others play dictionary pedantry.

If everyone stayed, in my opinion it is a stronger squad than last championship play offs team.

Goalkeepers as we were, one down in numbers, but Baz looks better than last time

Defenders, weaker at right back having lost KWP, better stocked for centre backs despite losing Bednarek (we occasionally had to use Charles as emergency last time), better options at left back

Midfielders, as we stand today, much improved.  Charles a better player, Fernandes, Dibling and Robinson all upgrades on Kamaldeen, Rothwell and SAA.  Stuart Armstrong and (from Jan) Brooks we’re quality players albeit we didn’t see the best of Brooks

Upfront I believe we are potentially stronger, but accept some of that is unproven.  Mara was poor, but Adams very good at that level.  However Archer, BBD, Downs and a fully fit (if possible) Stewart are potentially stronger.

Squad looks deeper at this point in my view, even if starting eleven isn’t much better than last time

I think as everyone says, the biggest gap for us in the attacking third. When we came up we had Brooks, Sulemana (not great tbf, but he was an option), Edozie (he's not part of it anymore), SAA, a younger Fraser, Stu, Aribo - much more to choose from in an attacking midfield area. Stu was class at this level.

We've got to get that area sorted before we can say it's stronger or on par with the squad we had available for the playoffs/back end of that season. As it stands we have less attacking options and we'll be less potent imo, but maybe a bit stronger defensively - that may balance it out, who knows - but defo need attacking additions, everyone has said it - even the club.

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2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

The absolutely perfect window at this stage for me would be:

Retain Fernandes

Retain Dibling

Sign a Winger

Sign a 10/who can also play as a winger

Sign a GK to push Bazunu

Get a CM and RB in on loan.

I'd go with that. Reckon the GK and one of the attacking signings would be a loan though and also I think Sesay could make the step up to back up CM.

Posted (edited)
22 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

The absolutely perfect window at this stage for me would be:

Retain Fernandes

Retain Dibling

Sign a Winger

Sign a 10/who can also play as a winger

Sign a GK to push Bazunu

Get a CM and RB in on loan.

 

And the cherry on top -

Leicester sell Fatuwu to Everton and El-Khannous to Palace.

 

That's my optimistic hat on.

That would be an incredibly strong championship team. I’d love to keep both MF and TD

Including those additions 

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Posted
10 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I don't think anyone should get too excited at the prospect of keeping with players. Losing both is still the more likely outcome. I'd be very happy if we kept one. 

Yep, I’m fully expecting them both to leave, came to terms with it weeks ago. 

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There was some talk about picking up Sheffield Wednesdays keeper, Pierce Charles.

He's just been ruled out with injury for 6-8 weeks, so I'd say our scouts are suddenly interested 🙄

 

I feel for Wednesday though, the one good thing going for them at the moment and he's injured.

Posted
1 minute ago, skintsaint said:

Jonathan Rowe on loan with option to buy on promotion? Dreaming much 😅

Sounds more like a cricketer to me.

Jonathan Rowe-Johnson, now youre talking.

Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

I simply don't agree with that. Still has already said that he can't play the formation he wants to at the moment because we don't have any proper wingers. We've brought in a striker with potential but have no reliable out and out number 9 that's going to score 15-20 goals this season unless we are crossing our fingers that Downs with develop in a short period or Stewart is going to suddenly start doing it. Archer is a different type of player that Still seemingly doesn't currently view as a starter. Still also said he wants new players with championship experience so remains to be seen if we can get that in too. So in my mind we need: 

RB 

Extra option in midfield because Downes and Charles won't play every game 

Top quality replacements for Fernandes and Dibling if/when they leave 

At least one winger maybe two 

In a perfect world I'd try to get rid of another forward option and get in a reliable number 9 as the Adams replacement but I accept that's unlikely. 

 

Aribo, Smallbone, Edozie, maybe Sugawara, BBD and ABK all need to leave or go on loan. 

The club sold SAA and have Edozie just sat there. We've also elected not to use Dibling (much) or Aribo (at all).

We've had/have the players.

I was grumbling weeks ago because i didn't want a repeat of 23/24 when we had huge key player churn in mid/late august, and subsequently had a really poor section of form which almost certainly cost us automatic promotion. We look destined to repeat the unsettled squad this time around sadly - hopefully with less of an impact on form.

It is what it is, but it is frustrating. And despite grumbling about it previously, i do have faith that we won't be selling players unless there are decent replacements lined up. Fans will just have to be patient.

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Posted
31 minutes ago, SaintLondon said:

It's not going well is it? 

It's going less well than expected, or should that be 'fewer'?

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Posted (edited)

Just to help appease some worries, the last time we were in the Championship we signed Charles and Manning early doors in July - just like Quarshie and Downs this time round.

Holgate, Fraser, THB, Downes & Stewart all came in post 20th August. We are now in the period things where things start to happen, I also include exits in that. The big sales of Tella, JWP, Lavia all happened in the second half of Aug.

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10 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

The club sold SAA and have Edozie just sat there. We've also elected not to use Dibling (much) or Aribo (at all).

We've had/have the players.

I was grumbling weeks ago because i didn't want a repeat of 23/24 when we had huge key player churn in mid/late august, and subsequently had a really poor section of form which almost certainly cost us automatic promotion. We look destined to repeat the unsettled squad this time around sadly - hopefully with less of an impact on form.

It is what it is, but it is frustrating. And despite grumbling about it previously, i do have faith that we won't be selling players unless there are decent replacements lined up. Fans will just have to be patient.

Losing JWP was the fundamental reason why we struggled in September. He was ideal to play Martin's keep ball and it took a while for his replacements to gel and do the same. Losing Fernandes might have a similar impact, assuming he plays the next couple of games and has a major impact. We will need to start again in September with Spertsyan. Hopefully the new attacking midfielder can hit the ground running and we don't have a similar slump.

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6 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Just to help appease some worries, the last time we were in the Championship we signed Charles and Manning early doors in July - just like Quarshie and Downs this time round.

Holgate, Fraser, THB, Downes & Stewart all came in post 20th August. We are now in the period things where things start to happen, I also include exits in that. The big sales of Tella, JWP, Lavia all happened in the second half of Aug.

When I watched us early season last, I thought we looked a bit disjoined, but the quality of players like JWP stood out. When he left, the quality went down, but the side eventually started to play as a side.

This time around I feel exactly the same. Our pattern of play is a little bit all over the place, but the likes of Fernandes and Charles have that extra quality. When Fernandes and Dibling leave, we need to get it together in terms of tactics and patterns of play.

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I'm not convinced defensive midfield is a priority.

1) the two starters are plenty good enough

2) in this league we don't necessarily need two defensive midfielders

3) Sesay did well in preseason and is probably seen as good enough to cover, plus needs some opportunities 

4) Edwards has played the at prior clubs and when on loan and has done well

5) we have other options for style / shape currently with Fernandes , Dibling, Smallbone, Aribo all able to play in a central combination (obviously most may leave)

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Posted
15 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Has the person you know mentioned the likelihood of selling Fernandes? 

Naa.

It was the same person who told me last summer we’d sign Ramsdale and Fraser maybe a month in advance.

I’m sceptical but if it’s true it shows we’re making waves in the right direction.

Posted
3 hours ago, Forester said:

Just a different take on things, but how many Saints fans would be happy if the window shut tonight and we hadn’t sold a single extra player, but similarly hadn’t bought anybody more either?

My sense is that is that many fans would be unhappy, as we would have only bought two players.  But I think other clubs in the championship would be envious of what we have.

The reason I put this out is that it is perfectly possible that the Board are preparing for a scenario (even if it isn’t the most likely one) that they don’t see value in selling players BECAUSE they can’t get key replacement targets, for a wide range of reasons.  
 

I still think Edozie, Aribo and ABK will go, and probably Dibling, and if so wingers are needed in.  But I would be fine if nothing changed from where we are.  January window will be along sooner than we think.

Individual players " on paper ", happy.

Collective, progressive team, unhappy.

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I reckon we will end up compromising with Everton for Dibling. Clear after only loaning Ramsdale that we have banked on cash for either or both of Dibling and Fernandes.

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