Will Still

[saintant]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

He has a squad most clubs would kill for in this league.

Apart from the fact that he has a squad with no spine - so a very limited choice of goalkeeper, centre back and centre forward. That's a pretty integral part of any side harbouring ambitions to be among the front runners in their league.

[Sir Ralph]

6 minutes ago, saintant said:

Apart from the fact that he has a squad with no spine - so a very limited choice of goalkeeper, centre back and centre forward. That's a pretty integral part of any side harbouring ambitions to be among the front runners in their league.

Agree on keeper and No 9 but he has a very good midfield and centre backs.

[egg]

4 minutes ago, saintant said:

Apart from the fact that he has a squad with no spine - so a very limited choice of goalkeeper, centre back and centre forward. That's a pretty integral part of any side harbouring ambitions to be among the front runners in their league.

Most clubs in this league would play THB, Edwards and arguably Stephens. Wood is also very well proven at this level. It's down to the manager how he coaches and sets them up. 

Charles would walk into any team in this league. A properly used and motivated Downes, ditto. The new lad looks decent. See comments above. 

GK. Hmm, but McCarthy is doing well enough. 

CF. Yep, we're properly shite there. 

[saintant]

18 minutes ago, egg said:

Most clubs in this league would play THB, Edwards and arguably Stephens. Wood is also very well proven at this level. It's down to the manager how he coaches and sets them up. 

Charles would walk into any team in this league. A properly used and motivated Downes, ditto. The new lad looks decent. See comments above. 

GK. Hmm, but McCarthy is doing well enough. 

CF. Yep, we're properly shite there. 

It's all about opinions and my view is that we don't have anything like a strong enough spine. That's down to continual poor recruitment. 

[pimpin4rizeal]

Nothing against will personally but it’s a cheap excuse to bring last seasons form into it .. majority of the players losing week in week out are not even here anymore 

[StrangelyBrown]

7 hours ago, saintant said:

It's all about opinions and my view is that we don't have anything like a strong enough spine. That's down to continual poor recruitment. 

Agreed with this and also we don't have a leader - we need someone that looks after all the young players and lifts them when things don't go our way. Still alluded to the problem in the presser yesterday.

[StrangelyBrown]

8 hours ago, saintant said:

It's all about opinions and my view is that we don't have anything like a strong enough spine. That's down to continual poor recruitment. 

Maybe it comes from the staff rather than the players? For example, I'm not sure Lallana and Carl Martin should still here after last year.

[Katalinic]

8 minutes ago, StrangelyBrown said:

Agreed with this and also we don't have a leader - we need someone that looks after all the young players and lifts them when things don't go our way. Still alluded to the problem in the presser yesterday.

Our transfer policy is built on an obsession around re-sale value rather than a blend of buying young players for future development and the experience needed for the now.

Edited Friday at 06:20 by Katalinic

[StrangelyBrown]

35 minutes ago, Katalinic said:

Our transfer policy is built on an obsession around re-sale value rather than a blend of buying young players for future development and the experience needed for the now.

On that basis you'd think that they'd recognise that putting the "assets" into the best environment to thrive would help maximise value...

The vision (growth through selling talent) is ok but the strategy and execution is massively flawed.

[Miltonaggro]

58 minutes ago, StrangelyBrown said:

Maybe it comes from the staff rather than the players? For example, I'm not sure Lallana and Carl Martin should still here after last year.

100% agree. Daft decision. 

[tdmickey3]

As much as I want it to work out for Still, sadly I don't think that it will, something is not quite right.

I think we will be looking for a new head coach/manager again!!

The timing of the new appointment is the question...

[Miltonaggro]

32 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

As much as I want it to work out for Still, sadly I don't think that it will, something is not quite right.

I think we will be looking for a new head coach/manager again!!

The timing of the new appointment is the question...

Think it’s likely that this is already underway. Even with our inept Board.

[Mr X]

Not sure still is going to turn things around if I'm honest.. Comes across ok and maybe a decent coach in time but isn't what we need right now and I've seen nothing so far that he is capable if gelling a team together... Looks a bit lost.. Think the next 5 games are crucial as to whether he has a future at the club! 

Which begs the question why are SR so awful at managerial recruitment? Surely it's getting embarrassing for them now and an untenable situation! 

Edited Friday at 08:26 by Mr X

[saintant]

1 hour ago, tdmickey3 said:

As much as I want it to work out for Still, sadly I don't think that it will, something is not quite right.

I think we will be looking for a new head coach/manager again!!

The timing of the new appointment is the question...

Unless we fall in or close to the relegation spots and stay there I think Will Still is here for the rest of the season. Obviously we all want to see a big improvement in results and performances but I believe SR will give him a reasonable amount of time. He is hampered by poor recruitment not least the fact that he has no recognised centre forward which limits his tactics. We need to buy a decent centre forward early in the January window but options of who will be available are always limited plus I have zero confidence in our recruitment team especially after the signing of Downs.

[Mr X]

26 minutes ago, saintant said:

Unless we fall in or close to the relegation spots and stay there I think Will Still is here for the rest of the season. Obviously we all want to see a big improvement in results and performances but I believe SR will give him a reasonable amount of time. He is hampered by poor recruitment not least the fact that he has no recognised centre forward which limits his tactics. We need to buy a decent centre forward early in the January window but options of who will be available are always limited plus I have zero confidence in our recruitment team especially after the signing of Downs.

So we are doomed basically 😂 avoiding relegation will be deemed a success this season 

[saintant]

4 minutes ago, Mr X said:

So we are doomed basically 😂 avoiding relegation will be deemed a success this season 

I didn't say that 🙂

[Saint Fan CaM]

26 minutes ago, saintant said:

Unless we fall in or close to the relegation spots and stay there I think Will Still is here for the rest of the season. Obviously we all want to see a big improvement in results and performances but I believe SR will give him a reasonable amount of time. He is hampered by poor recruitment not least the fact that he has no recognised centre forward which limits his tactics. We need to buy a decent centre forward early in the January window but options of who will be available are always limited plus I have zero confidence in our recruitment team especially after the signing of Downs.

This maybe be correct. Thing is you get another manager and typically he’ll say he needs 6 new players and will drop X number of players because they can’t play his style. And on it goes - bloated, poorly performing squad that’s not getting results because they don’t suit or don’t get the system they’re being asked to play. SR are floundering and the easiest option right now is stick and hope it falls into place.

[Badger]

1 hour ago, Mr X said:

So we are doomed basically 😂 avoiding relegation will be deemed a success this season 

At the end of the season we’ll ask “How much did we spend to avoid relegation from the Championship?”

[Wade Garrett]

13 hours ago, saintant said:

Apart from the fact that he has a squad with no spine - so a very limited choice of goalkeeper, centre back and centre forward. That's a pretty integral part of any side harbouring ambitions to be among the front runners in their league.

Haven’t seen many centre-backs better than Wood this season.  McCarthy has been decent as well apart from his one brainfart.

[Wade Garrett]

4 hours ago, Katalinic said:

Our transfer policy is built on an obsession around re-sale value rather than a blend of buying young players for future development and the experience needed for the now.

Nutshell.

[benjii]

18 hours ago, saintant said:

Apart from the fact that he has a squad with no spine - so a very limited choice of goalkeeper, centre back and centre forward. That's a pretty integral part of any side harbouring ambitions to be among the front runners in their league.

Come off it.

You don't think other teams would want THB (promoted twice, England International), Edwards (E U21, QPR player of season), Stephens (loads of Prem matches)?

Even McCarthy is a decent Champ keeper. 

[benjii]

9 hours ago, StrangelyBrown said:

Agreed with this and also we don't have a leader - we need someone that looks after all the young players and lifts them when things don't go our way. Still alluded to the problem in the presser yesterday.

Well fucking get one signed then, instead of Finn Acrap.

Edited Friday at 16:01 by benjii

[Weston Super Saint]

Maybe the tactical genius was actually from the brothers and we got the wrong Still?

[die Mannyschaft]

You can't buy the Championship title these day!!

[Turkish]

20 hours ago, egg said:

Most clubs in this league would play THB, Edwards and arguably Stephens. Wood is also very well proven at this level. It's down to the manager how he coaches and sets them up. 

Charles would walk into any team in this league. A properly used and motivated Downes, ditto. The new lad looks decent. See comments above. 

GK. Hmm, but McCarthy is doing well enough. 

CF. Yep, we're properly shite there. 

Are we though? Armstrong and Archer are proven goal scorers at this level, Downs simply can’t be as bad as he’s showing. Whilst neither Archer Armstrong are a proper centre forward they both know where the goal is at this level, its the managers job to find a way to get them in

we’ve also just signed two of the best attacking players from the current league we’re in and another from Germany and seem to have no idea where to play them

seems to me this transfer window we’ve had another one of collecting players without any thought as to how we’re going to play them. Surely we weren’t relying on Stewart as the one to build it all round?

[egg]

53 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Are we though? Armstrong and Archer are proven goal scorers at this level, Downs simply can’t be as bad as he’s showing. Whilst neither Archer Armstrong are a proper centre forward they both know where the goal is at this level, its the managers job to find a way to get them in

we’ve also just signed two of the best attacking players from the current league we’re in and another from Germany and seem to have no idea where to play them

seems to me this transfer window we’ve had another one of collecting players without any thought as to how we’re going to play them. Surely we weren’t relying on Stewart as the one to build it all round?

I don't disagree that there's goals in our squad, but our only fit centre forward is Downs. AA and Archer are decent attacking players, but neither are centre forwards as such. 

Fellows and Scienza games are based on balls into the box. Without a CF Still needs to be creative - I recall a couple of games under Nicholl when he didn't have a fit CF so played 3 wingers up front and seemed to leave them to do what they wanted.

But yep, the manager has got to work better with what he's got and make it work. Archer, AA, and the wingers, set up and coached properly, will be a threat. 

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, egg said:

I don't disagree that there's goals in our squad, but our only fit centre forward is Downs. AA and Archer are decent attacking players, but neither are centre forwards as such. 

Fellows and Scienza games are based on balls into the box. Without a CF Still needs to be creative - I recall a couple of games under Nicholl when he didn't have a fit CF so played 3 wingers up front and seemed to leave them to do what they wanted.

But yep, the manager has got to work better with what he's got and make it work. Archer, AA, and the wingers, set up and coached properly, will be a threat. 

Even the clown that is Russell Martin got us scoring with Adams and Armstrong neither of which were traditional CFs

we’ve signed two wingers and a player maker and appear to have gambled on Stewart staying fit with downs as back up 

[Eagle778]

Am I the only one who can’t Still’s pressers? Seems like an absolute dinosaur and so uninspiring. Wonder what players must think of him…

[Badger]

4 hours ago, Eagle778 said:

Am I the only one who can’t Still’s pressers? Seems like an absolute dinosaur and so uninspiring. Wonder what players must think of him…

I’ve given up watching them. But he was dynamic and convincing enough for Spors and co to offer him the job. Which is alarming in itself.

Anyway, his press conferences and media skills are irrelevant. Let’s judge him on results…. 

[Willo of Whiteley]

I’m hoping he picks the team today based on their natural positions and not to be edgy and catch them off guard, eg Fellows at RWB, Fraser at LWB etc.

He needs a win today if he wants to be taken seriously.

[Willo of Whiteley]

Sorry Will Still, this isn’t Football Manager, you can’t scum save a win out of this.

[Saint NL]

He must be under pressure now surely. 

 

[aintforever]

How long are we going to put up with this complete fraud.

[Football Special]

Got to go 

Sports Republic need to start receiving some proper abuse as well , should be scared to show their faces at St Mary’s 

[sockeye]

Change the manager, sure, but the coaching setup and players will still be there.

It doesn't seem like anything other than a waste of money to me.

[AlexLaw76]

Terrible manager

[washsaint]

What an utterly uninspiring manager Still is - and his tactics and subs are absolutely appalling  COward of a manager playing 3 at the back at home against a mediocre side.

Our push for promotion is almost over already.  SImply not good enough and to be left with a strike force of Stewart, ARcher, DOwns and Armstrong is criminal

[Gloucester Saint]

Time to go Will.

[Matthew Le God]

He's not the messiah...

[Colinjb]

Frankly, give any manager these f**king strikers and they would struggle. We are paying for years of shit recruitment. 

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Colinjb said:

Frankly, give any manager these f**king strikers and they would struggle. We are paying for years of shit recruitment. 

Oddly Russell Martin did alright

[HKsaint]

Will Still will steal real steel wheels. 

[Maggie May]

How was that result Still’s fault? We would’ve won 4-0 if it wasn’t for our incompetent strike force and terrible errors in front of goal.

[Smirking_Saint]

I think he is being rightly criticised, this is a team he has expensively assembled and yet is now forced to play a formation that doesn’t suit his buys

We can point heavy fingers at SR of course for a striker purchase we have desperately needed for years but have paid a huge sum on what was potential, theres an element to me that says thats not Will’s fault, but Id assume he was happy with the strength of the squad following his comments

Today.. I had down as a must win, im not as annoyed as I think we did enough, but I do think he deserves to be firmly on watch and Im hugely dissapointed with his start considering his fanfare

[Willo of Whiteley]

Will Still needs to take inspiration from Russell Martin, be brave and set up with four at the back and an additional player up top for more than five minutes at the end of a game.

[Miltonaggro]

[bugenhagen]

16 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

He's not the messiah...

Hahaha... was thinking of posting the same 😄

[Football Special]

29 minutes ago, sockeye said:

Change the manager, sure, but the coaching setup and players will still be there.

It doesn't seem like anything other than a waste of money to me.

Yeah the propaganda (on here mostly) about how good our players are is over at least, regardless of manager I'm not having the bollocks about what a good squad we have any more 

[AlexLaw76]

Why I think Still is the primary problem (without Sports Republic giving the club away).

He has seemingly wasted pre-season, in both of preparations with system and patters of play, and use of players. That is clear given the changeover of the starting 11 in that time. Even the new lads are in/out from one game to the next.

It was said he needed at least 1 winger and a No.10. He got 2 wingers, one of which is proven top quality for this league, and a No.10 who was one of the best in that position last season. Now, they are either on the pitch in the wrong positions, or on the bench (because of the system)

Subs, fuck me. He just seems to throw all/nearly all attackers on, usually to try and win a game (obviously). How often have we been better (Wrexham?)...they just seem so disjointed and at times, more square pegs in round holes.

System. I know some of you are adamant the nothing is wrong with the set up, or at least nothing was wrong against Swasean, but I disagree. The 3/5 at the beck thing is crap. Surrenders midfield most of the time, sees our 'extra' man in defence - which is where our overload is, meaning our forwards are either stretched from the team, or at best up against the same number of defenders (if not outnumbered). With the midfield surrendered we are seem to play more 'long passes' (which is evident to anyone, right), or we lob balls into the ball to players not overly suited to that. We rarely make a defence face their own goal, meaning a defensive unit is in place and/or facing up to us. Over and Over and Over again.

Of course, he has not been helped by Downs being appalling (fucking joke of a player), but lets not pretend about 20 other clubs in this league would kill for £50m+ to be spent to go alongside Charles, Edwards, Armstrong Fraser, Downes, THB, Aribo, Edozie, et al...ffs, we even loaned out Bree who is barnstorming it at the moment. Even Whacky Russell Martin got loads of goals out of said players who can't hit a barn door......

We will go no where under Will Still. He may become a good manager one day, but not for us and not now. 

Edited 17 hours ago by AlexLaw76

[Osvaldorama]

Another fucking terrible gamble that has backfired spectacularly by SR the wankers.  
 

Absolutely clueless