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24 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

If I had to guess I'd say Downes and THB are genuinely injured and Dibling is off. 

Latter would suit the club if he isn’t signing a new contract as pure ‘profit’ under PSR.

Mind you, even just having typed that reminds me of why I feel distant from football at the top levels these days.

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Cant see a club right now (PL or European) paying the £45-50m that we're looking for Dibling. Even if he has an unbelievable season, its in the Championship and therefore his value wont go up by much. He needs to start focusing on being a big player for us this season.

Ramsdale and Fernandes on the other hand, I would be shocked if they're still here come the end of the window. So that we're not scrambling around at the 11th hour, the club should tell their agents that if nothing is done two weeks before the deadline, they're not going anywhere

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10 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

Cant see a club right now (PL or European) paying the £45-50m that we're looking for Dibling. Even if he has an unbelievable season, its in the Championship and therefore his value wont go up by much. He needs to start focusing on being a big player for us this season.

Ramsdale and Fernandes on the other hand, I would be shocked if they're still here come the end of the window. So that we're not scrambling around at the 11th hour, the club should tell their agents that if nothing is done two weeks before the deadline, they're not going anywhere

I reckon he'll go for 30 with addons near the end of the window. 

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53 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

Cant see a club right now (PL or European) paying the £45-50m that we're looking for Dibling. Even if he has an unbelievable season, its in the Championship and therefore his value wont go up by much. He needs to start focusing on being a big player for us this season.

Ramsdale and Fernandes on the other hand, I would be shocked if they're still here come the end of the window. So that we're not scrambling around at the 11th hour, the club should tell their agents that if nothing is done two weeks before the deadline, they're not going anywhere

Exactly right.  The club have to be in control of the situation.

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31 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Exactly right.  The club have to be in control of the situation.

Tyler would do well to remember Saints welcoming him back, when he sacked us off for Chelsea

Hopefully he and his parents will have learnt from those mistakes and recognise a season in the championship is his best option, rather than moving again with little chance of game time

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2 minutes ago, Saint Scott said:

Tyler would do well to remember Saints welcoming him back, when he sacked us off for Chelsea

Hopefully he and his parents will have learnt from those mistakes and recognise a season in the championship is his best option, rather than moving again with little chance of game time

A best option for a player is always to be playing every week even more so to play in a team that hopefully should be at the top of the table that wins more than half our games 

being a squad player in a big club getting the odd 10 minutes here and there and playing in the league cup doesn’t do any one any favours especially not the player and I wonder why if it’s the reason so many of these young superstars never quite fulfil their potential. Two- three years of barely playing is a long time when you’re 18-20 and in your prime breakthrough years 

the counter argument is it’s a short career and a move like that might never happen again. Guess it depends on if they want to play or want to earn. 

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14 minutes ago, Turkish said:

A best option for a player is always to be playing every week even more so to play in a team that hopefully should be at the top of the table that wins more than half our games 

being a squad player in a big club getting the odd 10 minutes here and there and playing in the league cup doesn’t do any one any favours especially not the player and I wonder why if it’s the reason so many of these young superstars never quite fulfil their potential. Two- three years of barely playing is a long time when you’re 18-20 and in your prime breakthrough years 

the counter argument is it’s a short career and a move like that might never happen again. Guess it depends on if they want to play or want to earn. 

Ask Dewsbury-Hall

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The more pressing issue is getting players out. We need to get the squad size down otherwise players are going to be on the books and training with the u21’s

Sadly the rumours of outgoings is very quiet currently, but we have too many left backs, centre backs and attackers currently so until some leave we can’t fill the areas we are short in

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14 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

 

Can’t see anyone paying that with his record over the last few years. Perhaps’rising to ‘ .

How long has he left of his contract ? At this rate he’ll slink away at the end of it and we’ll get nothing for him. 

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2 minutes ago, Badger said:

Can’t see anyone paying that with his record over the last few years. Perhaps’rising to ‘ .

How long has he left of his contract ? At this rate he’ll slink away at the end of it and we’ll get nothing for him. 

I agree. Drop the price and sell him. We have far too many centre backs.

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1 minute ago, lambtiss said:

I agree. Drop the price and sell him. We have far too many centre backs.

Just seen the contracts thread, ends 2026. Get rid  with a decent sell on % in case he starts living up to the potential we hoped he had.

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Posted
1 minute ago, CB Fry said:

Oh I do hope that we sign another child.

Can’t see him and Downs needed. One will be Goztepe bound 

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6 minutes ago, Badger said:

Can’t see anyone paying that with his record over the last few years. Perhaps’rising to ‘ .

How long has he left of his contract ? At this rate he’ll slink away at the end of it and we’ll get nothing for him. 

He's going into his final year. If we paid 10 million euros, anything over 2.5 would be an accounting profit, and we'd shift those wages.

He's not worth much to us, based on his lack of inclusion. But is worth more than 2.5 to another club, so hopefully this is just negotiations. 

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I can only guess it’s a classic “start at an outrageous price, then a rip-off is a good deal”. I reckon he goes for 6m.

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That this €10m figure has been outed by Hamburg is a good sign. 
IF he ever comes good he might be a €50m+ world class CB. A 20% sell on clause when we unload him for not very much could be a result for both sides. A deal to be made I reckon. 

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1 hour ago, goodymatt said:

 

Interesting test of the theory that "SR are good sellers" proported by several posters on here.

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Posted
1 hour ago, goodymatt said:

 

With his heart condition a factor, he’ll need his agent to revise his salary demands otherwise he’ll go next year for free, but be lucky to get a job outside of the lower leagues. His reputation as they say will precede him. 

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ABK was a classic 'good buy' that just didn't work out. I had high hopes, and initially he looked the business. injury and attitude put pay to that. Very different to panic buys like Carrilo.

However nobody but nobody is paying the wages he is on. There are plenty of decent CBs available, who are more robust and switched on.

Saints bought potential, but that has disappeared, as has his value.

They need to bite the bullet, sell him or loan him out. The whole soap opera around him is a distraction.

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13 minutes ago, macca155 said:

ABK was a classic 'good buy' that just didn't work out. I had high hopes, and initially he looked the business. injury and attitude put pay to that. Very different to panic buys like Carrilo.

However nobody but nobody is paying the wages he is on. There are plenty of decent CBs available, who are more robust and switched on.

Saints bought potential, but that has disappeared, as has his value.

They need to bite the bullet, sell him or loan him out. The whole soap opera around him is a distraction.

As someone who was in the 2022 German World Cup squad you’d hope that with another one next year he’d want to be in the shop window again making an impression for the  outside (and at the moment  extremely unlikely) prospect of a recall. Where better than the Bundesliga for that ?

Have to wonder if that ambition outweighs the relatively  easy life sitting on his arse not playing for another year with us, but in a higher £ for the next 12 months. 

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Pointless loaning him out as his contract is up next summer.

Its still very early stages of the window, almost everything happens in the last two weeks of August and I have no doubt that will be the same here.

ABK has shown that when fully fit and focused he is a good player - enough to be selected for a Germany tournament squad. Im sure a club over there will take him on the right deal.

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2 hours ago, Badger said:

Can’t see anyone paying that with his record over the last few years. Perhaps’rising to ‘ .

How long has he left of his contract ? At this rate he’ll slink away at the end of it and we’ll get nothing for him. 

 

1 hour ago, Badger said:

Just seen the contracts thread, ends 2026. Get rid  with a decent sell on % in case he starts living up to the potential we hoped he had.

I understand that we do have an option to extend his contract by another year. Not sure we should take up that option, unless we were to arrange a loan with wages covered and hope his stock rises to sell next summer. Having tried that with PSV and his stock actually drop, I’d just get what we can and move on.

Posted
31 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Pointless loaning him out as his contract is up next summer.

Its still very early stages of the window, almost everything happens in the last two weeks of August and I have no doubt that will be the same here.

ABK has shown that when fully fit and focused he is a good player - enough to be selected for a Germany tournament squad. Im sure a club over there will take him on the right deal.

Obviously it'll never happen and tbh, I don't want it to either - he's burnt too many bridges with his attitude imo. 

However, can you imagine he decided to knuckle down and become a first team player again, whi didn't quit whenevr the going gets tough.. He and Quashie would be absolute monsters at this level - would suit Still's system to a tee. 

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11 hours ago, Saint Scott said:

Tyler would do well to remember Saints welcoming him back, when he sacked us off for Chelsea

Hopefully he and his parents will have learnt from those mistakes and recognise a season in the championship is his best option, rather than moving again with little chance of game time

I wonder if he'll get a transfer but be loaned back to us for a season.

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It's all well and good playing hardball for a good fee, but you also need to know when to cut your losses and just get rid. 

ABK is a classic example; barely played in 3 years, attitude stinks, manager after manager want nothing to do with him. 

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35 minutes ago, SaintNewForest said:

It's all well and good playing hardball for a good fee, but you also need to know when to cut your losses and just get rid. 

To clarify, according to Hamburger Mogenpost website, HSV are not looking to buy ABK for any fee, they only want to loan him...and they can only afford him (his wages) if there is no fee. 

 

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Hamer, Rudoni or Azaz. One of those at #10 please. All wanted by EPL clubs apparently but we all know that not all will get the transfer. The one that doesn’t is our guy. Saints are a better bet for going up than Sheffield Utd, Coventry and Boro - in my eyes anyway. All know what to do in the championship to score or assist. 

My how to do it guide - offer any of  BBD, SE , BK and JA in part exchange plus cash or even one of our spare defenders and they might bite. Or sell them quick and cheap and spend the ££ on one of those #10’s instead.
 

Preferably Hamer of course but he is most likely to be playing EPL anyways so it’s more likely Azaz Rudoni or that Watford Georgian name sounding guy  ( Chakakanvatdze?) instead. But we do need a creative MF attacker -especially as both MG and TD are in demand apparently. If we start with RF as our #10 ( as trialled in friendly) much as I love the wee man it’s not really good enough is it..

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10 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

ABK is a fucking bottle job.  Goes missing when he’s up against it.

Wouldn’t pay the wanker in shirt buttons.  

Do you write for the Daily Star?

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17 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

My how to do it guide - offer any of  BBD, SE , BK and JA in part exchange plus cash or even one of our spare defenders and they might bite. 

The guide has an issue, as Coventry can not afford to match the wages we pay players.

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Posted
38 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Hamer, Rudoni or Azaz. One of those at #10 please. All wanted by EPL clubs apparently but we all know that not all will get the transfer. The one that doesn’t is our guy. Saints are a better bet for going up than Sheffield Utd, Coventry and Boro - in my eyes anyway. All know what to do in the championship to score or assist. 

My how to do it guide - offer any of  BBD, SE , BK and JA in part exchange plus cash or even one of our spare defenders and they might bite. Or sell them quick and cheap and spend the ££ on one of those #10’s instead.
 

Preferably Hamer of course but he is most likely to be playing EPL anyways so it’s more likely Azaz Rudoni or that Watford Georgian name sounding guy  ( Chakakanvatdze?) instead. But we do need a creative MF attacker -especially as both MG and TD are in demand apparently. If we start with RF as our #10 ( as trialled in friendly) much as I love the wee man it’s not really good enough is it..

Great post.  To be fair, I would swap BBD, SE and BK in part-exchange for Gary Onion.

Posted
59 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

ABK is a fucking bottle job.  Goes missing when he’s up against it.

Wouldn’t pay the wanker in shirt buttons.  

This is going to be a very good season.

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14 hours ago, Turkish said:

The counter argument is it’s a short career and a move like that might never happen again. Guess it depends on if they want to play or want to earn. 

The earning bit usually comes to the fore because the agent/family agent see their commission coming in to view. 

Posted (edited)
6 hours ago, goodymatt said:

 

The club have a really odd view around valuing players like him. They are never going to have a future here and never play (and haven't played proper football for a year), but we are still demanding valuations in order make almost all our money back from the original transfer. It's daft.

We had the same approach with Hoedt and Carillo, we had clubs interested but kept trying to ask for a fee within the margin of what we paid for them previously. No clubs were interested, obviously - and in the end we lost them for free the following year, or in the case of Hoedt (or Carillo) we had to actually pay him off.

Just take 4-5mill, call it a day. Or alternatively we can drag our feet demanding an unrealistic fee, and end up with another years wage wasted, a player hanging around for 6 months who doesn't want to be here, and a much lower value player next summer anyway. I know what makes sense to me.

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11 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

The club have a really odd view around valuing players like him. They are never going to have a future here and never play (and haven't played proper football for a year), but we are still demanding valuations in order make almost all our money back from the original transfer. It's daft.

We had the same approach with Hoedt and Carillo, we had clubs interested but kept trying to ask for a fee within the margin of what we paid for them previously. No clubs were interested, obviously - and in the end we lost them for free the following year, or in the case of Hoedt (or Carillo) we had to actually pay him off.

Just take 4-5mill, call it a day. Or alternatively we can drag our feet demanding an unrealistic fee, and end up with another years wage wasted, a player hanging around for 6 months who doesn't want to be here, and a much lower value player next summer anyway. I know what makes sense to me.

I'd take that report with a pinch of salt.  

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Posted
15 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

I'd take that report with a pinch of salt.  

I hope so, otherwise it means Spors is as big a mug as Reed, Semmens and Ankerson, which I didn’t think was possible. 

Posted
9 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Sounds like Newcastle are in the market for a keeper. Could Ramsdale go there? 

What’s happening with Pope? Ramsdale not really an improvement on him so would be surprised 

Posted
Just now, Turkish said:

What’s happening with Pope? Ramsdale not really an improvement on him so would be surprised 

They wanted Trafford apparently. Is Ramsdale miles worse than him? Maybe he has greater potential. 

Posted
8 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

I hope so, otherwise it means Spors is as big a mug as Reed, Semmens and Ankerson, which I didn’t think was possible. 

Seems like Hamburg only want a loan so that's probably where the issue lies.  Club are clearly desperate to get rid of him and what with his heart issue last summer and going into a potential last season of his contract then I would imagine we'd be realistic on any fee we could hope to bring in.  Wouldn't be surprised if his wage demands were more likely to scupper any deal rather than the fee we're asking for.

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